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- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets

- Fitzgerald taking his game to another level

- Ross getting dominated on OL

- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense

- DBs are vastly improved

- Shipp going to win goalline duties

- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations

- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge

- Dansby performing at a ProBowl level

 
- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets

- Fitzgerald taking his game to another level

- Ross getting dominated on OL

- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense

- DBs are vastly improved

- Shipp going to win goalline duties

- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations

- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge

- Dansby performing at a ProBowl level
I think the edge will get very very dull this year.
 
- Ross getting dominated on OL- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense- Shipp going to win goalline duties- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations
Still feel Edge is a "sleeper"?
 
- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge
Thx for the info. Can you please elaborate on what is meant on this point?Because Shpp will get goal lne? Because he's not playing well?
It was stated on Sports talk radio this morning, he may have stated it during an interview. He feels bad because the O-Line has been sucking and Edge runs hard. Personally, I think Grimm and Levi Brown will turn the run-blocking around eventually, it's just a matter of how long it will take...could take a year.
 
- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets

- Fitzgerald taking his game to another level

- Ross getting dominated on OL

- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense

- DBs are vastly improved

- Shipp going to win goalline duties

- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations

- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge

- Dansby performing at a ProBowl level
Sort of points to getting away from the run run run ideaology that's been the buzz all off season. If the OL is getting dominated by an average D and the stud TE can't block then I can't see how Boldin and Fitz should brace for less targets. It's all good to talk about running more but if the line can't get it done and you have Pope, Fitz, Boldin, Bryant then I can't see them sticking to the "plan" for too long. There's just too many observations above that go against that. What exactly is "another level" for Fitz? And if he is, why would the O try to get him the ball less?

How is Deuce Latui (sp?) looking at guard?

Why does Whiz feel bad for Edge? Because he's going to run him for 350 2 yard gains?

I just don't buy the team that has all these receiving threats without the run support personnel sticking to a run first and often mentality. At keast not until Whiz has a chance to build the team for it first.

 
- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets- Fitzgerald taking his game to another level
These two interest me. If Fitz is stepping it up a notch (scary thought actually), and Boldin and Fitz are preparing for less targets, do you think this implies that Boldin will take a huge step back this year and Fitzgerald only a small one? Either way, thanks for the intel.
 
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- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge
Thx for the info. Can you please elaborate on what is meant on this point?Because Shpp will get goal lne? Because he's not playing well?
It was stated on Sports talk radio this morning, he may have stated it during an interview. He feels bad because the O-Line has been sucking and Edge runs hard. Personally, I think Grimm and Levi Brown will turn the run-blocking around eventually, it's just a matter of how long it will take...could take a year.
Thanks. :thumbup:
 
- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge
Thx for the info. Can you please elaborate on what is meant on this point?Because Shpp will get goal lne? Because he's not playing well?
It was stated on Sports talk radio this morning, he may have stated it during an interview. He feels bad because the O-Line has been sucking and Edge runs hard. Personally, I think Grimm and Levi Brown will turn the run-blocking around eventually, it's just a matter of how long it will take...could take a year.
I heard that Hood was the only standout CB and Rolle/Green were sucking really bad.Also heard johnson is a beast at center and has been pushing around Gabe and Alan.This is from people that are watching training camp. Buth Ross being dominated is exactly what I heard as well.
 
Ugh, o-line news makes me want to trade Leinart for Cutler. Glad I don't own Edge. Still, nothing really new in this thread, but to to remiond yourself of the reality of the situation: O-line a year away...that's really all you need to know. If the o-line can't block everything else grinds to a halt.

 
Ugh, o-line news makes me want to trade Leinart for Cutler. Glad I don't own Edge. Still, nothing really new in this thread, but to to remiond yourself of the reality of the situation: O-line a year away...that's really all you need to know. If the o-line can't block everything else grinds to a halt.
We've been a decent pass blocking team recently. I wouldn't lump all blocking into the same category...particularly with this team.
 
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I heard that Hood was the only standout CB and Rolle/Green were sucking really bad.
I've heard the same except for Rolle who is apparantely making strides under the new defensive minded coaching regime.
Also heard johnson is a beast at center and has been pushing around Gabe and Alan.
I've heard good things about Johnson, but haven't heard the "pushing around."
This is from people that are watching training camp. Buth Ross being dominated is exactly what I heard as well.
Yeah...Jurecki said this yesterday afternoon.
 
Sort of points to getting away from the run run run ideaology that's been the buzz all off season. If the OL is getting dominated by an average D and the stud TE can't block then I can't see how Boldin and Fitz should brace for less targets. It's all good to talk about running more but if the line can't get it done and you have Pope, Fitz, Boldin, Bryant then I can't see them sticking to the "plan" for too long. There's just too many observations above that go against that. What exactly is "another level" for Fitz? And if he is, why would the O try to get him the ball less?How is Deuce Latui (sp?) looking at guard?Why does Whiz feel bad for Edge? Because he's going to run him for 350 2 yard gains?I just don't buy the team that has all these receiving threats without the run support personnel sticking to a run first and often mentality. At keast not until Whiz has a chance to build the team for it first.
:goodposting: If your o-line can't run block then you are going to have to throw.
 
- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets

- Fitzgerald taking his game to another level

- Ross getting dominated on OL

- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense

- DBs are vastly improved

- Shipp going to win goalline duties

- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations

- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge

- Dansby performing at a ProBowl level
Sort of points to getting away from the run run run ideaology that's been the buzz all off season. If the OL is getting dominated by an average D and the stud TE can't block then I can't see how Boldin and Fitz should brace for less targets. It's all good to talk about running more but if the line can't get it done and you have Pope, Fitz, Boldin, Bryant then I can't see them sticking to the "plan" for too long. There's just too many observations above that go against that.
Completely agree. Whisenhunt wants to run the ball and probably will rull the ball a bit more(especially in the first half), but when you're playing catch up you're going to be forced to pass.
 
Sort of points to getting away from the run run run ideaology that's been the buzz all off season. If the OL is getting dominated by an average D and the stud TE can't block then I can't see how Boldin and Fitz should brace for less targets. It's all good to talk about running more but if the line can't get it done and you have Pope, Fitz, Boldin, Bryant then I can't see them sticking to the "plan" for too long. There's just too many observations above that go against that. What exactly is "another level" for Fitz? And if he is, why would the O try to get him the ball less?How is Deuce Latui (sp?) looking at guard?Why does Whiz feel bad for Edge? Because he's going to run him for 350 2 yard gains?I just don't buy the team that has all these receiving threats without the run support personnel sticking to a run first and often mentality. At keast not until Whiz has a chance to build the team for it first.
:goodposting: If your o-line can't run block then you are going to have to throw.
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just giving what is being stated. I still believe the WRs see less targets this year...I really expect the defense to take their game to the next level and the run blocking should be a little better.
 
:goodposting: I live in Arizona and listen to sports talk and read the paper and was actually up at their camp in Flagstaff this past weekend. Their O line hasn't sucked. If you listen to the D line and linebackers, they're actually giving Kudos to the offense. They haven't seen them play this physical before. They can't wait for the regular season because the O line is really testing them. The offense and defense have both been clicking. Now whether that translates to the regular season...we'll see.
 
- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets- Fitzgerald taking his game to another level- Ross getting dominated on OL- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense- DBs are vastly improved- Shipp going to win goalline duties- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge- Dansby performing at a ProBowl level
Is this quoted from somewhere, or just your observations?
 
How does Steve Breaston look thus far? Will he make the team as PR/KR?
I heard something, but can't recall what...my bad.
From Darren Urban:"I found it interesting too that coach Ken Whisenhunt mentioned a heated battle between the receivers that are 4 through 8 (Anquan, Fitz and Bryant Johnson are givens). There are 10 receivers on the roster. At most six make the final cut (and at least one, maybe Matt Trannon, is practice squad). So who is Whisenhunt considering in the race? Who, and there has to be someone, is already counted out?

You figure Sean Morey, LeRon McCoy and Micheal Spurlock are definitely in the mix, while rookie Steve Breaston, if he can return the ball, is too. So do they like Todd Watkins? (I think he is in the mix). Ahmad Merritt? Greg Lee? Morey, to me, is all but a lock. They love him on special teams. I still think the Spurlock/Breaston thing may be a one-or-the-other deal."

 
:banned: I live in Arizona and listen to sports talk and read the paper and was actually up at their camp in Flagstaff this past weekend. Their O line hasn't sucked. If you listen to the D line and linebackers, they're actually giving Kudos to the offense. They haven't seen them play this physical before. They can't wait for the regular season because the O line is really testing them. The offense and defense have both been clicking. Now whether that translates to the regular season...we'll see.
Mike Jurecki completely disagrees with you...I believe Whisenhunt has been displeased as well...Jurecki stated that.
 
- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets- Fitzgerald taking his game to another level- Ross getting dominated on OL- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense- DBs are vastly improved- Shipp going to win goalline duties- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge- Dansby performing at a ProBowl level
Is this quoted from somewhere, or just your observations?
paraphrased from sports talk radio mostly...Jurecki mostly
 
How does Steve Breaston look thus far? Will he make the team as PR/KR?
I heard something, but can't recall what...my bad.
From Darren Urban:"I found it interesting too that coach Ken Whisenhunt mentioned a heated battle between the receivers that are 4 through 8 (Anquan, Fitz and Bryant Johnson are givens). There are 10 receivers on the roster. At most six make the final cut (and at least one, maybe Matt Trannon, is practice squad). So who is Whisenhunt considering in the race? Who, and there has to be someone, is already counted out?

You figure Sean Morey, LeRon McCoy and Micheal Spurlock are definitely in the mix, while rookie Steve Breaston, if he can return the ball, is too. So do they like Todd Watkins? (I think he is in the mix). Ahmad Merritt? Greg Lee? Morey, to me, is all but a lock. They love him on special teams. I still think the Spurlock/Breaston thing may be a one-or-the-other deal."
Federal,Have you heard the same regarding the O-Line and runblocking?

 
:goodposting: I live in Arizona and listen to sports talk and read the paper and was actually up at their camp in Flagstaff this past weekend. Their O line hasn't sucked. If you listen to the D line and linebackers, they're actually giving Kudos to the offense. They haven't seen them play this physical before. They can't wait for the regular season because the O line is really testing them. The offense and defense have both been clicking. Now whether that translates to the regular season...we'll see.
Mike Jurecki completely disagrees with you...I believe Whisenhunt has been displeased as well...Jurecki stated that.
That's fine...you can listen to the broadcasters...I'll listen to the players. He's speculating on what Whisenhunt is thinking. I'll take players quotes and radio interviews (Bertrand Berry this morning on Jurecki's show) as to what is really going on in camp.
 
From the short bit I heard this morning, Jurecki also feels Bertrand Berry is "articulate" and "well spoken".

 
- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets

- Fitzgerald taking his game to another level

- Ross getting dominated on OL

- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense

- DBs are vastly improved

- Shipp going to win goalline duties

- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations

- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge

- Dansby performing at a ProBowl level
Sort of points to getting away from the run run run ideaology that's been the buzz all off season. If the OL is getting dominated by an average D and the stud TE can't block then I can't see how Boldin and Fitz should brace for less targets. It's all good to talk about running more but if the line can't get it done and you have Pope, Fitz, Boldin, Bryant then I can't see them sticking to the "plan" for too long. There's just too many observations above that go against that.
Completely agree. Whisenhunt wants to run the ball and probably will rull the ball a bit more(especially in the first half), but when you're playing catch up you're going to be forced to pass.
Thanks for the insights.Given the info you're hearing, do you think the Cardinals pass : run ratio will be the same or different (and in which way) from last year?

J

 
:blackdot: I live in Arizona and listen to sports talk and read the paper and was actually up at their camp in Flagstaff this past weekend. Their O line hasn't sucked. If you listen to the D line and linebackers, they're actually giving Kudos to the offense. They haven't seen them play this physical before. They can't wait for the regular season because the O line is really testing them. The offense and defense have both been clicking. Now whether that translates to the regular season...we'll see.
Mike Jurecki completely disagrees with you...I believe Whisenhunt has been displeased as well...Jurecki stated that.
That's fine...you can listen to the broadcasters...I'll listen to the players. He's speculating on what Whisenhunt is thinking. I'll take players quotes and radio interviews (Bertrand Berry this morning on Jurecki's show) as to what is really going on in camp.
I think LHUCKS is just stating what he's heard - does this have to be a I'm right you're wrong thing? Can't we just hear both of your thoughts on this without it becoming another shouting match?I'd rather hear two sides - as I'm not in AZ - and try to glean the truth from that. The O-line for sure is going to take some time to come together. Maybe Berry talking about being surprised at the physical play isn't about them being good, but more about them being PHYSICAL, which they have not always been in the past.but regardless - this threads for discussion - nobody is 100% right or wrong, unless of course you're at every camp personally.The rest is just rumor and opinion.
 
How does Steve Breaston look thus far? Will he make the team as PR/KR?
I heard something, but can't recall what...my bad.
From Darren Urban:"I found it interesting too that coach Ken Whisenhunt mentioned a heated battle between the receivers that are 4 through 8 (Anquan, Fitz and Bryant Johnson are givens). There are 10 receivers on the roster. At most six make the final cut (and at least one, maybe Matt Trannon, is practice squad). So who is Whisenhunt considering in the race? Who, and there has to be someone, is already counted out?

You figure Sean Morey, LeRon McCoy and Micheal Spurlock are definitely in the mix, while rookie Steve Breaston, if he can return the ball, is too. So do they like Todd Watkins? (I think he is in the mix). Ahmad Merritt? Greg Lee? Morey, to me, is all but a lock. They love him on special teams. I still think the Spurlock/Breaston thing may be a one-or-the-other deal."
Thanks. I would think Sean Morey is a lock as he is another guy they brought over from the Steelers. So it's 1-2 spots for Stevie, McCoy, and Spurlock. I'd think Breaston can make the team based on his return ability so long as he has a healthy camp.
 
:goodposting: I live in Arizona and listen to sports talk and read the paper and was actually up at their camp in Flagstaff this past weekend. Their O line hasn't sucked. If you listen to the D line and linebackers, they're actually giving Kudos to the offense. They haven't seen them play this physical before. They can't wait for the regular season because the O line is really testing them. The offense and defense have both been clicking. Now whether that translates to the regular season...we'll see.
Mike Jurecki completely disagrees with you...I believe Whisenhunt has been displeased as well...Jurecki stated that.
That's fine...you can listen to the broadcasters...I'll listen to the players. He's speculating on what Whisenhunt is thinking. I'll take players quotes and radio interviews (Bertrand Berry this morning on Jurecki's show) as to what is really going on in camp.
How many players come out during TC and say "God, our offensive line stinks. We might as well take some kids off the local HS team, they'd play just as well"?
 
Playing/being more physical has got to be a top 3 coachspeak phrase. I mean cmon no one ever comes out during TC and says "well I think we were too physical last year. I'm trying to get the players to relax and act like softies out there".

It's right up there with "being more aggressive on defense".

 
So seriously, is Shipp going to be the full time goal-line back.

is this to save the wear and tear on the edge? If the oline is teh suck, does it really matter?

 
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- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets

- Ross getting dominated on OL

- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense

- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations

- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge
I don't understand how the bolded one can happen if rest are true? :goodposting:
 
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LHUCKS said:
RestoreTheROAR said:
You said the CB were vastly improved. Anything on Rolle?
Not a lot...I know the new staff likes his physical style and that's about it. Federal, any takes on Rolle?
From a AZ Republic Blog at Mondays practice:"The defensive backs had the best day, with Roderick Hood, Matt Ware and Eric Green all making big plays. Antrel Rolle was solid if not spectacular. The offense was spotty, looking very sharp at times, less than Ginsu at others."

I have also read articles/blogs that suggest that Rolle is struggling and any improvement is minimal.

 
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LHUCKS said:
RestoreTheROAR said:
You said the CB were vastly improved. Anything on Rolle?
Not a lot...I know the new staff likes his physical style and that's about it. Federal, any takes on Rolle?
From a AZ Republic Blog at Mondays practice:"The defensive backs had the best day, with Roderick Hood, Matt Ware and Eric Green all making big plays. Antrel Rolle was solid if not spectacular. The offense was spotty, looking very sharp at times, less than Ginsu at others."

I have also read articles/blogs that suggest that Rolle is struggling and any improvement is minimal.
Yeah, All I've heard is they look good as a group...not a lot about Rolle, which isn't good. Considering where we took him, he should be standing out by now.
 
Joe Bryant said:
LHUCKS said:
mad sweeney said:
LHUCKS said:
- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets

- Fitzgerald taking his game to another level

- Ross getting dominated on OL

- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense

- DBs are vastly improved

- Shipp going to win goalline duties

- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations

- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge

- Dansby performing at a ProBowl level
Sort of points to getting away from the run run run ideaology that's been the buzz all off season. If the OL is getting dominated by an average D and the stud TE can't block then I can't see how Boldin and Fitz should brace for less targets. It's all good to talk about running more but if the line can't get it done and you have Pope, Fitz, Boldin, Bryant then I can't see them sticking to the "plan" for too long. There's just too many observations above that go against that.
Completely agree. Whisenhunt wants to run the ball and probably will rull the ball a bit more(especially in the first half), but when you're playing catch up you're going to be forced to pass.
Thanks for the insights.Given the info you're hearing, do you think the Cardinals pass : run ratio will be the same or different (and in which way) from last year?

J
For a pretty good insight to what the Cardinals HOPE to become I'll suggest reading Running game is focus for Cardinals. It essentially suggests Fitz/Q will lose catches to the run oriented offense, but will be able to make more big plays (YPR) and model themselves after Harrison/Wayne:"Although the offensive systems are different, Fitzgerald and Boldin see themselves as putting up numbers similar to those of Indianapolis receivers Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Over the past four years, Harrison has averaged about 89 receptions and 12 touchdowns a season. Wayne averaged about 80 receptions and eight touchdowns."

Now that is what they HOPE happens. I have been a Cardinal fan long enough to know the difference between hope and reality...a realistic guess is they start out with a waited run ratio, come into the same problems Denny did early on in 06 and incorporate more passes. Depending on their effectiveness (ie, playoff hunt) they may revert to a run focus in preparation for 08. .

But this is my time of year (Cards are usually eliminated by October), so I am optimistic about the new offensive philosophy and believe they have the talent to make it work this year. At least my rationalizations as to why the Cardinals will succeed this year seem to be a lot less far fetched.

 
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Joe Bryant said:
LHUCKS said:
mad sweeney said:
LHUCKS said:
- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets

- Fitzgerald taking his game to another level

- Ross getting dominated on OL

- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense

- DBs are vastly improved

- Shipp going to win goalline duties

- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations

- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge

- Dansby performing at a ProBowl level
Sort of points to getting away from the run run run ideaology that's been the buzz all off season. If the OL is getting dominated by an average D and the stud TE can't block then I can't see how Boldin and Fitz should brace for less targets. It's all good to talk about running more but if the line can't get it done and you have Pope, Fitz, Boldin, Bryant then I can't see them sticking to the "plan" for too long. There's just too many observations above that go against that.
Completely agree. Whisenhunt wants to run the ball and probably will rull the ball a bit more(especially in the first half), but when you're playing catch up you're going to be forced to pass.
Thanks for the insights.Given the info you're hearing, do you think the Cardinals pass : run ratio will be the same or different (and in which way) from last year?

J
For a pretty good insight to what the Cardinals HOPE to become I'll suggest reading Running game is focus for Cardinals. It essentially suggests Fitz/Q will lose catches to the run oriented offense, but will be able to make more big plays (YPR) and model themselves after Harrison/Wayne:"Although the offensive systems are different, Fitzgerald and Boldin see themselves as putting up numbers similar to those of Indianapolis receivers Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. Over the past four years, Harrison has averaged about 89 receptions and 12 touchdowns a season. Wayne averaged about 80 receptions and eight touchdowns."

Now that is what they HOPE happens. I have been a Cardinal fan long enough to know the difference between hope and reality...a realistic guess is they start out with a waited run ratio, come into the same problems Denny did early on in 06 and incorporate more passes. Depending on their effectiveness (ie, playoff hunt) they may revert to a run focus in preparation for 08. .

But this is my time of year (Cards are usually eliminated by October), so I am optimistic about the new offensive philosophy and believe they have the talent to make it work this year. At least my rationalizations as to why the Cardinals will succeed this year seem to be a lot less far fetched.
What Federal said.
 
Fodasme69 said:
LHUCKS said:
- Boldin and Fitzgerald bracing for less targets

- Ross getting dominated on OL

- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense

- Pope will be starter but can't block, sleeper for TE TDs because he's a huge/athletic target and because OL can't runblock in short yardage situations

- Whisenhunt feels bad for Edge
I don't understand how the bolded one can happen if rest are true? :confused:
My opinion here is that the new coaching staff PLANS to run the ball more and PLANS to emphasize the run. Once they hit the field and realize their defense can't stop anyone, their o-line can't run block, and Fitz/Boldin are the only playmakers on the offense the PLAN will go right out the window.
 
LHUCKS said:
- OL as a unit getting dominated by defense
Unlike the Denny Green era, the coaches are insisting on them seeing blitzes and stunts in practice. This could pay dividends in the regular season. :confused:
 

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