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foxco

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Palmer is a concensus top 5 tantasy QB, many have him top 3. With Henry done and Chad *probably* on his way out, that leaves Palmer with a thin recieving corps.

Housh has had a couple of great season but I'm not sure he can be the go-to guy - much of his success may have come from CJ demanding so much coverage. After that, there really isn't much.

For redrafts, I'd think Palmer's value could drop pretty significantly, at least in the short term, but dynasty-wise I'm wondering what to do with this guy. Should he be traded while he still has elite name value or will he be fine with the tools that he has?

 
foxco said:
Palmer is a concensus top 5 tantasy QB, many have him top 3. With Henry done and Chad *probably* on his way out, that leaves Palmer with a thin recieving corps.Housh has had a couple of great season but I'm not sure he can be the go-to guy - much of his success may have come from CJ demanding so much coverage. After that, there really isn't much.For redrafts, I'd think Palmer's value could drop pretty significantly, at least in the short term, but dynasty-wise I'm wondering what to do with this guy. Should he be traded while he still has elite name value or will he be fine with the tools that he has?
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I have a guy in one of my league's who's traded for Carson Palmer, Brandon Marshall and Antonio Gates (before the playoff injury) this winter. Talk about being somewhat cursed or at the very least making someone sweat an off-season. :construction: I'm not worrying about Carson too much here. They still have Housh and the time to add another WR. Who's to say who'll they get in return for Chad also. Too early to really tell.
 
foxco said:
Palmer is a concensus top 5 tantasy QB, many have him top 3. With Henry done and Chad *probably* on his way out, that leaves Palmer with a thin recieving corps.Housh has had a couple of great season but I'm not sure he can be the go-to guy - much of his success may have come from CJ demanding so much coverage. After that, there really isn't much.For redrafts, I'd think Palmer's value could drop pretty significantly, at least in the short term, but dynasty-wise I'm wondering what to do with this guy. Should he be traded while he still has elite name value or will he be fine with the tools that he has?
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it's an interesting situation that will affect a lot of FF teams I think. For example in my QB heavy league, I'm trying to decide who has more value moving forward...Braylon or Palmer?
 
I don't have Carson in my top-5 and that's with Chad Johnson, if he goes I'd probably move Palmer down to the lower end of the top-10.

 
Darn Chris Henry!

Can you imagine what that kid would be able to do if Chad does actually leaves?

If Henry was still there I wouldn't be worried about Carson too much, but with both gone I'm a little worried.

Any chance they turn around and resign Chris Henry? You gotta think he realizes something by now, right?

 
Mr. Peterson said:
Darn Chris Henry! Can you imagine what that kid would be able to do if Chad does actually leaves? If Henry was still there I wouldn't be worried about Carson too much, but with both gone I'm a little worried.Any chance they turn around and resign Chris Henry? You gotta think he realizes something by now, right?
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Effin' A. I had Henry, C.J. and Palmer on my keeper. I managed to ship C.J. but can't do anything now w/ the other two.
 
Carson will still be Top 5. He's a good enough QB that he will make another WR a threat.

 
jafo said:
Carson will still be Top 5. He's a good enough QB that he will make another WR a threat.
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I don't doubt that he still produces at a very high level, but I just payed a top 3 QB price, I probably wouldn't have to give up as much as i did if I went after him now.And about two days before C.Henry got in trouble again I was sent a decent offer for him and rejected it becuase of all the Chad Johnson trade rumors. If he didn't get in trouble I really think he could have been top 15.
 
I traded Palmer for Romo prior to C Henry problems and now CJ - I was having sellers remorse - but I'm beginning to think I may have made a good move after all. :mellow: You can be a stud QB but you need surrounding talent to stay in the top 5 in fantasy.

ETA - dynasty league

 
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jafo said:
Carson will still be Top 5. He's a good enough QB that he will make another WR a threat.
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Palmer wasn't top 5 last year in any of my leagues. He was 9th in most of them, and that was with CJ and Henry for the second half of the year. I cannot see someone stepping in immediately and replacing CJ unless they trade for Roy Williams or draft an immediate impact WR or something. You're saying he will have significantly better numbers than last season with worse talent?Palmer is very talented but it wouldn't surprise me if he was 15th or so by the end of the year.
 
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Cookiemonster said:
I just got shot down, point blank when I suggested a deal involving giving Palmer for Big Ben.
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Funny, a year ago those two couldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. Now, I have a hard time believing anybody would prefer Palmer.
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This might be a good time to consider getting him cheap(er). On one hand, I can't imagine that the Bengals will do nothing all offseaosn to shore up the WR position. They'll take care of Palmer, and without #85 as a distraction it might not be worse at all.On the other hand, it is the Bengals. But I could see preferring Palmer to Big Ben, especially if TJ comes back and the Bengals do something opn or post draft about the WR position.
 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
travdogg said:
Cookiemonster said:
I just got shot down, point blank when I suggested a deal involving giving Palmer for Big Ben.
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Funny, a year ago those two couldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. Now, I have a hard time believing anybody would prefer Palmer.
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This might be a good time to consider getting him cheap(er). On one hand, I can't imagine that the Bengals will do nothing all offseaosn to shore up the WR position. They'll take care of Palmer, and without #85 as a distraction it might not be worse at all.On the other hand, it is the Bengals. But I could see preferring Palmer to Big Ben, especially if TJ comes back and the Bengals do something opn or post draft about the WR position.
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Make me an offer...
 
Palmer might be better. Instead of forcing the ball to Chad to keep his whiney ### quiet, he can now read the defense and throw the ball to whoever is open.

 
Neil Beaufort Zod said:
travdogg said:
Cookiemonster said:
I just got shot down, point blank when I suggested a deal involving giving Palmer for Big Ben.
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Funny, a year ago those two couldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence. Now, I have a hard time believing anybody would prefer Palmer.
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This might be a good time to consider getting him cheap(er). On one hand, I can't imagine that the Bengals will do nothing all offseaosn to shore up the WR position. They'll take care of Palmer, and without #85 as a distraction it might not be worse at all.On the other hand, it is the Bengals. But I could see preferring Palmer to Big Ben, especially if TJ comes back and the Bengals do something opn or post draft about the WR position.
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Palmer's value is down because coach wants to turn the team into a power running team and pass less

 
burd said:
Palmer's value is down because coach wants to turn the team into a power running team and pass less
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Of course Lewis wants to run the ball more. He needs to keep the worst D in the league off the field as long as possible. But when Cinci is down big in the 4th every week, Palmer will be slinging the rock all over the field. I would guess Palmer ends the year top 10 with or without CJ.
 
Kirby said:
Palmer might be better. Instead of forcing the ball to Chad to keep his whiney ### quiet, he can now read the defense and throw the ball to whoever is open.
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And if TO leaves the Eagles McNabb will light it up more the next season. Do you not notice McNabb had his best year with TO, Do you not notice Brady turned in his best season ever by far with Moss, Notice when Moss left how ordinary Culpepper looked. I really don't think Chad would be better off without his #1 WR, I don't think Brady is better losing Moss, Manning losing Wayne. I think it's painfully obvious that you hate chad and that is clouding your judgement, losing Chad and Henry is not going to HELP Palmer, nothing could be further from the truth.As a longtime 49er fan I'll admit Jerry Rice made it very clear he wanted the ball. Do you think Montana/Young would have been better off not having to deal with Rice whining about getting the ball?
 
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I think alot of it will be if the bungals use Utecht in the passing game. I dont even know who the Cincy TE has been the last few years.

TJs value will nosedive without someone to stretch the field and draw double teams. He's an incredible WR2, but he needs that WR1 stud to function at his best.

 
travdogg said:
ffwebster said:
How does Palmers value comare to that of Hasslebeck? In a Dynasty and a Re-draft?
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Right now he's light years ahead of Hasselbeck. If Johnson leaves it will be closer but Palmer is still the better option.
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Dunno about "light years" ahead. Hass was better than Palmer last season and Palmer had CJ all year. Hass produced without Branch/Hackett etc. for stretches of the year, proving he can put up excellent numbers with guys like Bobby Engram and Nate Burleson. I'm not saying Hass is equal to Palmer, but I don't think the gap is as wide as you're portraying it to be.
 
travdogg said:
ffwebster said:
How does Palmers value comare to that of Hasslebeck? In a Dynasty and a Re-draft?
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Right now he's light years ahead of Hasselbeck. If Johnson leaves it will be closer but Palmer is still the better option.
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I would tend to agree, but 2 of the last 3 years, Hass has outscored him, and that third year when Hass didnt, he missed about 6 games... It seems that Hass is the more proven fantasy performer.... but I like Palmer better too... sort of weird....
 
burd said:
Palmer's value is down because coach wants to turn the team into a power running team and pass less
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I don't buy that.I'm sure every team in the offseason wants to run the ball more(and play with a big lead for that matter) but in reality Palmer's attempts the past three years have gone from 509 to 520 to 575 last season. Until the defense improves I don't think many people expect him to get significantly fewer pass attempts anytime soon. That defense is going to need a lot of players just to get back to average.In fact I'd go as far as to suggest that the only thing keeping Palmer in the conversation as one of the best QB's in the league are his increasing attempts. Since almost every FF league completely ignores TD/INT ratio it appears from a fantasy stand point his play hasn't really diminished all that much but that's far from the case. In FF all most people care about is the fact his yardage has gone from 3836 to 4035 to 4131 and his TD's have only dipped slightly so everything is great.In terms of real football I don't think many could argue he was a top 10 QB last season. If you take into account his TD/INT ratio has gone from 32/12 to 28/13 to 26/20 I think it's more than a coincidence CIN has gone from a playoff lock to a playoff hopeful to a team hoping to get back to .500. And that was with arguably the best #1 WR and best #3 WR in the NFL. I'm not saying Palmer can't turn this decline around, just that losing Johnson/Henry wouldn't be the best precursor for a turnaround.
 
King of the Wolfies said:
I think alot of it will be if the bungals use Utecht in the passing game. I dont even know who the Cincy TE has been the last few years.TJs value will nosedive without someone to stretch the field and draw double teams. He's an incredible WR2, but he needs that WR1 stud to function at his best.
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If that's the case...Carson's numbers will go waaay down with no Chad, no Henry, and TJ catching less. Yes, TJ will have a #1 on him if Chad leaves but he is still good. There are times when he didn't get the ball because CJ or Henry were more open. He'll be the go to guy now. I think he'll do better if Chad leaves, but that's just me.
 
Roethlisburger said:
If that's the case...Carson's numbers will go waaay down with no Chad, no Henry, and TJ catching less. Yes, TJ will have a #1 on him if Chad leaves but he is still good. There are times when he didn't get the ball because CJ or Henry were more open. He'll be the go to guy now. I think he'll do better if Chad leaves, but that's just me.
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I think there are going to be alot of games where TJ gets shut down by a shut down corner. I'm not fishing here but if CJ leaves i'd be shocked if Housh does more than 85 catches OR 1050 yards OR 9 TDS.
 
Also, look at Reggie Wayne last year after Harrison got hurt. His numbers didn't go down because of double teams, they went up because he was the new go to guy. He had 18 more catches for 200 more yards and one more td, and that's just from losing Harrison for 2/3 or so of the season. Did you bench Wayne for that game where Harrison and Clark were out last year? I know I didn't, and he had 140 yards receiving.

 
palmer's last three years have shown a steady statistical decline. i haven't seen anything in this offseason to suggest that the trend will reverse itself. his attempts, however, are up considerably.

Rating/TD/Int:

2005: 101/32/12

2006: 94/28/13

2007: 87/26/20

 
I really don't see the Bengals caving into CJ's demand to be traded. Johnson can whine all he wants but sooner or later he's going to have to come in and play -- he has no other option. The question is how will be perform when he does return -- will be a professional and play hard or will he sulk and not give a damn?

If the Bengals do trade him they should get a decent pick but I doubt they'll get someone as talented as CJ. In any case it looks like Carson's numbers will likely take a hit this season.

 
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I just traded Palmer, Benson and Toomer for Derek Anderson(who I like alot), Driver and Stallworth, and Im fairly happy...

 
foxco said:
travdogg said:
ffwebster said:
How does Palmers value comare to that of Hasslebeck? In a Dynasty and a Re-draft?
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Right now he's light years ahead of Hasselbeck. If Johnson leaves it will be closer but Palmer is still the better option.
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Dunno about "light years" ahead. Hass was better than Palmer last season and Palmer had CJ all year. Hass produced without Branch/Hackett etc. for stretches of the year, proving he can put up excellent numbers with guys like Bobby Engram and Nate Burleson. I'm not saying Hass is equal to Palmer, but I don't think the gap is as wide as you're portraying it to be.
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I was saying a dynasty league, though in a redraft as long as Ocho shows up I would take Palmer at least 2 rounds before Hasselbeck.
ffwebster said:
travdogg said:
ffwebster said:
How does Palmers value comare to that of Hasslebeck? In a Dynasty and a Re-draft?
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Right now he's light years ahead of Hasselbeck. If Johnson leaves it will be closer but Palmer is still the better option.
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I would tend to agree, but 2 of the last 3 years, Hass has outscored him, and that third year when Hass didnt, he missed about 6 games... It seems that Hass is the more proven fantasy performer.... but I like Palmer better too... sort of weird....
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Hasselbeck was better this year, but Palmer was much better in 06'(injury or not) and 05'.I guess I don't really like Hasselbeck much though, he's not a guy I'd want as my QB1. I have him 10th or so in a redraft and 15th or so in a dynasty.
 
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Cincy wants to run it more, way too much passing last year. If they can get back to that effective running, Palmer will do better. His best years were when Cincy had that line and would run Rudi as much as possible

 
Roethlisburger said:
Also, look at Reggie Wayne last year after Harrison got hurt. His numbers didn't go down because of double teams, they went up because he was the new go to guy. He had 18 more catches for 200 more yards and one more td, and that's just from losing Harrison for 2/3 or so of the season. Did you bench Wayne for that game where Harrison and Clark were out last year? I know I didn't, and he had 140 yards receiving.
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I don't see Housh as the same type of receiver that Wayne is. I don't see Housh as being a #1 guy. I think he has benefited a great deal from the presence of CJ.
 
KSkid said:
Roethlisburger said:
Also, look at Reggie Wayne last year after Harrison got hurt. His numbers didn't go down because of double teams, they went up because he was the new go to guy. He had 18 more catches for 200 more yards and one more td, and that's just from losing Harrison for 2/3 or so of the season. Did you bench Wayne for that game where Harrison and Clark were out last year? I know I didn't, and he had 140 yards receiving.
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I don't see Housh as the same type of receiver that Wayne is. I don't see Housh as being a #1 guy. I think he has benefited a great deal from the presence of CJ.
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Also, don't confuse Manning with Palmer.
 
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