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Carson Palmer or Drew Brees (1 Viewer)
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EdwardCat
Footballguy
He stated nothing about this team or how to run it. Enough with the overreacting.
kevjones22
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
I'm sorry, how stupid of me to think that a post titled So&So vs. Whatshisname could possibly be a "who should I start/trade/add/drop" post.
This is exactly the kind of thing that Joe asked us to report. You aren't discussing anything broad enough to warrant its own topic and stinks like an assistant coach thread if there ever was one. It is simply Palmer v. Brees.
Why not Jamal Lewis v. Ron Dayne or B. Marshall v. M. Harrison if we are just debating two random players of similar value?
By the way nice edit to add the additional 2nd sentence...if you want this thread to stay here I'd suggest changing the title to "2nd tier QB's" or "top 5 QB's going forward" if you want to truly debate this topic.
This is exactly the kind of thing that Joe asked us to report. You aren't discussing anything broad enough to warrant its own topic and stinks like an assistant coach thread if there ever was one. It is simply Palmer v. Brees.
Why not Jamal Lewis v. Ron Dayne or B. Marshall v. M. Harrison if we are just debating two random players of similar value?
By the way nice edit to add the additional 2nd sentence...if you want this thread to stay here I'd suggest changing the title to "2nd tier QB's" or "top 5 QB's going forward" if you want to truly debate this topic.
Clifton
Footballguy
Wow you actually did report this? I have both quarterbacks and think it's an interesting question.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Clifton
Footballguy
Look pal I don't need help on who I should start, I have them in different leagues. It's nice to see what people think of each individually going forward with Brees heating up and the issues in Cincinnati. I find it funny the same guy who is reporting threads is in another thread stroking his team. Tell me how knowing what moves you made in the last 2 months is helpful to anyone?
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
On topic.
Dynasty - Palmer
Redraft - It's now week by week. I have both on my keeper league team. This week Brees gets the start against Lambs.
Dynasty - Palmer
Redraft - It's now week by week. I have both on my keeper league team. This week Brees gets the start against Lambs.
Shermanator
Footballguy
I feel with Chris Henry returning to the lineup, Palmer will take his game to another level. They are both top 5 qb's, so its hard to really say one is much better than the other. But I really like Palmer going forward the remainder of the year.
The Man with the Plan
Footballguy
Top qbs listed and no mention of Tony Romo? Hmmm...
Jayrod
Footballguy
#1 - stating what you have done with your team was the whole premise of that thread and falls in line with the "I'm starting ___ over ____" thread which has been a long standing Shark Pool staple#2 - there is an entire forum dedicated to the concept of ranking individual players vs. other individual players.....its called the assistant coaches forum.Look pal I don't need help on who I should start, I have them in different leagues. It's nice to see what people think of each individually going forward with Brees heating up and the issues in Cincinnati. I find it funny the same guy who is reporting threads is in another thread stroking his team. Tell me how knowing what moves you made in the last 2 months is helpful to anyone?
I'm not reporting this thread and arguing about it because I think this is pointless and I just want to be a jerk or I want the OP banned. I reported it because I think it falls in line with exactly what Joe wanted us to report as Assistant Coach worthy threads. But I now know not to even bother and post in these, but simply report them since everyone with either player on their team will be all up in arms about me wanting it moved to the AC forum.
The AC forum is getting no attention because very few guys venture in there. I usually try to spend an hour or two a week throwing my two cents on different posts just to help out. I'm just trying to make the Shark Pool AND the Assistant Coach forum better. I just think this thread belongs in the AC forum. But then again, I might be wrong since this is still in the Shark Pool.
GreenNGold
Footballguy
Brees is better than Palmer... but Romo is better than both of them.
I would also put Favre and Roethlisberger above Palmer as well (most weeks).
I would also put Favre and Roethlisberger above Palmer as well (most weeks).
I don't think Palmer's even in the top 6 right now.BradyRomoManning (eli, of course)
RoethlisbergerBreesFavrePalmerAfter that, maybe Derek Anderson? Yuck.I actually traded Palmer for Brees (+picks). I think they are fairly similar in stats. I liked Brees schedule and I think NO overall has a better team. The one thing I could not account for was C Henry. If he can stay out of trouble he may be enough to overload the defenses the Bengals play against and allow Palmer to have some monster games. Also if the Bengals could put together some sort of running game down the stretch it would bring some of these teams out of the cover 2 which also obvioulsy would help Palmer.BTW-this thread in the assistant coached forum is very lame. can we move it back?I don't think Palmer's even in the top 6 right now.BradyRomoManning (eli, of course)RoethlisbergerBreesFavrePalmerAfter that, maybe Derek Anderson? Yuck.
Jene Bramel
Footballguy
I'm moving this back to the Pool.
Didn't see the original post prior to the edit, but general discussions debating the merits of two players are okay for the Pool. It's a fine line, admittedly, but if you keep the information useful for everyone to read threads like these can stay in the Pool. Threads that ask question specific to your scoring system or a comparison of a single week matchup or seem to be cleverly disguised advice requests aren't going to work. I think this thread has potential -- i.e. which of the top tier QBs have the most short and long term value.
It's up to you guys to start these threads in such a way that generates general discussion. Please don't take the resurrection of this thread as license to post Frank Gore vs Clinton Portis: Discuss.
Again, it's a fine line, but keep it useful for many posters and it's Shark Pool material.
Didn't see the original post prior to the edit, but general discussions debating the merits of two players are okay for the Pool. It's a fine line, admittedly, but if you keep the information useful for everyone to read threads like these can stay in the Pool. Threads that ask question specific to your scoring system or a comparison of a single week matchup or seem to be cleverly disguised advice requests aren't going to work. I think this thread has potential -- i.e. which of the top tier QBs have the most short and long term value.
It's up to you guys to start these threads in such a way that generates general discussion. Please don't take the resurrection of this thread as license to post Frank Gore vs Clinton Portis: Discuss.
Again, it's a fine line, but keep it useful for many posters and it's Shark Pool material.
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Jayrod
Footballguy
I stand corrected.I apologize to the OP and everyone else I got into it with in this thread, I just thought this was the kind of thing that belonged in the AC, but I was wrong.I'm moving this back to the Pool.
Didn't see the original post prior to the edit, but general discussions debating the merits of two players are okay for the Pool. It's a fine line, admittedly, but if you keep the information useful for everyone to read threads like these can stay in the Pool. Threads that ask question specific to your scoring system or a comparison of a single week matchup or seem to be cleverly disguised advice requests aren't going to work. I think this thread has potential -- i.e. which of the top tier QBs have the most short and long term value.
It's up to you guys to start these threads in such a way that generates general discussion. Please don't take the resurrection of this thread as license to post Frank Gore vs Clinton Portis: Discuss.
Again, it's a fine line, but keep it useful for many posters and it's Shark Pool material.
I'll even chip in a little to the real discussion:
I think Palmer and Brees are currently in the 2nd tier of QB's alongside Romo, Roethlisberger and Favre. They are much more consistent than anyone not named Brady or Peyton and also have big game potential. It is hard to rank inside of these tiers due to so many outside influences on their week-to-week performances.
Simply based on ability as a QB, I have them ranked:
1)Palmer 2)Romo 3)Roethlisberger 4)Brees 5)Favre
On Fantasy value for the rest of the season I'd go:
1)Romo 3)Palmer 2)Brees 5)Favre 4)Roethlisberger
Some other guys are also consistant, but lack big games (Cutler, Garrard) and others have big games but lack consistancy (Eli, McNabb, Hasselbeck).
No Derek Anderson? He's been consistently great (ff-wise) all year. Since he's been the starter in week 2, he's put up 5, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 0 TD's. His last game with 0 TD's was because J Lewis punched in 4 from the 1 yard line. Outside of week 4 against Baltimore, he's had 245+ every week. He has 3 good WR's (JJ, Braylon, Winslow). No reason not to consider him in the top 7 going forward.
I have Palmer on my team and he has underperformed in regards to how I had him targeted. He's consistently thrown 1-2 TDs, mostly 1, with the exception to that explosion against Cleveland. I am hoping his FF playoff schedule will be explosive but I have tempered my expectations with his performance thus far.
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GreenNGold
Footballguy
I have Romo rated higher than Manning. I just traded away Manning for Romo in a keeper league. I also have been contemplating starting Derek Anderson over Manning in another league. Most weeks Anderson has outscored Manning, and he has outscored him by a lot over the course of the season. So yes, both are definitely way better than Palmer (especially this year). Your long-term dynasty value may differ.
Thanks for explaining your position. Thats why I love this site.
Fantasy Fix Fred
Footballguy
Brees is heating up...for this year only i'd go brees over palmer, cincy is a mess
Saints-Man
Footballguy
For the rest of this year, I think it is Brees. The offense is clicking, of their remaining games on the FF schedule only 1 is outside a dome(where the Saints play better with their pass-first offense). The Saints are only 1 game out of the division lead and are currently tied with Carolina Panthers for the the last wild-card in the NFC(as of today, Carolina would get the wild-card but they play again). So, their games are all meaningful as long as they keep winning, and only 1 opponent down the stretch has a winning record. Plus, the Saints look like they have corrected their early season offensive woes and appear to be clicking. The defense is still average(being kind), so the offense will still have to put up points the rest of the way.
Cincy, the situation is far different. Palmer had one big week(2 vs the Browns) that has accounted for about 1/3 of his overall point total, and their offense has look worse and worse as the season has progressed. The Bengals are 4 games out of the division lead and 3 games behind of the nearest wild-card team. This season looks like it is about to go into the toilet for the Bengals. Their remaining schedule is also weak, but it still difficult to envision them playing for anything. Chad Johnson is not catching the ball well at all, and that is not good for your #1 WR. Housh is playing very well.
Dynasty is less clear. What happens if Marvin Lewis gets fired? How will the next coach affect the Bengals offense? Is Chad Johnson wearing out his welcome? Having fun while you are producing is great, but Chad is not producing. Chad has only eclipsed the 100-yard barrier once is his last 5 games and only has 3 TDs all year(on pace for 6).
Given all this, I think Brees is the better FF both in redraft and dynasty, even though dynasty is less certain.
Cincy, the situation is far different. Palmer had one big week(2 vs the Browns) that has accounted for about 1/3 of his overall point total, and their offense has look worse and worse as the season has progressed. The Bengals are 4 games out of the division lead and 3 games behind of the nearest wild-card team. This season looks like it is about to go into the toilet for the Bengals. Their remaining schedule is also weak, but it still difficult to envision them playing for anything. Chad Johnson is not catching the ball well at all, and that is not good for your #1 WR. Housh is playing very well.
Dynasty is less clear. What happens if Marvin Lewis gets fired? How will the next coach affect the Bengals offense? Is Chad Johnson wearing out his welcome? Having fun while you are producing is great, but Chad is not producing. Chad has only eclipsed the 100-yard barrier once is his last 5 games and only has 3 TDs all year(on pace for 6).
Given all this, I think Brees is the better FF both in redraft and dynasty, even though dynasty is less certain.
