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Casino Royale (Trailer Inside) (1 Viewer)
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massraider
Footballguy
Eh, if they could pull off tongue-in-cheek Bond from Thunderball or From Russia with Love, I'd agree. And how long has it been since they pulled off a great villan?This movie may pale in comparison to classic Bond, but blows the recent entries out of the water.
Tremendous Upside
Footballguy
8 Copies of The World is Not Enough
Big fan of the movie. There was a lot I liked - Craig as Bond, the opening two scenes, the lack of gimmicks, Eva Green in the black dress, the very final scene. The poker was written for those unfamiliar which is understandable. I read the next movie is an original script to work as a sequel due out in November '08.
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Watching the movie a second time, there's about four scenes where Eva Green's acting belies what she is experiencing that isn't perceptible the first time through. I actually enjoyed it more the second time watching the acting, directing, and picking up on smaller plot points.
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Watching the movie a second time, there's about four scenes where Eva Green's acting belies what she is experiencing that isn't perceptible the first time through. I actually enjoyed it more the second time watching the acting, directing, and picking up on smaller plot points.
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They used it when he finally says, "Bond...James Bond." I would have preferred it over the opening theme music, but it was appropriately used at the end.
Considering the last one suspended belief enough with invisible cars and such, I think they wanted it more grounded in reality...so they made a Bond film for the Bourne/Batman Begins generation that was centered more around Bond as a person than Bond as a trademark.
Sulla
Marius hates me
Casino Royale may be a OK action flick for the BB/MI3/SR generation, but it is a horrible Bond movie. It's almost as bad as License to Kill or Octopus$y, and those were pretty bad. Actually, I take it back -- at least Octopus$y had Roger Moore's cheeky smirk going for it.To paraphrase a movie reviewer, all they've managed to do is turn Bond into Jason Bourne-lite. Meh.
Craig may have been a good choice as a Bond villain, but he falls flat as the James Bond character. No charm, no charisma, no wit. He comes across as merely a violent thug.
Opinions are moot anyway faced with the movie's box office success. No doubt the producers feel "vindicated" and Craig will return as Bond. Personally I feel they're being short-sighted.
Long time Bond fans will (already are, actually) sadly turn away from the franchise, and the "new" market / generation the producers are going after will get bored quickly and simply drop James Bond when the next cool flick/character/series comes along.
So long, James.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I liked the fact that the "new" Bond was darker and less of a cartoon.
First off my opinions before I get to the ending:
Craig was a great Bond. I have never seen him in anything else before, but he impressed me.
The opening chase scene was very good from a chase scene and stunt aspect, but it was too superheroish for me. I expect something like that out of Spiderman, not James Bond.
I'm not a huge Bond freak or anything, but I've seen them all and some of the movies are better than the others, but I wouldn't say that any of them flat out suck. They all have some sort of entertainment value to me.RE: the ending....I've read through this thread and hadn't seen this discussed yet:
We have to remember that this is supposed to be Bond's first 00 assignment. This movie demonstrates to us why Bond "is who he is" in future Bond movies.
He's not quite as refined yet, hence the martini comments mentioned above.
The way he treats Women like he does (basically doesn't trust them for anything but sex)
No realy loyalty to anyone except for doing his job
Craig was a great Bond. I have never seen him in anything else before, but he impressed me.
The opening chase scene was very good from a chase scene and stunt aspect, but it was too superheroish for me. I expect something like that out of Spiderman, not James Bond.
I'm not a huge Bond freak or anything, but I've seen them all and some of the movies are better than the others, but I wouldn't say that any of them flat out suck. They all have some sort of entertainment value to me.RE: the ending....I've read through this thread and hadn't seen this discussed yet:
We have to remember that this is supposed to be Bond's first 00 assignment. This movie demonstrates to us why Bond "is who he is" in future Bond movies.
He's not quite as refined yet, hence the martini comments mentioned above.
The way he treats Women like he does (basically doesn't trust them for anything but sex)
No realy loyalty to anyone except for doing his job
scoobygang
Footballguy
The point is that Bond had long ago sunk under the weight of it's own conventions. Bond movies had moved beyond being cheesy spy parodies sprung out of the same tradition as Our Man Flint and Modesty Blaise. They were now parodies of cheesy spy parodies. The might as well have been Get Smart: The Movie.I don't see how grounding Bond a bit more in reality removes his "charm". The women I know who've seen the movie have found Craig pretty charming and more than a bit sexy. It's just a charm that he has to wear to temper the fact that he's also a trained killer.Sulla said:
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
I just saw it, it sucks hard!
spork
[icon]^2
Just saw it last night
I'd give it 3 out of 5 stars
PLUSSES:
• Craig as Bond - he's got the look of the classic bond character... I like the raw mannerisms.... overall way to slip into a very very big pair of shoes.
• Cinematography - Beautifully shot.... almost classic bond it some of the lighting/camera work. They really managed to step away from the cheesy overproduced mission impossible-esque feel that the recent films were getting and more into the classic style.
DOWNSIDES:
• Poker - HOrribly done... very cheesy at times and was too much of the focus of the movie. I realize there is a craze right now but it's dying off and this movie needs to stand the test of time.
• The cheesy lovey dovey side-plot. Overdone... I get it... bond loved her and that explains why he can't get attached.... however the sudden "We're mad for each other let's run away" vibe was jarring and unrealistic.
Overall the movie had massive potential with the new bond and the way it was shot... I just think it had some serious flaws in the storyline....
I'd give it 3 out of 5 stars
PLUSSES:
• Craig as Bond - he's got the look of the classic bond character... I like the raw mannerisms.... overall way to slip into a very very big pair of shoes.
• Cinematography - Beautifully shot.... almost classic bond it some of the lighting/camera work. They really managed to step away from the cheesy overproduced mission impossible-esque feel that the recent films were getting and more into the classic style.
DOWNSIDES:
• Poker - HOrribly done... very cheesy at times and was too much of the focus of the movie. I realize there is a craze right now but it's dying off and this movie needs to stand the test of time.
• The cheesy lovey dovey side-plot. Overdone... I get it... bond loved her and that explains why he can't get attached.... however the sudden "We're mad for each other let's run away" vibe was jarring and unrealistic.
Overall the movie had massive potential with the new bond and the way it was shot... I just think it had some serious flaws in the storyline....
HarryManback
Hot Pead
Best Bond movie evah.
WampusCat43
Footballguy
We rented Layer Cake last week and, while we had to watch it twice to figure out the "dense" plot, it was a great movie and Craig definitely made my wife go
I don't think he is all that but he was good enough that I'm looking forward to seeing this.
phrozen
Footballguy
well that settles it then. Someone who owns 8 Bond movies must be the ultimate Bond authority. They might as well end the franchise now based on your opinion of the movie and also by owning 8 Bond movies.
i thought it was great, and craig is imo easily the best bond since connery...
roger moore just wasn't that menacing, dalton was kind of stiff & mechanical (robo-bond), brosnan was smooth but a little TOO smooth...
craig seemed a little rough around the edges, psycho, dangerous and had the physical dimension where he could believably kill somebody with his bare hands in close combat, that i don't recall seeing as much, at least not in a believable way, since movies like from russia with love...
he seemed less stylized and as much of a charicature, which for me was a big positive and step in the right direction for the franchise... the end may have meandered a bit at the end, but it wasn't an obstacle to me really enjoying it in an overall sense...
i think in his manner & bearing he has a lot of charisma and a very strong presence... his portrayal was the closest to connery's for me in the sense of having that controlled but thinly disguised arrogance and disdain for his opponents...
it seemed like a back to the basics bond... i didn't get the octawussy comparison...
roger moore just wasn't that menacing, dalton was kind of stiff & mechanical (robo-bond), brosnan was smooth but a little TOO smooth...
craig seemed a little rough around the edges, psycho, dangerous and had the physical dimension where he could believably kill somebody with his bare hands in close combat, that i don't recall seeing as much, at least not in a believable way, since movies like from russia with love...
he seemed less stylized and as much of a charicature, which for me was a big positive and step in the right direction for the franchise... the end may have meandered a bit at the end, but it wasn't an obstacle to me really enjoying it in an overall sense...
i think in his manner & bearing he has a lot of charisma and a very strong presence... his portrayal was the closest to connery's for me in the sense of having that controlled but thinly disguised arrogance and disdain for his opponents...
it seemed like a back to the basics bond... i didn't get the octawussy comparison...
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NinerDownUnder
Footballguy
As a big Bond fan (I own all films on DVD, as well as the unofficial Never Say Never Again), I thoroughly enjoyed the film apart from the romance at the end. I'm still not 100% convinced that Craig is the right man to lead the franchise into the next generation of Bond films tho.
The problem I am having is with this film not being marketed as a prequel, but rather a "re-boot" of the franchise, I just can't get my head around the fact that this is shot in present time, but in terms of a Bond-timeline, before Dr. No.
I totally understand that they have made a few changes from the original book to make it palatable for "new" Bond fans (most notably the use of Hold Em Poker instead of Baccarat due to its popularity), but for long time fans like me all I can look at is continuity problems bewteen this heading into Dr No.
Is there any thought process someone can suggest to try and snap me out of this rip in the Bond space/time conitnuum?
The problem I am having is with this film not being marketed as a prequel, but rather a "re-boot" of the franchise, I just can't get my head around the fact that this is shot in present time, but in terms of a Bond-timeline, before Dr. No.
I totally understand that they have made a few changes from the original book to make it palatable for "new" Bond fans (most notably the use of Hold Em Poker instead of Baccarat due to its popularity), but for long time fans like me all I can look at is continuity problems bewteen this heading into Dr No.
Is there any thought process someone can suggest to try and snap me out of this rip in the Bond space/time conitnuum?
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I finally saw the film last week. Lots of fun. I agree with others here that the poker stuff was very lame. The early chase on foot was incredible, though. Overall, a thumbs up. Daniel Craig was very good. I especially liked that the the series seems to be emphasizing less silly stunts with more of a darker edge.
HarryManback
Hot Pead
Exactly.Reminded me of how Batman 'grew up' in a sense with Batman Begins.
