Can we discuss laws and impact on states without getting “politically”? New FL law requiring age verification for adult sites. (1 Viewer)

[eoMMan]

Can we discuss a topic like this or is this considered politics?

Florida passes law requiring age verification for porn sites, social media restrictions

Ron DeSantis has signed into law sweeping social media restrictions in a bill that also requires age verification to access pornographic websites.

www.usatoday.com

 

[bigbottom]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

The "social media" part of this is one of those topics where I've changed my mind. Ten years ago, I would have been pretty strongly opposed to putting age restrictions on social media, but we've seen how that's gone, and it's time for people like me to wake up. I'm open to other solutions, but keeping this stuff away from kids seems like a good way to balance the ability of adults to consume media as they see fit versus what's happening to young people.

 

[pacman_fl]

Can we discuss a topic like this or is this considered politics?

Florida passes law requiring age verification for porn sites, social media restrictions

Ron DeSantis has signed into law sweeping social media restrictions in a bill that also requires age verification to access pornographic websites.

www.usatoday.com

I'm going with no (we can't, it will spiral), but I'm willing to be proven wrong.

 

[ChiefD]

I would be for eliminating social media and the internet and cell phones.

Bring back my bike jumps and playing in the crick and talking to my girl on a curly phone cord that stretched 50' so my parents couldn't hear me ask her what she was wearing.

 

[eoMMan]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

 

[dkp993]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Yeah I tend to agree. We are not going to “law” our way into fixing everything. Engagement in the home is where these things need to be built.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Yeah I tend to agree. We are not going to “law” our way into fixing everything. Enhancement in the home is where these things need to be built.

How's that working out?

 

[dgreen]

If there were good reasons for age restrictions for magazines, videos, peep shows, etc prior to the internet, I assume those same reasons apply here.

 

[bigbottom]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Is it invasion of privacy for you to show proof of age at an adult movie theater?

 

[Gr00vus]

I don't think it'll be practically technically enforceable. I'm mostly ambivalent in terms of desirability of such laws regardless, probably leaning more towards against such laws.

 

[dkp993]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Yeah I tend to agree. We are not going to “law” our way into fixing everything. Enhancement in the home is where these things need to be built.

How's that working out?

Fundementally not much different then it was pre-internet, cuz we all know no kid ever saw sex then.

 

[Rustoleum]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Is it invasion of privacy for you to show proof of age at an adult movie theater?

I would say no if you wave your license at them and that’s that, but what if they enter every visit into a government database?

 

[Gr00vus]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Is it invasion of privacy for you to show proof of age at an adult movie theater?

I would say no if you wave your license at them and that’s that, but what if they enter every visit into a government database?

Or retain that information and sell it to other entities, or have their data repository cracked and the information is stolen by other entities - which then enables identity theft, and subsequent circumvention of the "protections" being put in place.

 

[McBokonon]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Yeah I tend to agree. We are not going to “law” our way into fixing everything. Enhancement in the home is where these things need to be built.

How's that working out?

Fundementally not much different then it was pre-internet, cuz we all know no kid ever saw sex then.

I'm not a big fan of this general argument when it comes to trying to regulate things - which is that if it doesn't wipe something out 100% of the time, it's not worth doing at all. I have no idea how I feel about this particular topic yet, but I see this line of thought in other subjects and it never makes sense to let perfect be the enemy of the good, or even the mediocre.

 

[Don Quixote]

Virginia passed ID law last year, but not much of a difference. A couple sites shut down rather than require input of license info. Other sites business as usual.

(Or so I’ve heard. )

 

[dkp993]

I'm not a big fan of this general argument when it comes to trying to regulate things - which is that if it doesn't wipe something out 100% of the time, it's not worth doing at all.

That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m just not a fan of government trying to dictate our individual moral base. That’s not its role. And in this case I don’t think the law would even have mediocre effect. Kids have been getting around rules and laws since rules and laws have been around, hell I was watching Faces of Death videos with friends when I was in 6th grade. There were all kinds of rules and regulations around that happening then too. Stopped nothing. If kids want to see something they will find a way. Laws like this are only window dressing so we can feel like we’re “doing something”. Doing something happens in the home, not via the government.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Yeah I tend to agree. We are not going to “law” our way into fixing everything. Enhancement in the home is where these things need to be built.

How's that working out?

Fundementally not much different then it was pre-internet, cuz we all know no kid ever saw sex then.

Do you think that sneaking a peak at your dad's Playboys, or watching a dirty movie at a friend's house, is in the same general category as walking around with a XXX bookstore in your pocket 24/7?

There's a difference between being exposed to this stuff in one's youth, versus marinating in it. Same with Faces of Death and the like.

 

[eoMMan]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Yeah I tend to agree. We are not going to “law” our way into fixing everything. Enhancement in the home is where these things need to be built.

How's that working out?

Fundementally not much different then it was pre-internet, cuz we all know no kid ever saw sex then.

Do you think that sneaking a peak at your dad's Playboys, or watching a dirty movie at a friend's house, is in the same general category as walking around with a XXX bookstore in your pocket 24/7?

There's a difference between being exposed to this stuff in one's youth, versus marinating in it. Same with Faces of Death and the like.

But where’s the line then? I would rather my imaginary kid see nudes/sex than people blowing heads away in movies and video games, which are both widely available to everyone. Why does the government need to get involved? It should be on the parent as to what their child is exposed to.

 

[SWC]

The "social media" part of this is one of those topics where I've changed my mind. Ten years ago, I would have been pretty strongly opposed to putting age restrictions on social media, but we've seen how that's gone, and it's time for people like me to wake up. I'm open to other solutions, but keeping this stuff away from kids seems like a good way to balance the ability of adults to consume media as they see fit versus what's happening to young people.

we shouldnt stop with kids take that to the bank bromigo

 

[dkp993]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Yeah I tend to agree. We are not going to “law” our way into fixing everything. Enhancement in the home is where these things need to be built.

How's that working out?

Fundementally not much different then it was pre-internet, cuz we all know no kid ever saw sex then.

Do you think that sneaking a peak at your dad's Playboys, or watching a dirty movie at a friend's house, is in the same general category as walking around with a XXX bookstore in your pocket 24/7?

There's a difference between being exposed to this stuff in one's youth, versus marinating in it. Same with Faces of Death and the like.

But that speaks to my point. You’re talking about the volume of it. That genie is already out of the bottle. The equivalent of if every friends house or dads bed we encountered having it when we were kids. The laws and rules didn’t stop us then and won’t stop them now. They will have a work around figured out the same day the law goes in effect. It’s window dressing. And I don’t want a government that continues to create window dressing laws. That’s an extremely slippery slope.

 

[Instinctive]

Virginia passed ID law last year, but not much of a difference. A couple sites shut down rather than require input of license info. Other sites business as usual.

(Or so I’ve heard. )

Reddit is freaking out in TX having just done the same. Apparently the affected sites just don't operate if you're in TX now.

 

[dkp993]

The "social media" part of this is one of those topics where I've changed my mind. Ten years ago, I would have been pretty strongly opposed to putting age restrictions on social media, but we've seen how that's gone, and it's time for people like me to wake up. I'm open to other solutions, but keeping this stuff away from kids seems like a good way to balance the ability of adults to consume media as they see fit versus what's happening to young people.

we shouldnt stop with kids take that to the bank bromigo

A perfect example IK of what I’m talking about. Rules to control all.*

*and I like SWC, shtick aside, I think he’s a thoughtful poster.

 

[massraider]

Why isn't every liquor cabinet in every house in America required to have a combo lock or age verification?

Because it's the parent's house, the parent's children, and the parent's responsibility. That's why.

 

[Chris B.]

Make the parents parent and make the government handle the bigger problems that affect the next generation.

 

[SWC]

The "social media" part of this is one of those topics where I've changed my mind. Ten years ago, I would have been pretty strongly opposed to putting age restrictions on social media, but we've seen how that's gone, and it's time for people like me to wake up. I'm open to other solutions, but keeping this stuff away from kids seems like a good way to balance the ability of adults to consume media as they see fit versus what's happening to young people.

we shouldnt stop with kids take that to the bank bromigo

A perfect example IK of what I’m talking about. Rules to control all.*

*and I like SWC, shtick aside, I think he’s a thoughtful poster.

i was hoping some slippery sloper would bite but in truth to me its not a slippery slope i think that social media by and large has been a huge negative for the world its made us into a commodity where companies and advertisers know more about us than we know about ourselves and they are literally eavesdropping on us with our consent via a eula we have more porn at every turn which leads to all sorts of issues in how we treat women and men and studies show that young adults using social media are three times more likely to suffer from depression which of course leads to an increase in suicide rates so for me this isnt a slippery slope thing at all we regulate things that are bad for us like booze drugs and cigarettes and social media has aspects of it that are very bad take that to the bank brohans

 

[massraider]

I don't actually think that it's as black and white as all that, I'd love to be able to keep kids from porn.

My biggest thought is, this ain't gonna work. Computer guys who wanna whack it? Talk about your motivated hacker.

There is already a workaround. It won't do what it is intended to do

 

[SWC]

i mean hells bells no one with a lick of common sense says let everyone drink whenever under any circumstances no one says just go out and drive wherever you want however you want no one says shoot meth all you like its up to your parents i mean come on those arguments are just weak sauce take that to the bank brochachos

 

[belljr]

So will this be like when you go into a beer website and all you have to do is say whatever birthday would get you over 21? Or are they expecting you to submit some sort of license age verification?

Asking for a friend

 

[dkp993]

The "social media" part of this is one of those topics where I've changed my mind. Ten years ago, I would have been pretty strongly opposed to putting age restrictions on social media, but we've seen how that's gone, and it's time for people like me to wake up. I'm open to other solutions, but keeping this stuff away from kids seems like a good way to balance the ability of adults to consume media as they see fit versus what's happening to young people.

we shouldnt stop with kids take that to the bank bromigo

A perfect example IK of what I’m talking about. Rules to control all.*

*and I like SWC, shtick aside, I think he’s a thoughtful poster.

i was hoping some slippery sloper would bite but in truth to me its not a slippery slope i think that social media by and large has been a huge negative for the world its made us into a commodity where companies and advertisers know more about us than we know about ourselves and they are literally eavesdropping on us with our consent via a eula we have more porn at every turn which leads to all sorts of issues in how we treat women and men and studies show that young adults using social media are three times more likely to suffer from depression which of course leads to an increase in suicide rates so for me this isnt a slippery slope thing at all we regulate things that are bad for us like booze drugs and cigarettes and social media has aspects of it that are very bad take that to the bank brohans

Oh I agree with every word you said about Social Media. I truly believe it’s a pox on society. But tell me, how well has strict regulation worked on drug abuse? Or teen drinking and smoking?

 

[IvanKaramazov]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Yeah I tend to agree. We are not going to “law” our way into fixing everything. Enhancement in the home is where these things need to be built.

How's that working out?

Fundementally not much different then it was pre-internet, cuz we all know no kid ever saw sex then.

Do you think that sneaking a peak at your dad's Playboys, or watching a dirty movie at a friend's house, is in the same general category as walking around with a XXX bookstore in your pocket 24/7?

There's a difference between being exposed to this stuff in one's youth, versus marinating in it. Same with Faces of Death and the like.

But that speaks to my point. You’re talking about the volume of it. That genie is already out of the bottle. The equivalent of if every friends house or dads bed we encountered having it when we were kids. The laws and rules didn’t stop us then and won’t stop them now. They will have a work around figured out the same day the law goes in effect. It’s window dressing. And I don’t want a government that continues to create window dressing laws. That’s an extremely slippery slope.

But that's the thing. We didn't grow up in an environment like this. I remember what it was like to find a dirty magazine. We didn't have instant access to hard-core pornography whenever we wanted it, and I don't think we would have chosen that for ourselves, knowing what we know now.

We also didn't grow up with social media. Everybody is focusing on the "porn sites" part of this, but banning kids from social media platforms seems like a bigger deal to me.

This is one of those times when we need to recognize that the world actually is quite a bit different today than it was when we were kids, and what worked for us is very obviously not working for our current youth. Like I said, I'm open to other ideas, but "just let parents sort it out" has been tried already and found wanting in the smartphone era.

 

[Snoopy]

So will this be like when you go into a beer website and all you have to do is say whatever birthday would get you over 21? Or are they expecting you to submit some sort of license age verification?

Asking for a friend

I entered February 30, 1950 as an experiment and it let me in.

 

[SWC]

The "social media" part of this is one of those topics where I've changed my mind. Ten years ago, I would have been pretty strongly opposed to putting age restrictions on social media, but we've seen how that's gone, and it's time for people like me to wake up. I'm open to other solutions, but keeping this stuff away from kids seems like a good way to balance the ability of adults to consume media as they see fit versus what's happening to young people.

we shouldnt stop with kids take that to the bank bromigo

A perfect example IK of what I’m talking about. Rules to control all.*

*and I like SWC, shtick aside, I think he’s a thoughtful poster.

i was hoping some slippery sloper would bite but in truth to me its not a slippery slope i think that social media by and large has been a huge negative for the world its made us into a commodity where companies and advertisers know more about us than we know about ourselves and they are literally eavesdropping on us with our consent via a eula we have more porn at every turn which leads to all sorts of issues in how we treat women and men and studies show that young adults using social media are three times more likely to suffer from depression which of course leads to an increase in suicide rates so for me this isnt a slippery slope thing at all we regulate things that are bad for us like booze drugs and cigarettes and social media has aspects of it that are very bad take that to the bank brohans

Oh I agree with every word you said about Social Media. I truly believe it’s a pox on society. But tell me, how well has strict regulation worked on drug abuse? Or teen drinking and smoking?

just use common sense first of all and second look at this in the 1970s when states actually had different drinking ages teenage car accidents were more frequent in states with lower drinking ages this contrast was so stark that congress actually acted and passed a bill changing the drinking age to 21 nationwide statistics show that the 21 year old drinking age does in fact dramatically reduce the number of teenage drinkers one ancillary datapoint people look at is that in europe where many nations have a lower drinking age there is more teenage drinking than here in the usa and there are very real statistics that show that binge drinking high school students are more likely to engage in risky behavior including the use of other hard drugs ie more than just marijuana further there are direct ties between the age at which one starts drinking and adult binge drinking and studies which show that over 13 percent of all deaths worldwide betwen the ages of 20 to 29 are linked to alcohol so id say that laws related to teen drinking are working and are incredibly necessary take that to the bank bromigos

 

[dkp993]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Yeah I tend to agree. We are not going to “law” our way into fixing everything. Enhancement in the home is where these things need to be built.

How's that working out?

Fundementally not much different then it was pre-internet, cuz we all know no kid ever saw sex then.

Do you think that sneaking a peak at your dad's Playboys, or watching a dirty movie at a friend's house, is in the same general category as walking around with a XXX bookstore in your pocket 24/7?

There's a difference between being exposed to this stuff in one's youth, versus marinating in it. Same with Faces of Death and the like.

But that speaks to my point. You’re talking about the volume of it. That genie is already out of the bottle. The equivalent of if every friends house or dads bed we encountered having it when we were kids. The laws and rules didn’t stop us then and won’t stop them now. They will have a work around figured out the same day the law goes in effect. It’s window dressing. And I don’t want a government that continues to create window dressing laws. That’s an extremely slippery slope.

But that's the thing. We didn't grow up in an environment like this. I remember what it was like to find a dirty magazine. We didn't have instant access to hard-core pornography whenever we wanted it, and I don't think we would have chosen that for ourselves, knowing what we know now.

We also didn't grow up with social media. Everybody is focusing on the "porn sites" part of this, but banning kids from social media platforms seems like a bigger deal to me.

This is one of those times when we need to recognize that the world actually is quite a bit different today than it was when we were kids, and what worked for us is very obviously not working for our current youth. Like I said, I'm open to other ideas, but "just let parents sort it out" has been tried already and found wanting in the smartphone era.

Fair response, but I’d also propose the “let’s make it illegal” has been tried already with countless things and been found wanting in any era.

It’s obviously a very challenging thing to try and manage, especially now that the bottle has been opened.

But sticking to the social media component, I’d be down to wipe them all out. But at this point that would be no different the asking to wipe out all porn on the internet. It’s simply not going to happen. So in light of all of it I think the only viable solution is in the home. And you’re speaking to someone squarely in the crosshairs of this issue, as I have a 9 yr old daughter.

 

[massraider]

The "social media" part of this is one of those topics where I've changed my mind. Ten years ago, I would have been pretty strongly opposed to putting age restrictions on social media, but we've seen how that's gone, and it's time for people like me to wake up. I'm open to other solutions, but keeping this stuff away from kids seems like a good way to balance the ability of adults to consume media as they see fit versus what's happening to young people.

we shouldnt stop with kids take that to the bank bromigo

A perfect example IK of what I’m talking about. Rules to control all.*

*and I like SWC, shtick aside, I think he’s a thoughtful poster.

i was hoping some slippery sloper would bite but in truth to me its not a slippery slope i think that social media by and large has been a huge negative for the world its made us into a commodity where companies and advertisers know more about us than we know about ourselves and they are literally eavesdropping on us with our consent via a eula we have more porn at every turn which leads to all sorts of issues in how we treat women and men and studies show that young adults using social media are three times more likely to suffer from depression which of course leads to an increase in suicide rates so for me this isnt a slippery slope thing at all we regulate things that are bad for us like booze drugs and cigarettes and social media has aspects of it that are very bad take that to the bank brohans

Oh I agree with every word you said about Social Media. I truly believe it’s a pox on society. But tell me, how well has strict regulation worked on drug abuse? Or teen drinking and smoking?

just use common sense first of all and second look at this in the 1970s when states actually had different drinking ages teenage car accidents were more frequent in states with lower drinking ages this contrast was so stark that congress actually acted and passed a bill changing the drinking age to 21 nationwide statistics show that the 21 year old drinking age does in fact dramatically reduce the number of teenage drinkers one ancillary datapoint people look at is that in europe where many nations have a lower drinking age there is more teenage drinking than here in the usa and there are very real statistics that show that binge drinking high school students are more likely to engage in risky behavior including the use of other hard drugs ie more than just marijuana further there are direct ties between the age at which one starts drinking and adult binge drinking and studies which show that over 13 percent of all deaths worldwide betwen the ages of 20 to 29 are linked to alcohol so id say that laws related to teen drinking are working and are incredibly necessary take that to the bank bromigos

My mind is changed.

Still don't think it will work, but let's get the kids off social media

 

[bigbottom]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Is it invasion of privacy for you to show proof of age at an adult movie theater?

I would say no if you wave your license at them and that’s that, but what if they enter every visit into a government database?

Fair point.

 

[dkp993]

The "social media" part of this is one of those topics where I've changed my mind. Ten years ago, I would have been pretty strongly opposed to putting age restrictions on social media, but we've seen how that's gone, and it's time for people like me to wake up. I'm open to other solutions, but keeping this stuff away from kids seems like a good way to balance the ability of adults to consume media as they see fit versus what's happening to young people.

we shouldnt stop with kids take that to the bank bromigo

A perfect example IK of what I’m talking about. Rules to control all.*

*and I like SWC, shtick aside, I think he’s a thoughtful poster.

i was hoping some slippery sloper would bite but in truth to me its not a slippery slope i think that social media by and large has been a huge negative for the world its made us into a commodity where companies and advertisers know more about us than we know about ourselves and they are literally eavesdropping on us with our consent via a eula we have more porn at every turn which leads to all sorts of issues in how we treat women and men and studies show that young adults using social media are three times more likely to suffer from depression which of course leads to an increase in suicide rates so for me this isnt a slippery slope thing at all we regulate things that are bad for us like booze drugs and cigarettes and social media has aspects of it that are very bad take that to the bank brohans

Oh I agree with every word you said about Social Media. I truly believe it’s a pox on society. But tell me, how well has strict regulation worked on drug abuse? Or teen drinking and smoking?

just use common sense first of all and second look at this in the 1970s when states actually had different drinking ages teenage car accidents were more frequent in states with lower drinking ages this contrast was so stark that congress actually acted and passed a bill changing the drinking age to 21 nationwide statistics show that the 21 year old drinking age does in fact dramatically reduce the number of teenage drinkers one ancillary datapoint people look at is that in europe where many nations have a lower drinking age there is more teenage drinking than here in the usa and there are very real statistics that show that binge drinking high school students are more likely to engage in risky behavior including the use of other hard drugs ie more than just marijuana further there are direct ties between the age at which one starts drinking and adult binge drinking and studies which show that over 13 percent of all deaths worldwide betwen the ages of 20 to 29 are linked to alcohol so id say that laws related to teen drinking are working and are incredibly necessary take that to the bank bromigos

Sure those laws impact the stats because they actually(practically) have the ability to limit the access to those products. Can kids still get alcohol and drugs yes but it’s not as easy as walking into the store and buying it because of the law. But do you really think that same model applies to access to websites? If so those are some very rose colored glasses you’re wearing.

 

[the moops]

Have other states/cities tried and/or succeeded in implementing something like this?

 

[Gr00vus]

The "social media" part of this is one of those topics where I've changed my mind. Ten years ago, I would have been pretty strongly opposed to putting age restrictions on social media, but we've seen how that's gone, and it's time for people like me to wake up. I'm open to other solutions, but keeping this stuff away from kids seems like a good way to balance the ability of adults to consume media as they see fit versus what's happening to young people.

we shouldnt stop with kids take that to the bank bromigo

A perfect example IK of what I’m talking about. Rules to control all.*

*and I like SWC, shtick aside, I think he’s a thoughtful poster.

i was hoping some slippery sloper would bite but in truth to me its not a slippery slope i think that social media by and large has been a huge negative for the world its made us into a commodity where companies and advertisers know more about us than we know about ourselves and they are literally eavesdropping on us with our consent via a eula we have more porn at every turn which leads to all sorts of issues in how we treat women and men and studies show that young adults using social media are three times more likely to suffer from depression which of course leads to an increase in suicide rates so for me this isnt a slippery slope thing at all we regulate things that are bad for us like booze drugs and cigarettes and social media has aspects of it that are very bad take that to the bank brohans

Oh I agree with every word you said about Social Media. I truly believe it’s a pox on society. But tell me, how well has strict regulation worked on drug abuse? Or teen drinking and smoking?

just use common sense first of all and second look at this in the 1970s when states actually had different drinking ages teenage car accidents were more frequent in states with lower drinking ages this contrast was so stark that congress actually acted and passed a bill changing the drinking age to 21 nationwide statistics show that the 21 year old drinking age does in fact dramatically reduce the number of teenage drinkers one ancillary datapoint people look at is that in europe where many nations have a lower drinking age there is more teenage drinking than here in the usa and there are very real statistics that show that binge drinking high school students are more likely to engage in risky behavior including the use of other hard drugs ie more than just marijuana further there are direct ties between the age at which one starts drinking and adult binge drinking and studies which show that over 13 percent of all deaths worldwide betwen the ages of 20 to 29 are linked to alcohol so id say that laws related to teen drinking are working and are incredibly necessary take that to the bank bromigos

Sure those laws impact the stats because they actually(practically) have the ability to limit the access to those products. Can kids still get alcohol and drugs yes but it’s not as easy as walking into the store and buying it. But do you really think that same model applies to access to websites? If so those are some very rose colored glasses you’re wearing.

Right. <Company providing thing we don't want children to have> sets up server in the Dutch Antilles. <Child we don't want having access to thing company provides> runs a VPN and accesses <thing we don't want children to have> at that server.

The right to privacy, free speech, commerce, etc. violations you will have to enact to fix that kind of loophole renders all this legislation meaningless - you don't want to head in that direction (that's China / North Korea territory).

This is straight up political theater of the worst kind. You can't really solve this problem through legislation.

 

[FairWarning]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Yeah I tend to agree. We are not going to “law” our way into fixing everything. Enhancement in the home is where these things need to be built.

How's that working out?

Fundementally not much different then it was pre-internet, cuz we all know no kid ever saw sex then.

Do you think that sneaking a peak at your dad's Playboys, or watching a dirty movie at a friend's house, is in the same general category as walking around with a XXX bookstore in your pocket 24/7?

There's a difference between being exposed to this stuff in one's youth, versus marinating in it. Same with Faces of Death and the like.

The phones are safer, no staples.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Have other states/cities tried and/or succeeded in implementing something like this?

The article mentions that 8 other states have something similar in place.

I don't know how to gauge whether it has been successful or not. The article did mention one of the big porn sites restricts access now from certain states (although any 13 year old would know how to get around it)

 

[the moops]

Have other states/cities tried and/or succeeded in implementing something like this?

The article mentions that 8 other states have something similar in place.

I don't know how to gauge whether it has been successful or not. The article did mention one of the big porn sites restricts access now from certain states (although any 13 year old would know how to get around it)

I have an almost 13 year old and I can guarantee he has no idea how to get around something like this. We have very intentionally avoided phones and screens for him amd his brother. They use an old phone of ours to play brawl stars, only have an apple watch to text friends, and use a chromebook to do homework. My parents are about computer literate as they are. Not saying this is a good thing, although in the case of social media and porn it’s a good thing because they don’t have access to those things but they definitely are behind some peers in the knowing how to navigate technology space. A good trade off maybe though

 

[tymarsas]

My immediate reaction was a hard no on the government banning things, but after more reflection I think there is some sense in banning social media for children and teens. We already ban kids from partaking in a number of harmful things such as porn, booze, cigarettes and weed. Social media is at least as harmful as those things to kids and probably even moreso.

I shudder at the thought of startups collecting IDs for everyone. I'm pretty familiar with how security works at those companies and it is usually not good.

Credit card companies have mostly solved* this problem by putting out standards (pci-dss) and requiring any company that accepts credit cards online to either meet the standards or use a company that does meet the standards to collect and store the data.

Governments could probably piggy back off that standard and have similar requirements. If you get caught accepting IDs online without meeting the standard there would be huge fines.

This doesn't solve the problem of parents signing up for social media for their kids, but laws don't stop parents from buying booze for their kids either.

* I say mostly solved because no standard is perfect. And even companies with good security get hacked.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

There's a difference between being exposed to this stuff in one's youth, versus marinating in it. Same with Faces of Death and the like.

But where’s the line then? I would rather my imaginary kid see nudes/sex than people blowing heads away in movies and video games, which are both widely available to everyone. Why does the government need to get involved? It should be on the parent as to what their child is exposed to.

I mean....

 

[Ilov80s]

I’m sure there’s a lot to consider, but seems like a good idea.

But to get around it, a VPN could be used or the kid could just snag the parent’s ID.

And how far will this go? Couldn’t a kid just google nsfw pics/videos without having to go through this hassle?

And why just adult nudity? What about pics of dead bodies and people getting shot? Is that not as bad for a kid to see versus seeing a naked body/sex? Where’s the line?

I just think it’s way too much of an invasion of privacy. Let houses/families monitor their online activity…not be forced by more laws.

Yeah I tend to agree. We are not going to “law” our way into fixing everything. Enhancement in the home is where these things need to be built.

How's that working out?

Fundementally not much different then it was pre-internet, cuz we all know no kid ever saw sex then.

Do you think that sneaking a peak at your dad's Playboys, or watching a dirty movie at a friend's house, is in the same general category as walking around with a XXX bookstore in your pocket 24/7?

There's a difference between being exposed to this stuff in one's youth, versus marinating in it. Same with Faces of Death and the like.

But where’s the line then? I would rather my imaginary kid see nudes/sex than people blowing heads away in movies and video games, which are both widely available to everyone. Why does the government need to get involved? It should be on the parent as to what their child is exposed to.

If it’s normal sex I agree but I think we are all well aware of how insane so much of the adult entertainment on the internet is. Very easy to find some bizarre or downright horrible stuff. It’s one thing to see some bewbs and another to see 2 people pretending to be related to engaged in rough s and m.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I don't know how you enforce this, but I'm for it.

Should we allow network television to broadcast hardcore porn over the air and let "parents sort it out"? Is that any different than having it on computers? Practically everyone has access to both delivery methods.

Am I advocating the FCC regulating the Internet? Err... Maybe?

 

[caustic]

My state (KS) is on the verge of passing a similar bill that is specific to porn sites only. I think the bill would produce some modest benefits by marginally reducing kids’ porn consumption, but any sufficiently motivated teen is quickly going to discover how easy it is to circumvent the age verification. Implementation of the bill wouldn’t be incredibly expensive, but it will certainly require the addition of some taxpayer-funded compliance specialists and could possibly result in some costly legal challenges. Maybe those modest costs are worth the modest benefits, but I don’t think it’s obvious (or super impactful) either way. I’m probably most interested in how voters respond - legal adults might get annoyed when they realize their private time will require a VPN or the submission of their driver’s license to XHamster.

 

[FarFromHome]

Typed my thoughts then deleted. Tough topic. I will say I fully support his other legislation that's got passed today on ending house squatters. Thank god. Those people. Horrible.

 

[parasaurolophus]

I don't know how you enforce this, but I'm for it.

Should we allow network television to broadcast hardcore porn over the air and let "parents sort it out"? Is that any different than having it on computers? Practically everyone has access to both delivery methods.

Am I advocating the FCC regulating the Internet? Err... Maybe?

Parents will be biggest enforcers.

Patents that dont want their kids on social media,but also want to be their kids friend and are soft now have an arrow in their quiver to use.

Most parents dont have a hard time telling their kids not to break the law and taking measures to keep them from doing so.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Have other states/cities tried and/or succeeded in implementing something like this?

We have it here in Utah. But you can just use a VPN to get around it which is extremely easy. Some browsers even have VPNs built into them now.