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broncofan13000
Footballguy
I wonder if this will influence Damian Williams to turn pro as well 
Doctor Detroit
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Good for us USC haters. With Bradford leaning towards coming back to OU, does this improve Sanchez's draft stock?
jeeb
Footballguy
Gotta be the 2nd QB off the board.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
If Bradford doesn't come out, Sanchez is the slamdunk #2 QB in this draft. He is a much better pro prospect than Freeman or Davis.
You don't think Sanchez will be a first rounder if he comes out? I think he's almost a lock to be picked in the first...
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T Bell
Footballguy
If he stayed a year he'd be a top 10 IMHO. He's got some nicely developing skills, especially throwing well on the run, that with some more seasoning could make him an elite prospect, rather than a merely good one.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
I agree that if he stays another yeah, he could go in the top 10...but my point is even if he comes out, he should still be going in the first round.
gianmarco
Footballguy
How does that make any sense? Another year in college helps someone's prospects as a pro more than turning pro helps someone's prospect as a pro? It may help his draft position, sure, but turning pro helps you become a better pro than staying in college helps you become a better pro.
EBF
Footballguy
Someone will take him in the 10-30 range based on potential alone.From a financial standpoint, it's not a bad decision, but from a football standpoint I think it's a mistake. He doesn't have much starting experience and would benefit from additional seasoning. Now he runs the risk of getting thrown into the fire by a bad organization.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
T Bell
Footballguy
Being a highly drafted (first day) QB carries with it special pressure and attention that you don't have in college, which is a more controlled environment. In the NFL, you need to be successful now. If you're not, coaches and GM's get fired, you get lambasted, etc. In addition, I don't get the impression that as much teaching is done in the NFL. It varies from team to team, but the assumption is that you're a professional and you need less instruction.
Finally, most rookies don't go into their first year as the presumed starter. That means that they don't get as many reps. They've already missed a bunch of the offseason time they could have used to work with teammates in the new system, which means that turning pro interrupts their ability to hone their skills by demanding that they now learn a new offense and players. Again, remaining in the college environment keeps things controlled and allows them to learn.
Just my $.02.
treat88
Footballguy
Link?Everything I've read indicates he is leaning towards declaring for the draft.
Doctor Detroit
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Link?
phthalatemagic
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
I respect your opinion but I just don't agree.First of all, staying an extra year in college means you come into the league yet another year older. I think it's a lot easier for an organization to not rush a younger player than one that is slightly older.
Secondly, we've seen how well some QBs can do by sitting on the bench and learning. One year actually playing at the college level doesn't replace one year of sitting at the pro level, reps or no reps. To me, I think of it like pre-algebra. It's a waste. You take all this time trying to teach the basics and watering it down. When you get to algebra, you go over all that stuff and much more in less time and can do just as well. Pre-algebra was nothing more than fluff. Sure, it's nice in theory and may have made things a little easier, but in actuality it really just wasted time. Now, I'm not saying college is a waste of time for these guys at all and many benefit, but someone that has 1st day and even 1st round potential is ready. Go there and start learning instead of practicing to start learning.
Finally, I disagree that pro teams don't teach. Now, I don't know this firsthand, but it's my impression that a team with a QB coach that is a professional job and that you do throughout the day is going to offer you more than any college program. I don't think the hours are even close but I may very well be wrong on that.
Domination
Footballguy
ESPN radio is reporting the Bradford is planning on staying, which in my opinion is the only reason that Sanchez should come out this year. Granted I think he would definitely benifit from staying another year, but for him personally, he would assure himself of a 1st rd pick. Whereas, if he comes back next year, I think he will improve. but he will have alot of compitition in Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, etc.
BTW, I think Mays is making a big mistake. He would have been a lock for the 1st rd and probably top 15. USC is losing 8 or 9 starters on defense and he will not have the supporting cast. He will be hard pressed to duplicate his numbers with a lesser sdefense.
BTW, I think Mays is making a big mistake. He would have been a lock for the 1st rd and probably top 15. USC is losing 8 or 9 starters on defense and he will not have the supporting cast. He will be hard pressed to duplicate his numbers with a lesser sdefense.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
IMO you have it backwards. This seems to be more of a football decision and less of a financial one. Everybody is saying that he'd improve his stock if he stayed and got the year of experience. What that would do is put him in the top 10, make him more money, and increase the odds that he's on a crappy team. If people don't see him as a top 10 QB this year, what are the next teams that need QBs? I think that would slide him into the mix for teams like NYJ, Chic, TB, and Min. I think that would be ideal for a rookie QB like Flacco/Ryan. Those teams have decent Ds, seem to be able to run the ball, etc... The earliest people seem to think he'd go would be to SF/Buff and even those might not be terrible landing spots. If I were him I'd hope that Bradford came out so that I wouldn't be drafted by Det or KC.
Incogneto
Footballguy
Name a QB that came out as a Jr. that ended up being a good pro?
lyon812
Footballguy
I have to strongly disagree with this. I'd say that it behooves many quarterbacks to sit on the bench and soak up knowledge. College establishes that you have the skills to play in the NFL. However, you hone that talent, you refine it, in the NFL.
ADP
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
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Actually that is just one source since the Tulsa link is just quoting the nationalfootballpost. I'd steer clear of that site when Bradford announces tomorrow he's coming back. :(
ADP
Footballguy
Never said I believe it. Just showing sites that are saying it.....as per requestActually that is just one source since the Tulsa link is just quoting the nationalfootballpost. I'd steer clear of that site when Bradford announces tomorrow he's coming back. :(
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Lots of places for him to land in the 10+ range ...
10. San Francisco
17. New York Jets
18. Chicago
19. Tampa Bay
20. Detroit (if they don't go QB with the #1)
22. Minnesota
10. San Francisco
17. New York Jets
18. Chicago
19. Tampa Bay
20. Detroit (if they don't go QB with the #1)
22. Minnesota
NoFBinLA
Moderator
I'm torn if this is true. I think Sanchez could learn in the NFL or in college but in college he will play - and in games. You can't substitute practice for game situations and he won't see a ton of those in the NFL (well assuming he goes in the back half of the first, which he should).
I think he has some holes in his game and is in a good (maybe great) situation at USC with a great returning offense that is only (right now, without him declaring) losing two players. He needs to learn to read his progressions a little better and make a few better decisions. He looked better as the season continued and looked great vs Penn state.
Which could be why he declares, if indeed he does. Momentum and buzz are very important in the Draft game. If It's him and Bradford, well he'll easily go #2 QB. The benefits could be large financially for him.
I dunno - I think it's a mistake (if he does - frankly I'm a tad dubious about what Wolf writes sometimes and nobody else seems to have this rumor) but he could sit on the bench for years ala Cassel and emerge later.
We'll see. I could see it go either way.
I think he has some holes in his game and is in a good (maybe great) situation at USC with a great returning offense that is only (right now, without him declaring) losing two players. He needs to learn to read his progressions a little better and make a few better decisions. He looked better as the season continued and looked great vs Penn state.
Which could be why he declares, if indeed he does. Momentum and buzz are very important in the Draft game. If It's him and Bradford, well he'll easily go #2 QB. The benefits could be large financially for him.
I dunno - I think it's a mistake (if he does - frankly I'm a tad dubious about what Wolf writes sometimes and nobody else seems to have this rumor) but he could sit on the bench for years ala Cassel and emerge later.
We'll see. I could see it go either way.
treat88
Footballguy
Didn't mean to start a discussion about Bradford.As per the previous poster, I too simply read that Bradford was leaning towards turning pro.Actually that is just one source since the Tulsa link is just quoting the nationalfootballpost. I'd steer clear of that site when Bradford announces tomorrow he's coming back.
I just wondered what other information you had. Sorry to bother you.
Wilbur Wood
Footballguy
Tough call.
I think that it is the right thing to come out now. Sanchez has been red shirted so he's been in college for 4 years. He has taken his game to the next level (although he has just arrived at this level) and I'm not sure that he would really "grow" much more at USC. He'd put up huge stats but he'd be playing most of his games with such a talent mismatch vs. his opponents that arguably could stagnate his growth as it will be "easy" for him to cruise along on the USC juggernaut. Certainly didn't do anything to enhance Matt Leinert's game hanging out and partying for a 5th year at USC 90210.
Going as mid to late 1st round pick could put him in an ideal situation as opposed to getting drafted by a door mat.
I think that it is the right thing to come out now. Sanchez has been red shirted so he's been in college for 4 years. He has taken his game to the next level (although he has just arrived at this level) and I'm not sure that he would really "grow" much more at USC. He'd put up huge stats but he'd be playing most of his games with such a talent mismatch vs. his opponents that arguably could stagnate his growth as it will be "easy" for him to cruise along on the USC juggernaut. Certainly didn't do anything to enhance Matt Leinert's game hanging out and partying for a 5th year at USC 90210.
Going as mid to late 1st round pick could put him in an ideal situation as opposed to getting drafted by a door mat.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
QB is a unique position with regard to declaring or being drafted. For the most part, QB is the one position where you are not expected to contribute immediately. If you are a first round pick, especially a high one, the expectation is that you should step right in as a starter (i.e; Vernon Gholston is now seen as football incometent).
For QB's, take a guy like Brian Brohm. After his junior season, he was considered a Top 10 level pick. But he goes back to college, which gives the scouts ample opportunity to pick apart his game for one more year, and even though you could argue that he had his best year as a senior, he slips to the end of Round 2. Well at the end of Round 2, you become a disposable asset, capable of being unseated for the back-up position by Matt Flynn.
Point is this, QB's are different from any other position when declaring because:
1) Only a select few teams will even consider drafting one in Round 1 from one year to the next. If demand is greater than supply though, you can't count on that condition existing the following year.
2) If the team has invested alot of money in you, they have to be patient with your development almost to a fault.
For QB's, take a guy like Brian Brohm. After his junior season, he was considered a Top 10 level pick. But he goes back to college, which gives the scouts ample opportunity to pick apart his game for one more year, and even though you could argue that he had his best year as a senior, he slips to the end of Round 2. Well at the end of Round 2, you become a disposable asset, capable of being unseated for the back-up position by Matt Flynn.
Point is this, QB's are different from any other position when declaring because:
1) Only a select few teams will even consider drafting one in Round 1 from one year to the next. If demand is greater than supply though, you can't count on that condition existing the following year.
2) If the team has invested alot of money in you, they have to be patient with your development almost to a fault.
Chase Stuart
Footballguy
I think it helps his development to come out now. He gets to learn a pro offense, spend time with a QB coach and devour a playbook. He can throw his whole life into it. In college, think how many hours he has to spend with classes and homework.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I think If Sanchez is in and Bradford is out that the QB pecking order will go:
Stafford
Nate Davis
Sanchez
Stafford
Nate Davis
Sanchez
gman74
Footballguy
Do you think you can edit this into English please? Roethlisburger was a had a year as a redshirt
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
One caution about the Penn State game: "Our" defensive secondary was brutal this season after losing King. The corners were very average, one safety, Rubin, was actually pretty bad minus the forced fumble on Pryor and the schemes weren't that great. The only reason they didn't look horrible most of the year was the pressure up front. When USC stopped that pressure, the defensive backfield was exposed. Not to say Sanchez isn't good or won't be good in the NFL. But I would caution taking away too much from that one game.
T Bell
Footballguy
Maybe that's why the WR's had a great game, but I saw a QB who was making accurate throws into small windows at various times, and doing so on the run. The Penn State CB's weren't falling down on every play at the snap.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
with the way things are going, I think going to KC is starting to become more attractive by the minute.......not just to college guys but free agents as well...........
NoFBinLA
Moderator
Yeah, I didn't touch on that but it's true. Penn State was exposed and he had a good game in part because of his oline - I was focusing more on the fact that regardless of why he had that game, he had momentum. But it's worth pointing out that the game wasn't just him tearing the Nittany Lions D up. they weren't as good as they had looked prior.
Blackjacks
Footballguy
If Sanchez comes out I don't see hi getting past the Lions second pick.
How good of a draft does Detroit have potential to end up with?
Stud left tackle with the 1.1
Franchise QB with the 1.20
Very good DE with 2.1
Alot of potential is there for this new regime.
I think Sanchez will be a better pro than Stafford or Bradford
How good of a draft does Detroit have potential to end up with?
Stud left tackle with the 1.1
Franchise QB with the 1.20
Very good DE with 2.1
Alot of potential is there for this new regime.
I think Sanchez will be a better pro than Stafford or Bradford
This would be a good point, except it's not.Tim Tebow is as important to this topic as Billy Ray Cyrus is to a good parenting discussion.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
How do you compare Sanchez to Leinart?
CalBear
Footballguy
More likely:Overrated QB with the 1.1Headcase WR with the 1.20LT with 2.1 who looks promising until breaks his leg in a preseason game.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
They are making some moves, but I don't see it as a quick turnaround team. 2-3 on a bad team can be murder on rookie Qbs - Carr, etc.. They are putting pieces in place to fix KC, but they don't seem to have enough talent on the team and the talent they have wants out - Gonzo, LJ, etc..
EBF
Footballguy
I don't have a great handle on QB scouting, so it's hard for me to get specific, but I can tell you that Sanchez is much more mobile than Leinart. He's not a runner, but USC did a lot of roll-out passes with him and he's mobile enough to avoid the pass rush. In this regard he's similar to someone like Jeff Garcia or Donovan McNabb. As for his throwing, he was a little inconsistent. I saw him live against Stanford and he didn't look special. I watched the Rose Bowl game against Penn State and he looked great. I think he really would've benefited from another year of starting experience to improve his consistency and knowledge of the game. He has potential to develop into a good starter and I'd feel okay if my favorite NFL team took him in the draft to be its QB of the future, but like any QB prospect, there's a significant risk factor.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
They might as well have been with how far off they were playing. He certainly had a good game and looked accurate. My point was more that he didn't see any pressure and I didn't see that many small windows other than one beautiful TD pass right at the goalline that a DB almost got a hand on.
Doctor Detroit
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Actually that is just one source since the Tulsa link is just quoting the nationalfootballpost. I'd steer clear of that site when Bradford announces tomorrow he's coming back.
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