footballgeek
Footballguy
Don't believe the hype. The Lions are obviously targeting Roy more to increase his trade value. I think he'll be Cowboy bound sometime before October 14.
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footballnerd
Footballguy
And being traded to the Cowboys is a bad thing?
PranksterJD
Footballguy
Did I miss news that the Lions would part with him for anything near that low?
AnonymousBob
Footballguy
Obviously?
CrossEyed
Footballguy
Millen is a fool....an unemployed fool.
no.. no miss.. reportedly the lions STILL want 2 First rounders.. I don't think ANY team offers more than ONE second for him...he's done nothing... he whines, and if traded, he could deliver.. the lions have nothing now... anything is better than what they'll have in a week...PranksterJD said:
i don't know the legals,... but he's a UFA, right? he could QUIT after the next game.. and just not collect pay for the rest of the year.. and not risk injury if he felt so inclined....
lay out a 4th, offer to move it up to a 3rd, four hours before the deadline... no reason to overpay...
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
Because garbage-time catches and a few drops are great?
What I took from yesterday's game was.
1) OK, you whined, we'll throw you the ball.
2) It didn't win us the game and you still managed to drop some and act like a tool on the sidelines.
3) Man up and be a pro.
What I took from yesterday's game was.
1) OK, you whined, we'll throw you the ball.
2) It didn't win us the game and you still managed to drop some and act like a tool on the sidelines.
3) Man up and be a pro.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
"Targeted" is being generous. The ball was flung vaguely towards him many times, though.
"But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca, is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell."Sorry, buddy, it was a nice run though
pantherclub
Footballguy
This is a great point. I cannot tell if Kitna is that bad, or if the line is that bad or a combo of both but between the erratic throws, the untimely sacks and the consistently dropped balls this once promising FF situation is now nothing more than rubble.
W1cked
Footballguy
Most of Roy's targets came with Orlovsky in the game. It seemed he was going out of his way to make Roy Williams happy. I'm sure the coaching staff will have something to say about that... especially if Orlovsky wants to be considered for the starting job. If he starts in week #6 it will only to keep the job warm for Stanton in the near future.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Jerry Jones is smart enough to know that if the Cowboys traded for a WR who is more than good enough to take touches away from Terrell Owens, who already thinks he is not getting the ball enough, that Owens could very well go bonkers and destroy that whole team's season.
Jackal King
Footballguy
How many teams even have two first round picks?
Bankerguy
Footballguy
Well, yes Jerry is smarter to think this a true worry.
identikit
Footballguy
Lots of them do....the years may very though
Uber
Footballguy
Huh? Which teams don't?
Fixed.
footballgeek
Footballguy
I never said it was. In a nutshell, although the Lions say that they want to keep Roy they are trying to pump up his value so he will bring a more valuable draft pick. IMHO, if Roy is traded to the Cowboys he will become the WR2 he's supposed to be.footballnerd said:
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
The problem with that is Roy believes he's a WR1, so whatever team may, or may not, add him as a WR2 is going to end up with the same Roy there currently is in Detroit.
Limp Ditka
Footballguy
If your theory is correct, there is a flip side. Roy is doing nothing to improve his trade value. He dropped at least 3 passes (one went pick 6) and acted like a child the entire game.
W1cked
Footballguy
Targeting him more to showcase him is fine... but that all sort of backfires when he is dropping passes and sulking on the sidelines sitting away from the rest of the offense. Lions want two first round picks, they would be very lucky to get one.
W1cked
Footballguy
Well in the offseason Roy talked up Calvin Johnson... claimed he didn't need to be "the" guy in the offense as he was one of three at Texas. He said he was going to take more of a leadership role with the Wrs. It's time to cut bait. He's not happy.... and his antics are getting old.
i think the BEST offer they get is a third rounder...
accepting is another all together...
there should be ZERO motivation for nearly everyone in the organization... no one is safe, and most know there is nothing they can do to save their jobs, and the players know they have no reason to risk injury, cause no one in the organization now should be there...
not a good a solution, but Ford Jr should be the interim GM, he's the only one active in the organization at that level, that will or SHOULD be involved with the team in January...
need skin in the game... name me anyone else,
accepting is another all together...
there should be ZERO motivation for nearly everyone in the organization... no one is safe, and most know there is nothing they can do to save their jobs, and the players know they have no reason to risk injury, cause no one in the organization now should be there...
not a good a solution, but Ford Jr should be the interim GM, he's the only one active in the organization at that level, that will or SHOULD be involved with the team in January...
need skin in the game... name me anyone else,
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Synthesizer
Footballguy
If you enjoy watching your players pout, throw their hands in the air, and show up the QB every chance they get, definitely trade for Roy.
Get as far away from Lions fantasy players as you can- there's only 1-2 games on the schedule you could make a solid argument for them winning and they have personnel questions at virtually every position. At this point, I'm just hoping for one decent game out of Megasuck so I can get anything out of my investment.
tribecalledjeff
Footballguy
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TitusIII
Footballguy
Could be, I guess we will simply let time answer this question...If he gets stuck in Detroit under the current system/staff, then the over-rated label will stick. If he replaces TO in Dallas, I doubt it will.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Roy Williams is terrible!! He droped 5 passes yesterday. Between Roy & Chad they are the two most OVERATED WR's that I can remember, ever!
footballgeek
Footballguy
Roy just needs a change of scenery. There are times when he has just been amazing, but now its really wearing on him and he wants to go home to Texas...If he is traded to the Cowboys, I would expect big things to come
JohnnyTitan
Footballguy
I remember Moss pouting and dropping balls in Oakland. It's funny what a horrible franchise can do to a player. Not saying Roy will come back with someone else and break the TD Reception record - but I wouldn't be so quick to write him off.
twistd
Footballguy
My guess is that the Bears were doubling Johnson. I don't think this means much long term. The Lions are not going to alter a game plan to potentially showcase a receiver. They are in desperation mode. Marinelli may not be around next year. So I find it hard to believe that he is going to go along with doing something that makes it harder for them to win to possibly benefit the team next year. The Bears were doubling Johnson running deep routes and Williams was open underneath.footballgeek said:
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
The Eagles have done it for years.
twistd
Footballguy
Roy may whine some, but he is nowhere near the attention whore that Chad Johnson is.
W1cked
Footballguy
I would take Chad Johnson anyday over Roy Williams. I think most of Chad stuff is in good fun and that he is a emotional guy and wants to win. Roy Williams, I have never got the sense he has a strong desire to win or show alot emotion. His signaling for a first down after every first down catch (even when the Lions are down by 28+ points and he hasn't done nothing up until that point) is nothing but a "look at me and what I have done" move. In the past Chad has backed up some of the stuff he has said. Roy Williams has a long history of games where he claimed he was going to "go off" and didn't do a whole lot.
T Man
Footballguy
You had a nice dream, but There is no way ROY is traded for a 4th rounder.If the Lions simply let him walk at the end of the year, they will likely get a 3rd rounder in 2010. If they tag him at the end of the year, they can upgrade that for at worst a 3rd rounder. The problem with trading him now is that only the teams in the "hunt" would likely trade for him -- and that means a low round pick (either 1st or 2nd). The Lions need a WR injury to increase the trade value. I think ROY draws more compensation for the Lions if they wait. But if they want to trade him, my feeling as to potential trade partners:1. Titans -- but I don't know if they want to mess up their chemistry at 5-0 nor do I think they would part with a 1st or 2nd rounder. 2. 49ers -- This makes the most sense if Martz likes him (and I do not know if he does). He could likely step right in since he played in Martz's system for several years. The 49ers are close enough to being in the "hunt" and Nolan is on the hot seat so it may not even be his pick.3. Raiders -- Al Davis is a nut, and he likes big, fast WRs. Others to consider are the Bears (but Lions wouldn't trade witihin division), Cowboys (although Jones may like the talented WR, adding him would be mistake), Redskins (Snyder likes pricey players, but he has restrained so far and not really a need).noneother said:
Cenobite
Footballguy
Add in Braylon and you have my WR corps.
Thanks very much. Roy has been better than what he has shown so far. He is 26 years of age and he seems to be regressing.
valhallan
Footballguy
Yeah I was just reading this thread wondering why no one had mentioned Seattle. They still have a shot in that putird NFC West and a healthy NFL-caliber WR could really help turn that ship around.Tell Holmgren to get off his heiny then
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jerseys finest
Footballguy
You would think with the eagles recent struggles in the redzone and practically giving the last two games away to the skins/bears, they'd be almost desperate to take a chance and bring in RoyWil to try and cure their redzone defficeincies(main reason they lost those games to chi/was). Especially with the recent news of westy's broken rib, being in last place and having whats looking like a low first round pick from the panthers. I doubt it happens, but its another possibility.Yeah I was just reading this thread wondering why no one had mentioned Seattle. They still have a shot in that putird NFC West and a healthy NFL-caliber WR could really help turn that ship around.Tell Holmgren to get off his heiny then
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Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Roy Willaims was thrown 18 times yesterday... He will never se that many targets again this year.. Trade him now!! He cant even get 100yds on ####### 18 targets.
edit to add.. the word that was filtered was f r i c k n ...lol
edit to add.. the word that was filtered was f r i c k n ...lol
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Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
Chad Johnson invented the "go off" predictions, only to fizzle. I don't ever recall Roy Williams claiming he's going to "go off". You couldn't be further from the truth.
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thecardiackid
Footballguy
Doubtful w/ the GM (Holmgren?) still getting abused for already wasting a 1st rounder for another over rated WR named Branch.Yeah I was just reading this thread wondering why no one had mentioned Seattle. They still have a shot in that putird NFC West and a healthy NFL-caliber WR could really help turn that ship around.Tell Holmgren to get off his heiny then
Hoss_Cartwright
Footballguy
I traded him last week in MOX1 for a 2009 1st rd pick.
