C. Portis is he done? (1 Viewer)

[CARLOS609]

In my PPR dynasty league someone wants to give me Portis for V. Young

I have Rodgers at QB so giving up Young isnt all that bad BUT I would rather have Young as a back up because if Rodgers goes down Young will be better than anything on the waiver wire

I DO need the RB help I have A.P., Knowskills Moreno, Thomas Jones, Forsett, chester Taylor and Kevin "no knee" Smith.

what do you guys think is Portis done? will having Larry Johnson taking carries kill his value?

It seems like a no brainer but why would someone give up a RB who last year was being drafted in the 2nd round?

 

[Sammy Traveller]

ask LaVar Arrington. He might have some good insights.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

There is a fork sticking out of his back.

 

[D'OHtis]

I wouldn't accept Portis for Young [6 or 4 pass TD scoring]

I'd give you someone like Kyle Orton.

 

[thecardiackid]

So, the guy who drafted CP in the NFL is now his coach again. Then, what does Shanny do? Adds LJ, SlowWP, and others to the mix. Less than a glowing endorsement of how the coach feels, no?

CP is probably a RB 15-20 if he can stay healthy THIS year, but beyond that he's a dead man walking. And he might be worthless if LJ pulls his head out of his...

Probably a decent deal for VY since both are barely startable in most 12-14 team leagues. If you're depending on either, good luck. Better to package him in another deal to get a real upgrade somewhere (i.e. WR2)

 

[The Moz]

A. Parker sucks - couldn't run in Pittsburgh EVER unless against weak run teams and lately been even worse

B. LJ other than having 2 all world line lineman has sucked over his career

C. Portis thrived under Shanny and is sill under 30

maybe Portis isn't a top 10 back anymore but he is the on e to to own if not the only wash back to own

 

[Sebowski]

If someone offered me Young for Portis I'd wear out my Enter button hitting Accept.

Listening, Pete?

 

[Blackjacks]

I wouldn't do it. Young is still a young productive QB. Portis is all but done and I don't think he will be the guy opening day (i think LJ will). Someone earlier in thread said "he is back with the coach that drafted him"........he is also back with the coach that traded him (in his prime).

Stay clear

 

[Sinrman]

A. Parker sucks - couldn't run in Pittsburgh EVER unless against weak run teams and lately been even worse B. LJ other than having 2 all world line lineman has sucked over his career C. Portis thrived under Shanny and is sill under 30 maybe Portis isn't a top 10 back anymore but he is the on e to to own if not the only wash back to own

A) Ohh except for that pesky first Super Bowl win...B) You could say that about a lot of backs. Ask Priest. Ask Marshall. Ask Emmitt. Having good O-linemen isn't their fault, they are doing what they are SUPPOSED to do with a strong line.C) Portis thrived so much that Shanny traded him...

 

[Nagle2998]

Im not sure why everyone is so down on Portis prior to last year he was healthy for two straight years and put up very good numbers on a bad team. Now he has McNabb who will keep defense much more honest and he has a great coach in Shanny that continues to produce numbers for his starting rb's. I think Parker is done and I agree LJ might worry me some but it's not like he produced the last few years. As for Shanny trading Portis before it was because he was always able to find a rb to fill in and produce and he got the best CB in the game at that time it's not he did a Holmes and gave him away. I'm not saying I would give up a ton for Portis but Young is a average number two Qb who had a handful of decent fantasy game.

 

[heidbrink]

A. Parker sucks - couldn't run in Pittsburgh EVER unless against weak run teams and lately been even worse B. LJ other than having 2 all world line lineman has sucked over his career C. Portis thrived under Shanny and is sill under 30 maybe Portis isn't a top 10 back anymore but he is the on e to to own if not the only wash back to own

A) Ohh except for that pesky first Super Bowl win...B) You could say that about a lot of backs. Ask Priest. Ask Marshall. Ask Emmitt. Having good O-linemen isn't their fault, they are doing what they are SUPPOSED to do with a strong line.C) Portis thrived so much that Shanny traded him...

Both of you make decent points. There is clearly value here in a redraft if you can pick the right RB.If you do think Portis is done, which would you say is the RB to own?

 

[Mark Wimer]

A. Parker sucks - couldn't run in Pittsburgh EVER unless against weak run teams and lately been even worse

B. LJ other than having 2 all world line lineman has sucked over his career

C. Portis thrived under Shanny and is sill under 30

maybe Portis isn't a top 10 back anymore but he is the on e to to own if not the only wash back to own

A) Ohh except for that pesky first Super Bowl win...B) You could say that about a lot of backs. Ask Priest. Ask Marshall. Ask Emmitt. Having good O-linemen isn't their fault, they are doing what they are SUPPOSED to do with a strong line.



C) Portis thrived so much that Shanny traded him...

Yup. Shanahan and Portis don't get along so well... maybe something to do with the Coach Janky Spanky and Sherriff Gonna Getcha get-ups? . Yes I know this was schtick in Washington, not Denver, but the attitude that is behind Coach Janky Spanky has to be there all the time...

 

[frogpond11]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsi...-me-agains.html

Clinton Portis finds 'me against the world' motivation

Coach Mike Shanahan hasn't made any secret that he's judging his players' commitment level during the offseason. Running back Clinton Portis, who was criticized by past coaches for his offseason conditioning habits, says that won't be a problem for him. At the conclusion of the final practice of Shanahan's first minicamp, Portis said he feels more committed than he has in recent years.

"I actually do. It's a difference when you say commitment and you want someone to buy into a system that you really don't believe in," Portis said. "I think having Coach Shanahan here, you just believe in whatever he say. If he tell you, 'I think we can jump off the roof, that we going to land safe.' It's like, 'All right, [expletive] it, let's jump.'"

Portis spoke with reporters at Redskins Park for the first time since the Redskins signed veteran free agents Larry Johnson and Willie Parker to compete with him in the backfield. He said he wasn't surprised by the signings and called the pair "great pickups."

"I think we'll find a way to make it work. I think that's beauty," Portis said. "Some people say you can never have too much and some people say there's not enough balls to go around, but I think the situation will work itself out. I think everybody is going to add a different dimension and come here and help this team."

Portis will be 29 by Week 1 and has nearly 9,700 carries already behind him. He was reflective with reporters when discussing how much he has left.

"I'm at the point of [being] tired to prove myself," he said. "Six out of eight years that I've been in the NFL, I've been consistent. Two years that I got hurt, which was unfortunate, I still went out and averaged 4.2 yards per carry or so and was doing pretty good.

"I think you get wrote off so quick. And people get tired of having a mainstay. I sat this offseason and had a chance to think. All the stuff I've done for this organization through the years. Everybody [said], 'Oh, the Redskins suck.' I always put this organization on my back and went out and gave everything I had. And it's still, like outcast. Get Portis out of here. Like I'm the reason the Redskins wasn't winning. When I think I was a guy who tried and gave everything I had to bring joy to this organization. You feel like everybody wants you out. To not have [my] back, everybody just turned their back. ...

"I say for all the naysayers and the haters, they finally opened my eyes this offseason. I think that's the motivation that I needed, just to feel like it's me against the world again. Everybody, all the media out there who wanted me out of here, who felt like I couldn't do it, I got something for you all. The time will come. I'm just staying patient and let you all see. I'm gonna let my work speak for itself."

Portis also said he doesn't feel any lingering problems from the concussion that ended his season prematurely last November.

"I feel good," he said.

 

[fatness]

Assuming all 3 are healthy, I think Portis will beat out Parker and Johnson fairly easily and will get the majority of the playing time at RB this year.

 

[buster c]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsi...-me-agains.html

Portis will be 29 by Week 1 and has nearly 9,700 carries already behind him. He was reflective with reporters when discussing how much he has left.

:X

 

[CARLOS609]

yeah I made the same face when read that 9,700 friggin carries stat LOL

I made the trade

TD's are only worth 4 pts

I probably wont start Young and if I do my season will probably be over anyway. If Portis works out great if not....oh well, I still have a shot at getting LJ on my team

 

[Ysatnaf_Gnik]

Assuming all 3 are healthy, I think Portis will beat out Parker and Johnson fairly easily and will get the majority of the playing time at RB this year.

Keyland Williams will be the starter by week 8.

 

[moderated]

Trading young for ports in a dynasty league is ridiculous.

Portis is close to worthless.

 

[The Moz]

to the guy that brough up Parker in the superbowl you mean his 2 yards a carry against Arizona or his under 1.5 yds a carry against seattle in that superbowl where through a defensive breakdown he was able to break off a long run. other than thyat long run he nothing andf was a liability.

 

[shredhead]

to the guy that brough up Parker in the superbowl you mean his 2 yards a carry against Arizona or his under 1.5 yds a carry against seattle in that superbowl where through a defensive breakdown he was able to break off a long run. other than thyat long run he nothing andf was a liability.

So just like all players, you take away all their good plays and they suck?

Trading young for ports in a dynasty league is ridiculous.

Yeah, that might not be a wise move in a dynasty, but the guy still has value in redrafts.

 

[D'OHtis]

Trading young for ports in a dynasty league is ridiculous.Portis is close to worthless.

x34 pass TD league, I wouldn't be surprised if Young finds a way to finish at the QB1 level in a coming season. (finishing QB12 or better)

 

[The Moz]

to the guy that brough up Parker in the superbowl you mean his 2 yards a carry against Arizona or his under 1.5 yds a carry against seattle in that superbowl where through a defensive breakdown he was able to break off a long run. other than thyat long run he nothing andf was a liability.

So just like all players, you take away all their good plays and they suck?

Trading young for ports in a dynasty league is ridiculous.

Yeah, that might not be a wise move in a dynasty, but the guy still has value in redrafts.

no he was stuffed all game - seattle had a breakdown and missed an assigment allowing parker to run free. Parker has always struiggled agaist good d's and done great against bad ones.

 

[griff321]

You guys are all missing the point. The Bottom line is this is a Mike Shanahan team and any and all RBs are off limits. While you guys are arguing over how much tread the top backs have, I'm thinking that it's just as likely that Ryan Torain or undrafted rookies Keiland Williams, Maurice Greer, or Tony Nelson could see the lion's share of carries.

All of the RBs are not dominate enough to keep the other guys on the sideline and we know how Shanny LOVES to play the hot back of the week and who knows who that'll be.

Never forget that all Washington backs have now assumed the title of toxic to your fantasy team.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Why is Portis a poor bet for success?

1. He may be "only" 29, but the four out of five seasons of 325+ carries from 2004-2008 have taken the life out of his legs. His big-play ability is long gone, and he's no longer an asset as a receiver.

2. It took him four months to get over his season-ending concussion. Not good.

3. In addition to the concussion, he's also been plagued by injuries up and down his legs the past couple of years. His body is beat.

4. The new regime brought in LJ and FWP.

I'm not much of a Larry Johnson fan, but I think he's the favorite considering the way he ran in Cincinnati at the end of last year.

 

[AngryPatriot]

He's been done for awhile. There's always this player love that seems to last a lot longer than that players actual productivity. All signs do not point to a resurgence.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

It's strange that everyone places the blame for last season's poor productivity solely on Portis. It's almost as if nobody noticed:

- the O-line was one of the worst in the league

- Jason Campbell was a flat out bad QB

- the offense was the most simplistic & predictable of any offense in recent memory, except for the Raiders the year they brought in that dude who had been out of football 15 years to be the OC

I get it - Portis looked bad. He had a concussion. He's lost some of his burst.

He's also still one of the best RBs in history at picking up the blitz, he runs with heart on every play, he has great vision, and apparently has dedicated himself to getting in shape for the first time in recent memory.

Is he worthy of a high draft pick? Nope. Is he a solid value play? Absolutely.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

It's strange that everyone places the blame for last season's poor productivity solely on Portis. It's almost as if nobody noticed:- the O-line was one of the worst in the league- Jason Campbell was a flat out bad QB- the offense was the most simplistic & predictable of any offense in recent memory, except for the Raiders the year they brought in that dude who had been out of football 15 years to be the OCI get it - Portis looked bad. He had a concussion. He's lost some of his burst.He's also still one of the best RBs in history at picking up the blitz, he runs with heart on every play, he has great vision, and apparently has dedicated himself to getting in shape for the first time in recent memory.Is he worthy of a high draft pick? Nope. Is he a solid value play? Absolutely.

He's done.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

It's strange that everyone places the blame for last season's poor productivity solely on Portis. It's almost as if nobody noticed:- the O-line was one of the worst in the league- Jason Campbell was a flat out bad QB- the offense was the most simplistic & predictable of any offense in recent memory, except for the Raiders the year they brought in that dude who had been out of football 15 years to be the OCI get it - Portis looked bad. He had a concussion. He's lost some of his burst.He's also still one of the best RBs in history at picking up the blitz, he runs with heart on every play, he has great vision, and apparently has dedicated himself to getting in shape for the first time in recent memory.Is he worthy of a high draft pick? Nope. Is he a solid value play? Absolutely.

He's done.

Alright, give me your projections for 2010.Mine: 700 yds rushing, 5 TDs, 100 yds receiving, 0 TDs.Do I plan to start him? Nope. Will he be a bye-week filler for the 1st half of the season? Probably.My hunch based on reading stuff here is that most people expect: 150 yds, 0 TDs

 

[Fear & Loathing]

It's strange that everyone places the blame for last season's poor productivity solely on Portis. It's almost as if nobody noticed:- the O-line was one of the worst in the league- Jason Campbell was a flat out bad QB- the offense was the most simplistic & predictable of any offense in recent memory, except for the Raiders the year they brought in that dude who had been out of football 15 years to be the OCI get it - Portis looked bad. He had a concussion. He's lost some of his burst.He's also still one of the best RBs in history at picking up the blitz, he runs with heart on every play, he has great vision, and apparently has dedicated himself to getting in shape for the first time in recent memory.Is he worthy of a high draft pick? Nope. Is he a solid value play? Absolutely.

He's done.

Alright, give me your projections for 2010.Mine: 700 yds rushing, 5 TDs, 100 yds receiving, 0 TDs.Do I plan to start him? Nope. Will he be a bye-week filler for the 1st half of the season? Probably.My hunch based on reading stuff here is that most people expect: 150 yds, 0 TDs

Cut by the Redskins before Week 1.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

It's strange that everyone places the blame for last season's poor productivity solely on Portis. It's almost as if nobody noticed:- the O-line was one of the worst in the league- Jason Campbell was a flat out bad QB- the offense was the most simplistic & predictable of any offense in recent memory, except for the Raiders the year they brought in that dude who had been out of football 15 years to be the OCI get it - Portis looked bad. He had a concussion. He's lost some of his burst.He's also still one of the best RBs in history at picking up the blitz, he runs with heart on every play, he has great vision, and apparently has dedicated himself to getting in shape for the first time in recent memory.Is he worthy of a high draft pick? Nope. Is he a solid value play? Absolutely.

He's done.

Alright, give me your projections for 2010.Mine: 700 yds rushing, 5 TDs, 100 yds receiving, 0 TDs.Do I plan to start him? Nope. Will he be a bye-week filler for the 1st half of the season? Probably.My hunch based on reading stuff here is that most people expect: 150 yds, 0 TDs

Cut by the Redskins before Week 1.

It's far more likely that FWP is cut.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

It's strange that everyone places the blame for last season's poor productivity solely on Portis. It's almost as if nobody noticed:- the O-line was one of the worst in the league- Jason Campbell was a flat out bad QB- the offense was the most simplistic & predictable of any offense in recent memory, except for the Raiders the year they brought in that dude who had been out of football 15 years to be the OCI get it - Portis looked bad. He had a concussion. He's lost some of his burst.He's also still one of the best RBs in history at picking up the blitz, he runs with heart on every play, he has great vision, and apparently has dedicated himself to getting in shape for the first time in recent memory.Is he worthy of a high draft pick? Nope. Is he a solid value play? Absolutely.

He's done.

Alright, give me your projections for 2010.Mine: 700 yds rushing, 5 TDs, 100 yds receiving, 0 TDs.Do I plan to start him? Nope. Will he be a bye-week filler for the 1st half of the season? Probably.My hunch based on reading stuff here is that most people expect: 150 yds, 0 TDs

Cut by the Redskins before Week 1.

It's far more likely that FWP is cut.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

 

[Nagle2998]

He's been done for awhile. There's always this player love that seems to last a lot longer than that players actual productivity. All signs do not point to a resurgence.

Just curious but what do you consider a while because prior to last year he was a top rb and even though he struggled early last year his team stunk and he still got 4.0 YPC

 

[BigTex]

He's been done for awhile. There's always this player love that seems to last a lot longer than that players actual productivity. All signs do not point to a resurgence.

This

 

[cstu]

As a fantasy back, he's done. As an NFL back I think he can be productive in a RBBC for a couple more years. Portis/LJ is actually a pretty good tandem for the Redskins.

 

[menobrown]

Until breaking off a long run against the woeful Chiefs defense last season he went over 1,000 regular season carries without 40+ yard run. That's usually a pretty good sign of a RB in severe decline. To his credit he's been able to bang out a decent YPC during that time so I''m hesitant to call him done. As an NFL back teams don't fear him and have not for years but he might be able to pull an Emmit Smith like last year with the Cardinals and muster another usable fantasy season.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Because it's the offseason we're letting these kinds of threads in here?

 

[msommer]

Until breaking off a long run against the woeful Chiefs defense last season he went over 1,000 regular season carries without 40+ yard run. That's usually a pretty good sign of a RB in severe decline. To his credit he's been able to bang out a decent YPC during that time so I''m hesitant to call him done. As an NFL back teams don't fear him and have not for years but he might be able to pull an Emmit Smith like last year with the Cardinals and muster another usable fantasy season.

When did he decline, before or after the 1,000 carries?During?Was it number 666?1,000 carries is about three seasons. It seems like an extended period to choose...

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

CP and LJ will make a nice RBBC this year.

 

[Aardvarks]

CP and LJ will make a nice RBBC this year.

So many things make Portis undraftable to me. The Shanahan revolving stable, the concussions, injuries, mileage, etc. But the #1 factor is money. Portis is financially gorged after that huge Snyder contract. To make matters worse, a couple years ago they re-did the deal for cap relief and converted all his remaining salaries into guaranteed bonuses.Portis will not be on my team, not even as #3. In fact I have a feeling LJ has more left in the tank, and more motivation, than Portis and Parker combined.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Cut by the Redskins before Week 1.

I was apprehensive to open this thread as I was pretty sure I wouldn't enjoy reading it. Looks like the OP used the SP to weigh a trade...whatever. I was pretty bored till I rolled up on F&L. Now I know you are dynasty guruman, love your angles on things and fell you rate most pretty fair. I ahve a hard time feeling that anyone is completely void of value, especially in dynasty where I can acquire guys in their 30s on the cheap...they make great fill in roster spots when you are close to a real run at a title. But you basically are thinking that Portis won't make th eteam. I understand why you would say that but I think if Mike was really hellbent on not playing Portis that he would have shown him the door in time to latch on to another team. He treated Campbell with respect, why would he not extend that same courtesy to Clinton Portis? I don't know where there is bad blood betweent the two of them. Portis did not demand a release or trade when Mike was announced as the new coach. It's a good thing to post F&L, and I wouldn't be totally shocked but a release before week1 would really go against what we are seeing right now.

 

[TheWheel]

I see all three producing. They all have a lot of wear and tear. One is bound to get injured. As long as they all do alright in training camp they should all make the roster. Portis is one consussion away from having to evaluate his priorities and maybe retire. Parker can still play. Johnson can be a workhorse. Remember, Shanahan can get production out of people. Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughns were nothing compared to these three guys.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Cut by the Redskins before Week 1.

I was apprehensive to open this thread as I was pretty sure I wouldn't enjoy reading it. Looks like the OP used the SP to weigh a trade...whatever. I was pretty bored till I rolled up on F&L. Now I know you are dynasty guruman, love your angles on things and fell you rate most pretty fair. I ahve a hard time feeling that anyone is completely void of value, especially in dynasty where I can acquire guys in their 30s on the cheap...they make great fill in roster spots when you are close to a real run at a title.

But you basically are thinking that Portis won't make th eteam. I understand why you would say that but I think if Mike was really hellbent on not playing Portis that he would have shown him the door in time to latch on to another team. He treated Campbell with respect, why would he not extend that same courtesy to Clinton Portis? I don't know where there is bad blood betweent the two of them. Portis did not demand a release or trade when Mike was announced as the new coach.

It's a good thing to post F&L, and I wouldn't be totally shocked but a release before week1 would really go against what we are seeing right now.

1. A lot of people are glossing over an ultra-serious concussion from which it took Portis four months to get clearance for even non-contact practice. Two months after the incident, his eyesight/blurriness was still bothering him. I'm not convinced he'll last the preseason without another head-related issue.2. The Redskins have 3 veterans trying out for, basically, two spots. They can't keep all 3 of Portis, LJ, and FWP because none of them play special teams, and there isn't a good receiving back in the group. Frankly, from what I've seen the past three years, none of the three are even close to an average NFL back when it comes to running (Portis is still a great blocker). The stat that somebody posted earlier about Portis not breaking a 40-yard run (or maybe one 40-yard run) in 1,000 carries is very telling ... and anybody who has seen him run for 2 years knows it without seeing the stat. His legs are shot. When he went down last season, Ladell Betts immediately came in and looked like a much better runner until he tore an ACL. Larry Johnson, on the other hand, had plenty of life left in his legs once he ran behind Cincy's line. Granted, he was putrid in KC. Beyond stink. And I've never liked LJ. Overrated as a player and despicable as a human. I still don't like him. But I think he's got a much better shot to win an open competition than Portis does.

3. Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen have gone a long way to bring in their own guys at many positions. They brought in LJ & FWP at RB. The only reason Clinton Portis is still on the roster right now is because he's getting $6.5M guaranteed. It's not surprising at all that he wasn't an offseason cut b/c what do the Redskins have to gain by cutting him before the summer? But he will have to earn a roster spot in training camp/preseason by outplaying LJ & FWP. I have little doubt that he can push FWP to the side if he can avoid a concussion and/or another long string of leg injuries. That's a big "if", though. There's a lot going against him to reclaim a feature back job ... and even more to keep that job throughout the Fall without suffering a serious injury.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

I see all three producing. They all have a lot of wear and tear. One is bound to get injured. As long as they all do alright in training camp they should all make the roster. Portis is one consussion away from having to evaluate his priorities and maybe retire. Parker can still play. Johnson can be a workhorse. Remember, Shanahan can get production out of people. Mike Anderson and Reuben Droughns were nothing compared to these three guys.

Forget the names. These are three of the worst running backs employed in the NFL this year.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Cut by the Redskins before Week 1.

I was apprehensive to open this thread as I was pretty sure I wouldn't enjoy reading it. Looks like the OP used the SP to weigh a trade...whatever. I was pretty bored till I rolled up on F&L. Now I know you are dynasty guruman, love your angles on things and fell you rate most pretty fair. I ahve a hard time feeling that anyone is completely void of value, especially in dynasty where I can acquire guys in their 30s on the cheap...they make great fill in roster spots when you are close to a real run at a title.

But you basically are thinking that Portis won't make th eteam. I understand why you would say that but I think if Mike was really hellbent on not playing Portis that he would have shown him the door in time to latch on to another team. He treated Campbell with respect, why would he not extend that same courtesy to Clinton Portis? I don't know where there is bad blood betweent the two of them. Portis did not demand a release or trade when Mike was announced as the new coach.

It's a good thing to post F&L, and I wouldn't be totally shocked but a release before week1 would really go against what we are seeing right now.

1. A lot of people are glossing over an ultra-serious concussion from which it took Portis four months to get clearance for even non-contact practice. Two months after the incident, his eyesight/blurriness was still bothering him. I'm not convinced he'll last the preseason without another head-related issue.2. The Redskins have 3 veterans trying out for, basically, two spots. They can't keep all 3 of Portis, LJ, and FWP because none of them play special teams, and there isn't a good receiving back in the group. Frankly, from what I've seen the past three years, none of the three are even close to an average NFL back when it comes to running (Portis is still a great blocker). The stat that somebody posted earlier about Portis not breaking a 40-yard run (or maybe one 40-yard run) in 1,000 carries is very telling ... and anybody who has seen him run for 2 years knows it without seeing the stat. His legs are shot. When he went down last season, Ladell Betts immediately came in and looked like a much better runner until he tore an ACL. Larry Johnson, on the other hand, had plenty of life left in his legs once he ran behind Cincy's line. Granted, he was putrid in KC. Beyond stink. And I've never liked LJ. Overrated as a player and despicable as a human. I still don't like him. But I think he's got a much better shot to win an open competition than Portis does.

3. Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen have gone a long way to bring in their own guys at many positions. They brought in LJ & FWP at RB. The only reason Clinton Portis is still on the roster right now is because he's getting $6.5M guaranteed. It's not surprising at all that he wasn't an offseason cut b/c what do the Redskins have to gain by cutting him before the summer? But he will have to earn a roster spot in training camp/preseason by outplaying LJ & FWP. I have little doubt that he can push FWP to the side if he can avoid a concussion and/or another long string of leg injuries. That's a big "if", though. There's a lot going against him to reclaim a feature back job ... and even more to keep that job throughout the Fall without suffering a serious injury.

F&L,Just curious since you like a lot of these stats. What do you make of Joseph Addai last season? He finished top5 IIRC in PPR, never had 100 yd rushing game, never broke a run for more than about 20-25 yds. The point I make is that Portis doesn't really need to be special. He just needs to move the ball and Mike will feed him if he can do that. I think Portis and LJ will be fine as a 1-2 punch running the ball. In fact I think many RBs that you and others want to put out to pasture will be just fine this year. I know we are in the gray area between redraft and dynasty, I'm thinking more redraft as in 2010.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Cut by the Redskins before Week 1.

I was apprehensive to open this thread as I was pretty sure I wouldn't enjoy reading it. Looks like the OP used the SP to weigh a trade...whatever. I was pretty bored till I rolled up on F&L. Now I know you are dynasty guruman, love your angles on things and fell you rate most pretty fair. I ahve a hard time feeling that anyone is completely void of value, especially in dynasty where I can acquire guys in their 30s on the cheap...they make great fill in roster spots when you are close to a real run at a title.

But you basically are thinking that Portis won't make th eteam. I understand why you would say that but I think if Mike was really hellbent on not playing Portis that he would have shown him the door in time to latch on to another team. He treated Campbell with respect, why would he not extend that same courtesy to Clinton Portis? I don't know where there is bad blood betweent the two of them. Portis did not demand a release or trade when Mike was announced as the new coach.

It's a good thing to post F&L, and I wouldn't be totally shocked but a release before week1 would really go against what we are seeing right now.

1. A lot of people are glossing over an ultra-serious concussion from which it took Portis four months to get clearance for even non-contact practice. Two months after the incident, his eyesight/blurriness was still bothering him. I'm not convinced he'll last the preseason without another head-related issue.2. The Redskins have 3 veterans trying out for, basically, two spots. They can't keep all 3 of Portis, LJ, and FWP because none of them play special teams, and there isn't a good receiving back in the group. Frankly, from what I've seen the past three years, none of the three are even close to an average NFL back when it comes to running (Portis is still a great blocker). The stat that somebody posted earlier about Portis not breaking a 40-yard run (or maybe one 40-yard run) in 1,000 carries is very telling ... and anybody who has seen him run for 2 years knows it without seeing the stat. His legs are shot. When he went down last season, Ladell Betts immediately came in and looked like a much better runner until he tore an ACL. Larry Johnson, on the other hand, had plenty of life left in his legs once he ran behind Cincy's line. Granted, he was putrid in KC. Beyond stink. And I've never liked LJ. Overrated as a player and despicable as a human. I still don't like him. But I think he's got a much better shot to win an open competition than Portis does.

3. Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen have gone a long way to bring in their own guys at many positions. They brought in LJ & FWP at RB. The only reason Clinton Portis is still on the roster right now is because he's getting $6.5M guaranteed. It's not surprising at all that he wasn't an offseason cut b/c what do the Redskins have to gain by cutting him before the summer? But he will have to earn a roster spot in training camp/preseason by outplaying LJ & FWP. I have little doubt that he can push FWP to the side if he can avoid a concussion and/or another long string of leg injuries. That's a big "if", though. There's a lot going against him to reclaim a feature back job ... and even more to keep that job throughout the Fall without suffering a serious injury.

F&L,Just curious since you like a lot of these stats. What do you make of Joseph Addai last season? He finished top5 IIRC in PPR, never had 100 yd rushing game, never broke a run for more than about 20-25 yds. The point I make is that Portis doesn't really need to be special. He just needs to move the ball and Mike will feed him if he can do that. I think Portis and LJ will be fine as a 1-2 punch running the ball. In fact I think many RBs that you and others want to put out to pasture will be just fine this year. I know we are in the gray area between redraft and dynasty, I'm thinking more redraft as in 2010.

Well, first of all, you glossed over the serious concussion issue once again. And it is a very serious issue. You also glossed over Portis' myriad leg injuries and his career carry total. Second of all, the RBs I (we) "put out to pasture" last year were LaDainian Tomlinson (when he was still going mid-first in redraft leagues), Brian Westbrook (still going early 2nd in redraft leagues), Clinton Portis (still going late second/early third in redraft leagues), Larry Johnson (still going wherever he was going), Jamal Lewis (who cares), and Thomas Jones (did great). We whiffed on Jones, and hit the ball out of the park on the other five. Tony Gwynn wishes he had that batting average.

That said, there are similarities between Portis and Addai. Neither have big-play ability to speak of, but both are very good at pass protection. Addai has an advantage b/c he has his QB's utmost trust and has mastered his offensive system whereas his competition (Donald Brown) is still very green. Portis has a new QB, a new offense, and competition that has just as much experience as he.

I really believe Portis will be cut before the 2nd week of September. I don't know what you want me to say beyond that. I'm not going to say what I don't believe. I think Portis, LJ, and FWP are three of the worst runners in the NFL at this stage of their career. Just take a look at the starters on other teams. I don't think the Redskins will have a successful rushing attack at all, and none of the three is a good bet to stay healthy for more than three weeks at a time in 2010. As soon as one of these runners takes the helm, he's a hamstring/groin pull/ACL/sprained ankle waiting to happen.

To answer your Addai question directly? He did much better in fantasy terms than I anticipated last season. But I truly believe that was an aberration. You're not going to get rich betting on a non-special back with no big-play ability. It might break your way once awhile, as it did for Addai in 2009, but it's a very poor strategy. Just my :(

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Cut by the Redskins before Week 1.

I was apprehensive to open this thread as I was pretty sure I wouldn't enjoy reading it. Looks like the OP used the SP to weigh a trade...whatever. I was pretty bored till I rolled up on F&L. Now I know you are dynasty guruman, love your angles on things and fell you rate most pretty fair. I ahve a hard time feeling that anyone is completely void of value, especially in dynasty where I can acquire guys in their 30s on the cheap...they make great fill in roster spots when you are close to a real run at a title.

But you basically are thinking that Portis won't make th eteam. I understand why you would say that but I think if Mike was really hellbent on not playing Portis that he would have shown him the door in time to latch on to another team. He treated Campbell with respect, why would he not extend that same courtesy to Clinton Portis? I don't know where there is bad blood betweent the two of them. Portis did not demand a release or trade when Mike was announced as the new coach.

It's a good thing to post F&L, and I wouldn't be totally shocked but a release before week1 would really go against what we are seeing right now.

1. A lot of people are glossing over an ultra-serious concussion from which it took Portis four months to get clearance for even non-contact practice. Two months after the incident, his eyesight/blurriness was still bothering him. I'm not convinced he'll last the preseason without another head-related issue.2. The Redskins have 3 veterans trying out for, basically, two spots. They can't keep all 3 of Portis, LJ, and FWP because none of them play special teams, and there isn't a good receiving back in the group. Frankly, from what I've seen the past three years, none of the three are even close to an average NFL back when it comes to running (Portis is still a great blocker). The stat that somebody posted earlier about Portis not breaking a 40-yard run (or maybe one 40-yard run) in 1,000 carries is very telling ... and anybody who has seen him run for 2 years knows it without seeing the stat. His legs are shot. When he went down last season, Ladell Betts immediately came in and looked like a much better runner until he tore an ACL. Larry Johnson, on the other hand, had plenty of life left in his legs once he ran behind Cincy's line. Granted, he was putrid in KC. Beyond stink. And I've never liked LJ. Overrated as a player and despicable as a human. I still don't like him. But I think he's got a much better shot to win an open competition than Portis does.

3. Mike Shanahan and Bruce Allen have gone a long way to bring in their own guys at many positions. They brought in LJ & FWP at RB. The only reason Clinton Portis is still on the roster right now is because he's getting $6.5M guaranteed. It's not surprising at all that he wasn't an offseason cut b/c what do the Redskins have to gain by cutting him before the summer? But he will have to earn a roster spot in training camp/preseason by outplaying LJ & FWP. I have little doubt that he can push FWP to the side if he can avoid a concussion and/or another long string of leg injuries. That's a big "if", though. There's a lot going against him to reclaim a feature back job ... and even more to keep that job throughout the Fall without suffering a serious injury.

F&L,Just curious since you like a lot of these stats. What do you make of Joseph Addai last season? He finished top5 IIRC in PPR, never had 100 yd rushing game, never broke a run for more than about 20-25 yds. The point I make is that Portis doesn't really need to be special. He just needs to move the ball and Mike will feed him if he can do that. I think Portis and LJ will be fine as a 1-2 punch running the ball. In fact I think many RBs that you and others want to put out to pasture will be just fine this year. I know we are in the gray area between redraft and dynasty, I'm thinking more redraft as in 2010.

Well, first of all, you glossed over the serious concussion issue once again. And it is a very serious issue. You also glossed over Portis' myriad leg injuries and his career carry total. Second of all, the RBs I (we) "put out to pasture" last year were LaDainian Tomlinson (when he was still going mid-first in redraft leagues), Brian Westbrook (still going early 2nd in redraft leagues), Clinton Portis (still going late second/early third in redraft leagues), Larry Johnson (still going wherever he was going), Jamal Lewis (who cares), and Thomas Jones (did great). We whiffed on Jones, and hit the ball out of the park on the other five. Tony Gwynn wishes he had that batting average.

That said, there are similarities between Portis and Addai. Neither have big-play ability to speak of, but both are very good at pass protection. Addai has an advantage b/c he has his QB's utmost trust and has mastered his offensive system whereas his competition (Donald Brown) is still very green. Portis has a new QB, a new offense, and competition that has just as much experience as he.

I really believe Portis will be cut before the 2nd week of September. I don't know what you want me to say beyond that. I'm not going to say what I don't believe. I think Portis, LJ, and FWP are three of the worst runners in the NFL at this stage of their career. Just take a look at the starters on other teams. I don't think the Redskins will have a successful rushing attack at all, and none of the three is a good bet to stay healthy for more than three weeks at a time in 2010. As soon as one of these runners takes the helm, he's a hamstring/groin pull/ACL/sprained ankle waiting to happen.

To answer your Addai question directly? He did much better in fantasy terms than I anticipated last season. But I truly believe that was an aberration. You're not going to get rich betting on a non-special back with no big-play ability. It might break your way once awhile, as it did for Addai in 2009, but it's a very poor strategy. Just my

Right, but Addai has done it twice in the last 3 seasons...just adding that info in there. I agree that Portis has a lot of mileage and such, but I'm not talking about investing a high pick, for a lot of folks this is RB3 or later.

You obviously like a whole bunch of other guys. I like many of them too, and I hope you check in on the next redraft RB thread I fire up, would love to get your input in there.

Cheers F&L, always a pleasure.

 

[Fear & Loathing]

Right, but Addai has done it twice in the last 3 seasons...just adding that info in there. I agree that Portis has a lot of mileage and such, but I'm not talking about investing a high pick, for a lot of folks this is RB3 or later. You obviously like a whole bunch of other guys. I like many of them too, and I hope you check in on the next redraft RB thread I fire up, would love to get your input in there. Cheers F&L, always a pleasure.