Carson Palmer will have a great year throwing to Larry Fitzgerald. (1 Viewer)

[Eminence]

He has been sacked 5 times in two-games. I know it's still early and a "trend" can't truly be developed. But at this current rate, he'll be sacked 40 times which would be a career high.

Haven't seen any Cardinals games but they really need to keep Carson on his feet. 2.5 sacks a game isn't terrible but I don't know how many times he's been hurried, etc.

 

[FF Ninja]

Palmer was the #1 fantasy QB in 2005 when he scored 318 fantasy points with a 3836-32-12 season. However, given the stat creep at the QB position, that same production last year would have ranked 12th. Palmer would effectively need to have a career best season to become a fantasy QB1 this year in ARI. He's probably a middle of the road QB2 in a 12 team league, but I really would feel uncomfortable having to start him long term.

Um, stat creep is a bit more complex than you are letting on...

In 2005, Palmer ranked 5th in pass attempts with 509. In 2012, 509 would've ranked 18th.

So if he was scoring 318/509 attempts, that's 0.62 per attempt.

In 2012, the 5th most pass attempts was 627. At his 2005 rate, that would be 392 fantasy points which would've ranked him 4th.

Palmer would effectively need to be 80 to 90 percent of the player he was in 2005 to be a QB1 in Arizona if he gets to throw the ball enough times.

Of course he'd need to be a total bada55 to be a top 12 QB without rushing the ball and only ranking 18th in pass attempts... nothing ground breaking about that. But luckily the stat creep at QB scoring is logically explained by an increase in attempts, not some magical talent influx that relegates Palmer to the back of the line.

 

[Anarchy99]

Palmer was the #1 fantasy QB in 2005 when he scored 318 fantasy points with a 3836-32-12 season. However, given the stat creep at the QB position, that same production last year would have ranked 12th. Palmer would effectively need to have a career best season to become a fantasy QB1 this year in ARI. He's probably a middle of the road QB2 in a 12 team league, but I really would feel uncomfortable having to start him long term.

Um, stat creep is a bit more complex than you are letting on...

In 2005, Palmer ranked 5th in pass attempts with 509. In 2012, 509 would've ranked 18th.

So if he was scoring 318/509 attempts, that's 0.62 per attempt.

In 2012, the 5th most pass attempts was 627. At his 2005 rate, that would be 392 fantasy points which would've ranked him 4th.

Palmer would effectively need to be 80 to 90 percent of the player he was in 2005 to be a QB1 in Arizona if he gets to throw the ball enough times.

Of course he'd need to be a total bada55 to be a top 12 QB without rushing the ball and only ranking 18th in pass attempts... nothing ground breaking about that. But luckily the stat creep at QB scoring is logically explained by an increase in attempts, not some magical talent influx that relegates Palmer to the back of the line.

People can pick whatever metrics they want, but the bottom line is 2005 was his most productive and efficient season. Using your number (FP per attempt), his 2005 campaign was the best Palmer's been able to produce . . .

2004 .49

2005 .62

2006 .58

2007 .51

2008 .37

2009 .54

2010 .49

2011 .55

2012 .50

As you pointed out, Palmer doesn't run so he will need to throw a ton of passes and be a lot more efficient (in addition to playing in every game). I still think hitting that trifecta will be tough to accomplish. After two weeks so far (admittedly a small sample size), he's ranked 20th (or thereabouts depending upon scoring systems).

 

[humpback]

He has been sacked 5 times in two-games. I know it's still early and a "trend" can't truly be developed. But at this current rate, he'll be sacked 40 times which would be a career high.

Haven't seen any Cardinals games but they really need to keep Carson on his feet. 2.5 sacks a game isn't terrible but I don't know how many times he's been hurried, etc.

At that rate, it would be the fewest sacks the Cards have given up in years. I think most fans would sign up for 40 right now.

 

[FF Ninja]

Palmer was the #1 fantasy QB in 2005 when he scored 318 fantasy points with a 3836-32-12 season. However, given the stat creep at the QB position, that same production last year would have ranked 12th. Palmer would effectively need to have a career best season to become a fantasy QB1 this year in ARI. He's probably a middle of the road QB2 in a 12 team league, but I really would feel uncomfortable having to start him long term.

Um, stat creep is a bit more complex than you are letting on...

In 2005, Palmer ranked 5th in pass attempts with 509. In 2012, 509 would've ranked 18th.

So if he was scoring 318/509 attempts, that's 0.62 per attempt.

In 2012, the 5th most pass attempts was 627. At his 2005 rate, that would be 392 fantasy points which would've ranked him 4th.

Palmer would effectively need to be 80 to 90 percent of the player he was in 2005 to be a QB1 in Arizona if he gets to throw the ball enough times.

Of course he'd need to be a total bada55 to be a top 12 QB without rushing the ball and only ranking 18th in pass attempts... nothing ground breaking about that. But luckily the stat creep at QB scoring is logically explained by an increase in attempts, not some magical talent influx that relegates Palmer to the back of the line.

People can pick whatever metrics they want, but the bottom line is 2005 was his most productive and efficient season. Using your number (FP per attempt), his 2005 campaign was the best Palmer's been able to produce . . .

2004 .49

2005 .62

2006 .58

2007 .51

2008 .37

2009 .54

2010 .49

2011 .55

2012 .50

As you pointed out, Palmer doesn't run so he will need to throw a ton of passes and be a lot more efficient (in addition to playing in every game). I still think hitting that trifecta will be tough to accomplish. After two weeks so far (admittedly a small sample size), he's ranked 20th (or thereabouts depending upon scoring systems).

Having a maimed Fitzgerald for 50% of his games this season has undoubtedly hurt Palmer a bit (only 0.49 fp/att), but he's currently on pace (yeah, I know only 2 games) for 632 passing attempts, 4600 yards, 24 TD, 16 INT.

Despite Fitzgerald's injury, that puts him on pace for 309 FP which would've been good for QB13 last year.

 

[Raider Nation]

I think it's over.

 

[KellysHeroes]

time to roster Drew Stanton

 

[D'OHtis]

I knew their would be growing pains after watching Palmer tentative throwing the ball and letting loose in camp, but he's been putrid since Week 1. He really looks like a confused rookie QB out there right now.

If it were a line issue, sure. It really hasn't been an issue with the line. I had low expectations about the O-line, but they've definitely exceeded them.

 

[Phenix]

I knew their would be growing pains after watching Palmer tentative throwing the ball and letting loose in camp, but he's been putrid since Week 1. He really looks like a confused rookie QB out there right now.

If it were a line issue, sure. It really hasn't been an issue with the line. I had low expectations about the O-line, but they've definitely exceeded them.

Honestly, part of the problem is he is throwing to legendary players like Floyd and Roberts a lot. I understand why he would want to, you know, because Fitz has not shown he is a capable NFL player who does not have elite talents.

Palmer blows.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

It took 5 weeks to figure that out?

 

[ZOONAMI]

Dropped him two weeks ago. His O-Line gives him no protection, and he only has one viable receiver to throw to. And Fitzgerald is seemingly always banged up.