Caitlin Clark vs Angel Reese - "Burning Heart" in the Desert (1 Viewer)

[HellToupee]

I've seen Clark compared to Jordan, Curry and Lebron. MAKE UP YOUR MIND PEOPLE!!!

You couldn’t squeeze Bird in there?

 

[Gally]

I've seen Clark compared to Jordan, Curry and Lebron. MAKE UP YOUR MIND PEOPLE!!!

You couldn’t squeeze Bird in there?

Or Kareem?

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

I don't think anyone said anything about Kareem

 

[BLOCKED_PUNT]

She'll be the Jordan of the WNBA

is essentially the S Curry

Clark is basically the LeBron of the WNB

with 100% less flopping

 

[Gally]

I don't think anyone said anything about Kareem

It was a joke

 

[Ghost Rider]

If I were Caitlan Clark, I'd be watching my back. Angel Reese seems like a Tonya Harding kind of person.

 

[Acrobat7]

Not being an WNBA fan (or basketball in general) I looked up last years stats (AR and CC were both in the league) and I was surprised that neither of them were the top players in the league at all.

Apparently, A'ja Wilson from the Las Vegas team lead in most categories.

CC only really won on assists, and AR on offensive rebounds. But all other stat categories, only CC was in the top 10 on some of them and AR was no where to be found.

This makes this "rivalry" really stupid IMO. Based on the coverage and smack talk, you would think they were #1/#2 in most stat categories???

This might explain the hype around Clark a bit for people not watching the league (remember, she is two games into her second season):

https://x.com/WNBA/status/1925015288182984877

 

[Harry Frogfish]

I've seen Clark compared to Jordan, Curry and Lebron. MAKE UP YOUR MIND PEOPLE!!!

You couldn’t squeeze Bird in there?

Or Kareem?

Timmy Lincecum, imo.

 

[Harry Manback]

Her NBA stats translate to like a Doncic type player. Very good 3pt shooter, incredible passer, great defender. She can rebound, steal, block. She does it all at a high level.

She's averaging 19.4pts, 8.5 assists, 5.8 rebounds, 1.4 stl and .7 blocks per game. Shooting 35% from 3 and 42% from the floor. I'd put money she'll be the MVP this year.

 

[glvsav37]

I heard a great line about Angel Reese.....She leads the league in "mebounds"

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Her NBA stats translate to like a Doncic type player. Very good 3pt shooter, incredible passer, great defender. She can rebound, steal, block. She does it all at a high level.

She's averaging 19.4pts, 8.5 assists, 5.8 rebounds, 1.4 stl and .7 blocks per game. Shooting 35% from 3 and 42% from the floor. I'd put money she'll be the MVP this year.

Sorry, she’s a Doncic-like player who is a great defender? Does that mean Doncic is a great defender?

Clark is a very smart, active, off-ball defender. She’s very good off ball. On ball she’s average at best.

 

[Max Power]

Reese represents the old guard of the WNBA. I bet she receives a lot of kudos behind the scenes for giving Clark the business.

Without Clarke no one give her a second. She’s probably missing a layup as I’m typing this.

I get it, but it's been pretty well established the veteran WNBA players don't like Clark.

Why is that?

Jealousy of the attention she is getting. In her first season she was the most famous and profitable player in the league.

She's also the best player in the league. She's already tied for 3rd in triple doubles and has only played 50 games. She is going to be the top scorer, top assist maker and probably top 3pt shooter by the time it's said and done. She'll be the Jordan of the WNBA and she's a white girl. That's the issue.

I underestimated how much the media and league care about the race angle. Over the past couple days most of the Clark stories are dealing with race.

She's injured now btw.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Reese represents the old guard of the WNBA. I bet she receives a lot of kudos behind the scenes for giving Clark the business.

Without Clarke no one give her a second. She’s probably missing a layup as I’m typing this.

I get it, but it's been pretty well established the veteran WNBA players don't like Clark.

Why is that?

Jealousy of the attention she is getting. In her first season she was the most famous and profitable player in the league.

She's also the best player in the league. She's already tied for 3rd in triple doubles and has only played 50 games. She is going to be the top scorer, top assist maker and probably top 3pt shooter by the time it's said and done. She'll be the Jordan of the WNBA and she's a white girl. That's the issue.

I underestimated how much the media and league care about the race angle. Over the past couple days most of the Clark stories are dealing with race.

She's injured now btw.

WNBA investigation: Reports of racist fan behavior directed at Angel Reese during Fever-Sky game 'not substantiated'

"We appreciate the quick action by the league and the Indiana Fever to take this matter seriously and to investigate," a statement from the Fever reads.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Mister CIA]

As I was perusing this thread, I noticed the same vague geriatric sensation I get when the medicare supplemental insurance ads kick in during Law and Order reruns.

VAGUE!

 

[Jayrod]

I heard a great line about Angel Reese.....She leads the league in "mebounds"

I just saw this for the first time and giggled for like 3 minutes.

 

[Brunell4MVP]

She'll be the Jordan of the WNBA

is essentially the S Curry

Clark is basically the LeBron of the WNB

with 100% less flopping

Well to be fair, each of us only compared her to one person. I don't agree with the other comps. I will stick by my Curry assessment. Her ball handling and shooting range is undeniable. Her court vision is excellent. But she is mostly irrelevant inside the paint, so not like LeBron. And she nor 99.99% of players in the NBA/WNBA have Jordans killer instinct and drive to win.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Regarding the topic at hand, ESPN has the rights to all women's hoops stuff and this is the best chance women's hoops has had to draw viewers in pretty much ever, by far, so of course they're going to push it and try to make fetch happen.

And people are tuning in. 2.7 million viewers for their game the other night. That's a WNBA regular season game pulling in almost as many viewers as some of the NBA playoff games, which a few years ago would have been so outrageously insane to even think about.

Their biggest problem though is that Angel Reese probably just isn't good enough. The rivalry is going to lose its appeal within the next couple years when people realize it's basically like trying to maintain a rivalry between LeBron James and Andre Iguodala.

This 'rivalry' has always been 90% media driven with social media filling in the narrative with assumptions about things like race and jealousy. It's obviously working (see above). Reese isn't a rival of Clark in the Bird/Magic sense. She's more like a Dennis Rodman support player who rebounds and defends but looks like a giraffe on roller skates trying to score. They happened to both play on good college teams at the same time, had a few epic games against each other in the NCAA tournament and were drafted the same year. That's pretty much where it ends in terms of a comparison or rivalry.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

She'll be the Jordan of the WNBA

is essentially the S Curry

Clark is basically the LeBron of the WNB

with 100% less flopping

Well to be fair, each of us only compared her to one person. I don't agree with the other comps. I will stick by my Curry assessment. Her ball handling and shooting range is undeniable. Her court vision is excellent. But she is mostly irrelevant inside the paint, so not like LeBron. And she nor 99.99% of players in the NBA/WNBA have Jordans killer instinct and drive to win.

I was talking more in the context of her hype coming into the league and what they mean to the league, not playstyle.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Regarding the topic at hand, ESPN has the rights to all women's hoops stuff and this is the best chance women's hoops has had to draw viewers in pretty much ever, by far, so of course they're going to push it and try to make fetch happen.

And people are tuning in. 2.7 million viewers for their game the other night. That's a WNBA regular season game pulling in almost as many viewers as some of the NBA playoff games, which a few years ago would have been so outrageously insane to even think about.

Their biggest problem though is that Angel Reese probably just isn't good enough. The rivalry is going to lose its appeal within the next couple years when people realize it's basically like trying to maintain a rivalry between LeBron James and Andre Iguodala.

Why you gotta do iguodala like that?

 

[Frostillicus]

Her NBA stats translate to like a Doncic type player.

Are you saying she's fat?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

What’s crazy is if Reece would REALLY dedicate herself and just learn to shoot from 3’ in and do daily dribble drills she would be a force.

 

[Navin Johnson]

She'll be the Jordan of the WNBA

is essentially the S Curry

Clark is basically the LeBron of the WNB

with 100% less flopping

Well to be fair, each of us only compared her to one person. I don't agree with the other comps. I will stick by my Curry assessment. Her ball handling and shooting range is undeniable. Her court vision is excellent. But she is mostly irrelevant inside the paint, so not like LeBron. And she nor 99.99% of players in the NBA/WNBA have Jordans killer instinct and drive to win.

She isn't anything like Curry, sans the range. Shooting numbers way too low and handle isn't anywhere close to merit a comparison to SC30.

 

[Max Power]

What’s crazy is if Reece would REALLY dedicate herself and just learn to shoot from 3’ in and do daily dribble drills she would be a force.

She shoots 43% from less than 5ft away from the basket...

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

What’s crazy is if Reece would REALLY dedicate herself and just learn to shoot from 3’ in and do daily dribble drills she would be a force.

She shoots 43% from less than 5ft away from the basket...

That’s crazy.

 

[Harry Manback]

She'll be the Jordan of the WNBA

is essentially the S Curry

Clark is basically the LeBron of the WNB

with 100% less flopping

Well to be fair, each of us only compared her to one person. I don't agree with the other comps. I will stick by my Curry assessment. Her ball handling and shooting range is undeniable. Her court vision is excellent. But she is mostly irrelevant inside the paint, so not like LeBron. And she nor 99.99% of players in the NBA/WNBA have Jordans killer instinct and drive to win.

She isn't anything like Curry, sans the range. Shooting numbers way too low and handle isn't anywhere close to merit a comparison to SC30.

Shooting numbers low relative to what?

 

[Harry Manback]

She shoots 8.9 3s per game. Curry averages 9.3.

She shoots 15 FG per game, curry averaged 18. The NBA games are also longer, and faster paced so obviously there will be more shots. Not sure what you mean "low", percentage? Are you arguing she's not shooting at the same percent as the greatest shooter in history? ok. lol

 

[Harry Manback]

Clark was 12th in FGs attempted, 8th in pts and 1st in 3s attempted and 1st in 3s made last year.

Curry was 7th in FGs attempted, 9th in pts, 1st in 3s attempted and 1st in 3s made.

Feels similar to me.

 

[Navin Johnson]

She shoots 8.9 3s per game. Curry averages 9.3.

She shoots 15 FG per game, curry averaged 18. The NBA games are also longer, and faster paced so obviously there will be more shots. Not sure what you mean "low", percentage? Are you arguing she's not shooting at the same percent as the greatest shooter in history? ok. lol

Counting numbers? Really? She shoots just over 40% (just over 30% on threes.) Are you familiar with what a good shooting percentage number is?

 

[Spartans Rule]

Clark is a lot more Trae Young than Steph Curry. She makes a lot of highlight reel long 3s and pretty passes but she’s reckless and not very efficient. She had 223 TO last year, second most in the league was 145.

It was her rookie year so she’ll probably improve there, but it’s way too soon to call her the WNBA version of Curry or any other NBA legend.

 

[Harry Manback]

She shoots 8.9 3s per game. Curry averages 9.3.

She shoots 15 FG per game, curry averaged 18. The NBA games are also longer, and faster paced so obviously there will be more shots. Not sure what you mean "low", percentage? Are you arguing she's not shooting at the same percent as the greatest shooter in history? ok. lol

Counting numbers? Really? She shoots just over 40% (just over 30% on threes.) Are you familiar with what a good shooting percentage number is?

Are you familiar with the WNBA? Or relativity as a general concept? She shoots 34% on 3s. She was 8th best last year in percentage (among those who had 200+ attempts). Curry was 6th among players with over 500. (again, NBA games are longer, seasons are longer, they shoot more. HTH).

 

[Harry Manback]

She's also a much better passer and rebounder than Curry, so maybe you are arguing she does more/is better?

 

[Navin Johnson]

She's also a much better passer and rebounder than Curry, so maybe you are arguing she does more/is better?

She gets more rebounds, but that is a bit misleading as more of the men's game is above the rim. Her shooting and ball handling aren't even comparable.

 

[Harry Manback]

She's also a much better passer and rebounder than Curry, so maybe you are arguing she does more/is better?

She gets more rebounds, but that is a bit misleading as more of the men's game is above the rim. Her shooting and ball handling aren't even comparable.

Again, obviously she doesn't compare to the greatest mens shooter ever. There is a reason there are different leagues. This is a relative comparison. And relative to HER OWN CLASS, her game is very similar to Steph. That's it. I'm not suggesting she's as good as Steph Curry.

 

[rockaction]

You seem pretty worked up about something you claim not to watch or care about.

It's thrust into your face by ESPN if you tune in for any of the 4 major sports
You can't get away from it, it's advertised like it's an extension of the NBA during the Playoffs when the avg NBA fan wants to tune in
Then you have this cat fight splashed across the media outlets and the instant reaction on social media
You don't have to watch a second to be exposed to it

And your post is an encouragement to not speak up or say what's on the mind of many

Preach. Don’t let people do this to you. It’s the most disingenuous, ********, passive-aggressive way of making an implicit argument without having to invest or risk anything to make the implicit argument you can plausibly deny you’re even making. That’s the first bad-faith part of this tactic. Doing this also puts the spotlight on the emotional state of the original poster no matter how reasonable they might be, which sidesteps the substance of their argument in order to make the OP (who might be calmly bringing up an eminently reasonable point) have to start defending themselves against another passively-aggressive implied point; which is, namely, that the original speaker is not regulating their emotions appropriately; which is a red herring (it’s irrelevant to the argument) that also serves as an attempt to divert the speaker away from the matter at hand and right into a loaded question, which almost always makes our speaker look bad by its very nature.

I instantly dislike people who see fit to argue or act like this. This kind of behavior, which rewards personalizing substantive arguments while passive-aggressively attacking the speaker’s propriety or sanity instead of addressing the issue, is normalized sociopathy and these arguments often tag along with similarly-styled comments that may not be exactly this style, but are born from the same ****ty 2008-2014 internet rebuttals (may they rest in peace forever) made by people who you’ll never miss when they leave.

 

[TennesseeJed]

You seem pretty worked up about something you claim not to watch or care about.

It's thrust into your face by ESPN if you tune in for any of the 4 major sports
You can't get away from it, it's advertised like it's an extension of the NBA during the Playoffs when the avg NBA fan wants to tune in
Then you have this cat fight splashed across the media outlets and the instant reaction on social media
You don't have to watch a second to be exposed to it

And your post is an encouragement to not speak up or say what's on the mind of many

Preach. Don’t let people do this to you. It’s the most disingenuous, ********, passive-aggressive way of making an implicit argument without having to invest or risk anything to make the implicit argument you can plausibly deny you’re even making. Doing this also puts the spotlight on the emotional state of the original poster no matter how reasonable they might be, which totally sidesteps the substance of the argument to make the person (who might be calmly bringing up an eminently reasonable point) have to start defending themselves against another passively-aggressive implied point that the speaker is not regulating their emotions appropriately, which is a red herring and digression that never ends well for the speaker.

I instantly dislike people who see fit to argue or act like this. This kind of behavior, which rewards personalizing substantive arguments while passive-aggressively attacking the speaker’s propriety or sanity instead of addressing the issue, is normalized sociopathy and these arguments often tag along with similarly-styled comments that may not be exactly this style, but are born from the same ****ty 2008-2014 internet rebuttals (may they rest in peace forever) made by people who you’ll never miss when they leave.

The irony of this post is not lost on me.

 

[rockaction]

You seem pretty worked up about something you claim not to watch or care about.

It's thrust into your face by ESPN if you tune in for any of the 4 major sports
You can't get away from it, it's advertised like it's an extension of the NBA during the Playoffs when the avg NBA fan wants to tune in
Then you have this cat fight splashed across the media outlets and the instant reaction on social media
You don't have to watch a second to be exposed to it

And your post is an encouragement to not speak up or say what's on the mind of many

Preach. Don’t let people do this to you. It’s the most disingenuous, ********, passive-aggressive way of making an implicit argument without having to invest or risk anything to make the implicit argument you can plausibly deny you’re even making. Doing this also puts the spotlight on the emotional state of the original poster no matter how reasonable they might be, which totally sidesteps the substance of the argument to make the person (who might be calmly bringing up an eminently reasonable point) have to start defending themselves against another passively-aggressive implied point that the speaker is not regulating their emotions appropriately, which is a red herring and digression that never ends well for the speaker.

I instantly dislike people who see fit to argue or act like this. This kind of behavior, which rewards personalizing substantive arguments while passive-aggressively attacking the speaker’s propriety or sanity instead of addressing the issue, is normalized sociopathy and these arguments often tag along with similarly-styled comments that may not be exactly this style, but are born from the same ****ty 2008-2014 internet rebuttals (may they rest in peace forever) made by people who you’ll never miss when they leave.

The irony of this post is not lost on me

There’s nothing ironic about it and you just did your 2008 sociopathy thing again.

I don’t like the insinuation and I’m pretty damn sure I know what I think about anyone who would attempt to make it. In the future, I’ll have the above saved in case I need to post it again. I think it says a lot about the tactic and the person using it or approving of it.

 

[FarFromHome]

I'm a pro Clark fan. She is the only reason I started to have any interest in the wnba after all this time. I admit it. I'm that guy. Having said that, the Reece hate is a little much. Sure, her in your face, I'm a victim diva act is already old and her lack of coordination when going to the rim is quite laughable. She is a beast in paint. Quite a handful with her size and strength. The problem, is in that today's sports we like pretty. Nothing pretty about the way she plays, just grit. Like a Rodman. Clark on the other hand is beautiful to watch play basketball. She just gets it. All my opinion of course.

 

[Max Power]

Reese has her own Logo and shoe now. She's better for profits than the game.

 

[belljr]

Still have seen zero Reese Clark shoved in my face ... I have remote control