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it would have been better for Calvin if Chris had said something like he has merely had a lucky month. I hope Calvin from Stafford goes for 5 TD's on MNF. How many games in a row is Calvin going to get 2+ TD's? Can he do it all year long? As crazy as it sounds.. why not?
Jurb:Are you just watching the highlights of the TDs? I'd agree on the first one that Calvin was only doubled. The third guy showed up after he made the catch. When the Lions are on the goalline it's extremely difficult for a defense to keep a corner and safety on a WR. It opens up the middle of the field way too much. Dallas was still doubling him when he was on the short side of the field. The Lions adjusted and moved him to the other side to open up the fade for the TD.It does happen, but Calvin rarely if ever sees single coverage between the 20s. There is always a safety rolled into his area of the field, and it continued against Dallas. Stafford will go to Calvin 100% of the time when he sees single coverage. The deep ball down the sideline Stafford overthrew looked like single coverage, but you could tell the corner was like "wtf" after they play wondering where his help was.
With Best doing just about nothing, what kind of defense against the Lions lets the CB freely let Johnson go to the safety who doesn't even come close to getting there. Johnson is a stud, but geez, how you can let that happen is beyond me. When they show the replay, there were 5 Bears in the area just below the catch and no one was close to him. The Lions have 14 offensive TDs and Johnson has 9. I can understand having issues with him at the goal line, but to let him run free for a 73 yard bomb is just awful defense.
You'll have 2 worn out LBs and a schizophrenic CB at the end of the game.
I guess that's 5 awful defenses then...
I guess that's 5 awful defenses then...
Don't get your panties in a wad. I said he is a stud. I said he is great on the goal line. I also said that it is awful defense to let him just blow by the corner and hope you can cover him with a safety who wasn't close to being there. That is an awful defensive play. Did you think it was solid defense and a good coverage play on Johnson? Sorry to get you all defensive about your guy.
Not really, though I needed it for a win. If he played for the Pats instead.....possibly...
Yes. Was kind of bummed they didn't even try to keep his streak going but then again it probably doesn't matter to them.
I was to bad, I was a little upset also. I think Calvin is so excited to be winning now the TDs are just gravy lol
and a whole lot of 5 yard automatic first down holding penalties on those 2 LBs as they try to stop Megatron flying by them.
The only guy on either team that could keep up with Calvin is Hester - and do you think he's going to stop him from catching a perfectly thrown ball? There simply IS no defense that can stop him all game long. He's too big, too fast, and too strong - and Stafford has an incredible arm and on that play was given all day to throw. I don't know what you expect them to have done, but as we've seen, it doesn't really matter if there are 1 or 4 guys on him - none of them can go up like he can to get the ball. With a real QB he's simply uncoverable.I guess that's 5 awful defenses then...
Was hoping for it - not for fantasy reasons, but just to see him get 10 in 5 games...and to rub it in to the Bears a bit considering the whole "completing the process" BS last year. Would have been nice to give him a chance to catch one in the endzone and have some fun with the celebration.
Man, you Lions fans get defensive. All I pointed out was that it was an awful defensive play. Letting him be single covered by a safety who didn't even have a chance to catch up to him is just a stupid call. He is ridiculously good. I am not even saying you can contain him. I am saying putting him one on one with a safety is just plain dumb. If I am a DC, I am doubling him on every play. He will still get catches, short TDs and maybe breaks one, but no way you hope the safety can keep up with him. Make him make a great play, don't let him just blow by you and catch a ball easily 50 yards down the field. It was funny to watch the replay from the line of scrimmage and see a handful of Bears just watching him run it in for a TD. There were no Lions, so all those Bears were probably 20-30+ yards downfield.The only guy on either team that could keep up with Calvin is Hester - and do you think he's going to stop him from catching a perfectly thrown ball? There simply IS no defense that can stop him all game long. He's too big, too fast, and too strong - and Stafford has an incredible arm and on that play was given all day to throw. I don't know what you expect them to have done, but as we've seen, it doesn't really matter if there are 1 or 4 guys on him - none of them can go up like he can to get the ball. With a real QB he's simply uncoverable.I guess that's 5 awful defenses then...
It WAS a very poor defensive play, but the Bears were attempting to double-cover him. Calvin just made it look ridiculously easy.'stbugs said:Man, you Lions fans get defensive. All I pointed out was that it was an awful defensive play. Letting him be single covered by a safety who didn't even have a chance to catch up to him is just a stupid call. He is ridiculously good. I am not even saying you can contain him. I am saying putting him one on one with a safety is just plain dumb. If I am a DC, I am doubling him on every play. He will still get catches, short TDs and maybe breaks one, but no way you hope the safety can keep up with him. Make him make a great play, don't let him just blow by you and catch a ball easily 50 yards down the field. It was funny to watch the replay from the line of scrimmage and see a handful of Bears just watching him run it in for a TD. There were no Lions, so all those Bears were probably 20-30+ yards downfield.'MSULions said:The only guy on either team that could keep up with Calvin is Hester - and do you think he's going to stop him from catching a perfectly thrown ball? There simply IS no defense that can stop him all game long. He's too big, too fast, and too strong - and Stafford has an incredible arm and on that play was given all day to throw. I don't know what you expect them to have done, but as we've seen, it doesn't really matter if there are 1 or 4 guys on him - none of them can go up like he can to get the ball. With a real QB he's simply uncoverable.'stbugs said:'hutchins929 said:I guess that's 5 awful defenses then...'stbugs said:
Not that I want to continue this, but how was it a double team? The CB (Tillman) let him go to the safety (#46 I think) and stayed short. I am pretty sure from the replay that there was another Lions received in the flat on his side. The other safety came over after the pass was in the air. He only had the one safety "covering" him.It WAS a very poor defensive play, but the Bears were attempting to double-cover him. Calvin just made it look ridiculously easy.'stbugs said:Man, you Lions fans get defensive. All I pointed out was that it was an awful defensive play. Letting him be single covered by a safety who didn't even have a chance to catch up to him is just a stupid call. He is ridiculously good. I am not even saying you can contain him. I am saying putting him one on one with a safety is just plain dumb. If I am a DC, I am doubling him on every play. He will still get catches, short TDs and maybe breaks one, but no way you hope the safety can keep up with him. Make him make a great play, don't let him just blow by you and catch a ball easily 50 yards down the field. It was funny to watch the replay from the line of scrimmage and see a handful of Bears just watching him run it in for a TD. There were no Lions, so all those Bears were probably 20-30+ yards downfield.'MSULions said:The only guy on either team that could keep up with Calvin is Hester - and do you think he's going to stop him from catching a perfectly thrown ball? There simply IS no defense that can stop him all game long. He's too big, too fast, and too strong - and Stafford has an incredible arm and on that play was given all day to throw. I don't know what you expect them to have done, but as we've seen, it doesn't really matter if there are 1 or 4 guys on him - none of them can go up like he can to get the ball. With a real QB he's simply uncoverable.'stbugs said:'hutchins929 said:I guess that's 5 awful defenses then...'stbugs said:
Would have been the worst thing since Pisarcik if they did that, it turned into a Chicago defensive TD and they proceeded to lose the game. That's the type of thing that takes all your momentum away - for the season. They played it correctly to seal the win.'Ministry of Pain said:
I've watched 3 games in their entirety. I'm not seeing the consistent doubling that you are. As a matter of fact I think the commentators even commented on how Dal was not doubling him either. They said something to the effect of "well Ryan was true to his word about not not doubling Johnson." I don't consider playing a cover 2 zone where a CB is releasing the WR to the Safety based on scheme double coverage. Just because that guy lines up over him and passes him onto the S that doesn't mean that it is double coverage. I think it's the opposite, people only watching the highlights get the impression he is always doubled.
That is exactly what I saw. On the TD play, Tillman barely moved because the Lions sent another WR to the right. The only reason you saw the two guys near him was that the pass was 50+ yards in the air so the other safety had time to run towards the play. Single coverage by a safety when you don't even impede him off the line seems like playing with fire.
The Bears were in a cover 2 last night on the TD. Calvin simply ran by the corner and then put a nasty outside-in move on the safety. You can say it was bad defense, but there isn't much else they could have done. Perfect route, perfect throw. The offense usually wins those.Teams may not be specifically doubling Johnson on every single play with their assignments, but he rarely faces true single coverage. The way Calvin is playing right now I don't see how anyone can argue that he doesn't have the undivided attention of the opposing secondary.Why do you think Jahvid Best was facing 6 men in the box for both of his big breakout runs?
Well, there is no doubt that teams are going to start paying more attention to Calvin moving forward IMO. I'm not trying to say he is being ignored or is in single coverage all the time. Only that there seems to be misconception that he is facing double coverage almost all of the time. That simply isn't the case. I agree with you that Chi was starting to cheat in the passing game and that lead to Best gashing them. Their Safeties were bailing out deep without taking reads after being burnt on the 73 yd pass. What made it worse was that Chi took awful angles to the ball and their LBs seemed out of position a lot as well. When you play on your heals the way Chi did, you get gashed in the run game.
This is my point. Randy Moss forced teams to change the way they played D and game planned. Calvin isn't seeing that type of attention. At least not yet. It was said earlier that Calvin is seeing the same kind of coverage Moss did in his prime. It's simply not so. There are many ways to double a guy without completely changing your defensive philosophy or at least provide help within a scheme. I think far too many people see the highlight of Calvin jumping over 3 guys and assume the whole game is him getting double coverage. That is all. Of course it's unrealistic for us to expect Chi to change from their traditional cover 2 system to a man cover 2 or man cover 1 just because of one player. Let's not go and say he is getting doubled all game though because he is running through normal zone coverages any other player would have to as well though.
He was putting up crazy numbers, they had nowhere to go but down.10 TDs through 7 games and the #1 WR in fantasy football.
Um, it's safe to say he is still putting up "crazy numbers". I don't think he will get there, but it will be close.He was putting up crazy numbers, they had nowhere to go but down.10 TDs through 7 games and the #1 WR in fantasy football.
He's not at the touchdown level he was early in the season, but yeah, he is awesome.'Louisville Slugger said:Um, it's safe to say he is still putting up "crazy numbers". I don't think he will get there, but it will be close.'nysportsfan said:He was putting up crazy numbers, they had nowhere to go but down.'Grahamburn said:10 TDs through 7 games and the #1 WR in fantasy football.
Hill's not as good obviously, but he might target CJ even more.
Calvin actually had better career numbers with Shaun Hill under center heading into the season. That's obviously not the case anymore, but Hill shouldn't hurt his stats too much. It sounds like Stafford's injury isn't too serious. Hopefully we don't have to worry about it.
Wouldn't be concerned in the least. Hill will chuck it to Calvin if he's in there.
Well, that didn't work either. Leave Titus Young alone behind the entire defense, and Calvin still goes 100+ and a score.
Yeah, but at least they shut down Calvin on that particular play.'Cookiemonster said:Well, that didn't work either. Leave Titus Young alone behind the entire defense, and Calvin still goes 100+ and a score.
He actually has scored 12 TD's. This one from yesterday wasn't counted: http://bit.ly/rvzruy'BobbyLayne said:
It's a shame the replay cameras didn't have as good of an angle.
It wasn't a TD. I own Megatron in 2 leagues and wanted him to score just as badly. But before that shot, his elbow touched the ground JUST before the ball crossed.
The replay was inconclusive because the angle was bad. If it had been ruled a TD, that call would've been upheld as well. When I saw it live, I assumed he was down. But it looked a lot closer in the replays.
Hmmm, Calvin on BYE vs. MWTB @ Saints.... Strong lean to Calvin
