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Cam and Vince are both mental midgets.RG3 is the exact opposite.
Cam and Vince are both mental midgets.RG3 is the exact opposite.
Waldman didn't write it, can't remember who did. I thought it was awful. Just don't want Waldman's name to be tied to it, when it wasn't him.FWIW, Matt Waldman wrote an article a week or two ago about how RGIII has been staring down his receivers and how that might catch up with him. That said, he's put up outstanding passing numbers so far and was thought to be a much more polished passer than Newton when he came out of college.
Ah yeah, it was Nathan Miller on Waldman's site: http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/10/15/robert-griffin-iii-first-ballot-inductee-not-so-fast/Waldman didn't write it, can't remember who did. I thought it was awful. Just don't want Waldman's name to be tied to it, when it wasn't him.
no. he's white.For S&G's can we slide Tebow into this equation? TIAI fought the fight against Young in his rookie year when many were crowning him. I think Cam is a lot better QB than Young and RG3 shouldn't even be part of the discussion.RG3>>>Cam>>>>>>Young
Something tell me they could dance circles around most of their peers, however.I'll bet none of those guys could run a marathon
Or swim.I'll bet none of those guys could run a marathon
Lets not forget that Newton had the best rookie season ever, a year ago. A slow start with poor support around him, doesn't change the fact that there isn't another young QB who's a different breed than Newton, in term of potential.But you're right about RG3: he is a special player and being used perfectly.RG3 is a different breed. As an Eagles fan, I've been watching a lot of him on Red Zone this year and he scares me. All the athletic ability of vick when he came out but he also has the prowess of a pocket passer. He can read a defense and knows where to go with the football. It's ridiculous how good he looks from a passing perspective in his rookie year. Redskins look scary going forward all because of him. Totally worth 3 first rounders.
As a Seattle guy I liked Moon as a player..... but he is an idiot sometimes. He is one of those guys that LOVES to pull the race card anytime he can. I would say by always claiming racism he is a racist himself.Warren Moon thinks a lot of folks in this thread are racisthttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/23/moon-thinks-criticism-of-newton-is-off-base-possibly-racist/
A black guy raised in the 60's is racist becuase he thinks it is possible that African Americans can be treated differently in America?As a Seattle guy I liked Moon as a player..... but he is an idiot sometimes. He is one of those guys that LOVES to pull the race card anytime he can. I would say by always claiming racism he is a racist himself.
Newton is a metal midget....lets not forget that either. RG3 is the total package, the only thing Newton has on RG3 is a little more size. You could offer me 3 first rounders and Newton...... I would still hold onto RG3.Lets not forget that Newton had the best rookie season ever, a year ago. A slow start with poor support around him, doesn't change the fact that there isn't another young QB who's a different breed than Newton, in term of potential.But you're right about RG3: he is a special player and being used perfectly.RG3 is a different breed. As an Eagles fan, I've been watching a lot of him on Red Zone this year and he scares me. All the athletic ability of vick when he came out but he also has the prowess of a pocket passer. He can read a defense and knows where to go with the football. It's ridiculous how good he looks from a passing perspective in his rookie year. Redskins look scary going forward all because of him. Totally worth 3 first rounders.
With what he has been able to do with adversity around him - I'll take that kind of mental midget. Win me football games, and I don't care what people think about you chewing gum, putting a towel over your head, pulling an Aaron Rodgers every time you run it in, smile for the camera...And, take it how you want, I wouldn't accept your definition of what is and isn't mentally viable.Newton is a metal midget....lets not forget that either. RG3 is the total package, the only thing Newton has on RG3 is a little more size. You could offer me 3 first rounders and Newton...... I would still hold onto RG3.
Its 2012, we have an African American president. We treat Jay Cutler like #### but nobody says he's being treated that way because he is white...they just say he is an idiot. The idea that race has ANYTHING to do with the way Newton is treated is ignorant on Moon's part. Do you agree with Moon or are you just arguing to argue? If so who or which media outlets are racist? Most of them seem pro-Obama to me.If you act like a tool after every loss you will get killed in the media regardless of race.A black guy raised in the 60's is racist becuase he thinks it is possible that African Americans can be treated differently in America?As a Seattle guy I liked Moon as a player..... but he is an idiot sometimes. He is one of those guys that LOVES to pull the race card anytime he can. I would say by always claiming racism he is a racist himself.
I don't know if any of it has to do with race or not. I agree that Newton is held to a different set of standards, but then so are non-black polarizing people. But I can't go inside the heads of those writing about Newton. And the fact that our president is half black hardly means racism is dead. It's not. And I didn't call, nor did Moon, any media outlet racist.And call it ignorant - fine. But I am not going to go around labeling those most affected by racism, racist themselves, for having their view's altered by their circumstances.Its 2012, we have an African American president. We treat Jay Cutler like #### but nobody says he's being treated that way because he is white...they just say he is an idiot. The idea that race has ANYTHING to do with the way Newton is treated is ignorant on Moon's part. Do you agree with Moon or are you just arguing to argue? If so who or which media outlets are racist? Most of them seem pro-Obama to me.
The racial paradox argument is a lazy man's argument and a common logical fallacyAs a Seattle guy I liked Moon as a player..... but he is an idiot sometimes. He is one of those guys that LOVES to pull the race card anytime he can. I would say by always claiming racism he is a racist himself.Warren Moon thinks a lot of folks in this thread are racist
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/23/moon-thinks-criticism-of-newton-is-off-base-possibly-racist/
No surprise here but you clearly didn't read the article.Moon is complaining that Cam is drawing Vince comparisons when he should be drawing Jay Cutler comparisonsIts 2012, we have an African American president. We treat Jay Cutler like #### but nobody says he's being treated that way because he is white...they just say he is an idiot. The idea that race has ANYTHING to do with the way Newton is treated is ignorant on Moon's part. Do you agree with Moon or are you just arguing to argue? If so who or which media outlets are racist? Most of them seem pro-Obama to me.If you act like a tool after every loss you will get killed in the media regardless of race.A black guy raised in the 60's is racist becuase he thinks it is possible that African Americans can be treated differently in America?As a Seattle guy I liked Moon as a player..... but he is an idiot sometimes. He is one of those guys that LOVES to pull the race card anytime he can. I would say by always claiming racism he is a racist himself.
"I heard somebody compare him to Vince Young. It’s the same old crap – it’s always a comparison of one black to another black. I get tired of it. I get tired of defending it"No surprise here but you clearly didn't read the article.Moon is complaining that Cam is drawing Vince comparisons when he should be drawing Jay Cutler comparisonsIts 2012, we have an African American president. We treat Jay Cutler like #### but nobody says he's being treated that way because he is white...they just say he is an idiot. The idea that race has ANYTHING to do with the way Newton is treated is ignorant on Moon's part. Do you agree with Moon or are you just arguing to argue? If so who or which media outlets are racist? Most of them seem pro-Obama to me.If you act like a tool after every loss you will get killed in the media regardless of race.A black guy raised in the 60's is racist becuase he thinks it is possible that African Americans can be treated differently in America?As a Seattle guy I liked Moon as a player..... but he is an idiot sometimes. He is one of those guys that LOVES to pull the race card anytime he can. I would say by always claiming racism he is a racist himself.
Moon said that?! I take it back; he is clearly racist."I heard somebody compare him to Vince Young. It’s the same old crap – it’s always a comparison of one black to another black. I get tired of it. I get tired of defending it"
I know you are being sarcastic but Moon likes to say things like that. http://tinyurl.com/9leeu7mMoon said that?! I take it back; he is clearly racist."I heard somebody compare him to Vince Young. It’s the same old crap – it’s always a comparison of one black to another black. I get tired of it. I get tired of defending it"
And that is without rushing stats, which can't be ignored. But, you have to admit, they don't chew gum or sit on the sideline with towels on their heads. Only the mentally weak do that.Here are some numbers to put Cam's supposed 'bust' year in perspectiveCam's 2nd yearYPG 231.2, Comp 58.4%, YPA 8, TD 2.9%, Int 3.5%, Rat 79.3Matt Ryan's 2nd yearYPG 208.3, Comp 58.3%, YPA 6.5, TD 4.9%, Int 3.1%, Rat 80.9Eli Manning's 4th yearYPG 208.5, Comp 56.1%, YPA 6.3, TD 4.3%, Int 3.8%, Rat 73.9Roethlisberger's 3rd yearYPG 234.2, Comp 59.7%, YPA 6.1, TD 3.8%, Int 4.9%, Rat 75.4Drew Brees 2nd year as starterYPG 191.6, Comp 57.6%, YPA 5.9, TD 3.1%, Int 4.2%, Rat 67.5
Because he is a hateful racist. Of course he says things like this. It's who he is, and it's wrong. Hurtful and wrong. On a serious note: it's the same subject and conversation. A black QB who was subjected to stereotypes feels he sees it being repeated - feels Newton is going through some of the same things he went through. The issue here is?I know you are being sarcastic but Moon likes to say things like that. http://tinyurl.com/9leeu7mMoon said that?! I take it back; he is clearly racist."I heard somebody compare him to Vince Young. It’s the same old crap – it’s always a comparison of one black to another black. I get tired of it. I get tired of defending it"
W/L records were also missing from that list. The dude just doesn't come across as a leader if men. Has nothing to do with his stats or his race, it has everything to do with the way he portrays himself. It's Cams world and Carolina fans are stuck in it...unfortunately. Just make you cheer loudly for him next time he runs one in and does his Superman pose, down by 4 scores....otherwise you are racist'Concept Coop said:But, you have to admit, they don't chew gum or sit on the sideline with towels on their heads. Only the mentally weak do that.
Nobody here has called anyone racist, or suggested it, even - lets make that clear.A second bit of information you are missing: The Panthers were down 15, after scoring on their first opportunity to do so in the 2nd half, when Cam took flack for celebrating. His teammate, Steve Smith, celebrated a 40 yard catch, later on in the 4th, when the game was truly out of hand - nobody seems to care about that. Now, on to the good points you made: W-L record does matter, but more so later on during a players career. Is it truly realistic to expect a 2nd year player to be responsible for winning game against better coached teams with more talent?He might not be a leader of men, but if he wins games, the locker room will follow. Again, Eli and even more so, Big Ben were called out for lack of leadership early on. Neither are leaders of men, the way Tom Brady is, yet, they are in the top 5-7 "leaders" at the QB position today. Why? Becuase they have rings. This is the first season in which Newton retained teammates since high school.W/L records were also missing from that list. The dude just doesn't come across as a leader if men. Has nothing to do with his stats or his race, it has everything to do with the way he portrays himself. It's Cams world and Carolina fans are stuck in it...unfortunately. Just make you cheer loudly for him next time he runs one in and does his Superman pose, down by 4 scores....otherwise you are racist'Concept Coop said:But, you have to admit, they don't chew gum or sit on the sideline with towels on their heads. Only the mentally weak do that.
white quarterbacks talk like this, while black quarterbacks talk like *this*
I think it deserves a sig.white quarterbacks talk like this, while black quarterbacks talk like *this*
Earth-to-Coop, Earth-to-Coop.....nobody cares about WR's or what they do, the league is all about the Quarterback.Nobody here has called anyone racist, or suggested it, even - lets make that clear.A second bit of information you are missing: The Panthers were down 15, after scoring on their first opportunity to do so in the 2nd half, when Cam took flack for celebrating. His teammate, Steve Smith, celebrated a 40 yard catch, later on in the 4th, when the game was truly out of hand - nobody seems to care about that. Now, on to the good points you made: W-L record does matter, but more so later on during a players career. Is it truly realistic to expect a 2nd year player to be responsible for winning game against better coached teams with more talent?He might not be a leader of men, but if he wins games, the locker room will follow. Again, Eli and even more so, Big Ben were called out for lack of leadership early on. Neither are leaders of men, the way Tom Brady is, yet, they are in the top 5-7 "leaders" at the QB position today. Why? Becuase they have rings. This is the first season in which Newton retained teammates since high school.W/L records were also missing from that list. The dude just doesn't come across as a leader if men. Has nothing to do with his stats or his race, it has everything to do with the way he portrays himself. It's Cams world and Carolina fans are stuck in it...unfortunately. Just make you cheer loudly for him next time he runs one in and does his Superman pose, down by 4 scores....otherwise you are racist'Concept Coop said:But, you have to admit, they don't chew gum or sit on the sideline with towels on their heads. Only the mentally weak do that.
Mental midget, you say?Earth-to-Coop, Earth-to-Coop.....
i'm pretty sure warren moon did -- or mcnabb, or whoever that was.Nobody here has called anyone racist, or suggested it, even - lets make that clear.
A second bit of information you are missing: The Panthers were down 15, after scoring on their first opportunity to do so in the 2nd half, when Cam took flack for celebrating. His teammate, Steve Smith, celebrated a 40 yard catch, later on in the 4th, when the game was truly out of hand - nobody seems to care about that.
Now, on to the good points you made: W-L record does matter, but more so later on during a players career. Is it truly realistic to expect a 2nd year player to be responsible for winning game against better coached teams with more talent?
He might not be a leader of men, but if he wins games, the locker room will follow. Again, Eli and even more so, Big Ben were called out for lack of leadership early on. Neither are leaders of men, the way Tom Brady is, yet, they are in the top 5-7 "leaders" at the QB position today. Why? Becuase they have rings.
This is the first season in which Newton retained teammates since high school.
"One of those black guys said it."Please tell me more about mental midgets.i'm pretty sure warren moon did -- or mcnabb, or whoever that was.
Ryan Leaf."One of those black guys said it."Please tell me more about mental midgets.i'm pretty sure warren moon did -- or mcnabb, or whoever that was.