Calvin Johnson Signs! (1 Viewer)

[Anthony Borbely]

I just heard on sports radio here that the Lions have signed Calvin Johnson to a 6 year contract. No terms known at this point. He is at morning practice.

Link to Detroit Free Press article

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Lions sign Johnson

August 3, 2007

The Lions signed wide receiver Calvin Johnson to a six-year contract this morning, and Johnson has just taken the field with his teammates for this morning’s practice at training camp.

Johnson was the second overall pick of this year’s NFL draft and widely considered the best player in the draft. He is expected to make a big impact as a rookie, not just with the balls he catches, but with how his presence opens up things for his teammates.

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While Johnson missed the first eight days of practices, his agent and the Lions negotiated the contract. Talks picked up early this week, but the sides haggled over the structure until the deal finally got done.

Financial terms were not immediately known, but Johnson is likely to have received more than $26 million guaranteed.

More to come.

 

[King of the Jungle]

As Ric Flair would say...........

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[King of the Jungle]

I just heard on sports radio here that the Lions have signed Calvin Johnson to a 6 year contract. No terms known at this point. He is at morning practice.

Link to Detroit Free Press article

The fact that you apparently do not sleep is extremely impressive. Nice work Anthony!!!!*Another thread came out the exact same time.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! Go Calvin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[lebowski]

He better be worth the $$$!

Go Lions!

 

[Challenge Everything]

How many first rounders have now signed? I dont think many of them have so does this begin the domino effect?

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Tony we both posted this news at the same time, please delete my thread if you can. Thanks!

This is GREAT news!!!!!

 

[BustedKnuckles]

How many first rounders have now signed? I dont think many of them have so does this begin the domino effect?

There`s been speculation that J.Russell was waiting for Calvin to sign before him , but after reading what Al Davis said it seems to have nothing to do with that....and it could be awhile before J.R signs.– A few days ago, Kiffin's one-word answer regarding the reason for JaMarcus Russell's absence from training camp was "money."At a press conference Wednesday, Davis said regarding Russell, "It's not money. It's ridiculous."According to Davis the issue is the desire from Russell's camp to put big money into an "option bonus" which he said doesn't allow the team to recoup money in the event of a player who holds out, leaves the team or gets in trouble."Our only problem with the Russell contract is they want all of the money as an option bonus and I will not do that," Davis said.An arbitrator's ruling in favor of wide receiver Ashley Lelie in which he was awarded nearly $900,000 in salary and recinded fines after holding out in Denver has Davis and other owners wary of option bonuses. Lelie did not report Denver after the Broncos traded for Green Bay receiver Javon Walker.Lelie now plays for the 49ers.Davis sounds willing to wait out Russell's agents, Eric Metz and Ethan Lock, until the deal is structured to his liking.Russell's agents have consistently declined all opportunity to comment."They have the first choice they've ever had and they've got to come through with a decent deal otherwise they are done in the market," Davis said.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Unsigned:

JaMarcus Russell

Darrelle Revis

Brady Quinn

Dwayne Bowe

Jon Beason

 

[chidoy]

Hi guys!

I'm gonna use my first post to say..... HOORAY!!

 

[King of the Jungle]

Hi guys!I'm gonna use my first post to say..... HOORAY!!

Welcome aboard!

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Calvin reportedly got $64 million for 6 years, including $27.2 million guaranteed.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

Unsigned: JaMarcus RussellDarrelle RevisBrady QuinnDwayne BoweJon Beason

Bowe likely isn't getting his deal done until Russell's is done. They share the same agent and apparantly that agent is putting Bowe on the back-burner until his big money client's contract is done. There was a pretty big stink about in in KC from what I've heard.Quinn will be the last 1st rounder to sign IMO. He has some delusion that he'd worth MUCH more than what his draft position is slotted at and they're playing chicken right now and waiting for the other side to blink first.Revis and Beason are kinda baffeling to me. I know Revis was projected to start this year, but that ain't gonna happen now.

 

[ImTheScientist]

 

[RudeDog]

Calvin reportedly got $64 million for 6 years, including $27.2 million guaranteed.

 

[mikel0254]

THANK YOU JEBUS!! Don't be confused when you see Chicago under my name...I'm from The D, and have put up with one gut-wrenching season after another from my Lions, and now FINALLY it looks like they are on the up and up. I know I say that EVERY off-season (which is the best time to be a Lion's fan, btw), but this year I mean it!!

GO LIONS!!

 

[amnesiac]

THANK YOU JEBUS!! Don't be confused when you see Chicago under my name...I'm from The D, and have put up with one gut-wrenching season after another from my Lions, and now FINALLY it looks like they are on the up and up. I know I say that EVERY off-season (which is the best time to be a Lion's fan, btw), but this year I mean it!!GO LIONS!!

absolutely. all they needed was a top WR prospect, something they haven't had in a long time.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Per sports radio 1270AM WXYT here, Calvin Johnson practiced with the FIRST team this morning.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Calvin reportedly got $64 million for 6 years, including $27.2 million guaranteed.

These rookie contracts are getting ridiculous. This is a bigger contract than Steve Smiths contract extension he got back in May.

 

[Otis]

Looking forward to the reports from camp...

 

[Jason Wood]

Calvin reportedly got $64 million for 6 years, including $27.2 million guaranteed.

These rookie contracts are getting ridiculous. This is a bigger contract than Steve Smiths contract extension he got back in May.

They actually speak to how healthy the NFL is...there is a defined rookie cap pool and all of these deals fit into that. If I were a studly proven receiver, I would be licking my chops for free agency, because these deals absolutely help make the case for where their negotiations should start.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Lions strike a deal with No. 2 overall pick Johnson

By PFW staff

Aug. 3, 2007

PFW asks associate editor Mike Wilkening for his take on NFL topics of interest.

Lions sign Johnson to six-year deal

The Lions signed No. 2 overall pick Calvin Johnson to a six-year contract on Friday. Terms were not disclosed, but The Detroit Free Press reports Johnson is likely to have received at least $26 million in guarantees. Johnson caught 78 passes for 1,202 yards and 17 touchdowns in his final collegiate season.

With Johnson now in the fold, there are five unsigned first-round picks: QB JaMarcus Russell (No. 1 overall selection, Raiders), CB Darrelle Revis (No. 14, Jets), QB Brady Quinn (No. 22, Browns), WR Dwayne Bowe (No. 23, Chiefs) and LB Jon Beason (No. 25, Panthers).

PFW: What do you expect from Johnson in his first season, and what will his impact be on the Lions' offense?

Wilkening: It would be surprising if Johnson didn't approach, or surpass, 70 catches and 1,000 yards receiving, especially if he plays all 16 games. The Lions attempted 596 passes a season ago, and they're likely to air it out again this season.

It will be interesting to see how defenses defend Johnson and Roy Williams. If Johnson is as good as I think he can be, he's capable of commanding double-teams. We already know Williams (82-1,310-7 in '06) presents matchup problems. So, what do defenses do now that Johnson is lined up outside? I suspect this much: Mike Furrey, coming off a 98-catch season but now likely to be the third receiver, could have a field day operating out of the slot. And think of the spacing the Lions can create for RBs Tatum Bell and Kevin Jones running out of three-WR sets as defenses prepare to stop Johnson and Williams.

It's for all of these reasons why the Lions may be better than expected and perhaps the top competition for the Bears in the NFC North. Of course, questions linger about Detroit's defense, and you can be sure opposing defenses will bring plenty of pressure, with an eye on rattling QB Jon Kitna, but the Lions look like they will have the ability to put the competition on its heels.

 

[jurb26]

My lord is that a lot of money for never playing a single NFL down!

 

[Spartans Rule]

The deal does seem a little pricey, but unlike most players the Lions give huge money to, I fully expect this guy to earn every cent of it.

 

[hutchins929]

John Kittna 360-600 60%completion - 4150yds - 39tds

Roy Williams 85rec - 1100yds - 12tds

Calvin Johnson 75rec - 950yds - 8tds

Mike Furry 80rec - 900yds - 9tds

rest of the WRs 15rec - 150yds - 0tds

TEs 20rec - 150yds - 0tds

RBs 85rec - 900yds - 10tds

 

[SoloMatisse]

wow....$64mil to a rookie WIDE RECEIVER? Youve got to be kidding me! I realize that 64 is an imaginary # that will never be reached, but this kind of # for a rookie at a position that the Lions have selected FOUR of the past 5 years leads me to make one clear and obvious statement that holds true time and time again.......this is EXACTLY what BAD teams do! They sign rookies in the 2 hole at a position that theyve repeatedly made mistakes ons and paid him FAR too much money. This is NOT what good teams do. Good teams do NOT get better by drafting WRs in the first 5 picks and pay them supposedly $60 plus million. Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to him.

jmho, of course.

but hey, great day to be a Lions fan.......youve got your boy signed and in camp......HIP HIP HOORAY!

 

[PantherPower]

Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.

Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.

Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.

youve GOT to be kidding me. Jake Delhomme led his team to a Superbowl. And Steve Smith is an established SUPERSTAR....you wanna try that one again, Chief.

 

[duaneok66]

wow....$64mil to a rookie WIDE RECEIVER? Youve got to be kidding me! I realize that 64 is an imaginary # that will never be reached, but this kind of # for a rookie at a position that the Lions have selected FOUR of the past 5 years leads me to make one clear and obvious statement that holds true time and time again.......this is EXACTLY what BAD teams do! They sign rookies in the 2 hole at a position that theyve repeatedly made mistakes ons and paid him FAR too much money. This is NOT what good teams do. Good teams do NOT get better by drafting WRs in the first 5 picks and pay them supposedly $60 plus million. Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to him. jmho, of course. but hey, great day to be a Lions fan.......youve got your boy signed and in camp......HIP HIP HOORAY!

Kitna is a decent QB, but if even if you DON'T like him, other QBs will be throwing to CJ in his career . . .

 

[Spartans Rule]

Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.

Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.

youve GOT to be kidding me. Jake Delhomme led his team to a Superbowl. And Steve Smith is an established SUPERSTAR....you wanna try that one again, Chief.

Jon Kitna threw for 4200 yards last year, well over Jake Delhomme's career high. Roy Williams put up huge numbers and Mike Furrey's were pretty good too. Regardless of whether you think Kitna can help a team win, we've seen he can help a guy put up numbers. It's just silly to say he's going to hold Calvin back.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him.

Let's see...6 foot 4, 240 pounds, runs a 4.35 40, 45 inch vertical jump, catches everything, runs great routes, will be physically dominant against any DB who covers him, has a great work ethic, great character, and plays for one of the great offensive minds and teachers in the game. He was regarded as not only the best prospect in the draft, but the safest. I'd like to hear even one thing negative about Calvins game.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.

Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.

youve GOT to be kidding me. Jake Delhomme led his team to a Superbowl. And Steve Smith is an established SUPERSTAR....you wanna try that one again, Chief.

Established superstar, come on Chief, Steve Smith has had ONE great year........

 

[SoloMatisse]

wow....$64mil to a rookie WIDE RECEIVER? Youve got to be kidding me! I realize that 64 is an imaginary # that will never be reached, but this kind of # for a rookie at a position that the Lions have selected FOUR of the past 5 years leads me to make one clear and obvious statement that holds true time and time again.......this is EXACTLY what BAD teams do! They sign rookies in the 2 hole at a position that theyve repeatedly made mistakes ons and paid him FAR too much money. This is NOT what good teams do. Good teams do NOT get better by drafting WRs in the first 5 picks and pay them supposedly $60 plus million. Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to him.

jmho, of course.

but hey, great day to be a Lions fan.......youve got your boy signed and in camp......HIP HIP HOORAY!

Kitna is a decent QB, but if even if you DON'T like him, other QBs will be throwing to CJ in his career . . .

other guys....who are those other QBs? Do we know who they'll be? Guys like Drew Stanton?? or QBs that MATT MILLEN brings in??...... Like I said, Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him.....through no real fault of his own. And I use the word 'bust' relative to the all-worldly expecatations that are being place on him. The previous guy just mentioned Steve Smith as a basis of comparison, but Steve Smith is 5'9 and 185 and besides being offically listed as a WR, has nothing in common with Calvin Johnson.

 

[Truman]

Position: Wide ReceiverHeight: 6-2Weight: 202ANALYSISPositives: Has a well-proportioned, muscular frame with tight skin, low body fat, good arm length, tight bubble and nicely developed legs and thighs … Has outstanding quickness in and out of his cuts … Stays active with his hands to escape the jam and is very fluid getting into his routes … Has the ability to easily find the open area and the instincts to know where the pursuit is coming from … Uses his superb acceleration to separate, and while known as a deep threat, he is also effective on underneath routes … Will catch with his hands outside his framework and shows excellent concentration going over the middle … Does a fine job of tracking and locating the ball, using his speed well to stretch the defense … Shows good hip swerve, wiggle and juking moves to make the initial tackler miss … Has the long arms and strength needed to hold up vs. press coverage … Shows great depth in his routes and can sneak up on a defender and separate with his vertical speed … Not shy combating for the ball and will work hard to take the pigskin away from the defender … Has above-average body control to adjust when making over-the-shoulder grabs … Very hard to contain after the catch.Negatives: Drops his hands a bit when breaking patterns … While he maintains eye contact on the ball, his concentration will wander when he is not involved in the play … Will get in the way of defenders, but will not over-exert himself when called upon to block.CAREER NOTESOne of the finest athletes to ever wear a xxxxxx uniform … Consummate team player who is a sensational home-run threat bursting down the sidelines … Emotional leader who can handle hard coaching; he could be the ruler that future pro receivers are measured against

This guy sounded good too.

 

[SoloMatisse]

Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.

Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.

youve GOT to be kidding me. Jake Delhomme led his team to a Superbowl. And Steve Smith is an established SUPERSTAR....you wanna try that one again, Chief.

Established superstar, come on Chief, Steve Smith has had ONE great year........

right, and played on a superbowl team, and is now more or less a top 3 WR in everyone's books, probably including your own.....and the #1 WR in the eyes of many. Do we really need to compare ROOKIES to such players?

 

[jurb26]

Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.

Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.

youve GOT to be kidding me. Jake Delhomme led his team to a Superbowl. And Steve Smith is an established SUPERSTAR....you wanna try that one again, Chief.

Established superstar, come on Chief, Steve Smith has had ONE great year........

right, and played on a superbowl team, and is now more or less a top 3 WR in everyone's books, probably including your own.....and the #1 WR in the eyes of many. Do we really need to compare ROOKIES to such players?

He's Randy Moss with better attitude.....

 

[Anthony Borbely]

wow....$64mil to a rookie WIDE RECEIVER? Youve got to be kidding me! I realize that 64 is an imaginary # that will never be reached, but this kind of # for a rookie at a position that the Lions have selected FOUR of the past 5 years leads me to make one clear and obvious statement that holds true time and time again.......this is EXACTLY what BAD teams do! They sign rookies in the 2 hole at a position that theyve repeatedly made mistakes ons and paid him FAR too much money. This is NOT what good teams do. Good teams do NOT get better by drafting WRs in the first 5 picks and pay them supposedly $60 plus million. Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to him. jmho, of course. but hey, great day to be a Lions fan.......youve got your boy signed and in camp......HIP HIP HOORAY!

 

[SoloMatisse]

Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.

Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.

youve GOT to be kidding me. Jake Delhomme led his team to a Superbowl. And Steve Smith is an established SUPERSTAR....you wanna try that one again, Chief.

Established superstar, come on Chief, Steve Smith has had ONE great year........

right, and played on a superbowl team, and is now more or less a top 3 WR in everyone's books, probably including your own.....and the #1 WR in the eyes of many. Do we really need to compare ROOKIES to such players?

He's Randy Moss with better attitude.....

yep, and Im Robert Deniro, only with a little less talent and a little more attitude. Oh, and I dont live in NY, never starred in the 'Godfather', and my acting coach really sucks. But, I can cuss like a friggin' salior!

 

[jurb26]

Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.

Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.

youve GOT to be kidding me. Jake Delhomme led his team to a Superbowl. And Steve Smith is an established SUPERSTAR....you wanna try that one again, Chief.

Established superstar, come on Chief, Steve Smith has had ONE great year........

right, and played on a superbowl team, and is now more or less a top 3 WR in everyone's books, probably including your own.....and the #1 WR in the eyes of many. Do we really need to compare ROOKIES to such players?

He's Randy Moss with better attitude.....

yep, and Im Robert Deniro, only with a little less talent and a little more attitude. Oh, and I dont live in NY, never starred in the 'Godfather', and my acting coach really sucks. But, I can cuss like a friggin' salior!

 

[tribecalledjeff]

Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.

Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.

youve GOT to be kidding me. Jake Delhomme led his team to a Superbowl. And Steve Smith is an established SUPERSTAR....you wanna try that one again, Chief.

Established superstar, come on Chief, Steve Smith has had ONE great year........

right, and played on a superbowl team, and is now more or less a top 3 WR in everyone's books, probably including your own.....and the #1 WR in the eyes of many. Do we really need to compare ROOKIES to such players?

He's Randy Moss with better attitude.....

yep, and Im Robert Deniro, only with a little less talent and a little more attitude. Oh, and I dont live in NY, never starred in the 'Godfather', and my acting coach really sucks. But, I can cuss like a friggin' salior!

what's a salior?

 

[SoloMatisse]

Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.

Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.

youve GOT to be kidding me. Jake Delhomme led his team to a Superbowl. And Steve Smith is an established SUPERSTAR....you wanna try that one again, Chief.

Established superstar, come on Chief, Steve Smith has had ONE great year........

right, and played on a superbowl team, and is now more or less a top 3 WR in everyone's books, probably including your own.....and the #1 WR in the eyes of many. Do we really need to compare ROOKIES to such players?

He's Randy Moss with better attitude.....

yep, and Im Robert Deniro, only with a little less talent and a little more attitude. Oh, and I dont live in NY, never starred in the 'Godfather', and my acting coach really sucks. But, I can cuss like a friggin' salior!

what's a salior?

salior....that's Mesopotamian for "Journeyman QB on a vagabond team"........

 

[Zigg]

I'll start by saying I think Johnson will be a good pro, but people are getting carried away with physical stats. Big and fast is obviously a great head start, but he had way too many mediocre/bad games to call him a sure thing.

 

[Captain Blowhard]

wow....$64mil to a rookie WIDE RECEIVER? Youve got to be kidding me! I realize that 64 is an imaginary # that will never be reached, but this kind of # for a rookie at a position that the Lions have selected FOUR of the past 5 years leads me to make one clear and obvious statement that holds true time and time again.......this is EXACTLY what BAD teams do! They sign rookies in the 2 hole at a position that theyve repeatedly made mistakes ons and paid him FAR too much money. This is NOT what good teams do. Good teams do NOT get better by drafting WRs in the first 5 picks and pay them supposedly $60 plus million. Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to him. jmho, of course. but hey, great day to be a Lions fan.......youve got your boy signed and in camp......HIP HIP HOORAY!

Every sane person on planet Earth (including scouts, gms, and media) Said the Lions made the right pick at #2.Secondly, the money paid is within the slot for the #2 pick in the draft. The system is the system. Your gripe is with the slot system, not the Lions.Thirdly, if the Lions hadn't been at #2, each of the 29 other teams that had the pick would have picked CJ there--and paid him what the Lions paid him.Class is dismissed. Now run along.

 

[SoloMatisse]

I'll start by saying I think Johnson will be a good pro, but people are getting carried away with physical stats. Big and fast is obviously a great head start, but he had way too many mediocre/bad games to call him a sure thing.

good note, Zig, and I agree with you on how people get so caught up in the obvious measureables of players....Johnson's size is tremendous without question, and speed is never a bad thing. But if we look at the top WRs.....probably Steve Smith, Marvin Harrison, Chad Johnson and Torry Holt....none of those guys has overly impressive measureables like Calvin Johnson. Those guys are all super-quick in and out of breaks and run great routes. I cant see a guy 6'5 and 235 running a route like Marvin Harrison or Torry Holt. TO is the player Johnson has the most in common with physically, but the arguement can be made that its the overbearing attitiude of TO that actually makes him great. I dont see Johnson with that kindof attitiude. There are plenty of WRs around the league that at 6'3 or greater with speed. And none of them are in anyone's top 5 list and none of them got paid $64mil as a friggin' rookie. And the Randy Moss rookie comparison is one that obviously won't go away. But Moss was a guy with major, rare talent and an ENORMOUS chip on his shoulder because he WASNT drafted 2nd overall.

 

[SoloMatisse]

wow....$64mil to a rookie WIDE RECEIVER? Youve got to be kidding me! I realize that 64 is an imaginary # that will never be reached, but this kind of # for a rookie at a position that the Lions have selected FOUR of the past 5 years leads me to make one clear and obvious statement that holds true time and time again.......this is EXACTLY what BAD teams do! They sign rookies in the 2 hole at a position that theyve repeatedly made mistakes ons and paid him FAR too much money. This is NOT what good teams do. Good teams do NOT get better by drafting WRs in the first 5 picks and pay them supposedly $60 plus million. Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to him.

jmho, of course.

but hey, great day to be a Lions fan.......youve got your boy signed and in camp......HIP HIP HOORAY!

Every sane person on planet Earth (including scouts, gms, and media) Said the Lions made the right pick at #2.Secondly, the money paid is within the slot for the #2 pick in the draft. The system is the system. Your gripe is with the slot system, not the Lions.

Thirdly, if the Lions hadn't been at #2, each of the 29 other teams that had the pick would have picked CJ there--and paid him what the Lions paid him.



Class is dismissed. Now run along.

Thanks alot, teach. But I think Ill hang around a minute. I think the herd just wandered off in another direction. Go find it.

 

[King of the Jungle]

I'll start by saying I think Johnson will be a good pro, but people are getting carried away with physical stats. Big and fast is obviously a great head start, but he had way too many mediocre/bad games to call him a sure thing.

Congrats on trying to go against the grain. Bottomline...he was the only offensive threat on his team. He was double/triple teamed every game. He had a well-below average talent at QB throwing him the ball. How he put up the numbers he did in that offense is incredible. If he were just a physical specimen, I could see your point. But he has great hands and run great routes on top of it. No stopping CJ.

 

[Truman]

Position: Wide ReceiverHeight: 6-2Weight: 202ANALYSISPositives: Has a well-proportioned, muscular frame with tight skin, low body fat, good arm length, tight bubble and nicely developed legs and thighs … Has outstanding quickness in and out of his cuts … Stays active with his hands to escape the jam and is very fluid getting into his routes … Has the ability to easily find the open area and the instincts to know where the pursuit is coming from … Uses his superb acceleration to separate, and while known as a deep threat, he is also effective on underneath routes … Will catch with his hands outside his framework and shows excellent concentration going over the middle … Does a fine job of tracking and locating the ball, using his speed well to stretch the defense … Shows good hip swerve, wiggle and juking moves to make the initial tackler miss … Has the long arms and strength needed to hold up vs. press coverage … Shows great depth in his routes and can sneak up on a defender and separate with his vertical speed … Not shy combating for the ball and will work hard to take the pigskin away from the defender … Has above-average body control to adjust when making over-the-shoulder grabs … Very hard to contain after the catch.Negatives: Drops his hands a bit when breaking patterns … While he maintains eye contact on the ball, his concentration will wander when he is not involved in the play … Will get in the way of defenders, but will not over-exert himself when called upon to block.CAREER NOTESOne of the finest athletes to ever wear a xxxxxx uniform … Consummate team player who is a sensational home-run threat bursting down the sidelines … Emotional leader who can handle hard coaching; he could be the ruler that future pro receivers are measured against

This guy sounded good too.

What's the difference?

 

[SoloMatisse]

I'll start by saying I think Johnson will be a good pro, but people are getting carried away with physical stats. Big and fast is obviously a great head start, but he had way too many mediocre/bad games to call him a sure thing.

Congrats on trying to go against the grain. Bottomline...he was the only offensive threat on his team. He was double/triple teamed every game. He had a well-below average talent at QB throwing him the ball. How he put up the numbers he did in that offense is incredible. If he were just a physical specimen, I could see your point. But he has great hands and run great routes on top of it. No stopping CJ.

nice picture of Calvin there in your profile, by the way. Im sure there's no bias to be found here.....

 

[Jason Wood]

Mark me down as someone who officially says Calvin Johnson has BUST written all over him. But Ill reserve judgement if this team actually drafts or trades for a franchise QB over the next few years. Because Calvin Johnson's potential will NEVER be realized with the likes of Jon Kitna throwing the ball to them.

Steve Smith hasn't done too bad over the years with a very average QB in Delhomme throwing him the ball. AJ did pretty well with a poor QB in Carr. I think Kitna will have no problems throwing the ball up to the biggest, fastest, and strongest player on the field during most Sundays.

youve GOT to be kidding me. Jake Delhomme led his team to a Superbowl. And Steve Smith is an established SUPERSTAR....you wanna try that one again, Chief.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl, so have Jeff Hostetler and Brad Johnson. Rex Grossman led his team to a Super Bowl last year. One Super Bowl appearance hardly equate to greatness or, frankly, goodness. Jake Delhomme may be considered above average, but he's not an elite passer by any stretch, and there's been nothing out of Panthers camp to suggest he's not in a "show me" year that could easily see him replaced by David Carr at some juncture.

 

[The Jerminator]

Position: Wide ReceiverHeight: 6-2Weight: 202ANALYSISPositives: Has a well-proportioned, muscular frame with tight skin, low body fat, good arm length, tight bubble and nicely developed legs and thighs … Has outstanding quickness in and out of his cuts … Stays active with his hands to escape the jam and is very fluid getting into his routes … Has the ability to easily find the open area and the instincts to know where the pursuit is coming from … Uses his superb acceleration to separate, and while known as a deep threat, he is also effective on underneath routes … Will catch with his hands outside his framework and shows excellent concentration going over the middle … Does a fine job of tracking and locating the ball, using his speed well to stretch the defense … Shows good hip swerve, wiggle and juking moves to make the initial tackler miss … Has the long arms and strength needed to hold up vs. press coverage … Shows great depth in his routes and can sneak up on a defender and separate with his vertical speed … Not shy combating for the ball and will work hard to take the pigskin away from the defender … Has above-average body control to adjust when making over-the-shoulder grabs … Very hard to contain after the catch.Negatives: Drops his hands a bit when breaking patterns … While he maintains eye contact on the ball, his concentration will wander when he is not involved in the play … Will get in the way of defenders, but will not over-exert himself when called upon to block.CAREER NOTESOne of the finest athletes to ever wear a xxxxxx uniform … Consummate team player who is a sensational home-run threat bursting down the sidelines … Emotional leader who can handle hard coaching; he could be the ruler that future pro receivers are measured against

This guy sounded good too.

What's the difference?

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