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Kind of agree with Norville and BladeRunner here. It'll be reported, though there just won't be a huge narrative about the domestic inklings or the nefarious plot of NOI to overthrow the government. Nor will Muhammad Ali suffer by being linked to NOI, nor will Jay-Z, nor Jay Electronica, nor any of the Five Percenters in the Wu, etc.

It'll just be an "isolated incident," much like deaths at the hands of the police used to be until we found something systemic, maybe even endemic to uncontrolled public servants with guns, within those deaths.

I think we're still missing the point on those deaths -- that they're more a function of unions run amok than race -- but hey, to each their own.

 
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NorvilleBarnes said:
Guess that means this story will evaporate pretty quickly.
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Read the story on Microsoft News.  Took 3 paragraphs before they even metioned the attacker and then it was not much.   Instead of talking about the person who did the attack whole article and quotes were on security at the building. On CNN this morning they skimmed over the attacker and the actual attack and also talked about how to better secure the building.  How can anyone say the news does not have an agenda with coverage of these last four incidents since Biden has been in office?

We had a white sex addict mass shooter, an arab muslim mass shooter, a black muslim attack Capitol,, a black mass shooter in Chicago shoots 15 people

I get it..all are bad. All are horrible crimes.  Just be honest in reporting.  On local news this morning they covered the shooter and his background more in 2 minutes than CNN did in 30 minutes.   

 
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Da Guru said:
Read the story on Microsoft News.  Took 3 paragraphs before they even metioned the shooter and then it was not much.   Instead of talking about the person who did the attack whole article and quotes were on security at the building. On CNN this morning they skimmed over the shooter and the attack and also talked about how to better secure the building.  How can anyone say the news does not have an agenda with coverage of these last four incidents since Biden has been in office?

We had a white sex addict mass shooter, an arab muslim mass shooter, a black muslim attack Capitol,, a black mass shooter in Chicago shoots 15 people

I get it..all are bad. All are horrible crimes.  Just be honest in reporting.  On local news this morning they covered the shooter and his background more in 2 minutes than CNN did in 30 minutes.   
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Well...he wasn't a shooter.

And yeah...some of these organizations are going to push one over the other because of how many clicks it gets.

This story isn't going to disappear because of the guy's skin color or faith.  It will disappear because there doesn't seem to be some big message.  He didn't drive the thing into a large crowd...he didn't open fire and kill a bunch of people.

That does not mean it isn't still tragic that one officer is dead and another injured.  But the whole blame the media side is just so tired these days.  Blame the consumers...they are the ones driving the clicks.

 
sho nuff said:
Well...he wasn't a shooter.

And yeah...some of these organizations are going to push one over the other because of how many clicks it gets.

This story isn't going to disappear because of the guy's skin color or faith.  It will disappear because there doesn't seem to be some big message.  He didn't drive the thing into a large crowd...he didn't open fire and kill a bunch of people.

That does not mean it isn't still tragic that one officer is dead and another injured.  But the whole blame the media side is just so tired these days.  Blame the consumers...they are the ones driving the clicks.
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I never blamed the media but you can`t say they cover stories the same.  Be honest.

 
Da Guru said:
I never blamed the media but you can`t say they cover stories the same.  Be honest.
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Im saying its a large complaint on this topic and others.  Not necessarily from you.

Im not saying they cover them the same.  They know darn well what will and what won't get them clicks and views.  Again...its based on the consumer more than anything.

A story about a nation of islam guy running into two officers armed with a knife isn't going to get clicks for all that long.  The officer's death will be discussed...and its callous...but a low body count will always limit the clicks and the length of the story.  If he had run a vehicle into a crowd and caused more casualties or had some big message...it would be covered even more extensively.  If it had been racially motivated, it would have been covered more extensively.  But yeah, even if it were, likely less clicks and being more careful about the story if its a black guy trying to kill white people.  Again...based on the consumers.

The Nashville bombing quickly left the news because there was no real sign of other cooperation or deeper message.  Despite a ridiculous amount of damage.  Also, fortunately nobody killed.

 
parasaurolophus said:
Not as tired as the defend the media at all costs regardless of how ignorant we are about what is happening. 
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Oh...there is plenty to complain about the media about.  I don't think this is it (nor the use of unnamed sources that has been a standard of journalism for years).

 
There’s a very clear bias with the vast majority of media, and yes the MSM certainly leans more left for the most part. Seems like this topic has been absolutely beaten to death in this forum though. I have no idea why people are continuing to choose to watch these clearly biased news stations.

 
sho nuff said:
Oh...there is plenty to complain about the media about.  I don't think this is it (nor the use of unnamed sources that has been a standard of journalism for years).
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And this is the ignorance part of my thesis. 

You comment so strongly on this topic and you didnt even know there were standards set for conduct regarding such things until like a month ago. Standards that are taught in journalism school. Standards that editors used to pride themselves on following. 

Standards that have been thrown out the window. 

You think you know what you are talking about because another lefty told you that unnamed sources have been standard practice. You think OMG i know about deep throat so I am totally right here.

Omg If there werent unnamed sources the newspaper would be the size of an index card! 

Meanwhile anybody with a brain can see that unnamed sources tend to only pop up in political stories and can see with regularity how often the narratives pushed using those sources arent factual and eventually get exposed once they have faded into the background. But of course by then they already served their purpose. 

 
parasaurolophus said:
And this is the ignorance part of my thesis. 

You comment so strongly on this topic and you didnt even know there were standards set for conduct regarding such things until like a month ago. Standards that are taught in journalism school. Standards that editors used to pride themselves on following. 

Standards that have been thrown out the window. 

You think you know what you are talking about because another lefty told you that unnamed sources have been standard practice. You think OMG i know about deep throat so I am totally right here.

Omg If there werent unnamed sources the newspaper would be the size of an index card! 

Meanwhile anybody with a brain can see that unnamed sources tend to only pop up in political stories and can see with regularity how often the narratives pushed using those sources arent factual and eventually get exposed once they have faded into the background. But of course by then they already served their purpose. 
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Except I dod know so your comments about my supposed ignorance is well...incorrect and only showing how little you know about me despite trying to again make this about me.  So instead of fall for then usual back  and  forth...I will leave you proclaiming false things about me and about standards being thrown out the window.

 
I didn't even hear about this until Tim Pool on youtube. Isn't on any of my "news feeds." Only channel I imagine getting  longer than a day of coverage is Fox news and then they'll move on to getting people outraged about AOC and Pelosi and Biden falling up stairs. 

That is the media bias. Atlanta sex shooting was labeled white supremacist organized attack for a week. Boulder was labeled white supremacist until someone did 5 minutes of research and saw he wasn't white. Then it was gone except for the Fox news outrage cycle. California shooting wasn't even reported except as a local shooting you see every night in the 6 o clock news. 

You can feel free to believe what you want but you can only ignore the obvious for so long. We're being manipulated to hate each other. Always have been. 

 
Insein said:
I didn't even hear about this until Tim Pool on youtube. Isn't on any of my "news feeds." Only channel I imagine getting  longer than a day of coverage is Fox news and then they'll move on to getting people outraged about AOC and Pelosi and Biden falling up stairs. 

That is the media bias. Atlanta sex shooting was labeled white supremacist organized attack for a week. Boulder was labeled white supremacist until someone did 5 minutes of research and saw he wasn't white. Then it was gone except for the Fox news outrage cycle. California shooting wasn't even reported except as a local shooting you see every night in the 6 o clock news. 

You can feel free to believe what you want but you can only ignore the obvious for so long. We're being manipulated to hate each other. Always have been. 
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I’m constantly told it’s only the sources in a certain quadrant of a matrix do this.  

 
Insein said:
I didn't even hear about this until Tim Pool on youtube. Isn't on any of my "news feeds." Only channel I imagine getting  longer than a day of coverage is Fox news and then they'll move on to getting people outraged about AOC and Pelosi and Biden falling up stairs. 

That is the media bias. Atlanta sex shooting was labeled white supremacist organized attack for a week. Boulder was labeled white supremacist until someone did 5 minutes of research and saw he wasn't white. Then it was gone except for the Fox news outrage cycle. California shooting wasn't even reported except as a local shooting you see every night in the 6 o clock news. 

You can feel free to believe what you want but you can only ignore the obvious for so long. We're being manipulated to hate each other. Always have been. 
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I was the first one to share information on the murderer and it came from a NBC reporter, which I’d consider left-leaning MSM. His thread detailed his devout support for Farrakhan and he linked out to a NBC article which has a picture of the murderer in the story.

I’m all for calling out the media on their hypocrisy and I don’t disagree this will be out of the newscycle by end of the weekend, but let’s not pretend this story wasn’t all over social media/the news yesterday.

 
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I was the first one to share information on the murderer and it came from a NBC reporter, which I’d consider left-leaning MSM. His thread detailed his devout support for Farrakhan and he linked out to a NBC article which has a picture of the murderer in the story.

I’m all for calling out the media on their hypocrisy and I don’t disagree this will be out of the newscycle by end of the weekend, but let’s not pretend this story wasn’t all over social media/the news yesterday.
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Only inklings I saw were the right leaning people making jokes about impeachment for Biden due to incitement of a terrorist. That's what is happening. They make outrageous allegations against one side to get them all riled up and then anything there after is a "whataboutism". Divide and conquer.

 
This story was the headline on HuffPost all day yesterday. From skimming that I knew he was a Nation of Islam follower, posted some extreme stuff on social media, seemed like he was losing grip from reality, and that the FBI is going to look into his background I presume to see who he talked to, if this is part of a larger threat, look for larger threats.

 
Much as I dislike the Nation of Islam (they tend to be racist and anti-Semitic which IMO overrides any positive contribution they’ve made to the inner cities) they don’t, to the best of my knowledge, advocate storming the Capitol. The reason that the January 6 attack was so noteworthy was because President Trump and several of his closest advisors actually urged those nuts to do what they did. THATS why it got so much attention, and THATS why had this idiot been a Trump supporter it would have received so much more attention than it is getting right now. Nothing to do with “liberal bias” (which remains the biggest myth in American society.) 

 
timschochet said:
Much as I dislike the Nation of Islam (they tend to be racist and anti-Semitic which IMO overrides any positive contribution they’ve made to the inner cities) they don’t, to the best of my knowledge, advocate storming the Capitol. The reason that the January 6 attack was so noteworthy was because President Trump and several of his closest advisors actually urged those nuts to do what they did. THATS why it got so much attention, and THATS why had this idiot been a Trump supporter it would have received so much more attention than it is getting right now. Nothing to do with “liberal bias” (which remains the biggest myth in American society.) 
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No, they just believe that Hitler was  "great man", among a cornucopia of other antisemitic beliefs.  

But, no worries, Twitter has no problems with keeping the account of Farrakhan going.  Says everything you need to know about the lunacy of these big tech companies.

 
timschochet said:
Much as I dislike the Nation of Islam (they tend to be racist and anti-Semitic which IMO overrides any positive contribution they’ve made to the inner cities) they don’t, to the best of my knowledge, advocate storming the Capitol. The reason that the January 6 attack was so noteworthy was because President Trump and several of his closest advisors actually urged those nuts to do what they did. THATS why it got so much attention, and THATS why had this idiot been a Trump supporter it would have received so much more attention than it is getting right now. Nothing to do with “liberal bias” (which remains the biggest myth in American society.) 
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The fact that you still believe this shows how effective it is. 

 
Insein said:
The fact that you still believe this shows how effective it is. 
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Rather a circular argument isn’t it? 
 

Reminds me of a quote by the governor of California during World War II, a Democrat by the name of Earl Warren, who successfully advocated the internment of Japanese Americans: 

“The fact that there is no evidence of espionage or suspicious activity by Japanese Americans only goes to prove how dangerous they are if we allow them to stay free among us.” 

 
Bucsfan5493 said:
There’s a very clear bias with the vast majority of media, and yes the MSM certainly leans more left for the most part. Seems like this topic has been absolutely beaten to death in this forum though. I have no idea why people are continuing to choose to watch these clearly biased news stations.
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Mostly to prove that they are still biased and ##### about it, is what it seems like.   Doesn't feel like people get their news there, mostly just a "gotcha" to confirm their suspicions  .... while generating clicks and time on site to continue the cycle of the sites thinking this what the people want.  :loco:  

 
KarmaPolice said:
Mostly to prove that they are still biased and ##### about it, is what it seems like.   Doesn't feel like people get their news there, mostly just a "gotcha" to confirm their suspicions  .... while generating clicks and time on site to continue the cycle of the sites thinking this what the people want.  :loco:  
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I think this is pretty much right.  It would be great to have some good sources of information, but there is no reason to watch that garbage unless you are already a convert or want to get mad at the hypocrisy.  I think those two categories encompass 99% of the posters in this forum.

Don't want to be a hypocrite myself, so while I would never watch that garbage I do enjoy when someone links it to show the absurdity.  It's the new comedy but with the benefit of anger thrown in.

 
KarmaPolice said:
Mostly to prove that they are still biased and ##### about it, is what it seems like.   Doesn't feel like people get their news there, mostly just a "gotcha" to confirm their suspicions  .... while generating clicks and time on site to continue the cycle of the sites thinking this what the people want.  :loco:  
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You are correct on all points except the last. They don't think this is what people want. They are giving it to people knowing that this is how people will react. Works to make the people at each other's throats in an endless cycle of one upsmanship on who can get the best "gotcha." This effectively silences those with reasonable thoughts as they are labeled by either side as the opposition and lumped in with the radical fringes. All the while the media makes money pushing the elite agenda. 

 
Insein said:
You are correct on all points except the last. They don't think this is what people want. They are giving it to people knowing that this is how people will react. Works to make the people at each other's throats in an endless cycle of one upsmanship on who can get the best "gotcha." This effectively silences those with reasonable thoughts as they are labeled by either side as the opposition and lumped in with the radical fringes. All the while the media makes money pushing the elite agenda. 
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You don't think that people en masse stopped clicking on those links and stopped watching those shows that they would change over time?  IMO it's worse now because not only will somebody go to CNN for some gotcha, now they will link a video on SM and generate a ton of clicks while they rile others up.  

I can't get on board with your (and it seems like a lot of others on the right share this idea too) statement that they are "pushing the elite agenda".   They are a business.   IMO they care much more about clicks and time on site than they do some nefarious agenda.  Choose to stop generating those clicks and time on site.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
You don't think that people en masse stopped clicking on those links and stopped watching those shows that they would change over time?  IMO it's worse now because not only will somebody go to CNN for some gotcha, now they will link a video on SM and generate a ton of clicks while they rile others up.  

I can't get on board with your (and it seems like a lot of others on the right share this idea too) statement that they are "pushing the elite agenda".   They are a business.   IMO they care much more about clicks and time on site than they do some nefarious agenda.  Choose to stop generating those clicks and time on site.  
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I think the bolded is partly correct.  Nothing survives that doesn't generate revenue.  That of course doesn't mean that its agenda-less.  The art is in getting people to pay for your agenda.  Not unlike politics.

I found this opinion piece interesting and think related to the topic. 

LINK

 
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You don't think that people en masse stopped clicking on those links and stopped watching those shows that they would change over time?  IMO it's worse now because not only will somebody go to CNN for some gotcha, now they will link a video on SM and generate a ton of clicks while they rile others up.  

I can't get on board with your (and it seems like a lot of others on the right share this idea too) statement that they are "pushing the elite agenda".   They are a business.   IMO they care much more about clicks and time on site than they do some nefarious agenda.  Choose to stop generating those clicks and time on site.  
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So i assume with this big push to just following the clicks and interests of the people the media must be having very profitable years every year?

 
timschochet said:
Much as I dislike the Nation of Islam (they tend to be racist and anti-Semitic which IMO overrides any positive contribution they’ve made to the inner cities) they don’t, to the best of my knowledge, advocate storming the Capitol. The reason that the January 6 attack was so noteworthy was because President Trump and several of his closest advisors actually urged those nuts to do what they did. THATS why it got so much attention, and THATS why had this idiot been a Trump supporter it would have received so much more attention than it is getting right now. Nothing to do with “liberal bias” (which remains the biggest myth in American society.) 
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It’s unbelievable and a little bit frightening that you think liberal bias in the media is one of the biggest myths in American society.  Stunning actually.

 
ekbeats said:
It’s unbelievable and a little bit frightening that you think liberal bias in the media is one of the biggest myths in American society.  Stunning actually.
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CBS News - the hard news part of it, just put out a tweet on how "companies can fight the restrictive Georgia voting law".  

Tim, you're right, it's not liberal bias.  They've gone straight to propaganda arm.  Not even going to go into how much of the reporting on the law was flat out incorrect (but, then again, propaganda doesn't really need to be true to be effective).

 
KarmaPolice said:
You don't think that people en masse stopped clicking on those links and stopped watching those shows that they would change over time?  IMO it's worse now because not only will somebody go to CNN for some gotcha, now they will link a video on SM and generate a ton of clicks while they rile others up.  

I can't get on board with your (and it seems like a lot of others on the right share this idea too) statement that they are "pushing the elite agenda".   They are a business.   IMO they care much more about clicks and time on site than they do some nefarious agenda.  Choose to stop generating those clicks and time on site.  
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It was the very topic of the show the Newsroom.  Pushing for ratings over content.

 
Sand said:
CBS News - the hard news part of it, just put out a tweet on how "companies can fight the restrictive Georgia voting law".  

Tim, you're right, it's not liberal bias.  They've gone straight to propaganda arm.  Not even going to go into how much of the reporting on the law was flat out incorrect (but, then again, propaganda doesn't really need to be true to be effective).
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It's like we have failed at an elementary educational level to teach people to distinguish fact from opinion.  When our news outlets today report facts, they also report opinions tied to them and tout them as facts.  To try and drive actions based on those opinions is even a step further.

 
timschochet said:
Much as I dislike the Nation of Islam (they tend to be racist and anti-Semitic which IMO overrides any positive contribution they’ve made to the inner cities) they don’t, to the best of my knowledge, advocate storming the Capitol. The reason that the January 6 attack was so noteworthy was because President Trump and several of his closest advisors actually urged those nuts to do what they did. THATS why it got so much attention, and THATS why had this idiot been a Trump supporter it would have received so much more attention than it is getting right now. Nothing to do with “liberal bias” (which remains the biggest myth in American society.) 
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Trump did not urge anyone to storm the Capitol.  It is amazing how much the left loves to read between the tea leaves when Trump talks, but tries to claim context when the left says something dumb.  It is 100 percent political bias and pushing a narrative.  But no matter how clear it is, you will always be in denial. 

 
jon_mx said:
Trump did not urge anyone to storm the Capitol.  It is amazing how much the left loves to read between the tea leaves when Trump talks, but tries to claim context when the left says something dumb.  It is 100 percent political bias and pushing a narrative.  But no matter how clear it is, you will always be in denial. 
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I'd actually be interested in seeing the most relevant Trump quotes that people can reference to draw this inference.  I mean, I think its relevant.  

 
Sand said:
CBS News - the hard news part of it, just put out a tweet on how "companies can fight the restrictive Georgia voting law".  

Tim, you're right, it's not liberal bias.  They've gone straight to propaganda arm.  Not even going to go into how much of the reporting on the law was flat out incorrect (but, then again, propaganda doesn't really need to be true to be effective).
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I try to keep an open mind in this forum.  But you will never convince me there isn’t a Liberal bias in the media.  Just like you can’t convince me that Fox News isn’t Conservative biased.  There was a study done about 6 years ago that found something like 7% of the media is registered as Republican.  I mean, this isn’t even debatable.  People hardly conduct studies on this anymore because it is already so clear to the naked eye.  Hard to believe anyone who is half paying attention doesn’t see this. 

 
jon_mx said:
Trump did not urge anyone to storm the Capitol.  It is amazing how much the left loves to read between the tea leaves when Trump talks, but tries to claim context when the left says something dumb.  It is 100 percent political bias and pushing a narrative.  But no matter how clear it is, you will always be in denial. 
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So the thousands that went down there immediately following his speech was just a coincidence?

 
djmich said:
I'd actually be interested in seeing the most relevant Trump quotes that people can reference to draw this inference.  I mean, I think its relevant.  
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The best I have seen the the slogan 'stop the steal' = 'storm the Capitol'  

 
djmich said:
I'd actually be interested in seeing the most relevant Trump quotes that people can reference to draw this inference.  I mean, I think its relevant.  
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I'm not sure how Trump's name keeps coming up in discussions over a Nation of Islam and Farrakhan supporter killing a police officer at the capitol.  

 
the moops said:
So the thousands that went down there immediately following his speech was just a coincidence?
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The people who planned violence were the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.  And if you see what the authorities said about their chatter was they were planning violence because they knew Trump would not do anything. 

 
djmich said:
I'd actually be interested in seeing the most relevant Trump quotes that people can reference to draw this inference.  I mean, I think its relevant.  
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He said something like “we have to fight like hell”.  Clearly a euphemism that is used on the daily in the political world.  He also said: "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."  Trump did a lot of things wrong after the election, but he did not tell that crowd to violently storm the Capitol.

 
jon_mx said:
The people who planned violence were the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers.  And if you see what the authorities said about their chatter was they were planning violence because they knew Trump would not do anything. 
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I remember a time where you shouted from the rooftops that this most assuredly not a planned event. 

 
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