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Cameron Meredith - WR - NE Patriots (1 Viewer)

@SaintsInDome2006 playing the long game here. Firing up a Meredith thread with the hopes the karma would eventually send him to the Saints finally pays off.

If he's healthy and doesn't lose a step from the ACL (and modern medicine has really improved ACL recoveries), this could be interesting from both a a fantasy and NFL perspective.

 
Hankmoody said:
Because they can't offer him two years.
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Once he signed the 1 year $2.9m deal for a 2nd round tender they could offer him whatever they wanted. 

Alex P Keaton said:
Because this way a) they let the market set the price, b) he won't have any lingering doubts about whether the team was low-balling him
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Market setting his price is a 2 edged sword, though. It seems like a team could easily offer him something where the bears would have preferred the 1 year $2.9m deal over the tender they have the option to match. Maybe that didn't happen here, as Hank pointed out the offer is piddly. I just think it's more risk than it's worth in general that something happens similar to the CJA situation a few years ago.

It's possible Meredith wouldn't have signed that deal without shopping around, but generally having more bidders is good for the player, not the team. And if he wouldn't, then you get a year at $2.9m to see how healthy he is and negotiate.

 
jtd13 said:
Once he signed the 1 year $2.9m deal for a 2nd round tender they could offer him whatever they wanted. 

Market setting his price is a 2 edged sword, though. It seems like a team could easily offer him something where the bears would have preferred the 1 year $2.9m deal over the tender they have the option to match. Maybe that didn't happen here, as Hank pointed out the offer is piddly. I just think it's more risk than it's worth in general that something happens similar to the CJA situation a few years ago.

It's possible Meredith wouldn't have signed that deal without shopping around, but generally having more bidders is good for the player, not the team. And if he wouldn't, then you get a year at $2.9m to see how healthy he is and negotiate.
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Yes, but they didn't have hindsight to know what he would accept.  Now they do, and that's why they did it.  They don't get this lowball offer if they put a 2nd round price tag on him and they would be back next year with him as a UFA and the Franchise Tag being their only leverage. 

He also likely wouldn't have accepted this offer from the Bears without having tested the market first.  Now he knows this is the best the market returns at this time so he's able to sign it feeling good about it.

 
I may be misunderstanding the process but I always thought that signing the tender offer was agreeing to a contract, not the start of the process of shopping for a better one. I thought that when the team uses the tender that is a league move - in this case announcing they have the right to match any offer for their restricted free agent, or like in the case where the chargers tendered Tyrell Williams at a second round level, they had to offer him a bigger contract but it also puts the league on notice that of they want to sign Williams it will cost them a second round pick and the chargers can still match if they want. 

Maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Meredith didn't sign his tender, he just has it available to him as a minimum offer while he shops around.  He's still a free agent, just with restrictions. 

 
bostonfred said:
I may be misunderstanding the process but I always thought that signing the tender offer was agreeing to a contract, not the start of the process of shopping for a better one. I thought that when the team uses the tender that is a league move - in this case announcing they have the right to match any offer for their restricted free agent, or like in the case where the chargers tendered Tyrell Williams at a second round level, they had to offer him a bigger contract but it also puts the league on notice that of they want to sign Williams it will cost them a second round pick and the chargers can still match if they want. 

Maybe I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Meredith didn't sign his tender, he just has it available to him as a minimum offer while he shops around.  He's still a free agent, just with restrictions. 
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This is how I understand it as well.

 
I totally disagree about people thinking Chicago played this well. They screwed up, IMO.

Absolutely no way the Bears expected anyone to offer Meredith that kind of money (despite it being a modest contract). There's a lot of ways to spin it, but in short, they underestimated other team's interest in Meredith & they will now pay for it either way (whether they match the offer or not).

 
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Football Jones said:
I totally disagree about people thinking Chicago played this well. They screwed up, IMO.

Absolutely no way the Bears expected anyone to offer Meredith that kind of money (despite it being a modest contract). There's a lot of ways to spin it, but in short, they underestimated other team's interest in Meredith & they will now pay for it either way (whether they match the offer or not).
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I think the key to this is not the price but the second year of team control.  We'll have to see how the Bears structure a contract offer to him, but with the cap space the Bears have, they can likely front load the guaranteed money into this year, essentially creating a team option for the second year.

If Meredith is legit and fully healthy this year, this also gives them a year to negotiate a longer term deal before he hits UFA status.

The second-round tender and impending UFA status after '18 would be a big roll of the dice.  If Meredith is legit, the Bears run the risk of someone offering a stupid big contract they won't match.

 
rschroeder1 said:
I think the key to this is not the price but the second year of team control.  We'll have to see how the Bears structure a contract offer to him, but with the cap space the Bears have, they can likely front load the guaranteed money into this year, essentially creating a team option for the second year.

If Meredith is legit and fully healthy this year, this also gives them a year to negotiate a longer term deal before he hits UFA status.

The second-round tender and impending UFA status after '18 would be a big roll of the dice.  If Meredith is legit, the Bears run the risk of someone offering a stupid big contract they won't match.
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They don't get an option to structure.  They can only match what NOS offered.

 
With Bears heavily invested at wide receiver, what's next for Cameron Meredith?

The two-year deal is worth $9.6 million, includes incentives that could take it to a maximum value of $12.6 million and has $5.4 million in guarantees.

...It’s worth wondering if the Bears distinguished between the second-round tender at $2.9 million and the no-compensation tender at $1.9 million because of the knee. If they wouldn’t go to $2.9 million with their tender offer, why would they match a deal with $5.4 million in guarantees over two years?

It’s one thing to match the offer sheet your No. 1 cornerback Fuller signed. It’s another thing when the decision involves either your second or third wide receiver who posted 66 catches for 888 yards and four touchdowns two years ago. Remember, the Bears signed Gabriel to a four-year, $26 million contract with $14 million guaranteed. They quickly have become one of the biggest spenders at the position in the league. Without Meredith, the Bears rank fourth in 2018 cap dollars committed to wide receivers, according to spotrac.com. They rank third in annual average salary for wide receivers. Those figures would bump up if they match the offer sheet.

Consider the Bears are fourth in cap dollars committed to tight ends, according to spotrac.com, and second in annual average salary for that position and you can see the team has put major resources into skill-position players for quarterback Mitch Trubisky.
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This makes it seem like there is a good chance Chicago will not match.

 
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Sure looks like CHI isn’t going to match.  They matched on Fuller immediately and could have locked in Meredith for a 2nd round return for a relatively cheap increase and opted not to.   We’re on day 3 already of 5 allowed to match.  Guess they like White and Gabriel better?

 
Bronco Billy said:
Sure looks like CHI isn’t going to match.  They matched on Fuller immediately and could have locked in Meredith for a 2nd round return for a relatively cheap increase and opted not to.   We’re on day 3 already of 5 allowed to match.  Guess they like White and Gabriel better?
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Its fair to question if Meredith is good. He had a nice half season 2 years ago, but that was under a different staff and multiple QBs ago. He's since suffered a pretty horrific looking injury and the Bears added WR talent. 

As a Bears fan, I really don't care if they match or not. I can see reasons to do so, and reasons not to. Their actions have made it clear if Meredith returns he's the #3 behind Robinson and Gabriel. Also like you said(perhaps sarcastically?) its possible the new staff hasn't given up on Kevin White.

 
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Hankmoody said:
They don't get an option to structure.  They can only match what NOS offered.
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I stand corrected then.  I can't find any info on how the Saints' offer is structured over two years, so I guess my point is potentially moot.  Appreciate the info.

 
With a 2nd round tender, it is likely that the player does not get an offer at all as teams don't want to risk losing the valuable pick. Going with the lower tender allowed Meredith to feel better about getting his true market value and the Bears not pissing off an employee with a low ball deal. This is one possibility. They could have used the system and forced him into a 1 yr / 2.9M deal but that would not have fostered a longer term good will relationship.

If they didn't want him at all, they wouldn't have tendered him. I sincerely hope they match as 5M \ yr is not that much and they desperately need the depth. If he plays like 2016, its a bargain.

 
Football Jones said:
Absolutely no way the Bears expected anyone to offer Meredith that kind of money (despite it being a modest contract).
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They ought to have known, the Bears just paid Taylor Gabriel 6.5/year and he's never caught more than 36 balls in a season. I mean, Kenny Stills is making 8 milllion a year, Ryan Grant just got paid 5 million for a year. If anything its a little surprising Meredith didnt get more, even coming off the injury.  The market for meh WRs is right around 5 a year.

 
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travdogg said:
Its fair to question if Meredith is good. He had a nice half season 2 years ago, but that was under a different staff and multiple QBs ago. He's since suffered a pretty horrific looking injury and the Bears added WR talent. 

As a Bears fan, I really don't care if they match or not. I can see reasons to do so, and reasons not to. Their actions have made it clear if Meredith returns he's the #3 behind Robinson and Gabriel. Also like you said(perhaps sarcastically?) its possible the new staff hasn't given up on Kevin White.
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And this kind of thinking is why the Bears are the Bears. 

4th in the NFL in cap $$$ spent on WRs and look at the names:

Allen Robinson

Josh Bellamy

Tanner Gentry

 Mekale McKay

Taylor Gabriel

Kevin White 

DeMarcus Ayers

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Source: The #Bears are not matching Cam Meredith’s offer sheet from the #Saints. He’ll be in New Orleans. Matt Nagy and Ryan Pace just met with Meredith.

 
The Bears with White, Robinson & Gabriel kind of have to go with that. I get what they’re doing, but it’s not because of injury concerns IMO. I find the prospect of Cameron with Brees really exciting, Brees throws such a beautifully placed pass, just wait til Meredith blooms. 

 
This helps Meredith a lot; Brees a little; and I don't think it really hurts Bears or Trubisky much unless ARob doesn't live up to hype or gets reinjured.  Trubisky still has a new offense and two new WRs who are a big improvement.

 
Chaka said:
I have difficulty embracing these types of stories.  I am pretty sure every surgery is deemed a successful (yes, even Andrew Luck's) and, with only a few exceptions (I'm still looking at you Andrew Luck) players are always "ahead of schedule".
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Understandable position but the next link by @BigSteelThrill shows him running drills, routes and catching. I’d say in this case between the length of time since the injury and that he’s running routes he should be good.

 
Where will Meredith fit into the depth chart? 

Ourlads has him at as 3rd behind Thomas and Ginn but has Austin Carr as the starting slot. Carr does haven’t any stats so I could see Meredith maybe taking that position. I will admit that I don’t know much about the difference between playing the slot and playing wide. Nor do I how which spot Meredith was playing in Chicago.

 
Borden said:
Understandable position but the next link by @BigSteelThrill shows him running drills, routes and catching. I’d say in this case between the length of time since the injury and that he’s running routes he should be good.
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I am pretty confident he will be fine, particularly as from my limited understanding his game is predicated on precision and not so much suddenness or explosiveness.  He seems like the kind of WR perfectly suited to a QB like Brees.

 
Chaka said:
I am pretty confident he will be fine, particularly as from my limited understanding his game is predicated on precision and not so much suddenness or explosiveness.  He seems like the kind of WR perfectly suited to a QB like Brees.
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Think he will play the slot?

 
Borden said:
Think he will play the slot?
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Meredith is the same size as Thomas, just a shade lighter.  I see him starting outside in 2 WR sets and moving inside on 3 WR sets.  Meredith on the outside as a WR2 in this offense entering what is essentially his third year is likely to put up some pretty strong numbers.  

I’m not sure how a D defends this offense now that the running game is so strong also.  You just can’t defend everything NO can put on the field at any given time.

 
Bronco Billy said:
Meredith is the same size as Thomas, just a shade lighter.  I see him starting outside in 2 WR sets and moving inside on 3 WR sets.  Meredith on the outside as a WR2 in this offense entering what is essentially his third year is likely to put up some pretty strong numbers.  

I’m not sure how a D defends this offense now that the running game is so strong also.  You just can’t defend everything NO can put on the field at any given time.
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I like and agree. I think 11 personnel will have him in the slot a lot. He’s going very late in drafts and could be a PPR machine. 

Though like I said a few posts before I’m not sure if he played slot much (I believe he even started his college career as a QB) or how difficult it is to move to slot. If that isn’t where he played. 

 
I believe Meredith is one of the better bargains in FF as things stand now. A guy you can get fairly late with the potential to put up good numbers.

Meredith isn't a true sleeper in the sense he's already had a breakout of sorts, but this cat is no joke. A premier athlete, Meredith has relatively little experience at WR & has a lot of headroom.

Meredith is the type of player you don't want to put a limit on. His predictive production range is fairly wide, but the upside is extremely intriguing. Meredith has the raw ability to be an NFL #1 WR, either for the Saints or someone else (FA in 2020).

Outstanding profit potential in dynasty.  

 
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Football Jones said:
I believe Meredith is one of the better bargains in FF as things stand now. A guy you can get fairly late with the potential to put up good numbers.
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the price is going up up up on Meredith the more we get reports on the knee fine ..... Bree's throwing the ball, proven WR1/2 material ..... I like that I have him in several leagues

 
Stealthycat said:
the price is going up up up on Meredith the more we get reports on the knee fine ..... Bree's throwing the ball, proven WR1/2 material ..... I like that I have him in several leagues
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Yeah, Meredith's ADP could possibly climb substantially, especially if he can play in preseason & looks good.

 
The Times-Picayune's Josh Katzenstein believes Cameron Meredith is the "best bet" for the Saints' No. 2 receiver job.

It is a bit of a surprising assertion considering Meredith is coming off a serious knee injury and Ted Ginn had the most efficient season of his career last year. Ginn is 33, however, and actually played fewer snaps than Brandon Coleman last season despite seeing 33 more targets. A better player than Coleman, Meredith should be an even bigger factor if he is healthy. He is a great pick in the 12th round.

Source:  New Orleans Times-Picayune 

Jul 24 - 11:01 AM
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Cameron Meredith (knee) is participating in team drills in training camp.

Meredith avoided the active/PUP list, but coach Sean Payton said the team planned to be "smart" with him. The fact that being smart with him already includes participating in 11-on-11s is an excellent sign both for Meredith's health and his odds of carving out a big/fantasy-meaningful role in the Saints' offense.

Source: The Advocate 

Jul 26 - 2:41 PM
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Cameron Meredith failed to reel in his lone target Friday in the Saints’ second preseason game against the Cardinals.

He dropped a pass from Taysom Hill on the Saints’ opening drive, which wound up in the hands of Cardinals linebacker Haason Reddick for an interception. The former Bear hasn’t practiced much this summer and his rust was evident Friday night. Meredith should benefit from playing with future Hall of Famer Drew Brees, but he’s also coming off an ACL tear that sidelined him for all of 2017. Given these factors, the 25-year-old makes for a risky fantasy investment.

Aug 17 - 11:03 PM
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Cameron Meredith has zero catches on 48 preseason snaps.

It is not out of the ordinary for wide receivers changing teams to struggle, and Meredith has been in the difficult position of recovering from a major injury while trying to get on the same page with Drew Brees. Meredith also missed two weeks of training camp with an undisclosed ailment. Meanwhile, explosive third-round pick Tre'Quan Smith has been lighting up Saints camp.

Aug 27 - 6:04 PM

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