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Perhaps, but I guess we'll never know. I'm a big Caddy fan - have owned him since his rookie year - but it seemed like Caddy would be more likely to occasionally hit the home run, but Graham was a more consisent runner that seemed to fit better with the team's philosophy last year.
The problem with a guy like Graham is that he puts up fantasy points but his job is never secure. Most NFL teams have an Ernest Graham among their backups. Enjoy the production while it lasts, but don't bank on him being there long term.
I like Earnest a lot, he's a cool story, and he's nowhere near as good of a RB as Caddy is. Don't be stupid.Graham is mediocre but still much better than Caddy. That's a burn to the Caddy fans...QUEZILLA said:zamboni said:
What's that based on?This is coming from a guy who owns Graham in one league and Caddy in another. Caddy has never really looked elite to me in the NFL. Even during his vaunted rookie year, he just got a lot of opportunities, he didn't seem to be DOING anything special.I like Earnest a lot, he's a cool story, and he's nowhere near as good of a RB as Caddy is. Don't be stupid.Graham is mediocre but still much better than Caddy. That's a burn to the Caddy fans...QUEZILLA said:zamboni said:
I'm going to say that Caddy is great because I don't think he is but the Tampa line improved considerably last year and they had their best QB since Caddy has been there. Let's not get too carried away with Graham's year, he ran for a 4.0 behind what's been ranked as the #7 run blocking line, not eye popping. He scored 10 td's which is nice (Caddy had 3 in 3 games before getting hurt) and had a bunch of receptions. Graham was the only decent back on the roster last year but if Caddy can return this year he'll have to share with him as well as Dunn. Not good.What's that based on?This is coming from a guy who owns Graham in one league and Caddy in another. Caddy has never really looked elite to me in the NFL. Even during his vaunted rookie year, he just got a lot of opportunities, he didn't seem to be DOING anything special.I like Earnest a lot, he's a cool story, and he's nowhere near as good of a RB as Caddy is. Don't be stupid.Graham is mediocre but still much better than Caddy. That's a burn to the Caddy fans...QUEZILLA said:zamboni said:
Last year, despite only 10 games started, Graham had more rushing yards than Caddy has had since his rookie year, had more TDs than Caddy has EVER had in a year, and more receiving yards than Caddy has produced in his entire career.
Yet I'm stupid if I don't think Caddy is a significantly better running back than Graham? Kind of stretching it a bit aren't we? I mean, if you think Caddy is better (based on draft status, college production, or whatever), that's great - I'm not going to call you stupid for believing that despite all evidence to the contrary. But to call folks stupid for believing the opposite makes no sense at all.
I'm going to say that Caddy is great because I don't think he is but the Tampa line improved considerably last year and they had their best QB since Caddy has been there. Let's not get too carried away with Graham's year, he ran for a 4.0 behind what's been ranked as the #7 run blocking line, not eye popping. He scored 10 td's which is nice (Caddy had 3 in 3 games before getting hurt) and had a bunch of receptions. Graham was the only decent back on the roster last year but if Caddy can return this year he'll have to share with him as well as Dunn. Not good.What's that based on?This is coming from a guy who owns Graham in one league and Caddy in another. Caddy has never really looked elite to me in the NFL. Even during his vaunted rookie year, he just got a lot of opportunities, he didn't seem to be DOING anything special.I like Earnest a lot, he's a cool story, and he's nowhere near as good of a RB as Caddy is. Don't be stupid.Graham is mediocre but still much better than Caddy. That's a burn to the Caddy fans...QUEZILLA said:zamboni said:
Last year, despite only 10 games started, Graham had more rushing yards than Caddy has had since his rookie year, had more TDs than Caddy has EVER had in a year, and more receiving yards than Caddy has produced in his entire career.
Yet I'm stupid if I don't think Caddy is a significantly better running back than Graham? Kind of stretching it a bit aren't we? I mean, if you think Caddy is better (based on draft status, college production, or whatever), that's great - I'm not going to call you stupid for believing that despite all evidence to the contrary. But to call folks stupid for believing the opposite makes no sense at all.
Holy Schneikes, the stupid thing is that you fail to see the obvious relationship between a RB && his O-line. Your whole rant is based on individual stats for each player. Who do you think opens holes for TDs? 
Wow, who peed in your wheaties? Caddy is a great RB? What makes you say this? His career 3.8 YPC? His career 5.5 YPR? His inability to play 16 games? I'm not saying that Graham is twice the RB that Caddy is. I'm just saying that Caddy hasn't shown me much. Close to 1200 yards in 14 games as a rookie is nice, but 800 yards the following year in 14 games is not all that great. Maybe Caddy could've done well behind the line in 2007 that was improved over 2006 but we don't know that because he can't stay healthy. Yes there is a big link between line success and RB success. But one has to be on the field to take advantage of that. And to your final point, if you disagree with me, then by all means prove me wrong. Maybe show some stats. Some highlight films. Maybe even some logic other than you like a guy but he's not as good as another guy. But don't ever infer that I am of inferior intelligence. That very insightful post of yours really proves the opposite when comparing you and I. Now tell me how you saw all the games and you know Caddy is better because you sit on a couch and watch football on Sundays you are an expert on the subject....Capella said:
Wait till he takes some hits in TC. Then I'll change it...
No prob
So Tampa has had a terrible O-line for the last couple of years (and the first 4 games this year) and then all of the sudden it was great? Of course O-line (and scheme, etc.) has a ton to do with a RB's success. But that doesn't in the least little bit explain why Caddy would look pedestrian AGAIN at the beginning of last year.I'm not saying Graham is vastly superior to Caddy, I'm saying the converse doesn't seem to be true either. Graham looked just as good as Caddy running, and looked better than Caddy in passing situations running behind the SAME LINE in 2007.Capella said:I'm going to say that Caddy is great because I don't think he is but the Tampa line improved considerably last year and they had their best QB since Caddy has been there. Let's not get too carried away with Graham's year, he ran for a 4.0 behind what's been ranked as the #7 run blocking line, not eye popping. He scored 10 td's which is nice (Caddy had 3 in 3 games before getting hurt) and had a bunch of receptions. Graham was the only decent back on the roster last year but if Caddy can return this year he'll have to share with him as well as Dunn. Not good.What's that based on?This is coming from a guy who owns Graham in one league and Caddy in another. Caddy has never really looked elite to me in the NFL. Even during his vaunted rookie year, he just got a lot of opportunities, he didn't seem to be DOING anything special.I like Earnest a lot, he's a cool story, and he's nowhere near as good of a RB as Caddy is. Don't be stupid.Graham is mediocre but still much better than Caddy. That's a burn to the Caddy fans...
Last year, despite only 10 games started, Graham had more rushing yards than Caddy has had since his rookie year, had more TDs than Caddy has EVER had in a year, and more receiving yards than Caddy has produced in his entire career.
Yet I'm stupid if I don't think Caddy is a significantly better running back than Graham? Kind of stretching it a bit aren't we? I mean, if you think Caddy is better (based on draft status, college production, or whatever), that's great - I'm not going to call you stupid for believing that despite all evidence to the contrary. But to call folks stupid for believing the opposite makes no sense at all.Holy Schneikes, the stupid thing is that you fail to see the obvious relationship between a RB && his O-line. Your whole rant is based on individual stats for each player. Who do you think opens holes for TDs?
1 TB SEA 12 60 0 2 2 14 0 7.4 [play-by-play]2 TB NO 24 61 2 0 0 0 0 18.1 [play-by-play]So Tampa has had a terrible O-line for the last couple of years (and the first 4 games this year) and then all of the sudden it was great? Of course O-line (and scheme, etc.) has a ton to do with a RB's success. But that doesn't in the least little bit explain why Caddy would look pedestrian AGAIN at the beginning of last year.I'm not saying Graham is vastly superior to Caddy, I'm saying the converse doesn't seem to be true either. Graham looked just as good as Caddy running, and looked better than Caddy in passing situations running behind the SAME LINE in 2007.Capella said:I'm going to say that Caddy is great because I don't think he is but the Tampa line improved considerably last year and they had their best QB since Caddy has been there. Let's not get too carried away with Graham's year, he ran for a 4.0 behind what's been ranked as the #7 run blocking line, not eye popping. He scored 10 td's which is nice (Caddy had 3 in 3 games before getting hurt) and had a bunch of receptions. Graham was the only decent back on the roster last year but if Caddy can return this year he'll have to share with him as well as Dunn. Not good.What's that based on?This is coming from a guy who owns Graham in one league and Caddy in another. Caddy has never really looked elite to me in the NFL. Even during his vaunted rookie year, he just got a lot of opportunities, he didn't seem to be DOING anything special.I like Earnest a lot, he's a cool story, and he's nowhere near as good of a RB as Caddy is. Don't be stupid.Graham is mediocre but still much better than Caddy. That's a burn to the Caddy fans...
Last year, despite only 10 games started, Graham had more rushing yards than Caddy has had since his rookie year, had more TDs than Caddy has EVER had in a year, and more receiving yards than Caddy has produced in his entire career.
Yet I'm stupid if I don't think Caddy is a significantly better running back than Graham? Kind of stretching it a bit aren't we? I mean, if you think Caddy is better (based on draft status, college production, or whatever), that's great - I'm not going to call you stupid for believing that despite all evidence to the contrary. But to call folks stupid for believing the opposite makes no sense at all.
Graham is not a world-beater. He's a competent runner and a well-rounded back. But Caddy is about the same as a runner, but not as well-rounded. You can make all of the excuses you want for Caddy, but he has just not looked like a great RB at any time during his career. Even if you ignore the stats, you can see when he watch him play that he's not quite as advertised. As I said, I have him on one my teams and I've watched more than a few of his games. It's been VERY rare for me to say, "Wow, nice play." when watching him. Most of the time, it's more like "Where's that shake and bake he was supposed to have coming out of school?". He's not particularly powerful and doesn't seem to be able to break big plays. Don't know if it's speed or vision or what, but something is missing for him to be considered an "elite" player. And now he has a very significant injury to recover from/deal with.
The whole thing reminds me a lot of Kevin Jones. Neither back seems to be nearly as talented as they were supposed to be coming out of school, but folks still seem to thing they are great "talents" for some reason. Both have basically been busts, but all of the blame is placed on the team and not them, despite the fact that there actual RUNNING has been less than impressive. In both cases, there is plenty of blame to go around, but at some point a truly elite back shows SOMETHING despite less than ideal circumstances.
Those are decent numbers, considering he got hurt in the Carolina game. In the Stl. game we were so far ahead that EG was actually in the game. And in the fist game Sea had a pretty good D.
LOL at the video. I'm guessing you searched youtube for Caddy highlights and a video game is all you could come up with that weren't from college.QUEZILLA said:1 TB SEA 12 60 0 2 2 14 0 7.4 [play-by-play]2 TB NO 24 61 2 0 0 0 0 18.1 [play-by-play]Holy Schneikes said:So Tampa has had a terrible O-line for the last couple of years (and the first 4 games this year) and then all of the sudden it was great? Of course O-line (and scheme, etc.) has a ton to do with a RB's success. But that doesn't in the least little bit explain why Caddy would look pedestrian AGAIN at the beginning of last year.I'm not saying Graham is vastly superior to Caddy, I'm saying the converse doesn't seem to be true either. Graham looked just as good as Caddy running, and looked better than Caddy in passing situations running behind the SAME LINE in 2007.Capella said:I'm going to say that Caddy is great because I don't think he is but the Tampa line improved considerably last year and they had their best QB since Caddy has been there. Let's not get too carried away with Graham's year, he ran for a 4.0 behind what's been ranked as the #7 run blocking line, not eye popping. He scored 10 td's which is nice (Caddy had 3 in 3 games before getting hurt) and had a bunch of receptions. Graham was the only decent back on the roster last year but if Caddy can return this year he'll have to share with him as well as Dunn. Not good.What's that based on?This is coming from a guy who owns Graham in one league and Caddy in another. Caddy has never really looked elite to me in the NFL. Even during his vaunted rookie year, he just got a lot of opportunities, he didn't seem to be DOING anything special.I like Earnest a lot, he's a cool story, and he's nowhere near as good of a RB as Caddy is. Don't be stupid.Graham is mediocre but still much better than Caddy. That's a burn to the Caddy fans...
Last year, despite only 10 games started, Graham had more rushing yards than Caddy has had since his rookie year, had more TDs than Caddy has EVER had in a year, and more receiving yards than Caddy has produced in his entire career.
Yet I'm stupid if I don't think Caddy is a significantly better running back than Graham? Kind of stretching it a bit aren't we? I mean, if you think Caddy is better (based on draft status, college production, or whatever), that's great - I'm not going to call you stupid for believing that despite all evidence to the contrary. But to call folks stupid for believing the opposite makes no sense at all.Holy Schneikes, the stupid thing is that you fail to see the obvious relationship between a RB && his O-line. Your whole rant is based on individual stats for each player. Who do you think opens holes for TDs?
Graham is not a world-beater. He's a competent runner and a well-rounded back. But Caddy is about the same as a runner, but not as well-rounded. You can make all of the excuses you want for Caddy, but he has just not looked like a great RB at any time during his career. Even if you ignore the stats, you can see when he watch him play that he's not quite as advertised. As I said, I have him on one my teams and I've watched more than a few of his games. It's been VERY rare for me to say, "Wow, nice play." when watching him. Most of the time, it's more like "Where's that shake and bake he was supposed to have coming out of school?". He's not particularly powerful and doesn't seem to be able to break big plays. Don't know if it's speed or vision or what, but something is missing for him to be considered an "elite" player. And now he has a very significant injury to recover from/deal with.
The whole thing reminds me a lot of Kevin Jones. Neither back seems to be nearly as talented as they were supposed to be coming out of school, but folks still seem to thing they are great "talents" for some reason. Both have basically been busts, but all of the blame is placed on the team and not them, despite the fact that there actual RUNNING has been less than impressive. In both cases, there is plenty of blame to go around, but at some point a truly elite back shows SOMETHING despite less than ideal circumstances.
3 TB STL 12 46 1 1 1 3 0 10.9 [play-by-play]
4 TB CAR 6 41 0 2 0 0 0 4.1 [play-by-play]
These were Donald Penn (LT) & Aron Sears (LG) first 4 games starting in the NFL. The unit definitely got better as the season went on. I don't even see what the knock was on Caddy these first few games anyways
Here is a video that shows Caddy is a great RB
Those four games were OK. Just OK. I watched two of those games and they were decent fantasy-wise because of the TDs, but from a talent standpoint, there was nothing on display there that Graham can't do. That's the point.What makes you think Tampa will be splitting carries? Nothing in their recent past suggests they like to split carries among backs during games. They've always had one main horse getting the majority of touches whether it was Pittman or more recently Caddy. Even the year Thomas Jones was there he and Pittman didn't really split during games, Jones got like 60% of his stats for the year in the last 4 games while Pittman barely got any carries those games.Seems like they like to have one main horse for games, it's just that their main horses keep getting injured during the season.
Once he got the starting job last season Graham averaged > 19 touches a game.What have they done in the off season at RB where he would get less touches? Warrick Dunn, while i love him, is completely washed up at 33. He looked so bad last season it was sad to watch him. I think Tampa really made a HUGE mistake with him but maybe they want his leadership in the locker room and Gruden felt giving him some money as a swan song was the right thing to do for his friend. Pittman last year was better then Dunn and he didn't take much work away from Graham.If Caddy comes back healthy, a complete long shot that i doubt most are betting on, then i could see reason to be afraid. But with what Tampa has now at RB there really isn't any competition for the bulk of the touches out of the Tampa backfield.I just can't buy the Dunn argument at all after watching how bad he was last season. There is nothing he does better then Graham at this point in his career, so at most Dunn will get a series or two to give Graham breather.I mean seriously, people are afraid of a 33 year old Warrick Dunn???
No, I think that if people are reticent about this situation, they are more worried about the coach's prior tendencies. And as Marc pointed out, Gruden is a platoon guy.Just like when someone tells me that they have "the starter in Denver." Yeah sure--just wait a year, right?
He wasn't as bad as you claim he was and it's not that people are AFRAID of him but he'll get some reps. He's a good football player, plain and simple. He's not going to have some great season or challenge for fantasy comeback player of the year but Gruden says he'll have a role in the offense and Dunn isn't a one dimensional guy, making him somewhat valuable.As far as Caddy goes, I never thought he was that good healthy. To me, he's the guy for this season at least is a non issue because he's got to overcome so much just to be 100 percent on the field. I've been in Graham's corner since the last game of last season in supporting him for this year. I'm in ZERO dynasties so it's not like I have this rooting interest because he's on 3 of my teams or something. It's much simpler than that, the guy looked outstanding. I saw entire successful series where he was catching and running the ball all the way down the field for that team. He looked like the best back I've seen on that team in years, much better than Cadillac Williams looked on his best day. That's all I've gone on since winter and it's what I'm still going on until I hear than Graham isn't the starter.
If he had been healthy? Maybe. But he wasn't. Which is kinda the point and which has been the point for a few years now. Caddy has talent - that's not news. The NFL is littered with guys who have talent but can't stay healthy at almost every position. A RB with a bad wheel and a history of injury is not one I'd be banking on for a miraculous comeback. Will he play in '08? Doc says yes, so probably yes. But when and how effective? I'd be more guarded than optimistic given the circumstances - and given the fact that they have a starter who helped carry them to the playoffs last year on their roster.I don't know that he is any better at all. Graham had a 4.0 ypc compared to Caddy's career 3.8. They had the best line and best QB they've had in years last year. Caddy would have had just as good a season as Graham last year.Graham is mediocre but still much better than Caddy. That's a burn to the Caddy fans...:whoosh:
I think Gruden's historical use of RBBC was more situational than anything else. He had two of the best goal line guys in recent memory in Crockett and Alstott, while Garner and Pittman were limited.I remember several years ago Gruden saying that he's always looking for that "robo" back (i.e., a complete, all-purpose guy). At the time, he said he thought he had it in Pittman, but obviously wasn't the case. He also seemed to think so with Caddy, but as noted, Alstott was there.Regardless, even if Gruden does, in fact, stick with the RBBC approach, it sure seems like there is no one to take goal line carries away from Graham.
There's little doubt in my mind that Graham gets most of the carries, they just don't have enough competition for anyone to make it RBBC. He catches the ball well so he's going to be an every down back. The concern for me is that Graham doesn't look special (the eye ball test) and his 4.0 YPC was actually lower than Pittman (4.2 YPC), so if he ever does get competition he's at risk of losing his job.Which leads me to Cadillac. He has looked fantastic at times, but not the player I thought he'd be in the NFL - partially due the injuries and team issues, but also just not playing well. If he does come back this year, I find it difficult to believe he'll be a better back than he was before. So IMO it looks like it's Graham's team with maybe Caddy cutting into his carries later in the year. I do think there's a chance that Caddy returns to 100% in 2009 and finally becomes the back he was expected to be, but that's a long shot at this point.If he had been healthy? Maybe. But he wasn't. Which is kinda the point and which has been the point for a few years now. Caddy has talent - that's not news. The NFL is littered with guys who have talent but can't stay healthy at almost every position. A RB with a bad wheel and a history of injury is not one I'd be banking on for a miraculous comeback. Will he play in '08? Doc says yes, so probably yes. But when and how effective? I'd be more guarded than optimistic given the circumstances - and given the fact that they have a starter who helped carry them to the playoffs last year on their roster.I don't know that he is any better at all. Graham had a 4.0 ypc compared to Caddy's career 3.8. They had the best line and best QB they've had in years last year. Caddy would have had just as good a season as Graham last year.Graham is mediocre but still much better than Caddy. That's a burn to the Caddy fans...
I was looking for a video of the break out run he made against the Vikings his first NFL game.
I agree that his first 4 games last season were sub-par, but I honestly feel he was about to have a break out game. He has been known to get better with more carries.
Also, PR said that talking to a few coaches thee were definitely times that when Graham got tackled it would have been a big play for Caddy. He obviously has the break away speed.
I am not completely knocking Graham, and my favorite thing about him is his hands and versatility. It's not too often you find a RB that has the size to pound the ball, and the agility to make the catch. And, he was pretty consistent catching the ball. That being said, I thought this was the area Caddy struggled in the most. But, he had focused on improving this part of his game all off season last year.
I was at the St. Louis game, and I think there D was definitely tired by the time Graham got in. I think he is a great back for securing the lead, and winding down the clock. He is a big guy, and he doesn't fumble too often.
I think Graham has established himself as a good NFL RB, and I hope the Bucs can sign him. But, I still think a guy like Caddy has more upside. Even coming off of an injury.
btw, props to your Buc knowledge, I had forgotten Petitguot started the first few games.
I think there is room for interpretation on a lot of these issues, which is why I think Graham is one of the more interesting prospects this year. I actually agree that Graham is an average NFL talent, and would also agree than investing heavily in him in a dynasty league would be a mistake.What I tend to differ on is the quality of his competition. I think Caddy is ALSO an average NFL talent, and if anything slightly less valuable to the team in some situations. So we have a guy IMO that isn't much better than the starter if at all, who ALSO happens to be recovering from catastrophic injury. Dunn is completely and utterly finished. I LOVE the guy, he is one of the classiest and inspirational players to ever play the game. But he has not been a good RB for quite a while and was TERRIBLE last year in Atlanta. He did not all of the sudden get his burst back because he switched back to his old team. Yeah, he's an effective blocker, but Graham is pretty solid there too. Bennett is what he is, a 30 year old COP at best. He hasn't been relevant for 7 years and he isn't going to start being relevant again now. Don't know much about Boyd, except his draft position and that he seems to be in the same mold as Graham. He'd be the guy I'd look at if anybody for a surprise impact on Graham this year. Some of these guys who had injury issues in college come out of the woodwork to be decent in the NFL.Actually, if anything his competition this year might be weaker than last year because I think Pittman is likely as good or better than any of the guys he was replaced with.As for Gruden and RBBC, I agree there is a history there. But he didn't employ the system last year, and I have to weigh that scenario much more heavily than anything that happened further in the past, since this year is more likely to be similar to last year than those other years with completely different players/systems/teams. Between this year and last, a few of the players are different, but the system is the same, and the main guy (the guy that helped them to the playoffs when most weren't expecting it) is the same, and that is Graham.I guess if you believe that Dunn/Bennett is superior to Pittman/Bennett (right now) OR that Caddy is both significantly better than Graham and will be 95% healthy in '08, I could see worrying a LOT about Graham. I just don't happen to believe either of those things. Graham was in the top 10 last year basically playing only 13 games. In my mind there have been no dramatic changes to his situation. So it hard FOR ME to understand why it would take getting him after RB24 for him to be a decent value in redrafts.
As a head coach...yes. But the one back Gruden always points to as the example of how he would LIKE to use his RB is Ricky Watters. During the 3 years in Philly, Gruden fed Watters the ball 325 times / year...topping out at 353 in '96. He wanted/wants Carnell to be that type of workhorse.
I think he's full of it. He used to pull Caddy all the time, whether it be a passing situation or for short yardage/goal line work. I also recall many situations when he completely abandoned the running game in the second half. Drafted the guy that high and then barely used him.gump said:Ideally he would use 1 back. He actually used the term "robo-back" as what he wanted. That's what Caddy was supposed to be, but as of now he's looking more like a Johnny 5.
That wasn't the case at the beginning of Carnell's career...he was breaking NFL records for production basically due to volume of touches and Gruden's desire to run out the clock in the second half when he was up.I think he's full of it. He used to pull Caddy all the time, whether it be a passing situation or for short yardage/goal line work. I also recall many situations when he completely abandoned the running game in the second half. Drafted the guy that high and then barely used him.gump said:
yes, during his rookie season. he had 290 carries in 14 games for an average of almost 21/game. he started off with 27, 24, and 37 carries in his first 3 games before breaking down. then when he returned to action he was eased back in slowly before finishing strong at the end of the year.during his 2nd year in the league, however, he only got 225 carries in 14 games for an average of 16/game. in that second season, he had 5 games with 12 or fewer carries and he only scored 1 TD. how can a starting RB only get 1 TD in 14 games? awful misuse of talent.That wasn't the case at the beginning of Carnell's career...he was breaking NFL records for production basically due to volume of touches and Gruden's desire to run out the clock in the second half when he was up.I think he's full of it. He used to pull Caddy all the time, whether it be a passing situation or for short yardage/goal line work. I also recall many situations when he completely abandoned the running game in the second half. Drafted the guy that high and then barely used him.gump said:
True...but that team was horrid, with a rookie QB. Not many chances to run out the clock with a lead. Agree on TDs though.Let me ask a question regarding Gruden's feelings on Carnell and Graham: What do you think the firing of RB coach Art Valero says about Gruden's preference at RB? I think it says alot. Graham had a great year from nowhere...but Gruden let his coach go likely because of progress his other RB was not making.yes, during his rookie season. he had 290 carries in 14 games for an average of almost 21/game. he started off with 27, 24, and 37 carries in his first 3 games before breaking down. then when he returned to action he was eased back in slowly before finishing strong at the end of the year.during his 2nd year in the league, however, he only got 225 carries in 14 games for an average of 16/game. in that second season, he had 5 games with 12 or fewer carries and he only scored 1 TD. how can a starting RB only get 1 TD in 14 games? awful misuse of talent.That wasn't the case at the beginning of Carnell's career...he was breaking NFL records for production basically due to volume of touches and Gruden's desire to run out the clock in the second half when he was up.I think he's full of it. He used to pull Caddy all the time, whether it be a passing situation or for short yardage/goal line work. I also recall many situations when he completely abandoned the running game in the second half. Drafted the guy that high and then barely used him.gump said:Ideally he would use 1 back. He actually used the term "robo-back" as what he wanted. That's what Caddy was supposed to be, but as of now he's looking more like a Johnny 5.
Ideally he would use 1 back. He actually used the term "robo-back" as what he wanted. That's what Caddy was supposed to be, but as of now he's looking more like a Johnny 5.
