C. Portis knee problems (2 Viewers)

[OCC]

Portis is my keeper in my money league. I'm forfeiting my first round pick in order to keep him (1.03).

Applauding stupidity now, are we?

Can't really say it was a stupid move without knowing more about his league.For example, if it's a 14 team 3 or 4 player keeper, what pick it cost him becomes irrelevant. Keeping Portis in that situation, was the right move.

True. I/we have no idea what is out there after accounting for keepers. So, what is available? 1.03 just sounded good, but without the rules/keepers we don't know.

If you don't know then why the stupidity remark? Stupidity is making conclusions without knowing all the facts.

Kind of like applauding his decision to keep Portis and not knowing if Stephen Jackson, Gore, and Addai would be available to draft? I

This discussion is classic.Here's what happened with 4 guys have WAY too much time on their hands. It's stupid. How do you know?You're right maybe it's not.Thought so.Wait it could be stupid!

 

[brindrod]

Thoughts on targeting Portis/draft scenarios?

I'm basing this statement on the following; 12 Team Redfaft League

18 rounds

1 Flex

There is value to Portis. We are all consensus that he is not RB1 material because of his injuries and his playing status.

Is he an RB2? This is where the settings of your league and the guys you draft with will be the key answer. No doubt that you must handcuff him to Ladell Betts no later than the sixth if not late 5th round. You can bet your weekly paycheck that a non-Portis owner will nab Betts in the sixth round and especially the clown who drafted thin at RB will gun for him.

However, if you're set at RB, there is no way you can overlook Portis as your RB3 or FLX1. If I need Betts to cover for Portis and he's available, in the sixth, I'll take him too but you can overlook the handcuff option if your roster is thin at another position. In other words, you don't trap yourself and stress out for the next rounds (for fear of losing Betts) if Portis is your FLX1 or RB3.

I would certainly target Portis in the third round. I have him ranked as RB22 or FLX1 on my cheatsheet. I would feel comfortable taking him ahead the likes of Andre Johnson, Lee Evans and Thomas Jones but there is no way I rank him higher than the likes of Housh & Torry Holt.

 

[The Mechanic]

Thoughts on targeting Portis/draft scenarios?

I'm basing this statement on the following; 12 Team Redfaft League

18 rounds

1 Flex

There is value to Portis. We are all consensus that he is not RB1 material because of his injuries and his playing status.

Is he an RB2? This is where the settings of your league and the guys you draft with will be the key answer. No doubt that you must handcuff him to Ladell Betts no later than the sixth if not late 5th round. You can bet your weekly paycheck that a non-Portis owner will nab Betts in the sixth round and especially the clown who drafted thin at RB will gun for him.

However, if you're set at RB, there is no way you can overlook Portis as your RB3 or FLX1. If I need Betts to cover for Portis and he's available, in the sixth, I'll take him too but you can overlook the handcuff option if your roster is thin at another position. In other words, you don't trap yourself and stress out for the next rounds (for fear of losing Betts) if Portis is your FLX1 or RB3.

Exactly.

I would certainly target Portis in the third round. I have him ranked as RB22 or FLX1 on my cheatsheet. I would feel comfortable taking him ahead the likes of Andre Johnson, Lee Evans and Thomas Jones but there is no way I rank him higher than the likes of Housh & Torry Holt.

 

[Koya]

Thoughts on targeting Portis/draft scenarios?

I'm basing this statement on the following; 12 Team Redfaft League

18 rounds

1 Flex

There is value to Portis. We are all consensus that he is not RB1 material because of his injuries and his playing status.

Is he an RB2? This is where the settings of your league and the guys you draft with will be the key answer. No doubt that you must handcuff him to Ladell Betts no later than the sixth if not late 5th round. You can bet your weekly paycheck that a non-Portis owner will nab Betts in the sixth round and especially the clown who drafted thin at RB will gun for him.

However, if you're set at RB, there is no way you can overlook Portis as your RB3 or FLX1. If I need Betts to cover for Portis and he's available, in the sixth, I'll take him too but you can overlook the handcuff option if your roster is thin at another position. In other words, you don't trap yourself and stress out for the next rounds (for fear of losing Betts) if Portis is your FLX1 or RB3.

Exactly.

I would certainly target Portis in the third round. I have him ranked as RB22 or FLX1 on my cheatsheet. I would feel comfortable taking him ahead the likes of Andre Johnson, Lee Evans and Thomas Jones but there is no way I rank him higher than the likes of Housh & Torry Holt.

In a 12 teamer, having Portis as your #3 is not going to be likely in most leagues. That said, there are some GREAT value RBs slipping into the 5th or 6th that, imo, are worth taking before Betts and if you can't get Betts before the 7th, you have a viable other RB (Ahman Green was the guy I targeted and got) then I don't think you should stress too much.Portis is all about upisde. And risk. A LOT of both.

That said, few players have the upside of someone who has proven he can be a top 5 talent in the league. If you can mitigate the risk (either get Betts or a really solid #3 RB that you know is the starter and will at least be scoring 10-15 points minimum almost every week) then you have a nice ace in the hole.

By not taking Betts in the 5th or 6th you get a RB that can play in bye weeks in addition to when Portis does not start. Ideally, you get a good #3 AND Betts, but as Betts and others in similar positions usually go too high to someone who is desperate or thinking they can call the shots in a trade, I would only plan on taking Portis if you have a plan that includes not getting Betts.

Need to mitigate that risk. If you do, there is a LOT of upside.

FWIW - I didnt love my Portis pick. Did not know if a Green or Jamal Lewis would be available so it was a risk in the draft itself. But between the upside of Portis or the mehness of say Edge (that was my choice), I have to take the risk... play for the championship, and Edge wont win you that. Portis can, and he wont lose one for you if you draft accordingly.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Portis is my keeper in my money league. I'm forfeiting my first round pick in order to keep him (1.03).

Applauding stupidity now, are we?

Can't really say it was a stupid move without knowing more about his league.For example, if it's a 14 team 3 or 4 player keeper, what pick it cost him becomes irrelevant. Keeping Portis in that situation, was the right move.

True. I/we have no idea what is out there after accounting for keepers. So, what is available? 1.03 just sounded good, but without the rules/keepers we don't know.

If you don't know then why the stupidity remark? Stupidity is making conclusions without knowing all the facts.

Kind of like applauding his decision to keep Portis and not knowing if Stephen Jackson, Gore, and Addai would be available to draft? I

This discussion is classic.Here's what happened with 4 guys have WAY too much time on their hands. It's stupid. How do you know?You're right maybe it's not.Thought so.Wait it could be stupid!

Pot meet Kettle...

 

[TheDirtyWord]

In a 12 teamer, having Portis as your #3 is not going to be likely in most leagues. That said, there are some GREAT value RBs slipping into the 5th or 6th that, imo, are worth taking before Betts and if you can't get Betts before the 7th, you have a viable other RB (Ahman Green was the guy I targeted and got) then I don't think you should stress too much.Portis is all about upisde. And risk. A LOT of both.That said, few players have the upside of someone who has proven he can be a top 5 talent in the league. If you can mitigate the risk (either get Betts or a really solid #3 RB that you know is the starter and will at least be scoring 10-15 points minimum almost every week) then you have a nice ace in the hole.By not taking Betts in the 5th or 6th you get a RB that can play in bye weeks in addition to when Portis does not start. Ideally, you get a good #3 AND Betts, but as Betts and others in similar positions usually go too high to someone who is desperate or thinking they can call the shots in a trade, I would only plan on taking Portis if you have a plan that includes not getting Betts.Need to mitigate that risk. If you do, there is a LOT of upside. FWIW - I didnt love my Portis pick. Did not know if a Green or Jamal Lewis would be available so it was a risk in the draft itself. But between the upside of Portis or the mehness of say Edge (that was my choice), I have to take the risk... play for the championship, and Edge wont win you that. Portis can, and he wont lose one for you if you draft accordingly.

This is what it comes down to with Portis. Great upside and risk and drafting accordingly to mitigate the risk. While Portis is hobbled, if all he has is tendonitis, I think you'll see him play. Whether he can be 100% effective or return to form - that's another question, but you know what he can do at his best.

 

[Tecumseh]

I got him at 5.6 of a 10 team, standard scoring redraft as my RB3 (behind Addai and McGahee). I was ecstatic. Couldn't pass him up there...

 

[Righetti]

Notes: RB Clinton Portis, sidelined for more than three weeks with tendinitis in his knee, took part in some agility drills Tuesday but indicated he probably won't play until the season opener Sept. 9. "That's the date we're shooting for right now," Portis said. Portis said he's not concerned about not taking any hits in preseason. "I've been taking hits for about 13, 14 years, and I'm sure the game of football hasn't changed," he said. "What's going to be the shock? I know how it feels to get hit. My goal is to keep from being hit." ..

 

[ffnut]

I got him at 5.6 of a 10 team, standard scoring redraft as my RB3 (behind Addai and McGahee). I was ecstatic. Couldn't pass him up there...

Exactly. I planned on not taking him in my draft but then he was sitting there with the 48th pick...how could I pass on him? There is definitely risk with him but we all know the upside too. If you can get him this late, there is no reason to pass on him and no reason to feel all that bad if it doesn't work out. If it does work out, you probably have a great shot at winning your league.

 

[Righetti]

Last year you were injured while making a tackle during a meaningless preseason game. If you were commissioner for the day, how would you fix the current system? Would you shorten the preseason? Eliminate it completely?

Man, you know, if I was the commissioner I'd do a lot different. Like the individuality of the game - you want to sell that to the fans, but you're really not letting the players be individuals. I would change that first and let players go out and have fun. A lot of the things that separate players and show the individuality of players is taken away - like celebrations or the dress code. I understand you want to make everyone look the same, but everybody is not the same. The way they market the NFL they're making major money and that's what it all boils down to, making money. They gotta get their money, but how much money can you make?

I say let the people go out and have fun. And I think the preseason should be about letting the people who are coming in, looking for a shot, have that opportunity. A lot of teams don't do that. You don't get the opportunity to go out and showcase your talent. You might get to play in one game or you might not. If you don't even get into your first game then no one will ever know if you can play.



Because your season was cut short last year, it seems like critics are down on you. What's your mindset heading into this season and what can the fans expect from Clinton Portis and the Washington Redskins in 2007?

You can expect C.P. to be back in the zone. I know no one is for me, everyone is against me. The people that are for me are probably the people that I sit down and have dinner with, and that's it. That's my family, my close friends and my teammates. Outside of them, it's always "What have you done for me lately?"

People like negativity. They want to see you rise and see you fall. I know I didn't fall, I got injured. I got injured doing something I love to do and that's being aggressive and giving my all. Whether it's preseason or not, I give it my all. When they turn the lights on, I go out there knowing I can't give them garbage. I go out and play football - preseason, regular season, playoffs, anything. I got hurt putting myself on the line and people act like I fell off. I didn't fall off, man. I was out there busting my ### in a game that wasn't even meaningful. Once I get out on the field, I'm gonna go full speed. I think the whole thing was just a wake-up call. You're only as hot as your last move and my last move it seems like was two years ago, so I ain't that hot right now.

 

[patrickmcgroin]

I got him at 5.6 of a 10 team, standard scoring redraft as my RB3 (behind Addai and McGahee). I was ecstatic. Couldn't pass him up there...

Exactly. I planned on not taking him in my draft but then he was sitting there with the 48th pick...how could I pass on him? There is definitely risk with him but we all know the upside too. If you can get him this late, there is no reason to pass on him and no reason to feel all that bad if it doesn't work out. If it does work out, you probably have a great shot at winning your league.

Same here, wasn't planning on it, but he was there in the 4th round of a 12 team league.

 

[ImTheScientist]

I targeted him at 2.04 and was estatic he was there. In most leagues he will not slip to the third round (FBG scoring, non-ppr). Having Portis as your #2 RB =

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

I targeted him at 2.04 and was estatic he was there. In most leagues he will not slip to the third round (FBG scoring, non-ppr). Having Portis as your #2 RB = :X

actually, i've seen him go in the 3rd round very often

 

[shadyridr]

Just praying he slips to me at 2.12

 

[brindrod]

I'm preparing for my draft which is this Wednesday and after reading the last insightful posts about the best case scenario on where to draft Clinton Portis seems to boil down to this;

Portis is too risky for a second round choice but is the best make/break player in the third (with or without Betts as the handcuff) to win it all in your league. Considering that there is a lot of depth at the RB position to draft from this season as well as WR, I don't think it's insane to rank Portis as a 2.12/3.01 on your cheatsheet. Let the other GMs scramble for Ladell Betts believing they are going to hold you hostage for a trade as you grab an Ahman Green or Cadillac Williams for RB depth later on in the 5th round or choose a Reggie Brown or Deoin Branch to bolster your WR corps in the aforementioned round.

Assuming none of my league mates are reading this, if one of them does grab Portis, I know they will scramble in the sixth round or pull the trigger earlier on Betts because the vultures will want to hold him hostage for absurd trade proposals. If that's the case, that will leave me better pickings to add to my roster because at least one if not two GMs will fighting each other for the Portis/Betts combo.

Looks like a win/win situation to me!

 

[LordHusker]

You guys sure are confident that he wind up injured. That's all I can say.

 

[thayman]

You guys sure are confident that he wind up injured. That's all I can say.

:X

 

[ImTheScientist]

I'm preparing for my draft which is this Wednesday and after reading the last insightful posts about the best case scenario on where to draft Clinton Portos seems to boil down to this;

Portis is too risky for a second round choice but is the best make/break player in the third (with or without Betts as the handcuff) to win it all in your league. Considering that there is a lot of depth at the RB position to draft from this season as well as WR, I don't think it's insane to rank Portis as a 2.12/3.01 on your cheatsheet. Let the other GMs scramble for Ladell Betts believing they are going to hold you hostage for a trade as you grab an Ahman Green or Cadillac Williams for RB depth later on in the 5th round or choose a Reggie Brown or Deoin Branch to bolster your WR corps in the aforementioned round.

Assuming none of my league mates are reading this, if one of them does grab Portis, I know they will scramble in the sixth round or pull the trigger earlier on Betts because the vultures will want to hold him hostage for absurd trade proposals. If that's the case, that will leave me better picking to add to my rosters because at least one if not two GMs will fighting each other for the Portis/Betts combo.

Looks like a win/win situation to me!

I don't understand the "YOU HAVE TO DRAFT BETTS" attitude. Im not one to draft handcuffs (wasted roster space IMO). The fact is not many RB's have been better than Portis since he entered the league and you will get that in the second round. I would jump all over that.

 

[WarRedbirds]

You guys sure are confident that he wind up injured. That's all I can say.

Umm, isn't he already injured?

 

[WarRedbirds]

I'm preparing for my draft which is this Wednesday and after reading the last insightful posts about the best case scenario on where to draft Clinton Portis seems to boil down to this;

Portis is too risky for a second round choice but is the best make/break player in the third (with or without Betts as the handcuff) to win it all in your league. Considering that there is a lot of depth at the RB position to draft from this season as well as WR, I don't think it's insane to rank Portis as a 2.12/3.01 on your cheatsheet. Let the other GMs scramble for Ladell Betts believing they are going to hold you hostage for a trade as you grab an Ahman Green or Cadillac Williams for RB depth later on in the 5th round or choose a Reggie Brown or Deoin Branch to bolster your WR corps in the aforementioned round.

Assuming none of my league mates are reading this, if one of them does grab Portis, I know they will scramble in the sixth round or pull the trigger earlier on Betts because the vultures will want to hold him hostage for absurd trade proposals. If that's the case, that will leave me better pickings to add to my roster because at least one if not two GMs will fighting each other for the Portis/Betts combo.

Looks like a win/win situation to me!

14-teamer, he won't be there for me in the third round, I can just about guarantee it. I have the 2.09 and am pretty sure he'll be there then. Not sure if I'm going to pull the trigger or not. I'm looking for any information that I can get about him. Just what is tendonitis anyways, and how is it that he is only running in a straight line, and how soon can he recover from this...and how effective can he be...?I really want to take his upside...

 

[Koya]

I'm preparing for my draft which is this Wednesday and after reading the last insightful posts about the best case scenario on where to draft Clinton Portis seems to boil down to this;

Portis is too risky for a second round choice but is the best make/break player in the third (with or without Betts as the handcuff) to win it all in your league. Considering that there is a lot of depth at the RB position to draft from this season as well as WR, I don't think it's insane to rank Portis as a 2.12/3.01 on your cheatsheet. Let the other GMs scramble for Ladell Betts believing they are going to hold you hostage for a trade as you grab an Ahman Green or Cadillac Williams for RB depth later on in the 5th round or choose a Reggie Brown or Deoin Branch to bolster your WR corps in the aforementioned round.

Assuming none of my league mates are reading this, if one of them does grab Portis, I know they will scramble in the sixth round or pull the trigger earlier on Betts because the vultures will want to hold him hostage for absurd trade proposals. If that's the case, that will leave me better pickings to add to my roster because at least one if not two GMs will fighting each other for the Portis/Betts combo.

Looks like a win/win situation to me!

:X As he is a great 3rd round value and borderline/too risky second round, it has to be noted that when you have a low 2nd rounder, you will likely "group" your second and third. For example, where I took Portis was 2.10. At 3.3 he would have been great value, but it didnt matter. I knew that had I not taken the RB, he and Edge would be gone and Id go down a big tier. By taking the RB, I KNEW one of my top 3 WRs WOULD be there still.

With that in mind, if you have the tolerance for the risk (because it is a risk for sure) and plan accordingly (I think Green or J Lewis are great targets in the 5th for a 12th rounder) and have a late 2nd rounder, think about whether you want to take the chance on Portis because you might very well have to make that choice.

That said, Portis vs. other late second early third rounders:

Edge

Benson

Caddy

B Jacobs

T Jones

I would rather have Portis than any of those guys, even though you have some safer options in the above list (and depending upon your draft, a couple others could sneak in or these guys may be drafted already). Again, do you like risk, and do you think Portis has enough upside to mitigate. If you do, then draft with that in mind and go for a solid 3rd RB in case someone takes Betts too high - which likely will happen.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I drafted from the 8th spot in a PPR league and landed up with Westbrook, Portis, Reggie Wayne and Lee Evans

Championship

 

[Mystery Achiever]

I targeted him at 2.04 and was estatic he was there. In most leagues he will not slip to the third round (FBG scoring, non-ppr). Having Portis as your #2 RB =

actually, i've seen him go in the 3rd round very often

for another data point, he just went 2.11 in my twelve-teamer. betts went in the 6th to a different owner.

 

[Todem]

Thoughts on targeting Portis/draft scenarios?

I'm basing this statement on the following; 12 Team Redfaft League

18 rounds

1 Flex

There is value to Portis. We are all consensus that he is not RB1 material because of his injuries and his playing status.

Is he an RB2? This is where the settings of your league and the guys you draft with will be the key answer. No doubt that you must handcuff him to Ladell Betts no later than the sixth if not late 5th round. You can bet your weekly paycheck that a non-Portis owner will nab Betts in the sixth round and especially the clown who drafted thin at RB will gun for him.

However, if you're set at RB, there is no way you can overlook Portis as your RB3 or FLX1. If I need Betts to cover for Portis and he's available, in the sixth, I'll take him too but you can overlook the handcuff option if your roster is thin at another position. In other words, you don't trap yourself and stress out for the next rounds (for fear of losing Betts) if Portis is your FLX1 or RB3.

I would certainly target Portis in the third round. I have him ranked as RB22 or FLX1 on my cheatsheet. I would feel comfortable taking him ahead the likes of Andre Johnson, Lee Evans and Thomas Jones but there is no way I rank him higher than the likes of Housh & Torry Holt.

Whats the value in that????Handcuff no later than the 6th? If your gonna roll the bones on Portis you have to believe he is the man and will get 20 touches a game easy otherwise your passing other important starting positions for a back up RB.

NEVER DRAFT WITH INJURIES ON THE MIND.

That is a guppie strategy IMO.

 

[Heinz 57]

I took Portis with the 5th pick of a 2nd round draft. 16 teams, made that 21# overall. Ronnie brown was my #1 (11th overall). Both a high risk/reward guys, but thats what wins, when the risk pays.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Thoughts on targeting Portis/draft scenarios?

I'm basing this statement on the following; 12 Team Redfaft League

18 rounds

1 Flex

There is value to Portis. We are all consensus that he is not RB1 material because of his injuries and his playing status.

Is he an RB2? This is where the settings of your league and the guys you draft with will be the key answer. No doubt that you must handcuff him to Ladell Betts no later than the sixth if not late 5th round. You can bet your weekly paycheck that a non-Portis owner will nab Betts in the sixth round and especially the clown who drafted thin at RB will gun for him.

However, if you're set at RB, there is no way you can overlook Portis as your RB3 or FLX1. If I need Betts to cover for Portis and he's available, in the sixth, I'll take him too but you can overlook the handcuff option if your roster is thin at another position. In other words, you don't trap yourself and stress out for the next rounds (for fear of losing Betts) if Portis is your FLX1 or RB3.

I would certainly target Portis in the third round. I have him ranked as RB22 or FLX1 on my cheatsheet. I would feel comfortable taking him ahead the likes of Andre Johnson, Lee Evans and Thomas Jones but there is no way I rank him higher than the likes of Housh & Torry Holt.

Whats the value in that????Handcuff no later than the 6th? If your gonna roll the bones on Portis you have to believe he is the man and will get 20 touches a game easy otherwise your passing other important starting positions for a back up RB.

NEVER DRAFT WITH INJURIES ON THE MIND.

That is a guppie strategy IMO.

 

[mad sweeney]

Thoughts on targeting Portis/draft scenarios?

I'm basing this statement on the following; 12 Team Redfaft League

18 rounds

1 Flex

There is value to Portis. We are all consensus that he is not RB1 material because of his injuries and his playing status.

Is he an RB2? This is where the settings of your league and the guys you draft with will be the key answer. No doubt that you must handcuff him to Ladell Betts no later than the sixth if not late 5th round. You can bet your weekly paycheck that a non-Portis owner will nab Betts in the sixth round and especially the clown who drafted thin at RB will gun for him.

However, if you're set at RB, there is no way you can overlook Portis as your RB3 or FLX1. If I need Betts to cover for Portis and he's available, in the sixth, I'll take him too but you can overlook the handcuff option if your roster is thin at another position. In other words, you don't trap yourself and stress out for the next rounds (for fear of losing Betts) if Portis is your FLX1 or RB3.

I would certainly target Portis in the third round. I have him ranked as RB22 or FLX1 on my cheatsheet. I would feel comfortable taking him ahead the likes of Andre Johnson, Lee Evans and Thomas Jones but there is no way I rank him higher than the likes of Housh & Torry Holt.

Whats the value in that????Handcuff no later than the 6th? If your gonna roll the bones on Portis you have to believe he is the man and will get 20 touches a game easy otherwise your passing other important starting positions for a back up RB.

NEVER DRAFT WITH INJURIES ON THE MIND.

That is a guppie strategy IMO.

Spend 2 of your top 5 or 6 picks on one starting slot? FF suicide IMO. Grab someone there you can actually put on the field week 1 or can cover your byes.

 

[ImTheScientist]

Thoughts on targeting Portis/draft scenarios?

I'm basing this statement on the following; 12 Team Redfaft League

18 rounds

1 Flex

There is value to Portis. We are all consensus that he is not RB1 material because of his injuries and his playing status.

Is he an RB2? This is where the settings of your league and the guys you draft with will be the key answer. No doubt that you must handcuff him to Ladell Betts no later than the sixth if not late 5th round. You can bet your weekly paycheck that a non-Portis owner will nab Betts in the sixth round and especially the clown who drafted thin at RB will gun for him.

However, if you're set at RB, there is no way you can overlook Portis as your RB3 or FLX1. If I need Betts to cover for Portis and he's available, in the sixth, I'll take him too but you can overlook the handcuff option if your roster is thin at another position. In other words, you don't trap yourself and stress out for the next rounds (for fear of losing Betts) if Portis is your FLX1 or RB3.

I would certainly target Portis in the third round. I have him ranked as RB22 or FLX1 on my cheatsheet. I would feel comfortable taking him ahead the likes of Andre Johnson, Lee Evans and Thomas Jones but there is no way I rank him higher than the likes of Housh & Torry Holt.

Whats the value in that????Handcuff no later than the 6th? If your gonna roll the bones on Portis you have to believe he is the man and will get 20 touches a game easy otherwise your passing other important starting positions for a back up RB.

NEVER DRAFT WITH INJURIES ON THE MIND.

That is a guppie strategy IMO.

Spend 2 of your top 5 or 6 picks on one starting slot? FF suicide IMO. Grab someone there you can actually put on the field week 1 or can cover your byes.

What I don't understand is that this website PREACHES drafting for value. Drafting handcuffs is NOT drafting for value.

 

[squistion]

What I don't understand is that this website PREACHES drafting for value. Drafting handcuffs is NOT drafting for value.

True, but I picked up Larry Johnson the year he broke out at 7.01 and won my league because the Holmes owner followed the advice that drafting handcuffs was guppie strategy and didn't take Johnson as a handcuff in an earlier round, like he should have.

 

[SCT]

Thoughts on targeting Portis/draft scenarios?

I'm basing this statement on the following; 12 Team Redfaft League

18 rounds

1 Flex

There is value to Portis. We are all consensus that he is not RB1 material because of his injuries and his playing status.

Is he an RB2? This is where the settings of your league and the guys you draft with will be the key answer. No doubt that you must handcuff him to Ladell Betts no later than the sixth if not late 5th round. You can bet your weekly paycheck that a non-Portis owner will nab Betts in the sixth round and especially the clown who drafted thin at RB will gun for him.

However, if you're set at RB, there is no way you can overlook Portis as your RB3 or FLX1. If I need Betts to cover for Portis and he's available, in the sixth, I'll take him too but you can overlook the handcuff option if your roster is thin at another position. In other words, you don't trap yourself and stress out for the next rounds (for fear of losing Betts) if Portis is your FLX1 or RB3.

I would certainly target Portis in the third round. I have him ranked as RB22 or FLX1 on my cheatsheet. I would feel comfortable taking him ahead the likes of Andre Johnson, Lee Evans and Thomas Jones but there is no way I rank him higher than the likes of Housh & Torry Holt.

Whats the value in that????Handcuff no later than the 6th? If your gonna roll the bones on Portis you have to believe he is the man and will get 20 touches a game easy otherwise your passing other important starting positions for a back up RB.

NEVER DRAFT WITH INJURIES ON THE MIND.

That is a guppie strategy IMO.

Exactly, if you are going with Portis it's because you are guessing that this isn't that big a deal (knees) and that Betts is still just a backup, not the rbbc threat that others preach.My story: Last year, traded Alexander (after injury) for Portis and 1.06 in a 2 keeper league. Then Portis goes down with the hand. My keepers coming in to this year were McGahee and Portis until I sent McGahee packing with my 1.01 pick and a swap down to 4th round from my 3rd round and brought in a young man we think will help the club: Steven Jackson.

 

[Koya]

What I don't understand is that this website PREACHES drafting for value. Drafting handcuffs is NOT drafting for value.

True, but I picked up Larry Johnson the year he broke out at 7.01 and won my league because the Holmes owner followed the advice that drafting handcuffs was guppie strategy and didn't take Johnson as a handcuff in an earlier round, like he should have.

There are different approaches and different strategies. For every LJ that breaks out, there are tons of Arlen Harrises and Trung Candidates that dont.

 

[mad sweeney]

What I don't understand is that this website PREACHES drafting for value. Drafting handcuffs is NOT drafting for value.

True, but I picked up Larry Johnson the year he broke out at 7.01 and won my league because the Holmes owner followed the advice that drafting handcuffs was guppie strategy and didn't take Johnson as a handcuff in an earlier round, like he should have.

How many times does that happen though? There was plenty of hype about LJ, much more so than there is for Betts. He's a very good RB but no one would ever compare the potential of the two guys at the point when they were a valuable backup. And 7th round is a lot different than th 5-6 round advocated above. No rule in FF is immutable and on occasion you take a risk, as you did. You have to evaluate each situation and a majority of the time I can't see drafting a 2nd round guy and then his backup 3-4 rounds later. I'd rather take a different guy in rd 2 or if he's the most valuable guy at that draft position I wouldn't worry about backing him up until I had strength and depth at other positions too.How many guys drafted the Burner early last year? How'd that help them?

 

[Evilhomer3k]

Although it's just a 10 teamer, I drafted Portis at 4.4. I did not draft Betts. If Portis is healthy, he'll start. I believe he'll be healthy by week 1.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

I drafted from the 8th spot in a PPR league and landed up with Westbrook, Portis, Reggie Wayne and Lee EvansChampionship

 

[mdog1967]

while everyone is focusing on the knee, the real issue is the shoulder, and nobody knows how that will hold up against a shot from a 250LB linebacker..a hard hitting RB with a surgically repaired shoulder is worrisome...Portis doesn't know how to avoid contact from an opposing defender, instead, he just tries to run into people and bull them over, ala Brandon Jacobs or Jerome Bettis..

what if a 300-lb lineman falls on him, and catches that shoulder awkwardly..it could be something as harmless as that, a tackle from a big guy, that plants his shoulder in the wrong place, and it gets re-injured.

the knee is just icing on the cake on why I wouldn't think twice about passing over Portis in a draft. Betts is the real value pick

in Washington.

the fact that we're already well into preseason and the dude has been unable to practice, tells me all I need to know about the Redskins RB situation.

What is that?? That you really don't have any clue as to what you are talking about???

Dont be a Homer dude, Portis is way to big a risk to even ding with this year. I hope for the Skins they get somthing out of him, dont hold your breath. I have a feeling that dude knows what he's talking about. If you got him in your little dynasty league at least state it. It would give some clue as to your glibb ignorance on Portis's condition and how much of a serious risk he is. The staff at Redskin central are always gonna tell you "Dont worry about it". Worry about it.

 

[mdog1967]

What I don't understand is that this website PREACHES drafting for value. Drafting handcuffs is NOT drafting for value.

True, but I picked up Larry Johnson the year he broke out at 7.01 and won my league because the Holmes owner followed the advice that drafting handcuffs was guppie strategy and didn't take Johnson as a handcuff in an earlier round, like he should have.

There are different approaches and different strategies. For every LJ that breaks out, there are tons of Arlen Harrises and Trung Candidates that dont.

If this is the only site your using, your in serious trouble. Its not much different than going to the doctor, you need a second and third opinion.

 

[Steve Polychronopolous]

I drafted from the 8th spot in a PPR league and landed up with Westbrook, Portis, Reggie Wayne and Lee EvansChampionship

Decided to trade away your first round pick?

 

[Routilla]

I drafted from the 8th spot in a PPR league and landed up with Westbrook, Portis, Reggie Wayne and Lee EvansChampionship

Decided to trade away your first round pick?

 

[shadyridr]

I drafted from the 8th spot in a PPR league and landed up with Westbrook, Portis, Reggie Wayne and Lee EvansChampionship

Decided to trade away your first round pick?

Westbrook in a PPR is a stud

 

[Koya]

What I don't understand is that this website PREACHES drafting for value. Drafting handcuffs is NOT drafting for value.

True, but I picked up Larry Johnson the year he broke out at 7.01 and won my league because the Holmes owner followed the advice that drafting handcuffs was guppie strategy and didn't take Johnson as a handcuff in an earlier round, like he should have.

There are different approaches and different strategies. For every LJ that breaks out, there are tons of Arlen Harrises and Trung Candidates that dont.

If this is the only site your using, your in serious trouble. Its not much different than going to the doctor, you need a second and third opinion.

Huh?I must say, you would think after 7 years on this site I would get used to the inane assumptions people make, but it still gets me.Where would you get the idea that this is the only site I am using? How would you know whether or not I even subscribe to THIS site or just use the boards (use the site, support Joe and his family. Boats can only feed so many /public service announcement)?And why would you even just ASSUME that if I would not "use" any other site? Is there a reason you are going to try and disparage my more than accurate statement?Is this the only site that overhypes player? Is this the only forum that has a herd mentality where posters jump on pro/anti bandwagons with unmatched zeal?BTW, Green as a third RB taken in the late fourth or 5th seems to have far more value and will help build a better overall team than Betts in the 6th. The season could shape up in a lot of ways, but as of right now I think that is an accurate statement, easily.

 

[joey]

What I don't understand is that this website PREACHES drafting for value. Drafting handcuffs is NOT drafting for value.

True, but I picked up Larry Johnson the year he broke out at 7.01 and won my league because the Holmes owner followed the advice that drafting handcuffs was guppie strategy and didn't take Johnson as a handcuff in an earlier round, like he should have.

How many times does that happen though? There was plenty of hype about LJ, much more so than there is for Betts. He's a very good RB but no one would ever compare the potential of the two guys at the point when they were a valuable backup. And 7th round is a lot different than th 5-6 round advocated above. No rule in FF is immutable and on occasion you take a risk, as you did. You have to evaluate each situation and a majority of the time I can't see drafting a 2nd round guy and then his backup 3-4 rounds later. I'd rather take a different guy in rd 2 or if he's the most valuable guy at that draft position I wouldn't worry about backing him up until I had strength and depth at other positions too.How many guys drafted the Burner early last year? How'd that help them?

But the similarity between the Priest/LJ situation and the Portis/Betts situation is the system.Most believed that the starting KC running back was GOLD. Some believed that it was wortha 1st and 6th round pick (or even 5th when the "handcuff LJ to Priest" mania was at its peak)to lock up the best running game in the NFL.This year is a similar situation with Portis/Betts. Most think that a truly healthy Portis would putup top 5 numbers in that system. We also saw that Betts put up really good numbers last yearfilling in for Portis in that system.So, while I probably won't be taking Portis in round 2 or 3 this year, I can see why some folks mightwant to spend 2 picks in the first 6 round trying to lock up what could be a top 5 rushing attack in Washington.

 

[One]

I'm steering as clear from CP as possible. I know red flags when I see them and this is more like a red tarp.

Now Betts around 60th-70th overall .. I could do that.

 

[mad sweeney]

What I don't understand is that this website PREACHES drafting for value. Drafting handcuffs is NOT drafting for value.

True, but I picked up Larry Johnson the year he broke out at 7.01 and won my league because the Holmes owner followed the advice that drafting handcuffs was guppie strategy and didn't take Johnson as a handcuff in an earlier round, like he should have.

How many times does that happen though? There was plenty of hype about LJ, much more so than there is for Betts. He's a very good RB but no one would ever compare the potential of the two guys at the point when they were a valuable backup. And 7th round is a lot different than th 5-6 round advocated above. No rule in FF is immutable and on occasion you take a risk, as you did. You have to evaluate each situation and a majority of the time I can't see drafting a 2nd round guy and then his backup 3-4 rounds later. I'd rather take a different guy in rd 2 or if he's the most valuable guy at that draft position I wouldn't worry about backing him up until I had strength and depth at other positions too.How many guys drafted the Burner early last year? How'd that help them?

But the similarity between the Priest/LJ situation and the Portis/Betts situation is the system.Most believed that the starting KC running back was GOLD. Some believed that it was wortha 1st and 6th round pick (or even 5th when the "handcuff LJ to Priest" mania was at its peak)to lock up the best running game in the NFL.This year is a similar situation with Portis/Betts. Most think that a truly healthy Portis would putup top 5 numbers in that system. We also saw that Betts put up really good numbers last yearfilling in for Portis in that system.So, while I probably won't be taking Portis in round 2 or 3 this year, I can see why some folks mightwant to spend 2 picks in the first 6 round trying to lock up what could be a top 5 rushing attack in Washington.

I just think there was more hype about LJ's potential than there is about Betts. Betts is a very good backup but LJ was lsated to be a superstar, much more upside which would warrant an earlier pick, at least the way I draft. I don't think that a Betts led rushing attack would be top 5. And again, a 7th round pick of a handcuff or prized backup is a lot different than doing so in the 5th or 6th.

 

[Sweetness_34]

I drafted from the 8th spot in a PPR league and landed up with Westbrook, Portis, Reggie Wayne and Lee EvansChampionship

Decided to trade away your first round pick?

Ever heard of Brian Westbrook in a PPR league?????

 

[Koya]

I'm steering as clear from CP as possible. I know red flags when I see them and this is more like a red tarp.

Now Betts around 60th-70th overall .. I could do that.

I am not sure why so many people are willing to spend what amounts to a 5th or 6th rounder on Betts when you can get viable #2/3 WRs or RBs that have a better chance at production.Yes, Betts is one of the best backups in the league with a good chance to start at least a couple games - but he seems to be asking too high a price considering what you give up.

 

[Koya]

What I don't understand is that this website PREACHES drafting for value. Drafting handcuffs is NOT drafting for value.

True, but I picked up Larry Johnson the year he broke out at 7.01 and won my league because the Holmes owner followed the advice that drafting handcuffs was guppie strategy and didn't take Johnson as a handcuff in an earlier round, like he should have.

How many times does that happen though? There was plenty of hype about LJ, much more so than there is for Betts. He's a very good RB but no one would ever compare the potential of the two guys at the point when they were a valuable backup. And 7th round is a lot different than th 5-6 round advocated above. No rule in FF is immutable and on occasion you take a risk, as you did. You have to evaluate each situation and a majority of the time I can't see drafting a 2nd round guy and then his backup 3-4 rounds later. I'd rather take a different guy in rd 2 or if he's the most valuable guy at that draft position I wouldn't worry about backing him up until I had strength and depth at other positions too.How many guys drafted the Burner early last year? How'd that help them?

But the similarity between the Priest/LJ situation and the Portis/Betts situation is the system.Most believed that the starting KC running back was GOLD. Some believed that it was wortha 1st and 6th round pick (or even 5th when the "handcuff LJ to Priest" mania was at its peak)to lock up the best running game in the NFL.This year is a similar situation with Portis/Betts. Most think that a truly healthy Portis would putup top 5 numbers in that system. We also saw that Betts put up really good numbers last yearfilling in for Portis in that system.So, while I probably won't be taking Portis in round 2 or 3 this year, I can see why some folks mightwant to spend 2 picks in the first 6 round trying to lock up what could be a top 5 rushing attack in Washington.

I just think there was more hype about LJ's potential than there is about Betts. Betts is a very good backup but LJ was lsated to be a superstar, much more upside which would warrant an earlier pick, at least the way I draft. I don't think that a Betts led rushing attack would be top 5. And again, a 7th round pick of a handcuff or prized backup is a lot different than doing so in the 5th or 6th.

I agree wholeheartedly. Which is why, if you take Portis, you better expect Betts to be taken too early, and plan for that.

 

[joffer]

just took Portis at 2.09, Betts at 8.09 in a 12 team

 

[Koya]

just took Portis at 2.09, Betts at 8.09 in a 12 team

Wow, surprised Betts lasted that long. I took portis at 2.10 and wasnt thinking Betts until at least the 7th and probably would have taken him then unless a big value play was on the board.To get both of those is great, unless they end up splitting time too much in which case both lose a lot of value.But for most drafts, someone will overpay for backups thinking either Betts is another LJ (and hey, I could be wrong and he could be but solid as he was last year, he wasnt LJ) or they can get a kings ransom from the Portis owner (and if that owner is not prepared, they may have a point)

 

[TwinTurbo]

Portis seems to be like a stock where all the bad news is already out. His price has fallen as low as it's going to go. Now is the time to buy. Guys Portis is only 25 and has many productive years ahead of him in the NFL. None of his injuries were career threatening. His stock is dropping because people are already treating him like a horse on it's way to the glue factory. But does anyone here really think Portis is washed up and done at only 25? Yes I am also concerned that he hasn't suited up this preseason but this all seems like his way of scamming out of practice to protect himself for the regular season. Lots of guys do this, including other RB's from the U like Edge. I wish he would have done this last year and not jacked up his shoulder in a meaningless game. Bottom line is that Portis is a steal in the 3rd round of any draft in any format. Pencil him in for a floor of 1300/10 if he is healthy and I think he already is.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Portis seems to be like a stock where all the bad news is already out. His price has fallen as low as it's going to go. Now is the time to buy. Guys Portis is only 25 and has many productive years ahead of him in the NFL. None of his injuries were career threatening. His stock is dropping because people are already treating him like a horse on it's way to the glue factory. But does anyone here really think Portis is washed up and done at only 25? Yes I am also concerned that he hasn't suited up this preseason but this all seems like his way of scamming out of practice to protect himself for the regular season. Lots of guys do this, including other RB's from the U like Edge. I wish he would have done this last year and not jacked up his shoulder in a meaningless game. Bottom line is that Portis is a steal in the 3rd round of any draft in any format. Pencil him in for a floor of 1300/10 if he is healthy and I think he already is.

I was shocked last night in a very competitive 14 team league I got him at 3.11 I went into the draft with him really not on my radar, knowing I'd never take him in rounds 1 and 2 but figured he'd be gone that late in the third.I'm not overly high on him but he's worth the risk their in my opinion. The way it's sounding he's dropping like that in other leagues.....so either I'm not in the loop and picked up some dead weight or I got some tremendous value, I guess we'll find out.