Can you kick a long-time friend/owner out? (1 Viewer)

[jdoggydogg]

3 years ago, OWNER A did a poor job of managing his team towards the end of the season...and ended up giving the owners that were playing him an advantage in the end who were playing him. He has no social life, so fantasy is one big outlet for him. He has promised again that he will be more engaged this season. I think he will take this ousting very hard, and will feel awkward around guys he considers good friends in the future (and vice versa). My thought now is...Is Fantasy really this important?? Of course, we do all put $250 in the league.

I find that people often find time to do the things that are meaningful to them. How important can this league be to him if he slacks off on simple ownership duties?

 

[Mark Wimer]

UPDATE: Unbelievable...but the league just imploded. Done after 10 years. Oh well...probably for the best. Too many egos who can't understand how to compromise...and probably not a good commish.

Frankly probably the best thing that could've happened from what I can tell. If those guys are much past the age of 16, they have bigger issues than that league.Get your fisherman friend and start up another league.

make fisherman the commish - he'll understand about real life vs. fantasy issues and be a good leader, if my guess is right

 

[Couch Potato]

Question -- what kind of bait does he use to catch commercials?

 

[PRAE]

no way you can kick him out!! He just won the championship two years ago... he is turning in his lineup... no brainer.

 

[Addai's Adidas]

I guess using this logic the Bucs never should have won a superbowl. They sucked so bad all the good players went to other teams. Did you see all the free agents they didn't sign?

 

[Irish]

How did the league implode? Did the people that wanted your friend out of the league decide to quit? Sometimes, in fantasy especially, I've seen it many times over the years, people get excited and say something they shouldn't and cause an uproar and everyone gets all excited. If I were you (I'm really just giving an opinion, not that my opinion is right at all), I would tell everyone in the league that the league will be put on hold for a couple days. Lock the site down if you can, and say after that time, you will get back to everyone. Hopefully by then everything will have cooled off. Good luck, it sucks when a league of friends has problems.

The guys who wanted him out said that if he stayed, the league was going downhill and they wouldn't be in it (2 owners). I said "fine". The next thing you know, I was being accused of trying to manipulate the vote Owner A's way. I stopped the conversation, told them I was "done", and hung up. League over. I'm tired of being the one to solve all the problems while being accused of manipulation at the same time...no one else seems to have a clue what it takes to be a commish.I'm now not willing to be in a league with those 2, even though they are also two of my best friends. We are now pondering a Split League...8 teams in each...the winner of each league facing in the Super Bowl at the end. That way Owner A, myself, and the other supporter of his can do our own thing...and the other guys can still have an 8-man league with their new guy. Anyone ever try this? Sounds like a decent compromise (although I still can't believe they have taken this stance)...

It sounds like you quit on your own league also. The two owners just wanted their buddy in the league. Find a 2nd new owner and expand to 12 team league. This is why I like keeper and dynasty leagues. When teams are out of playoff hunt there is still decisions on FA and trades to be made to help shape up their team for next season.

 

[glumpy]

How did the league implode? Did the people that wanted your friend out of the league decide to quit? Sometimes, in fantasy especially, I've seen it many times over the years, people get excited and say something they shouldn't and cause an uproar and everyone gets all excited. If I were you (I'm really just giving an opinion, not that my opinion is right at all), I would tell everyone in the league that the league will be put on hold for a couple days. Lock the site down if you can, and say after that time, you will get back to everyone. Hopefully by then everything will have cooled off. Good luck, it sucks when a league of friends has problems.

The guys who wanted him out said that if he stayed, the league was going downhill and they wouldn't be in it (2 owners). I said "fine". The next thing you know, I was being accused of trying to manipulate the vote Owner A's way. I stopped the conversation, told them I was "done", and hung up. League over. I'm tired of being the one to solve all the problems while being accused of manipulation at the same time...no one else seems to have a clue what it takes to be a commish.I'm now not willing to be in a league with those 2, even though they are also two of my best friends.

We are now pondering a Split League...8 teams in each...the winner of each league facing in the Super Bowl at the end. That way Owner A, myself, and the other supporter of his can do our own thing...and the other guys can still have an 8-man league with their new guy.

Anyone ever try this? Sounds like a decent compromise (although I still can't believe they have taken this stance)...

This sounds like our long time league--long time friends, this league is (for some of us) the lifeline to maintain contact through everyone's crazy schedules. Every year there's frustration and at some point people throw up their hands and "quit". Then, fortunately, cooler senses prevail and the league goes on. I would suggest you keep something going. If you're worn out as commish (real understandable) establish a co-commish to help with the league management--reading between the lines you really want to keep this intact. Best would be to maintain 10 people as your league was set up--but if there are 8 right now ready and willing then fly with that until more join in...if it's like the one I'm in there's a line ready to join and you may be back to 10 before the season starts. Or 12. If others want to set up another parallel league then that's cool--but not your problem; you don't have to split yours to accommodate theirs.

For the record, without having voted yet, my immediate reaction was not to boot your friend. He pays; he participates; he's motivated. I know fishing--and that's a helluva tough way to make a living. If I am reading things right this is one of the things that keeps him in touch with a saner existence. Don't let the inevitable frustrations take away something that everyone has enjoyed for so long. Good luck.

 

[gump]

Here's the latest:

Cooler heads prevailed. We finally agreed to disagree on the booting issue, and create 2 Split leagues. I'll continue to be in the original with the other 8 guys and the NEW owner. The other supporter and I will also be in the second league, with the former Owner A and 7 new guys we have already found (some have actually been in the original league before, but moved or quit).

So our original league will continue as usual, with Owner A being replaced by the new guy.

We'll run both leagues on the same website (MFL), and the winner of each league will play at the end of the season. Most of the winnings will go to the winner of each 10-man league though (and entry fees will be separate).

It's a solution I'm not exactly happy with, because Owner A is now gone. But at least we are still connected and the original league is intact and moving forward.

I've also told everyone that I am not the "commish" any longer...I am turning in my lineup, will vote when needed, and otherwise keep my mouth shut.

Now back to prepping for the draft...

 

[GoBills02]

I hope this is the correct forum for this.

I am in a major quandry as an owner/commish of a 10-team redraft league that is pretty serious and has been around for about 10 years.

OWNER A has been in the league for about 8 of those 10 years. We are all pretty good friends, and see each other at games, etc. OWNER A moved an hour away from town about 2 years ago, got married, had children, and doesn't really see anyone anymore outside of the league other than myself and 1 other guy. He is a commercial fisherman (owns 3 boats), and is buried in work starting in October.

3 years ago, OWNER A did a poor job of managing his team towards the end of the season...and ended up giving the owners that were playing him an advantage in the end who were playing him. We talked to him about this, and he promised to be a more responsible owner going forward.

2 years ago, OWNER A won the Super Bowl!

Last year, OWNER A started slow at 2-4, won 2 to get to 4-4, then lost his last 5 and averaged only about 60 points in a league where we average about 80. He then lost both Toilet Bowl games to finish last and with the 4th pick. His roster was a mixture of players performing poorly (Cadillac, Edge) and 2nd-tier players that he picked up earlier and never replaced. He had chances to pick up Free Agents and didn't, and had chances to start guys on his bench that were performing better than his starters and made some incorrect roster decisions. He DID turn in his lineup every week, and was available for Free Agency...just never picked anyone up past Week 7.

So...naturally...some owners want him out. The owners pushing for it were never great friends with OWNER A in the first place, and are the ones who take the league very seriously and are involved in every league decision. They want a new owner, OWNER B, who is a good friend of theirs and who lives close by and would be very involved.

The big problem is that OWNER A still wants to be in the league. He has no social life, so fantasy is one big outlet for him. He has promised again that he will be more engaged this season. I think he will take this ousting very hard, and will feel awkward around guys he considers good friends in the future (and vice versa). My thought now is...Is Fantasy really this important?? Of course, we do all put $250 in the league.

We put it to a league vote (replace Owner A?), and it split...3 yes, 4 no, and 2 guys who are new and don't want to be controversial so said "whatever".

As an owner and commish...I put everything to a vote and try to make sure that everyone's voice is heard equally.

So....Would you replace OWNER A?

The guy has been in the league for 8 years. He won the championship two years ago. He pays his league entree fee every year.Why in God's name would you have even considered letting your league vote on whether or not to kick the guy out of the league. That is bush league. If I was Owner A I would quit this sorry ### league.

Sounds like the other new owners just want one of their buddies in and are trying to gang up on a weakened animal. No way you kick him out. Smeone has to finish on last and he did just win the thing 2 years ago.

 

[GoBills02]

Here's the latest:Cooler heads prevailed. We finally agreed to disagree on the booting issue, and create 2 Split leagues. I'll continue to be in the original with the other 8 guys and the NEW owner. The other supporter and I will also be in the second league, with the former Owner A and 7 new guys we have already found (some have actually been in the original league before, but moved or quit).So our original league will continue as usual, with Owner A being replaced by the new guy.We'll run both leagues on the same website (MFL), and the winner of each league will play at the end of the season. Most of the winnings will go to the winner of each 10-man league though (and entry fees will be separate).It's a solution I'm not exactly happy with, because Owner A is now gone. But at least we are still connected and the original league is intact and moving forward.I've also told everyone that I am not the "commish" any longer...I am turning in my lineup, will vote when needed, and otherwise keep my mouth shut.Now back to prepping for the draft...

Ddn't see that coming. Sounds like you play with everyone in my leagues wives.......horrible compromise IMO.

 

[Pittsburgh United]

Sounds like you play with everyone in my leagues wives.......horrible compromise IMO.

 

[j3r3m3y]

I hope this is the correct forum for this.

I am in a major quandry as an owner/commish of a 10-team redraft league that is pretty serious and has been around for about 10 years.

OWNER A has been in the league for about 8 of those 10 years. We are all pretty good friends, and see each other at games, etc. OWNER A moved an hour away from town about 2 years ago, got married, had children, and doesn't really see anyone anymore outside of the league other than myself and 1 other guy. He is a commercial fisherman (owns 3 boats), and is buried in work starting in October.

3 years ago, OWNER A did a poor job of managing his team towards the end of the season...and ended up giving the owners that were playing him an advantage in the end who were playing him. We talked to him about this, and he promised to be a more responsible owner going forward.

2 years ago, OWNER A won the Super Bowl!

Last year, OWNER A started slow at 2-4, won 2 to get to 4-4, then lost his last 5 and averaged only about 60 points in a league where we average about 80. He then lost both Toilet Bowl games to finish last and with the 4th pick. His roster was a mixture of players performing poorly (Cadillac, Edge) and 2nd-tier players that he picked up earlier and never replaced. He had chances to pick up Free Agents and didn't, and had chances to start guys on his bench that were performing better than his starters and made some incorrect roster decisions. He DID turn in his lineup every week, and was available for Free Agency...just never picked anyone up past Week 7.

So...naturally...some owners want him out. The owners pushing for it were never great friends with OWNER A in the first place, and are the ones who take the league very seriously and are involved in every league decision. They want a new owner, OWNER B, who is a good friend of theirs and who lives close by and would be very involved.

The big problem is that OWNER A still wants to be in the league. He has no social life, so fantasy is one big outlet for him. He has promised again that he will be more engaged this season. I think he will take this ousting very hard, and will feel awkward around guys he considers good friends in the future (and vice versa). My thought now is...Is Fantasy really this important?? Of course, we do all put $250 in the league.

We put it to a league vote (replace Owner A?), and it split...3 yes, 4 no, and 2 guys who are new and don't want to be controversial so said "whatever".

As an owner and commish...I put everything to a vote and try to make sure that everyone's voice is heard equally.

So....Would you replace OWNER A?

The guy has been in the league for 8 years. He won the championship two years ago. He pays his league entree fee every year.Why in God's name would you have even considered letting your league vote on whether or not to kick the guy out of the league. That is bush league. If I was Owner A I would quit this sorry ### league.

Sounds like the other new owners just want one of their buddies in and are trying to gang up on a weakened animal. No way you kick him out. Smeone has to finish on last and he did just win the thing 2 years ago.

Agreed. If the owner pays dues, shows up for the draft, turns in a lineup every week and is not colluding with another owner there is no reason to boot him. We have had some owners "mail it in" at times, but if they are in compliance with the list I just gave they are participating.

 

[gump]

Ddn't see that coming. Sounds like you play with everyone in my leagues wives.......horrible compromise IMO.

The way I see it...I've seen some true colors. But fantasy just isn't that important. If I quit, the league would have folded. So I tried to be the "better man" and sacrificed my feelings for the other league members who then would not have had a league to be in.For the record...the guys who want him out are not illogical about it in their minds...no hidden agendas...they just don't think he's involved enough and think that warrants a booting. I agreed to disagree and move on.It'll never be the same again though...at least for me.

 

[NCPanthersFan]

This sounds like our long time league--long time friends, this league is (for some of us) the lifeline to maintain contact through everyone's crazy schedules. Every year there's frustration and at some point people throw up their hands and "quit". Then, fortunately, cooler senses prevail and the league goes on.

I would suggest you keep something going. If you're worn out as commish (real understandable) establish a co-commish to help with the league management--reading between the lines you really want to keep this intact. Best would be to maintain 10 people as your league was set up--but if there are 8 right now ready and willing then fly with that until more join in...if it's like the one I'm in there's a line ready to join and you may be back to 10 before the season starts. Or 12. If others want to set up another parallel league then that's cool--but not your problem; you don't have to split yours to accommodate theirs.

For the record, without having voted yet, my immediate reaction was not to boot your friend. He pays; he participates; he's motivated. I know fishing--and that's a helluva tough way to make a living. If I am reading things right this is one of the things that keeps him in touch with a saner existence. Don't let the inevitable frustrations take away something that everyone has enjoyed for so long. Good luck.

 

[stevegamer]

An owner who is not active is a detriment to the entire league.

In this case, Friends who aren't friends are a detriment to life.This is about a guy who's moved away, and only gets to socialize with you pretty much through this league. It sounds like it a more serious than fun league with the $or at least some want it that way.To the 3 guys who want him gone:How many titles have they won the last 3 years? How many times have they made the playoffs? Apparently they aren't really friends, that's okay - you know that and move on.I think you made the right move stepping down, hopefully you can let those guys know when they really need a friend, tolookin the mirror, and ask themselves what happened with their freind whofishes for a living.

 

[kensat30]

Would you throw poison in a reservoir for $1? $100? $100,000?

Guess we found out what price it takes for these chumps to sell out. A lousy $250.

And you, Mr. Commish, grow some balls. Stand up for what's right and be a man next time.

 

[RudeDog]

This just in........

The NFL has ruled that the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions, Oakland Raiders, Arizona Cardinals and Houston Texans will be eliminated from the NFL due to underperformance.

More at 10:00.

 

[Routilla]

If he pays, he plays.

 

[flranger]

Would you throw poison in a reservoir for $1? $100? $100,000?Guess we found out what price it takes for these chumps to sell out. A lousy $250.And you, Mr. Commish, grow some balls. Stand up for what's right and be a man next time.

I'm on board with this myself. Put everything up for a vote???? A leader should never put up everything for a vote. Somethings sure, but there are times when you just have to make a decision.I do agree on stepping down as commish. I've been longtime commish of our league an have created a succession plan. You say your league "will fold if I don't run it".......I honestly doubt that would be true. I'd guess that someone else in the league also has some leadership capability. I can't wait to see the new levels that one of my buds take our league to, and I'll be happy for all if it gets even better. Thinking that the league is only running because you are there sounds pretty self serving.Not trying to pile on you, sounds like your heart is in the right place and everything but from what I read you stepping down as commish might be a great solution.

 

[gump]

Would you throw poison in a reservoir for $1? $100? $100,000?Guess we found out what price it takes for these chumps to sell out. A lousy $250.And you, Mr. Commish, grow some balls. Stand up for what's right and be a man next time.

I'm on board with this myself. Put everything up for a vote???? A leader should never put up everything for a vote. Somethings sure, but there are times when you just have to make a decision.I do agree on stepping down as commish. I've been longtime commish of our league an have created a succession plan. You say your league "will fold if I don't run it".......I honestly doubt that would be true. I'd guess that someone else in the league also has some leadership capability. I can't wait to see the new levels that one of my buds take our league to, and I'll be happy for all if it gets even better. Thinking that the league is only running because you are there sounds pretty self serving.Not trying to pile on you, sounds like your heart is in the right place and everything but from what I read you stepping down as commish might be a great solution.

You misunderstand the situation. I am "commish" only in that I set up the website, I organize the draft, and I monitor FA, payments, I organize the votes, etc. I do it because I am good at it and like to do it. The league would fold because no one else knows how to run the website, etc. Nothing to do with leadership.I have no authority over any other owner. There is no decision that can be made by me...it has to be made by the league.Ultimately, that is the league's weakness. Without a true commish, it is very difficult to get major decisions made when owners are split.