Buy before the hit Opportunity @ low cost - Chris Ivory (1 Viewer)

[thehobbit]

Each year it seems someone comes out of the woodwork that is a rookie and it was not expected.

It would appear that Ivory could dominate this week's game against a weak run, he could position himself into the teams lead RB.

Like everything its about risk/reward opportunity. Ivory should be a cheap option to acquire. With last week coming into his first game he split carries with Betts.

The risk(outside talent perceptions) right now is the belief that Ivory is simply a fill in with an hampered Thomas.

But besides Thomas' YPC, what really compels NO to stick with Thomas(undrafted rookie free agent)? Thomas is on a 1 year contract, and if Ivory can prove the same worth, why give Thomas the opportunities for a large paycheck, when you can go with someone younger and under contract longer?

Additionally, should Thomas come back, Bush is still sidelined. Much of this says opportunity for Ivory to come out of nowhere and shock the fantasy world and be that next headline for the week ahead on fantasy sites.

Worse case is that he does nothing, Thomas comes back and he is valueless. However, you should not have had to paid much to obtain Ivory, and either keep him stash or let him go if waivers are more of interest.

Best case is he has a fantasy MVP week and turns heads and attention towards him skyrocketing his value and if it opens the door for takeover gives you a RB that is 22

 

[moleculo]

Each year it seems someone comes out of the woodwork that is a rookie and it was not expected.It would appear that Ivory could dominate this week's game against a weak run, he could position himself into the teams lead RB.Like everything its about risk/reward opportunity. Ivory should be a cheap option to acquire. With last week coming into his first game he split carries with Betts. The risk(outside talent perceptions) right now is the belief that Ivory is simply a fill in with an hampered Thomas.But besides Thomas' YPC, what really compels NO to stick with Thomas(undrafted rookie free agent)? Thomas is on a 1 year contract, and if Ivory can prove the same worth, why give Thomas the opportunities for a large paycheck, when you can go with someone younger and under contract longer?Additionally, should Thomas come back, Bush is still sidelined. Much of this says opportunity for Ivory to come out of nowhere and shock the fantasy world and be that next headline for the week ahead on fantasy sites.Worse case is that he does nothing, Thomas comes back and he is valueless. However, you should not have had to paid much to obtain Ivory, and either keep him stash or let him go if waivers are more of interest.Best case is he has a fantasy MVP week and turns heads and attention towards him skyrocketing his value and if it opens the door for takeover gives you a RB that is 22

What about Betts?

 

[ScottyDog]

Didn't he have is chance last week and somewhat disappoint?

Each year it seems someone comes out of the woodwork that is a rookie and it was not expected.It would appear that Ivory could dominate this week's game against a weak run, he could position himself into the teams lead RB.Like everything its about risk/reward opportunity. Ivory should be a cheap option to acquire. With last week coming into his first game he split carries with Betts. The risk(outside talent perceptions) right now is the belief that Ivory is simply a fill in with an hampered Thomas.But besides Thomas' YPC, what really compels NO to stick with Thomas(undrafted rookie free agent)? Thomas is on a 1 year contract, and if Ivory can prove the same worth, why give Thomas the opportunities for a large paycheck, when you can go with someone younger and under contract longer?Additionally, should Thomas come back, Bush is still sidelined. Much of this says opportunity for Ivory to come out of nowhere and shock the fantasy world and be that next headline for the week ahead on fantasy sites.Worse case is that he does nothing, Thomas comes back and he is valueless. However, you should not have had to paid much to obtain Ivory, and either keep him stash or let him go if waivers are more of interest.Best case is he has a fantasy MVP week and turns heads and attention towards him skyrocketing his value and if it opens the door for takeover gives you a RB that is 22

 

[flooredyas]

TWO weeks-2fumbles

 

[videoguy505]

You're a couple weeks late with this. He's already owned in many leagues.

 

[thehobbit]

What about Betts?

Great Point,Why not Betts?You could stash him, but he is more "capped" value at age 31 even IF Betts somehow finds the fountain of youth like LT and somehow becomes lead back from a breakout. His long-term value is capped. So for redrafts, it fair to attempt this route if you looking for value. But for long-term leagues his age would detour a lot of value.Additionally, we have history on Betts, and it relevant that in the fantasy world we as owners seem to pay much more for the unknown. The fact that Ivory is a rookie and the chance to be "right" before everyone else lusters that eye candy that fantasy owners crave.

 

[footballnerd]

I picked him up a couple of weeks ago in a redraft and thinking about dropping him. PT is coming back prob next week, and Bush says hes 2-3 wks away. He's not gonna replace those two.

 

[thehobbit]

You're a couple weeks late with this. He's already owned in many leagues.

Well, I am not late at all.(from owning him)However, as mentioned he did fumble twice, and he didnt have a rockout last week.Two reason an easy trade could be foreseeable to obtain him cheaply from a trade.Also, many owners thought Thomas would likely be back, the staff has been relatively quiet on Thomas as well leaving me to wonder how much of an issue Thomas may really have.Again, this is a low value player who has what should be a legitimate chance to break out, and noted that he didnt do it the first week. But than again, Best has 2 good weeks and 2 bad weeks, Mathews is splitting with Tolbert, yet I am sure our perceptions are that they will eventually pull through it.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

I stash everybody, just to be on the safe side, then cut everybody who doesn't produce right before our playoffs.

 

[Captain Hook]

Really? How many leagues is Ivory available in? (NOT ESPN or Yahoo leagues)

 

[thehobbit]

Really? How many leagues is Ivory available in? (NOT ESPN or Yahoo leagues)

Cant believe I am replying to this but since it's been mentioned twice.I think I was pretty clear in my OP that Ivory should not "cost" much indicating TRADE for him at a low cost. In most leagues I would suspect that he isn't available on waivers.

 

[Ignoratio Elenchi]

This thread is several weeks too late.

 

[MNTom]

Really? How many leagues is Ivory available in? (NOT ESPN or Yahoo leagues)

In CBS leagues, he is available in 67% of the leagues.

 

[SD Phootballers]

I'm actually struggling with this logic on this one ... I keep a few spots open on my roster for a lottery ticket each year given that my league has a lot of spots per team. Guys like Javon Ringer (disclaimer: I own CJ), Bernard Scott, and Donald Brown (less so, but still) currently hold those spaces on my roster. Not sure why Ivory would be superior for the lottery ticket spot to any of those guys. Each is the handcuff to a fantasy relevant offense, but these three each seem like they'd get more points if forced into a flex situation and more upside if their primary went down.

So unless it comes down to availability on the waiver wire (and in fact Ivory is still available on my wire), I'm not seeing the rationale for dropping those three to pick up Ivory. Anyone see that differently? (Take that as a 'Name Game' a la the ESPN fantasy podcast, not a wayward post from the AC forum).

 

[djmich]

But besides Thomas' YPC, what really compels NO to stick with Thomas(undrafted rookie free agent)?

um, because YPC is pretty important for running backs, and frankly NO doesn't care as much about next year as they do this year. Thomas isn't Chris Johnson, but he is a good player.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Betts is the back to own for this week, and until Thomas comes back from injury.

 

[BigJim®]

Didn't he have is chance last week and somewhat disappoint?

12 for 67 (5.6 YPC) is disappointing? Hopefully all my RBs disappoint.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

Our rosters are tight so it's not surprising that an RB who has never done anything is not on someone's roster. This is particularly true with all the RBBCs out there. Ivory is probably not a top48 RB (the most our league rosters at one time). Moreover, players not drafted in our league are not eligible to be kept the following season.

This is not just for this thread, but a general comment: people should keep in mind that not everyone plays with their settings. The amount of patronizing that goes on here is alarming, and childish.

 

[BigJim®]

Betts is the back to own for this week, and until Thomas comes back from injury.

Help me understand this. I would think Ivory is the guy to bet on since the Saints chose to keep Ivory over Betts at roster cut down, and Ivory was given basically even carries (12 vs 13) last week... in a dogfight game. Ivory ended up with better production (5.6 YPC vs. 3.6 YPC). I don't know why they wouldn't run Ivory a lot in a game they should be leading throughout. What sort of committment has this team shown Betts? They kept an undrafted rookie FA over him. Unless Ivory fumbles the job away I'd think they use every opportunity to play him.

 

[joffer]

Worse case is that he does nothing

 

[cubbie5150]

Betts is the back to own for this week, and until Thomas comes back from injury.

Help me understand this. I would think Ivory is the guy to bet on since the Saints chose to keep Ivory over Betts at roster cut down, and Ivory was given basically even carries (12 vs 13) last week... in a dogfight game. Ivory ended up with better production (5.6 YPC vs. 3.6 YPC). I don't know why they wouldn't run Ivory a lot in a game they should be leading throughout. What sort of committment has this team shown Betts? They kept an undrafted rookie FA over him. Unless Ivory fumbles the job away I'd think they use every opportunity to play him.

Betts would've been owed a guaranteed veterans' minimum if he was on the roster week 1...I think Ivory is a better runner than Betts @ the relative stages of their careers, but to the Saints, some things are just as important as a RB's ability to run the rock. Like pass protection & not fumbling. Disclaimer: I own Ivory & not Betts.

 

[TheArchitect]

Our rosters are tight so it's not surprising that an RB who has never done anything is not on someone's roster. This is particularly true with all the RBBCs out there. Ivory is probably not a top48 RB (the most our league rosters at one time). Moreover, players not drafted in our league are not eligible to be kept the following season.

This is not just for this thread, but a general comment: people should keep in mind that not everyone plays with their settings. The amount of patronizing that goes on here is alarming, and childish.

 

[BigJim®]

Betts would've been owed a guaranteed veterans' minimum if he was on the roster week 1...

Meh, the Saints were capable of re-signing Betts again September 10 under that loophole and they didn't. I wouldn't read too much into that angle. The bottom line is they went with Ivory over Betts and they obviously didn't bring Betts back when the rules allowed. He was cut and he was going to stay cut. They already showed they think enough of a rookie FA to let him split carries in a hard win, and he produced. I just have to think they'd develop the guy they preferred, particularly in lopsided wins.

 

[TheArchitect]

Betts is the back to own for this week, and until Thomas comes back from injury.

Help me understand this. I would think Ivory is the guy to bet on since the Saints chose to keep Ivory over Betts at roster cut down, and Ivory was given basically even carries (12 vs 13) last week... in a dogfight game. Ivory ended up with better production (5.6 YPC vs. 3.6 YPC). I don't know why they wouldn't run Ivory a lot in a game they should be leading throughout. What sort of committment has this team shown Betts? They kept an undrafted rookie FA over him. Unless Ivory fumbles the job away I'd think they use every opportunity to play him.

The Saints kept Ivory on the roster because, like most teams, they don't want to keep a veteran who will not dress on the opening day roster because once that player makes the team he is guaranteed his salary for the entire year, regardless if the team waives him, which then limits cap flexibility. LINK: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a1...al-53man-roster

Unlike FF, talent is not the only thing that goes into who's on the roster.

 

[TheArchitect]

Betts would've been owed a guaranteed veterans' minimum if he was on the roster week 1...

Meh, the Saints were capable of re-signing Betts again September 10 under that loophole and they didn't. I wouldn't read too much into that angle. The bottom line is they went with Ivory over Betts and they obviously didn't bring Betts back when the rules allowed. He was cut and he was going to stay cut. They already showed they think enough of a rookie FA to let him split carries in a hard win, and he produced. I just have to think they'd develop the guy they preferred, particularly in lopsided wins.

Sounds like the Saints kept the guy with more long-term value, and injuries set in before he fully developed his pass (and ball) protection skills... hence the signing of Betts to hold them over while Ivory continues to develop.Thinking that they may look for every opportunity to "develop" Ivory makes sense, but I still don't think it amounts to more than a 2-down role (+GL) in a blowout. The Saints can't afford to lose Brees... he's already wearing a brace... and they don't trust Ivory to pass protect (yet).I say Betts gets 67% of the touches in a close game... and Ivory gets 67% of the touches in a blowout... plus, I see Ivory getting the lion's share of GL work.All bets are off when Thomas comes back... although Ivory does have the skills to eventually pass Thomas on the depth chart, but not until he gets better at pp.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Betts is the back to own for this week, and until Thomas comes back from injury.

Help me understand this. I would think Ivory is the guy to bet on since the Saints chose to keep Ivory over Betts at roster cut down, and Ivory was given basically even carries (12 vs 13) last week... in a dogfight game. Ivory ended up with better production (5.6 YPC vs. 3.6 YPC). I don't know why they wouldn't run Ivory a lot in a game they should be leading throughout. What sort of committment has this team shown Betts? They kept an undrafted rookie FA over him. Unless Ivory fumbles the job away I'd think they use every opportunity to play him.

This is just it. Ivory has shown a propensity to fumble, and Betts never fumbles. Further, Betts is a much better pass blocker than Ivory. Ivory is certainly the more dynamic runner, but you said it yourself: the Saints should be able to win this game comfortably. The only thing that could lose it for them is turnovers and/or bad special teams play. A boring runner like Betts is preferable to a more dynamic guy with a history of putting the ball on the ground.If you read some comments by players and coaches after last weeks game, you'll see that they raved about Betts' pass protection and overall professionalism. He got nearly twice the snaps that Ivory did last week. I expect the disparity to increase this week, since Betts is a week more familiar with the system.

 

[Warrior]

Three reason Ivory won't be the guy this year that busts out.

1) Laddell Betts now

2) Pierre Thomas soon

3) Reggie Bush a few weeks down the line

No chance.

 

[TheArchitect]

Betts is the back to own for this week, and until Thomas comes back from injury.

Help me understand this. I would think Ivory is the guy to bet on since the Saints chose to keep Ivory over Betts at roster cut down, and Ivory was given basically even carries (12 vs 13) last week... in a dogfight game. Ivory ended up with better production (5.6 YPC vs. 3.6 YPC). I don't know why they wouldn't run Ivory a lot in a game they should be leading throughout. What sort of committment has this team shown Betts? They kept an undrafted rookie FA over him. Unless Ivory fumbles the job away I'd think they use every opportunity to play him.

This is just it. Ivory has shown a propensity to fumble, and Betts never fumbles. Further, Betts is a much better pass blocker than Ivory. Ivory is certainly the more dynamic runner, but you said it yourself: the Saints should be able to win this game comfortably. The only thing that could lose it for them is turnovers and/or bad special teams play. A boring runner like Betts is preferable to a more dynamic guy with a history of putting the ball on the ground.If you read some comments by players and coaches after last weeks game, you'll see that they raved about Betts' pass protection and overall professionalism. He got nearly twice the snaps that Ivory did last week. I expect the disparity to increase this week, since Betts is a week more familiar with the system.

They have one more thing to lose... their QB, if they can't pass protect! Betts definitely seems like the lower risk/reward option (i.e., higher floor/lower ceiling)... depends on what you need (a swing for the fences or not strike out).

 

[gandalas]

The Saints kept Ivory on the roster because, like most teams, they don't want to keep a veteran who will not dress on the opening day roster because once that player makes the team he is guaranteed his salary for the entire year, regardless if the team waives him, which then limits cap flexibility.

I understand your point, and agree with you in most years, but there is no Cap this season, hence no flexibility needed...

 

[BigJim®]

Like I said, if that was such a big consideration they could have re-signed Betts on September 10. Could have resigned him and cut Ivory to a practice sqaud, if they truly liked him over Ivory and it was all about the $.

Regardless, how two RBs produced last week is a heck of a lot more pertinent IMHO to projecting the future than some veteran salary consideration that may or may not have even mattered a month ago. Also to be clear my response was asking someone to explain a proclamation that Betts is the guy to own.

 

[LawFitz]

Ivory is still hobbling from the knee injury. And he fumbled twice recently. And his pass protection is sketchy. And while their carries were almost the same last week, the overall number of offensive plays that Betts was in was more than double that of Ivory.

Ivory seems like fools gold to me.

 

[Babu Bhatt2]

Like I said, if that was such a big consideration they could have re-signed Betts on September 10. Could have resigned him and cut Ivory to a practice sqaud, if they truly liked him over Ivory and it was all about the $. Regardless, how two RBs produced last week is a heck of a lot more pertinent IMHO to projecting the future than some veteran salary consideration that may or may not have even mattered a month ago. Also to be clear my response was asking someone to explain a proclamation that Betts is the guy to own.

There was no need to re-sign Betts on Sept 10 because at that point, both Thomas and Bush were healthy. I totally see why they kept Ivory ahead of Betts as a third RB. Ivory has more long-term potential. But when you're talking about who will start and be tasked with protecting your QB and the football, it is a different calculation. The fact that Ivory was kept over Betts in early September has no relevance to who will play more this weekend, IMO.

 

[Breesisdaman]

Ivory is too raw to be a breakout player. He is a project that may pan out for the Saints down the road but he still has obvious things he needs to work on. *cough* Ball Security *cough* however, that said, he is a better play than Betts if Ivory is 100%. He will do more with the opportunities he gets than Betts will his.

 

[cubbie5150]

Ivory is too raw to be a breakout player. He is a project that may pan out for the Saints down the road but he still has obvious things he needs to work on. *cough* Ball Security *cough* however, that said, he is a better play than Betts if Ivory is 100%. He will do more with the opportunities he gets than Betts will his.

Other than his fumbling, I've been pretty impressed with how he runs. He only gets the rock in obvious running situations, and w/ how he's deployed, it's gonna be clear to defenses that they're running when he's on the field.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Really? How many leagues is Ivory available in? (NOT ESPN or Yahoo leagues)

Cant believe I am replying to this but since it's been mentioned twice.I think I was pretty clear in my OP that Ivory should not "cost" much indicating TRADE for him at a low cost. In most leagues I would suspect that he isn't available on waivers.

What are some examples of what you would give up for Ivory?

 

[Joe Summer]

Ivory is a fumbler. There are better opportunity costs out there.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Each year it seems someone comes out of the woodwork that is a rookie and it was not expected.It would appear that Ivory could dominate this week's game against a weak run, he could position himself into the teams lead RB.Like everything its about risk/reward opportunity. Ivory should be a cheap option to acquire. With last week coming into his first game he split carries with Betts. The risk(outside talent perceptions) right now is the belief that Ivory is simply a fill in with an hampered Thomas.But besides Thomas' YPC, what really compels NO to stick with Thomas(undrafted rookie free agent)? Thomas is on a 1 year contract, and if Ivory can prove the same worth, why give Thomas the opportunities for a large paycheck, when you can go with someone younger and under contract longer?Additionally, should Thomas come back, Bush is still sidelined. Much of this says opportunity for Ivory to come out of nowhere and shock the fantasy world and be that next headline for the week ahead on fantasy sites.Worse case is that he does nothing, Thomas comes back and he is valueless. However, you should not have had to paid much to obtain Ivory, and either keep him stash or let him go if waivers are more of interest.Best case is he has a fantasy MVP week and turns heads and attention towards him skyrocketing his value and if it opens the door for takeover gives you a RB that is 22

This isn't *that* crazy.There are problems with the contract. The term thrown out during the season a lot was that Thomas wanted a "Steven jackson' contract. Probably not 100% true but it was pretty up there. Then again, getting hurt this season has probably not helped him taht regard.Now the Saints keep a lot of players because frankly they pull them out of small colleges, make guys' careers and they run a system in which their talents are put to maximum use.Not sure what the history on Saints' players leaving and going elsewhere and doing well. It USED to be that was the story on the Saints, they didn't know flip about talent, let great players go and they always did well elsewhere and often burned the Saints not anymore. Key people we've let go under Payton have been Stallworth, Wayne Gandy, Jamaal Brown, Scott Fujita. Fujita's a terrific player, but he won't make All-Pro in Cleveland, and he's probably a clear example of a guy who provided high value to the Saints but whom the team let go because he just got a higher contract elsewhere.The Saints have started drafting, in Patriots fashion, for the future. The Saints had no problems with center and tackle and yet they still drafted for those positions. Jamaal Brown's already gone for Charles Brown and Jonathan Goodwyn will end up moving on for Matt Tenant, maybe next year.You may be missing something about Pierre's value to the team: he's an awesome kick returner, and he's kind of an ace in the hole in that department. He's also a threat to score on screen passes anywhere from inside the 50. Pierre Thomas with his kick returning and scores off passing was pretty darn near to being the 'MVP not named Drew Brees' in last year's playoff & SB run. His value is more than YPC. He's also a helluva blocker and team leader.I did not see Ivory play one passing down last week. If he was in, it was almost always a run. That's not like Payton, he doesn't like to communicate what he's doing.Ivory's fumbling is not good either, this team lives off TO differential and they do not want to return to teh bad old days of 2007-08 where their TO's happened too frequently.In 2009, Payton/Loomis tried to trade up in the draft to get Beanie Wells. If you're speaking of dynasty: In 2011 even if Ivory does great this year Payton could try to trade up for a RB again, who knows. But the point is Payton and Loomis have probably had it in his mind to do a similar kind of youth for the future concept at RB that they have at other positions.I will tell you this much though: the Saints want and need a power running game. Bush & PT were not doing great before the injuries, and without that 3rd RB to close and take over games they have been sorely lacking. If Ivory plays well and stops fumbling and takes over the Cards game, I agree watch out. But with his blocking skills he will never see a large amount of playing time, except as someone else pointed out in blowouts. Heck I don't want him blocking for Brees any more than Payton does.But the guy has looked good. Everyone knows about the long TD catch and run vs the Chargers in preseason; he truly turned it on around the 50 and ran away from teh defensive backfield. I couldn't believe it. He also had at least two runs vs the Panthers where it looked like he would get breakaway runs, but he's still wild. I also saw him msis a couple gaping holes that I think PT and Bush would have taken advantage of.

 

[Steelfan7]

Ivory is a fumbler. There are better opportunity costs out there.

Yes because there is a huge sample to base this off of.

 

[Steelfan7]

Like I said, if that was such a big consideration they could have re-signed Betts on September 10. Could have resigned him and cut Ivory to a practice sqaud, if they truly liked him over Ivory and it was all about the $.

Regardless, how two RBs produced last week is a heck of a lot more pertinent IMHO to projecting the future than some veteran salary consideration that may or may not have even mattered a month ago. Also to be clear my response was asking someone to explain a proclamation that Betts is the guy to own.

There was no need to re-sign Betts on Sept 10 because at that point, both Thomas and Bush were healthy. I totally see why they kept Ivory ahead of Betts as a third RB. Ivory has more long-term potential. But when you're talking about who will start and be tasked with protecting your QB and the football, it is a different calculation. The fact that Ivory was kept over Betts in early September has no relevance to who will play more this weekend, IMO.

I know of no leagues that awards points for pass protecting a qb. Yes Betts might be in for more plays than Ivory, but a lot of those plays are non scoring opportunity plays.

 

[BoerumHill]

Ivory is a fumbler. There are better opportunity costs out there.

Yes because there is a huge sample to base this off of.

He has played two games in the NFL. In both, he has lost a fumble. How big of a sample size do you think the Saints coaching staff will require before they render a judgment?

 

[zamboni]

I don't see Ivory having much redraft value once PT and Bush come back, but his dynasty prospects are a bit intriguing.

I could be wrong, but didn't Thomas sign a one-year deal as an RFA this past offseason?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I don't see Ivory having much redraft value once PT and Bush come back, but his dynasty prospects are a bit intriguing.I could be wrong, but didn't Thomas sign a one-year deal as an RFA this past offseason?

Right.He held out for a bit this summer and he was asking for a ridiculous amount of money. Re-upped for one year.Don't be surprised if the Saints draft a RB this year.

 

[Road Warriors]

Like I said, if that was such a big consideration they could have re-signed Betts on September 10. Could have resigned him and cut Ivory to a practice sqaud, if they truly liked him over Ivory and it was all about the $.

Regardless, how two RBs produced last week is a heck of a lot more pertinent IMHO to projecting the future than some veteran salary consideration that may or may not have even mattered a month ago. Also to be clear my response was asking someone to explain a proclamation that Betts is the guy to own.

There was no need to re-sign Betts on Sept 10 because at that point, both Thomas and Bush were healthy. I totally see why they kept Ivory ahead of Betts as a third RB. Ivory has more long-term potential. But when you're talking about who will start and be tasked with protecting your QB and the football, it is a different calculation. The fact that Ivory was kept over Betts in early September has no relevance to who will play more this weekend, IMO.

I know of no leagues that awards points for pass protecting a qb. Yes Betts might be in for more plays than Ivory, but a lot of those plays are non scoring opportunity plays.

True, but most leagues I know of do award points for receiving yards. Betts being on the field in passing situations gives him more opportunities to score through the air. We only have a 1 game sample, but it broke down like this:Ivory: 12/67/0 0/0/0 ( 0 targets )

Betts: 13/47/0 4/23/0 ( 5 targets )

So Ivory outproduced him on the ground, but Betts outproduced Ivory overall ( by 3 yards, but you get the picture ) and more so ( FF-wise ) for PPR scoring.

I'd lean Ivory in non-PPR, but both will be viable options until PT & Bush return. I'd go Betts without question in PPR, as I expect he'll outscore Ivory regularly.

 

[atcdav]

I think Nance or Starks would fit this scenario better. GB passed on Lynch for whatever stupid reason. So they either think no running game is OK for this year, or they like what they see in Nance and more likely Starks and are biding their time. I think Nance's hangup has been pass protection and picking up the blitz. Ivory has seen time the last 2 games. He has also struggle to stay healthy. I dont see him displacing PT anytime this season

 

[emge]

I stash everybody, just to be on the safe side, then cut everybody who doesn't produce right before our playoffs.

that doesnt make sense... do you have 50 man rosters? and if you cut them before playoffs then who are u picking up?

 

[cantstop1999]

Just my hunch but I really think Ivory out scores Betts this week. It looks like it could be a blow out game and if so I believe they take the old man Betts out and let Ivory finish the game off ,also even though he has had 2 fumbles I still believe he will get the goalline. So Betts see's 10-15 touches, Ivory 15-20 ,maybe more with an early blow out ,I have Ivory at 80-100 and a score. Im starting him.

 

[BigJim®]

The fact that Ivory was kept over Betts in early September has no relevance to who will play more this weekend, IMO.

Would you agree Ivory outproducing Betts 5.6 YPC to 3.6 YPC last week has some relevance?

 

[CaptainHook]

But besides Thomas' YPC, what really compels NO to stick with Thomas(undrafted rookie free agent)?

hes good

 

[thehobbit]

I'm actually struggling with this logic on this one ... I keep a few spots open on my roster for a lottery ticket each year given that my league has a lot of spots per team. Guys like Javon Ringer (disclaimer: I own CJ), Bernard Scott, and Donald Brown (less so, but still) currently hold those spaces on my roster. Not sure why Ivory would be superior for the lottery ticket spot to any of those guys. Each is the handcuff to a fantasy relevant offense, but these three each seem like they'd get more points if forced into a flex situation and more upside if their primary went down.So unless it comes down to availability on the waiver wire (and in fact Ivory is still available on my wire), I'm not seeing the rationale for dropping those three to pick up Ivory. Anyone see that differently? (Take that as a 'Name Game' a la the ESPN fantasy podcast, not a wayward post from the AC forum).

Actually I like Ringer and Brown better than Ivory, however as far as Scott.Benson is averaging 20 carries a game, Scott has yet to amass 20 carries.Scott is also 26 which is an extra 4 years compared to IvoryIvory has a shared chance to shine this week. He may very well not. But isn't the point of having a backup to see what they do with a chance?Just curious, for you specifically if you dropped Scott, do you believe he would be snatched up, or could you actually pick up Ivory, and if you have a waiver wire that holds players till next week, just put in for Scott next week if Ivory does nothing.

 

[JD8p]

With the Steelers on a bye...I traded Ivory to the PT owner for the Bears D and was stoked.