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Matt Hayes' 4/19 column in the new Sporting News: LINK

Googled NFL draft and got 31.6 million possible web pages in 0.11 seconds. Now I see why Dan Pompei makes the big bucks.

So while Draft Boy Danny and the remaining 31.5999 mill or so fill your eyes and ears with 40 times and projections and sleepers and busts, I'll take you another direction. If you don't already think I'm an idiot, then you will soon enough.

Reggie Bush isn't the best player in this draft. He's not even the best running back -- his overweight if-he-ever-gets-his-Little-Debbie-eating-butt-in-shape teammate LenDale White is.

Every scout and personnel man and fantasy football geek will tell you Reggie Bush is the next Barry Sanders. He has speed and moves and strength and blah, blah, blah.

Did these guys watch the Rose Bowl?

Look, I'm no NFL talent evaluator, but I've got two eyes. When the teams' talent levels were the same in the Rose Bowl, when the defense had as much or more speed as the Southern California offense, suddenly Bush didn't look so untouchable, so incredible, so undeniably the best back in decades, as so many scouts have unequivocally claimed.

Bush had 13 carries for 82 yards and one score in the national title game. LenDale White had 20 carries for 124 yards and three touchdowns. And when the Trojans needed two yards, when the game was on the line and needed to be salted away, White got the ball. An NFL scout told me that night that the USC staff gambled by not putting the ball in the hands of their best player, the guy who had the best chance to pick up the first down.

I told him they did.

Watch the Rose Bowl again. Watch the USC offense try to stretch plays outside to create space for Bush. Watch how utterly fruitless it was. The Texas defense could run, and its front seven had fantastic lateral speed. And, in case you haven't heard: NFL defenses can run. Really fast.

USC obviously had rushing success against Texas, but the Trojans did so by running between the tackles. Bush (5-11, 202) is not a between-the-tackles guy. He needs space to allow his moves and speed to take over.

And enough with the Gale Sayers comparisons. I'm too young to have watched Sayers, but I know that D-linemen in the NFL in the 1960s were 240 pounds and ran 5.4 40s. D-linemen these days weigh nearly 300 pounds and run 4.7 40s.

It's simple physiology. How many elite 200-pound running backs are there in the NFL? How many of them have the goods to be the No. 1 overall pick and be compared to Barry Sanders and Gale Sayers -- merely two of the best backs in the history of pigskin?

It doesn't take 0.11seconds to figure that out.
Bush bashers put too much stock in that "He wasn't even on the field on that 4th down play" argument. There could have been a million reasons why White got the call on that play, and none of them were an indication that Carroll and his staff had no confidence in Bush's ability to get the 1st down.
 
Bush wasn't on the field and they didn't pick it up when White was on the field. I'm not sure how that supports the idea that White is better than Bush. Looks like just another draft time rant to me.

 
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And when the Trojans needed two yards, when the game was on the line and needed to be salted away, White got the ball. An NFL scout told me that night that the USC staff gambled by not putting the ball in the hands of their best player, the guy who had the best chance to pick up the first down.
I guess by this definition Bettis has been the best RB in football the past few years.
Look, I'm no NFL talent evaluator
You got that right.
 
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The writer claims he has two eyes. He needs to use them.

Also, Bush had a higher YPC than White and had 177 total yards against possibly the best defense in the land.

Honestly, all that article does is show how little the writer understands about football.

 
The writer claims he has two eyes. He needs to use them.

Also, Bush had a higher YPC than White and had 177 total yards against possibly the best defense in the land.

Honestly, all that article does is show how little the writer understands about football.
New to Matt Hayes, eh? :D He infuriates me every week, but like a car wreck, I can't help looking....

 
I agree that White is a great talent. If it weren't for his laziness, I think he could've seriously challenged for a top 10 pick and I think he would've been the second RB drafted.

That said, this writer fails to understand that Bush's value comes as much from his receiving as from his running. White might be better in short yardage, but he doesn't offer the same big play capabilities and he'll never be nearly as dangerous in the passing game.

 
This is what I have been advocating all along - Bush is going to lose a tremendous amount of his advantage as the speed of the pro Ds reduce the edge he has. Laterally outrunning PAC-10 Ds with the players USC had on O is going to be very, very different than getting wide and then springing through wide open lanes in the NFL.

Bush is incredibly talented, no doubt. He'll make some big plays, I'm sure. But a lot of times he's going to get boxed in and he doesn't have the size to mash through the trash. He just won't have the speed/talent differential that he had in college, and pro Ds are extremely fast laterally right now. That is going to affect him more than some are willing to give credit for.

 
I agree that White is a great talent. If it weren't for his laziness, I think he could've seriously challenged for a top 10 pick and I think he would've been the second RB drafted.

That said, this writer fails to understand that Bush's value comes as much from his receiving as from his running. White might be better in short yardage, but he doesn't offer the same big play capabilities and he'll never be nearly as dangerous in the passing game.
Not to mention Bush's heart and dedication. Can you imagine White trying to do LT's workout? :lmao:
 
... he doesn't have the size to mash through the trash. He just won't have the speed/talent differential that he had in college, and pro Ds are extremely fast laterally right now. That is going to affect him more than some are willing to give credit for.
Bush's strength and power is vastly underrated by some. He easily has Portis' strength and is both quicker and faster.
 
... he doesn't have the size to mash through the trash.  He just won't have the speed/talent differential that he had in college, and pro Ds are extremely fast laterally right now.  That is going to affect him more than some are willing to give credit for.
Bush's strength and power is vastly underrated by some. He easily has Portis' strength and is both quicker and faster.
That could be. I do think Bush will be a very good RB - in a RBBC. I don't think he'll hold up to being a featured RB. I also think some people are expecting him to roll into the pros producing exactly like he did on a loaded USC team against some incredibly poor PAC-10 Ds. That just isn't going to happen.

Now, if he were to get hooked up in a STL "greatest show on turf" type offense - then it might very interesting to see how he'd compare against Marshall faulk year-by-year. If he gets a lot of passes on swings & in the flats he could rack up some nice receiving numbers to go with limited rushing numbers. I don't think you'll see Kubiak bringing that to the table in HOU, though.

 
That said, this writer fails to understand that Bush's value comes as much from his receiving as from his running. White might be better in short yardage, but he doesn't offer the same big play capabilities and he'll never be nearly as dangerous in the passing game.
I doubt he fails to understand that. I imagine he wrote what he did because he knew it flies in the face of reality and that people who can't look away from a car wreck (like RaiderNation!) will read it just because of that.Unfortunately, that just raises the number of hits on his column and keeps him employed, rather than forcing the Sporting News to go out and find someone with talent who can fill that space with meaningful, informed, well-written material.

 
... he doesn't have the size to mash through the trash.  He just won't have the speed/talent differential that he had in college, and pro Ds are extremely fast laterally right now.  That is going to affect him more than some are willing to give credit for.
Bush's strength and power is vastly underrated by some. He easily has Portis' strength and is both quicker and faster.
That could be. I do think Bush will be a very good RB - in a RBBC. I don't think he'll hold up to being a featured RB. I also think some people are expecting him to roll into the pros producing exactly like he did on a loaded USC team against some incredibly poor PAC-10 Ds. That just isn't going to happen.

Now, if he were to get hooked up in a STL "greatest show on turf" type offense - then it might very interesting to see how he'd compare against Marshall faulk year-by-year. If he gets a lot of passes on swings & in the flats he could rack up some nice receiving numbers to go with limited rushing numbers. I don't think you'll see Kubiak bringing that to the table in HOU, though.
Don't know about other people. I do know that I believe Bush is everything that Portis is/was but more. Stronger, faster, quicker. And last I looked, Portis was fine in a non-RBBC.I still can't quite figure out why people don't think Bush can be a featured RB. It must be the fact that White got the majority of the short yardage situations, but that logic completely ignores that the same would have likely happened to almost any of the current star RBs in the same situation. He clearly has the size that guys like Cmart/LT/Portis/Faulk had when entering the league. He hits very hard, crashing his helmet into opposing players, Walter Payton style.

Marshall Faulk is suddenly now labeled as the kind of player who only succeeded when he was a Ram, but he did very well as a Colt when they had no offense and Faulk was the more classic featured RB.

As I've said before, Pony, you were one of the biggest Portis supporters I knew when he first came out, at least partially based on your experience from watching him in preseason with Denver prior to his rookie year. I'm more than a little surprised you don't see that Bush is everything that Portis is but more.

 
As I've said before, Pony, you were one of the biggest Portis supporters I knew when he first came out, at least partially based on your experience from watching him in preseason with Denver prior to his rookie year. I'm more than a little surprised you don't see that Bush is everything that Portis is but more.
I don't see the between-the-tackle RB that you're seeing. When Bush got out on the edge, he was extremely dangerous and could knife up into a seam and explode past the defenders, so that he was into the second level faster than players could react. Portis was always good at running through trash - Miami was a smash-mouth football team.I like Portis' height/weight ratio better also. Bush weighs 12 lbs less but is an inch taller. You have to figure that Bush's playing weight will be around 190 by the time midseason rolls around. That's damn light. Now, Barber plays at that weight, and it still shocks me that he can maintain his health so well. I could be wrong.I just don't see Bush as a one-cut runner through the 3 or 4 hole. I see him more as a floater who continues laterally until he sees his seam - much like Sanders was. The one-cut plays that DEN runs requires immediate vertical attack of the LoS, and I don't see that as being the most effective way of using Bush.
 
As I've said before, Pony, you were one of the biggest Portis supporters I knew when he first came out, at least partially based on your experience from watching him in preseason with Denver prior to his rookie year.  I'm more than a little surprised you don't see that Bush is everything that Portis is but more.
I don't see the between-the-tackle RB that you're seeing. I just don't see Bush as a one-cut runner through the 3 or 4 hole. I see him more as a floater who continues laterally until he sees his seam - much like Sanders was.
You're right. We must see different things. I would suggest I've seen a lot more of Reggie Bush than you then. Last season, he was very much a between the tackles runner, cutting through the 3 or 4 hole with regularity.Prior to his senior season, I would have had the same feeling as you about Bush. He did little of that running before then.

 
As I've said before, Pony, you were one of the biggest Portis supporters I knew when he first came out, at least partially based on your experience from watching him in preseason with Denver prior to his rookie year. I'm more than a little surprised you don't see that Bush is everything that Portis is but more.
I don't see the between-the-tackle RB that you're seeing. When Bush got out on the edge, he was extremely dangerous and could knife up into a seam and explode past the defenders, so that he was into the second level faster than players could react. Portis was always good at running through trash - Miami was a smash-mouth football team.I like Portis' height/weight ratio better also. Bush weighs 12 lbs less but is an inch taller. You have to figure that Bush's playing weight will be around 190 by the time midseason rolls around. That's damn light. Now, Barber plays at that weight, and it still shocks me that he can maintain his health so well. I could be wrong.

I just don't see Bush as a one-cut runner through the 3 or 4 hole. I see him more as a floater who continues laterally until he sees his seam - much like Sanders was. The one-cut plays that DEN runs requires immediate vertical attack of the LoS, and I don't see that as being the most effective way of using Bush.
Umm, Portis finished at close to 185 lbs his rookie year. :shrug:
 
... he doesn't have the size to mash through the trash.  He just won't have the speed/talent differential that he had in college, and pro Ds are extremely fast laterally right now.  That is going to affect him more than some are willing to give credit for.
Bush's strength and power is vastly underrated by some. He easily has Portis' strength and is both quicker and faster.
That could be. I do think Bush will be a very good RB - in a RBBC. I don't think he'll hold up to being a featured RB. I also think some people are expecting him to roll into the pros producing exactly like he did on a loaded USC team against some incredibly poor PAC-10 Ds. That just isn't going to happen.

Now, if he were to get hooked up in a STL "greatest show on turf" type offense - then it might very interesting to see how he'd compare against Marshall faulk year-by-year. If he gets a lot of passes on swings & in the flats he could rack up some nice receiving numbers to go with limited rushing numbers. I don't think you'll see Kubiak bringing that to the table in HOU, though.
If I am listening at Charlie Casserly correctly, this is how Houston sees Bush. a person you need another RB with, and that you need to put in specific positions in order to make the most of his talent. They have no interest, seemingly short or long term in handing him the 25 times lined up behind QB. They want him making big plays not grinding it out.
 
Matt Hayes' 4/19 column in the new Sporting News: LINK

Bush bashers put too much stock in that "He wasn't even on the field on that 4th down play" argument. There could have been a million reasons why White got the call on that play, and none of them were an indication that Carroll and his staff had no confidence in Bush's ability to get the 1st down.
The Texans don't need an over-priced (probably over-rated) rookie lightweight (scat-back) RB...Dom has done a good job for them, and recently signed an extended contract...at a discount rate!!!Domanick Davis' stats

RB's ain't that hard to find - Examples:

1) Denver's record for drafting RB's, in mid-late rounds should say it all.

2) Domanick Davis - Draft: 2003 - 4th round (4th pick) by the Houston Texans

3) Samkon Gado goes undrafted in the 2005 NFL Draft

This Reggie Bush is like almost six-foot tall, but has problems staying at more than 200-pounds!?!?! Dom is like 5' 9" and 221-pounds, and still gets hurt. This Bush sounds a tad Lanky for the NFL, in my humble opinion. Samkon is 5' 11" and 225-pounds, and he even got hurt last year.

RB Chris Brown is also Lanky at 6' 3" and 220-pounds, and he was drafted before Domanick Davis...as in, Year:2003 Round:3 Pick:29, Titans.

The Texans would be nuts to draft a scat-back like Bush @ 1.01!!! Willis McGahee @ 1.23 in 2003, followed by Larry Johnson @ 1.27 in 2003...so to continue to speak of RB's ain't that hard to find, even for the NFL Owners!!! Check out the weights of Willis and Larry. BTW, Reggie reminds me a lot of Justin Fargas @ 3.32 in 2003, and of WR Charles Rogers @ 1.02 in 2003...just before the Texans took WR Andre Johnson @ 1.03.

Reggie is kidding himself @ anything over 20-million gringo dollars. Heck, he was a scat-back in college (at *BEST*)!!!

Walter...Emmitt...Marshall...and, *OTHERS*, never needed lots of help at the college level, and they proved it in the NFL. Reggie might not last beyond one major NFL hit...so to speak.

Enough said...

 
I love that averaging over 6 YPC and 9 yards per touch against a top 10 college defense with many future pros is an example of Bush being bottled up.

 
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I love that averaging over 6 YPC and 9 yards per touch against a top 10 college defense with many future pros is an example of Bush being bottled up.
That made me laugh pretty hard too. :thumbup:
 
Reggie is kidding himself @ anything over 20-million gringo dollars. Heck, he was a scat-back in college (at *BEST*)!!!

Walter...Emmitt...Marshall...and, *OTHERS*, never needed lots of help at the college level, and they proved it in the NFL. Reggie might not last beyond one major NFL hit...so to speak.

Enough said...
You've convinced me. Reggie doesn't even belong in the NFL. A scat back like him shouldn't even be a first day pick.
 
I can't believe this idiotic article was even published on a website.

The whole "he wasn't on the field on 4th down" thing is the most utterly rediculous and useless argument I have ever seen regarding a player coming out in the draft. To be the best player Bush doesn't have to be the best player in EVERY SITUATION. LenDale White is better at moving the pile 3 inches on 4th down, so freaking what? How in the world does that make him a better RB?

If Barry Sanders and Jerome Bettis were on the same team in their primes and the team was faced with a 4th and inches you can bet that Bettis would be the one in there getting the ball, but that doesn't mean Sanders isn't one of the best RBs ever.

Heck, by this writer's twisted and convoluted logic Brandon Jacobs is better than Tiki Barber.

Ridiculous.

 
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... he doesn't have the size to mash through the trash. He just won't have the speed/talent differential that he had in college, and pro Ds are extremely fast laterally right now. That is going to affect him more than some are willing to give credit for.
Bush's strength and power is vastly underrated by some. He easily has Portis' strength and is both quicker and faster.
That could be. I do think Bush will be a very good RB - in a RBBC. I don't think he'll hold up to being a featured RB. I also think some people are expecting him to roll into the pros producing exactly like he did on a loaded USC team against some incredibly poor PAC-10 Ds. That just isn't going to happen.

Now, if he were to get hooked up in a STL "greatest show on turf" type offense - then it might very interesting to see how he'd compare against Marshall faulk year-by-year. If he gets a lot of passes on swings & in the flats he could rack up some nice receiving numbers to go with limited rushing numbers. I don't think you'll see Kubiak bringing that to the table in HOU, though.
If I am listening at Charlie Casserly correctly, this is how Houston sees Bush. a person you need another RB with, and that you need to put in specific positions in order to make the most of his talent. They have no interest, seemingly short or long term in handing him the 25 times lined up behind QB. They want him making big plays not grinding it out.
They want him making big plays not grinding it out..."30-mil" for a "big play" dude?!?! A defense can shut down a "big play dude", and the Super Bowls are usually won by a *SHUT DOWN* defense, and a RB that can...can...can *GRIND* it out when needed...so to speak of such 'Thangs. ;)

 
... he doesn't have the size to mash through the trash. He just won't have the speed/talent differential that he had in college, and pro Ds are extremely fast laterally right now. That is going to affect him more than some are willing to give credit for.
Bush's strength and power is vastly underrated by some. He easily has Portis' strength and is both quicker and faster.
That could be. I do think Bush will be a very good RB - in a RBBC. I don't think he'll hold up to being a featured RB. I also think some people are expecting him to roll into the pros producing exactly like he did on a loaded USC team against some incredibly poor PAC-10 Ds. That just isn't going to happen.

Now, if he were to get hooked up in a STL "greatest show on turf" type offense - then it might very interesting to see how he'd compare against Marshall faulk year-by-year. If he gets a lot of passes on swings & in the flats he could rack up some nice receiving numbers to go with limited rushing numbers. I don't think you'll see Kubiak bringing that to the table in HOU, though.
If I am listening at Charlie Casserly correctly, this is how Houston sees Bush. a person you need another RB with, and that you need to put in specific positions in order to make the most of his talent. They have no interest, seemingly short or long term in handing him the 25 times lined up behind QB. They want him making big plays not grinding it out.
They want him making big plays not grinding it out..."30-mil" for a "big play" dude?!?! A defense can shut down a "big play dude", and the Super Bowls are usually won by a *SHUT DOWN* defense, and a RB that can...can...can *GRIND* it out when needed...so to speak of such 'Thangs. ;)
I guess the Rams and Faulk never won that Super Bowl then. :confused:
 
Reggie is kidding himself @ anything over 20-million gringo dollars. Heck, he was a scat-back in college (at *BEST*)!!!

Walter...Emmitt...Marshall...and, *OTHERS*, never needed lots of help at the college level, and they proved it in the NFL. Reggie might not last beyond one major NFL hit...so to speak.

Enough said...
You've convinced me. Reggie doesn't even belong in the NFL. A scat back like him shouldn't even be a first day pick.
Did i say or even suggest that?!?! ILUVBEER99, do not try to put yore Dualistic "words" into my mouth, unless you do not respect Karma, and you are prepared to deal with yore own Karma on...on...on the Non-Dualistic areas that yore own Karma is about to make you swallow.Reggie was good in college; however, he was nothing but a scat-back when it mattered...so to speak of Reggie being a steal on the first pick of the second day.

Karmi

 
Reggie is kidding himself @ anything over 20-million gringo dollars. Heck, he was a scat-back in college (at *BEST*)!!!

Walter...Emmitt...Marshall...and, *OTHERS*, never needed lots of help at the college level, and they proved it in the NFL. Reggie might not last beyond one major NFL hit...so to speak.

Enough said...
You've convinced me. Reggie doesn't even belong in the NFL. A scat back like him shouldn't even be a first day pick.
Did i say or even suggest that?!?! ILUVBEER99, do not try to put yore Dualistic "words" into my mouth, unless you do not respect Karma, and you are prepared to deal with yore own Karma on...on...on the Non-Dualistic areas that yore own Karma is about to make you swallow.Reggie was good in college; however, he was nothing but a scat-back when it mattered...so to speak of Reggie being a steal on the first pick of the second day.

Karmi
Reverse karma ploy. I'm pegging you for a Bush owner!
 
Reggie is kidding himself @ anything over 20-million gringo dollars. Heck, he was a scat-back in college (at *BEST*)!!!

Walter...Emmitt...Marshall...and, *OTHERS*, never needed lots of help at the college level, and they proved it in the NFL. Reggie might not last beyond one major NFL hit...so to speak.

Enough said...
You've convinced me. Reggie doesn't even belong in the NFL. A scat back like him shouldn't even be a first day pick.
Did i say or even suggest that?!?! ILUVBEER99, do not try to put yore Dualistic "words" into my mouth, unless you do not respect Karma, and you are prepared to deal with yore own Karma on...on...on the Non-Dualistic areas that yore own Karma is about to make you swallow.
I have no idea what the above means, but i guess i'm sorry.
 
... he doesn't have the size to mash through the trash.  He just won't have the speed/talent differential that he had in college, and pro Ds are extremely fast laterally right now.  That is going to affect him more than some are willing to give credit for.
Bush's strength and power is vastly underrated by some. He easily has Portis' strength and is both quicker and faster.
That could be. I do think Bush will be a very good RB - in a RBBC. I don't think he'll hold up to being a featured RB. I also think some people are expecting him to roll into the pros producing exactly like he did on a loaded USC team against some incredibly poor PAC-10 Ds. That just isn't going to happen.

Now, if he were to get hooked up in a STL "greatest show on turf" type offense - then it might very interesting to see how he'd compare against Marshall faulk year-by-year. If he gets a lot of passes on swings & in the flats he could rack up some nice receiving numbers to go with limited rushing numbers. I don't think you'll see Kubiak bringing that to the table in HOU, though.
If I am listening at Charlie Casserly correctly, this is how Houston sees Bush. a person you need another RB with, and that you need to put in specific positions in order to make the most of his talent. They have no interest, seemingly short or long term in handing him the 25 times lined up behind QB. They want him making big plays not grinding it out.
They want him making big plays not grinding it out..."30-mil" for a "big play" dude?!?! A defense can shut down a "big play dude", and the Super Bowls are usually won by a *SHUT DOWN* defense, and a RB that can...can...can *GRIND* it out when needed...so to speak of such 'Thangs. ;)
You must have missed the Superbowl.
 
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Nothing to add here other than Matt Hayes is the worst CFB writer I've ever seen...and I've seen a lot of them.

His writing doesn't deserve the time it takes to read.

 
Pony has admitted he needs help for his unwarranted Bush hatred. :)

He can't help himself, so forgive him.

Bush will not play football under 200-- ever. Forget about it. He is too fit and too lean. He'll just get bigger like LT did. He is considerably bigger than Portis was at the same age. Bush is just under 5-11, btw. The closest compare in height weight strength and speed at the same age is not Portis, it's Tomlinson. Bush is the same height (give an 1/4 inch), 4 pounds lighter, quite a bit faster, and somewhat stronger than LT was at the same stage.

Because I'm a sick puppy, I went through all 400 of LenDale and Reggie's runs last season. I eliminated all runs to the outside. I eliminated all short yardage (3 or less) and goal line runs. Who do you think posted the better YPC up the middle between the tackles? Yep. Reggie Bush is better between the tackles than LenDale and LenDale is very very good between the tackles.

People catch the Reggie highlights and assume he breaks everything wide. You could make the same assumption with just about any back's highlights. One of the strengths of Reggie's game is running between the tackles. There is no better back in this draft up the middle. LenDale doesn't compare, Maroney isn't as close as LenDale and DeAngelo is a distant second (he's better than credited too, btw).

Here's a scouting report from a character who's sort of anonymous, but he's been at this for years and very good at evaluating players.

1. Initial Quickness Great at snap. Hits the hole so hard and never looks back. Pad level will be at snap sometimes.2. Acceleration Great speed from a complete stop. 1 step to top speed. Won’t be caught.3. Elusiveness Great agility and quickness. Lots of shake, but under control and very smooth.4. Run Strength Can’t be arm tackled up high. Strong kid with good leg strength to carry defenders.5. Inside Running Tough in the tackles and follows blocks. Can gets ‘small’ and gain extra yards. Forward lean.6. Outside Running Speed to the corner and ability to evade defenders.7. Vision/Instincts Sees the field better than almost all backs. Amazing instincts make him so good.8. Running Style Smooth runner that can score on every play. Always runs hard. Goes N/S, won’t lose yards.9. Ball Security Switches hands to avoid Def. Had fumble problems in 2004.10. Blocking Not used often. Needs to become more physical. Lacks strength to take on backers.11. Receiving Skills Stellar hands. Separates well from D, used on wheel routes. Body control is great. Knocked off rts.Here's the same scout covering three different games.
1. Only saw the ball 8 times but still bested 100 yards without a problem. Vision is incredible. Can’t bring him down when he gets a full head of steam.

Quick, good hands and has experience splitting out. Can be knocked off routes easily. Showed great balance as well as acceleration. Quick cuts and great

shake in open field. 4 +’s and 3-‘s in pass pro. Can be tossed aside by backers, needs to improve. (1.25)

2. Phenomenal. Bush is the best player in the country and if he doesn’t go #1 there is a problem. He can do it all. His receiving skills are solid as he shows

good hands and concentration and has the speed to create separation down the field. Then, getting him the ball in open space, it is almost over for the

defense. He possesses great agility and quickness to go along with top notch acceleration and vision. His ability to start and stop and reach top speed is

stunning. But Bush isn’t just a fast guy. He is bigger than you think and can’t be arm tackled up high. He churns his legs and will pick up the hard extra

yards in the pile. He is always looking up field and scanning the field and has amazing vision and instincts. He is one of those players that can see things

before they happen. He hits the hole very hard and won’t lose many yards trying to pull a Barry Sanders. Also follows his blocks very well and can make

himself ‘small’ and hide between leading lineman. Didn’t do much returning kicks but made many people miss. (1.10)

3. There isn’t much to say. He is the best player I have seen in college football in a long time. I’ll start with the negatives. He dropped a pass in the game.

This isn’t a common thing as he is a great receiver. He only was used on pass protection two times. He did the job both times but most of the times he is in

he gets the ball so this needs to be worked on. When he hits the hole he can have a high pad level at times. Reggie has it all but what makes him so special is

his vision and his instincts. He knows what he is going to do so far in advance the defenders don’t have a chance. He feels the defense so well too. He

follows his blocks so well too. Second, he hits the hole so well. His acceleration couple with his vision allow him to always beat the first defender in the

back field. While he isn’t the biggest guy, he will run over DB’s as he has good leg drive and is well-toned in all proportions of his body. He can’t be ankle

tackled either and is hard to bring down. He is unstoppable in the open field. He has great body control to elude defenders and silly moves. He is able to

lean away from defenders to beat them but to also prevent them from making a big hit which will help his durability. Runs with a forward lean. Shows a

good stiff arm and other variety of moves. Can run inside the tackles or outside. Shows speed to corner and then up field. Always going north south unlike

a Barry Sanders. Has the route running ability to be utilized out of the backfield and is experienced lining up outside the hashes. Can run all the

plays…toss, counters, draws, guts, 1-back, 2-back. He has a ton of desire and will do whatever it takes. Good ball security and changes hands to avoid

defenders. (1.05)
 
Pony has admitted he needs help for his unwarranted Bush hatred. :)

He can't help himself, so forgive him.

Bush will not play football under 200-- ever. Forget about it. He is too fit and too lean. He'll just get bigger like LT did. He is considerably bigger than Portis was at the same age. Bush is just under 5-11, btw. The closest compare in height weight strength and speed at the same age is not Portis, it's Tomlinson. Bush is the same height (give an 1/4 inch), 4 pounds lighter, quite a bit faster, and somewhat stronger than LT was at the same stage.

Because I'm a sick puppy, I went through all 400 of LenDale and Reggie's runs last season. I eliminated all runs to the outside. I eliminated all short yardage (3 or less) and goal line runs. Who do you think posted the better YPC up the middle between the tackles? Yep. Reggie Bush is better between the tackles than LenDale and LenDale is very very good between the tackles.

People catch the Reggie highlights and assume he breaks everything wide. You could make the same assumption with just about any back's highlights. One of the strengths of Reggie's game is running between the tackles. There is no better back in this draft up the middle. LenDale doesn't compare, Maroney isn't as close as LenDale and DeAngelo is a distant second (he's better than credited too, btw).

Here's a scouting report from a character who's sort of anonymous, but he's been at this for years and very good at evaluating players.

1. Initial Quickness Great at snap. Hits the hole so hard and never looks back. Pad level will be at snap sometimes.2. Acceleration Great speed from a complete stop. 1 step to top speed. Won’t be caught.3. Elusiveness Great agility and quickness. Lots of shake, but under control and very smooth.4. Run Strength Can’t be arm tackled up high. Strong kid with good leg strength to carry defenders.5. Inside Running Tough in the tackles and follows blocks. Can gets ‘small’ and gain extra yards. Forward lean.6. Outside Running Speed to the corner and ability to evade defenders.7. Vision/Instincts Sees the field better than almost all backs. Amazing instincts make him so good.8. Running Style Smooth runner that can score on every play. Always runs hard. Goes N/S, won’t lose yards.9. Ball Security Switches hands to avoid Def. Had fumble problems in 2004.10. Blocking Not used often. Needs to become more physical. Lacks strength to take on backers.11. Receiving Skills Stellar hands. Separates well from D, used on wheel routes. Body control is great. Knocked off rts.Here's the same scout covering three different games.
1. Only saw the ball 8 times but still bested 100 yards without a problem. Vision is incredible. Can’t bring him down when he gets a full head of steam.

Quick, good hands and has experience splitting out. Can be knocked off routes easily. Showed great balance as well as acceleration. Quick cuts and great

shake in open field. 4 +’s and 3-‘s in pass pro. Can be tossed aside by backers, needs to improve. (1.25)

2. Phenomenal. Bush is the best player in the country and if he doesn’t go #1 there is a problem. He can do it all. His receiving skills are solid as he shows

good hands and concentration and has the speed to create separation down the field. Then, getting him the ball in open space, it is almost over for the

defense. He possesses great agility and quickness to go along with top notch acceleration and vision. His ability to start and stop and reach top speed is

stunning. But Bush isn’t just a fast guy. He is bigger than you think and can’t be arm tackled up high. He churns his legs and will pick up the hard extra

yards in the pile. He is always looking up field and scanning the field and has amazing vision and instincts. He is one of those players that can see things

before they happen. He hits the hole very hard and won’t lose many yards trying to pull a Barry Sanders. Also follows his blocks very well and can make

himself ‘small’ and hide between leading lineman. Didn’t do much returning kicks but made many people miss. (1.10)

3. There isn’t much to say. He is the best player I have seen in college football in a long time. I’ll start with the negatives. He dropped a pass in the game.

This isn’t a common thing as he is a great receiver. He only was used on pass protection two times. He did the job both times but most of the times he is in

he gets the ball so this needs to be worked on. When he hits the hole he can have a high pad level at times. Reggie has it all but what makes him so special is

his vision and his instincts. He knows what he is going to do so far in advance the defenders don’t have a chance. He feels the defense so well too. He

follows his blocks so well too. Second, he hits the hole so well. His acceleration couple with his vision allow him to always beat the first defender in the

back field. While he isn’t the biggest guy, he will run over DB’s as he has good leg drive and is well-toned in all proportions of his body. He can’t be ankle

tackled either and is hard to bring down. He is unstoppable in the open field. He has great body control to elude defenders and silly moves. He is able to

lean away from defenders to beat them but to also prevent them from making a big hit which will help his durability. Runs with a forward lean. Shows a

good stiff arm and other variety of moves. Can run inside the tackles or outside. Shows speed to corner and then up field. Always going north south unlike

a Barry Sanders. Has the route running ability to be utilized out of the backfield and is experienced lining up outside the hashes. Can run all the

plays…toss, counters, draws, guts, 1-back, 2-back. He has a ton of desire and will do whatever it takes. Good ball security and changes hands to avoid

defenders. (1.05)
Funny to see soemone with eyes actually posting. :thumbup:
 
7. Vision/Instincts Sees the field better than almost all backs. Amazing instincts make him so good.Vision is incredible. He is always looking up field and scanning the field and has amazing vision and instincts. He is one of those players that can see thingsbefore they happen. Reggie has it all but what makes him so special ishis vision and his instincts. He knows what he is going to do so far in advance the defenders don’t have a chance. He feels the defense so well too. Hefollows his blocks so well too.
Stoll these from you CC, hope ya don't mind.More than anything else, this is what seperates Bush from every other back, Peterson included. Talk about the speed and the jar-dropping jukes all you want. Talk about power, pad level and acceleration. None of it matters half as much as this IMO. :thumbup:
 
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OK...Reggie looked good in college, and wants some *THIRTY* Million *GRINGO* Dollars for 'Dat LoOk!?!

Charles Rogers looked good to Detroit, in 2003. Joey looked good @ 1.03 to Detroit in 2002, and they are dumping Joey before the 2006 season really starts!?! Detroit did manage to land Kevin Jones @ 1.30 back in 2004, and maybe he will do something this year.

Reggie Bush is a Legend in his own mind, and in the USC minds, and in the Mainstream Media's hype of such 'Thangs; however, he is lanky, one NFL *HIT* will probably end his career, and he ain't worth more than *TWO* Million *GRINGO* Dollars over the next 20-years...in my humble Low and Ignorant Insane swamp hermit's opinion.

The Texans are looking at all options here, in my humble opinion, and they have no need for a scat-back RB...especially one that has problems maintaining even 200-pounds...simple as that.

Enough said,

Karmi

Karmic SLAUGHTERER

 
OK...Reggie looked good in college, and wants some *THIRTY* Million *GRINGO* Dollars for 'Dat LoOk!?!

Charles Rogers looked good to Detroit, in 2003. Joey looked good @ 1.03 to Detroit in 2002, and they are dumping Joey before the 2006 season really starts!?! Detroit did manage to land Kevin Jones @ 1.30 back in 2004, and maybe he will do something this year.

Reggie Bush is a Legend in his own mind, and in the USC minds, and in the Mainstream Media's hype of such 'Thangs; however, he is lanky, one NFL *HIT* will probably end his career, and he ain't worth more than *TWO* Million *GRINGO* Dollars over the next 20-years...in my humble Low and Ignorant Insane swamp hermit's opinion.

The Texans are looking at all options here, in my humble opinion, and they have no need for a scat-back RB...especially one that has problems maintaining even 200-pounds...simple as that.

Enough said,

Karmi

Karmic SLAUGHTERER
wtf
 
Reggie is kidding himself @ anything over 20-million gringo dollars. Heck, he was a scat-back in college (at *BEST*)!!!

Walter...Emmitt...Marshall...and, *OTHERS*, never needed lots of help at the college level, and they proved it in the NFL. Reggie might not last beyond one major NFL hit...so to speak.

Enough said...
You've convinced me. Reggie doesn't even belong in the NFL. A scat back like him shouldn't even be a first day pick.
Did i say or even suggest that?!?! ILUVBEER99, do not try to put yore Dualistic "words" into my mouth, unless you do not respect Karma, and you are prepared to deal with yore own Karma on...on...on the Non-Dualistic areas that yore own Karma is about to make you swallow.Reggie was good in college; however, he was nothing but a scat-back when it mattered...so to speak of Reggie being a steal on the first pick of the second day.

Karmi
Reverse karma ploy. I'm pegging you for a Bush owner!
The FF Season hasn't even started yet...heck, the NFL Draft hasn't happened yet, and humble me is being pegged as a "Bush owner!"!?!? Sorry...i did draft Kevin and Cadillac last year. Samkon helped, but not much helped after drafting QB McNabb and WR Walker. Anyway, i am still fairly new to Fantasy Football, but won a Championship in my first year, and a few in my second year. This is like my 7th year (???), so i am nor a "newbie".

i have Dom in my only Dynasty League, and see no reason why the Texans would be foolish enough to over-pay for a RB!!!

Anyway, at the rate that 'Thangs are headed, humble me is thinking that RB's in FF might soon encompass the whole NFL's team of RB's; however, i am probably wrong, and never played FF back during the days of "snail-mail".

;)

 
Reggie is kidding himself @ anything over 20-million gringo dollars. Heck, he was a scat-back in college (at *BEST*)!!!

Walter...Emmitt...Marshall...and, *OTHERS*, never needed lots of help at the college level, and they proved it in the NFL. Reggie might not last beyond one major NFL hit...so to speak.

Enough said...
You've convinced me. Reggie doesn't even belong in the NFL. A scat back like him shouldn't even be a first day pick.
Did i say or even suggest that?!?! ILUVBEER99, do not try to put yore Dualistic "words" into my mouth, unless you do not respect Karma, and you are prepared to deal with yore own Karma on...on...on the Non-Dualistic areas that yore own Karma is about to make you swallow.Reggie was good in college; however, he was nothing but a scat-back when it mattered...so to speak of Reggie being a steal on the first pick of the second day.

Karmi
Reverse karma ploy. I'm pegging you for a Bush owner!
The FF Season hasn't even started yet...heck, the NFL Draft hasn't happened yet, and humble me is being pegged as a "Bush owner!"!?!? Sorry...i did draft Kevin and Cadillac last year. Samkon helped, but not much helped after drafting QB McNabb and WR Walker. Anyway, i am still fairly new to Fantasy Football, but won a Championship in my first year, and a few in my second year. This is like my 7th year (???), so i am nor a "newbie".

i have Dom in my only Dynasty League, and see no reason why the Texans would be foolish enough to over-pay for a RB!!!

Anyway, at the rate that 'Thangs are headed, humble me is thinking that RB's in FF might soon encompass the whole NFL's team of RB's; however, i am probably wrong, and never played FF back during the days of "snail-mail".

;)
The truth shall set you free!
 

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