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Name all of the HOF/Pro Bowl/All-Pros that played on the same side of the ball with Barry, and then do the same with Emmitt. I dare ya.Even with all of these negative yards, Barry managed to top 4.7 yds./carry five different seasons in a career that only spanned ten years. Emmitt only bested that mark once in fifteen seasons.
First I'll argue about how his line was so good. From 1991-1996 his line was great. Just awesome. In other words, his first 7 years. From that point on, they were just above average. Aikman left, then Irvin. The threat of those two weren't their to keep defenses honest. The most important player that left might have been Daryl Johnston. Robert Thomas (The guy who replaced Johnston for the next several years) was probably the worst FB I have ever seen. He would literally not block anybody one 70% of running plays. I'm not even exaggerating. Emmitt was a devastating pass blocker. Not sure how we can measure that against the others.Arguing who was a better passer is a joke. If we actually want to be ridiculous, Emmitt had a better Passer rating, completion percentage, and yards per attempt. :rollseyes: And Payton threw a rack of picks for the few passes he attempted. 6 of his career 34 attempts were interceptions. YPC - YPC, YPC, YPA are all silly ways of comparing players IMO. First off, unless they're playing the same exact defenses, same players, in other words, the same exact circumstances, then how is it even a remotely fair comparison. I'm not a stat nerd. I don't think stats never show the real picture. If I was I'd just say Emmitt has the most yards and throw my hands up in the air. Emmitt also played far better inter-division competition then both the Chargers and Bears. Emmitt played many more playoff games then the other two. Not only that, Emmitt showed up in his. (Despyzer said:
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LT) Heart is something that (so far) LT appears to be lacking. Receiving. How can this even be seen as a negative against Emmitt? He has more catches then both of them. Tomlinson will have more in the end, but teams weren't exactly throwing the ball to RB's 150+ times a season back then did they? Other then LT's 2nd and 3rd season where he caught 79 and 100 balls, the rest of his regular season totals look similar to Emmitts. Faulk is the best receiving back and it's not really close.You really can't go wrong with any of them. I think each back fits in a system that works. If I were to list my own personal top ten RB list, the differences between all of them are so minute, it isn't worth listing them in order. You put your great players in the best position to produce. Talent + Circumstance = Production.Just to keep things straight, Sanders averaged 292 yards receiving a season to Smith's 248. Neither guy was going to make an NFL roster for either their blocking or receiving skills. Whenever somethings this close, I always go to the head-to-head playoff games. Sanders owns Smith
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Better pure runner, no. But I'll take Emmitt running where he was supposed to run gaining positive yards EVERY time over breaking a few long ones. Oh, and when Emmitt broke it long, he finished. People rarely caught Emmitt when he was gone. Barry got caught from behind all the time. Barry played the Bears, Packers, Vikings, and Bucs all when they were at some of their lowest points of their franchises. Pretty sure he wouldn't have had the same success running through the NFC east for 10 years.
Has Emmitt ever finished a playoff game with -1 yard rushing?Just to keep things straight, Sanders averaged 292 yards receiving a season to Smith's 248. Neither guy was going to make an NFL roster for either their blocking or receiving skills. Whenever somethings this close, I always go to the head-to-head playoff games. Sanders owns Smith
So essentially your argument boils down to...(1). Emmitt only had the most impressive group of blockers in the history of football opening up holes for him for half of his career.(2). You don't want to consider stats that don't work in Emmitt's favor.(3). Stated that the reason that those stats were invalid was because they didn't play exactly the same teams on exactly the same days, and yet feel conclusively that a division that included the Cardinals and the Giants (who only had 5 winning seasons while Emmitt was in the league) must be better than what any of the other guys were facing.(4). He had a longer career than the other two, so he was able to compile more stats (yards and receptions).Well, I guess you did what I asked you to do.First I'll argue about how his line was so good. From 1991-1996 his line was great. Just awesome. In other words, his first 7 years. From that point on, they were just above average. Aikman left, then Irvin. The threat of those two weren't their to keep defenses honest. The most important player that left might have been Daryl Johnston. Robert Thomas (The guy who replaced Johnston for the next several years) was probably the worst FB I have ever seen. He would literally not block anybody one 70% of running plays. I'm not even exaggerating. Emmitt was a devastating pass blocker. Not sure how we can measure that against the others.Arguing who was a better passer is a joke. If we actually want to be ridiculous, Emmitt had a better Passer rating, completion percentage, and yards per attempt. :rollseyes: And Payton threw a rack of picks for the few passes he attempted. 6 of his career 34 attempts were interceptions. YPC - YPC, YPC, YPA are all silly ways of comparing players IMO. First off, unless they're playing the same exact defenses, same players, in other words, the same exact circumstances, then how is it even a remotely fair comparison. I'm not a stat nerd. I don't think stats never show the real picture. If I was I'd just say Emmitt has the most yards and throw my hands up in the air. Emmitt also played far better inter-division competition then both the Chargers and Bears. Emmitt played many more playoff games then the other two. Not only that, Emmitt showed up in his. (Despyzer said:LT) Played hurt (
The Packers had 8 winning seasons in the 10 years Barry was in the league. They made the playoffs and averaged 11 victories per season for the final six.The Vikings had 7 winning seasons when Barry was there. One of them was their 15-1 season.The Bears only had 4 winning seasons, but never really a pushover until Barry's last two years.The Bucs were pretty bad, but not any worse than the Cardinals, and really not that much worse than the Giants of that same timespan.
Oh, okay then. We can't mention the MAIN reason Emmitt was even in the same stratosphere as Barry, simply because it won't suit your argument.
Do you really think Barry wouldn't have done EVERYTHING Emmitt did, and a lot more, if he got to run behind one of the most dominant O-lines of all time? You put Emmitt on those Detroit teams, and he has career numbers similar to those of Ernest Byner.But let's not waste time on facts.![[scooter]](/data/avatars/m/22/22287.jpg?1659477690){kind=avatar}
Please prove this with facts and evidence. TIA.
How about starting a new thread/ poll......
Agreed. Half his time in the league he played behind a top tier OL. The other half he didn't. 13 seasons is a hell of a long time in the NFL. Playing 7 years behind a average line and no other stars on offense do tend to put a damper on your stats.
The only stats I used to support Emmitt was when I sarcastically said he was a better passer.
You asked me to compare him to Walter Payton and Barry Sanders. Yes, the NFC east division is tougher then the only NFC central. Seriously, how can you take something like a YPC average and have that be the be all end of it. How many 3rd and 1's was Emmitt asked to convert? How many goal line carries did he have? It's a silly, silly, overused stat. You put a back on a team with Deven Hester as his KR/PR for 5 years, then put the same back on a team with some average KR/PR. The difference in attainable yards is extreme. Stats don't measure a players worth.
Oh come on man. I said Tomlinson would catch a whole lot more. I was just saying that Emmitt wasn't in a system where the back gets a whole lot of carries. My point was that he was a more than capable receiver. I even said that if I were to use only stats as the end all be all, then all I would have to do is point to his totals.
Well I'm glad I wasted my time explaining myself just so you could read half of it, then make sarcastic observations on half of what I said, and not offer any counter argument. I realize Faulk and Tomlinson are better rec's. Barry was a better runner. But as a whole, I think Emmitt brought more to the table overall then most. I never said he was the best back of all time. I just think he was exceptional at everything. Great runner. Great blocker. Played hurt. Played extremely well in clutch situations. Proven winner. Consistent player. No off field controversy. More then capable receiver when asked.Well, I guess you did what I asked you to do.
RB:14 Frank GiffordOkay, now tell me the career leaders in TD passes for...
- kickers (Blanda doesn't count)
- punters (Tupa and Danny White don't count)
- tight ends
And then tell me the career leaders in field goals/extra points for non-kickers. (Wes Welker?)
Actually, you said he was the best all-around back, and I said I didn't think you could make much of an argument that he was a better all-around back than Payton and Tomlinson. Both of those guys have been asked to face plenty of 3rd and 1s and goal line situations. To compare their YPCs is very apt in this situation. Emmitt wasn't the blocker, receiver, or runner that the other two were. Their numbers and reputations bear that out.
LOL this is a joke right? Scott mitchell and company had exactly one decent season. the rest of barry career that team was a jokerodney peete, eric kramer, andre ware, charlie batch, LOLherman moore was decent, but perriman,morton and the rest were nothing special
I see a few offensive linemen on that list, including Jeff Saturday in 2004. Wonder how those plays developed??edit: answered my own question on Saturday:
Last play of the game, with Indy trailing by 3. Looks like Manning's pass hit Saturday, and Saturday tried to pass it to someone else.01) (Shotgun) P.Manning pass to J.Saturday. J.Saturday pass incomplete to R.Diem. Penalty on IND-J.Saturday, Illegal Forward Pass, declined. Penalty on IND-J.Saturday, Illegal Touch Pass, declined. Penalty on IND-T.Glenn, Offensive Holding, declined.
I believe he was mentioned in Post #63bentley said:
