Casserly: No team wants Vince Young as a starter (1 Viewer)

[Bri]

There were so few fans in Houston that they could hear the hits in the stands.

Uh, you have no clue what you are talking about.

read the wiki article before you make such a statement please

 

[cr8f]

He could back up Matt Leinart who backs up....

 

[Bri]

UFL should (create a franchise if need be) hire Leach to coach and Young to QB. Those two could draw some fans in Texas and are in rough spots now career wise.

 

[Lash]

I was listening to a radio interview with Kevin Mawae, who implied that Vince Young's biggest problem is that he's functionally illiterate. He said he can't correctly read plays off his wristband, and often called the wrong play after it was called in. He said the offense had to know the situation and the expected playcall, and that usually they could correct it, but sometimes they couldn't. He said Young was a great athlete but that he didn't think any team could win with him at QB.

Wow

Whatver, Mawae. Vince Young has a winning record as a starter. That trumps anything else. We all know how much football is like tennis and golf and relies on the abilities of a single trancendent player who can carry the other 53 guys on his back each week.

Exactly. People need to understand that the team that went 2-11 the last two years without Young as a starter was a completely different team than the team that went 12-7 with him. The Fisher/Young divorce will be good for both parties. Fisher never wanted Young--he preferred Leinart and now he can go out and get him cheap.

Fish didn't want Leinart, Chow didFish wanted Mario Williams but if pressed into picking a QB he wanted to trade down and get extra pix and grab Cutler

don't have any links on that but around Nashville area ... Adams = VY, Chow = Leinart, Fisher = DL or Cutler... was common knowledge (or at least as much 'knowledge' as can be had outside the organization)

 

[fulham9]

How could this be shocking news? Dude is a mental case.

I caught flack in another thread when I countered a comparison between VY and Sanchez (and why they were different) by pointing out Sanchez works hard, has a great work ethic and is a leader on and off the field. I was told that this was PR spin, VY got a bad rap from his coach and Sanchez had better PR people. And while that last part is true, the rest highlights what many people do with Young - continue to make excuses for his underperforming ways despite multiple reports he just doesn't have the drive and mental toughness to be a starter.He does, however, win. Mostly. Or often. OK, sometimes.

In what way has VY underperformed? He has improved his performance every year (except his 3rd year where he got injured early and replaced by Collins). Over the last two years, he has statistically been above average at a minimum, and this year would have finished near the top of the QB ratings if hea had not gotten hurt. He is without any doubt a better QB right now than Mark Sanchez. The difference between them is Sanchez has a coaching staff that believes in him and wants him to succeed and VY had a coaching staff that wanted him to fail. All of this crap about work ethic and leadership and drive and mental toughness is absolute crap made up by sportswriters and fans who have no personal knowledge at all about these players.

 

[Lobary]

There were so few fans in Houston that they could hear the hits in the stands.

Uh, you have no clue what you are talking about.

read the wiki article before you make such a statement please

I don't need to read any wiki article for pete's sake, I lived it. I am very well aware of how the Oilers left Houston and how much support that team received from the fans in my hometown. You can try to cite wiki as a source, but your false statement is no less false. The Oilers were beloved in Houston. Bud Adams, not so much.

 

[fulham9]

There were so few fans in Houston that they could hear the hits in the stands.

Uh, you have no clue what you are talking about.

read the wiki article before you make such a statement please

I don't need to read any wiki article for pete's sake, I lived it. I am very well aware of how the Oilers left Houston and how much support that team received from the fans in my hometown. You can try to cite wiki as a source, but your false statement is no less false. The Oilers were beloved in Houston. Bud Adams, not so much.

+1. Folks need to remember that the Oilers spent two lame duck years in Houston after announcing that they were leaving due to the fact that Harris County, who owns the Astrodome, wanted to stick it to Bud and wouldn't let him out of the lease. During this time the Oilers (or more accurately, Bud Adams) were basically being boycotted by the people of Houston, and no one showed up to their games. It is hard to comprehend the hatred that Houstonians have for Bud Adams.

It killed me at the time that the national media tried to portray the situation as that Houston didn't care about the Oilers or didn't care that they were leaving. Nothing could have been further from the truth. The Oilers were well loved in Houston prior to 1994. Look up on youtube the videos of the fan rallies for the Oilers after losing in the AFC Championship games of 78 and 79.

 

[Lobary]

How could this be shocking news? Dude is a mental case.

I caught flack in another thread when I countered a comparison between VY and Sanchez (and why they were different) by pointing out Sanchez works hard, has a great work ethic and is a leader on and off the field. I was told that this was PR spin, VY got a bad rap from his coach and Sanchez had better PR people. And while that last part is true, the rest highlights what many people do with Young - continue to make excuses for his underperforming ways despite multiple reports he just doesn't have the drive and mental toughness to be a starter.He does, however, win. Mostly. Or often. OK, sometimes.

In what way has VY underperformed? He has improved his performance every year (except his 3rd year where he got injured early and replaced by Collins). Over the last two years, he has statistically been above average at a minimum, and this year would have finished near the top of the QB ratings if hea had not gotten hurt. He is without any doubt a better QB right now than Mark Sanchez. The difference between them is Sanchez has a coaching staff that believes in him and wants him to succeed and VY had a coaching staff that wanted him to fail. All of this crap about work ethic and leadership and drive and mental toughness is absolute crap made up by sportswriters and fans who have no personal knowledge at all about these players.

VY is a polarizing figure around Houston, largely because of the over-the-top idolatry attributable to his zombie UT fans (many of whom did not even attend UT). Schadenfreude being what it is, I admit to enjoying the latest VY soap opera but I do think he's better than his ardent critics will admit. However, he is not the *winner* his fanboys claim, either because wins are a team stat. He has a long way to go to prove himself as an elite quarterback, but I think he has definitely proven himself good enough to start for somebody.

 

[onlyseventeenpoints?]

There were so few fans in Houston that they could hear the hits in the stands.

Uh, you have no clue what you are talking about.

read the wiki article before you make such a statement please

good lord

 

[Bri]

There were so few fans in Houston that they could hear the hits in the stands.

Uh, you have no clue what you are talking about.

read the wiki article before you make such a statement please

I don't need to read any wiki article for pete's sake, I lived it.

So someone wrote the wiki article that one could hear the hits and you couldn't so....this is something to lash out at me for?

 

[Bri]

How could this be shocking news? Dude is a mental case.

I caught flack in another thread when I countered a comparison between VY and Sanchez (and why they were different) by pointing out Sanchez works hard, has a great work ethic and is a leader on and off the field. I was told that this was PR spin, VY got a bad rap from his coach and Sanchez had better PR people. And while that last part is true, the rest highlights what many people do with Young - continue to make excuses for his underperforming ways despite multiple reports he just doesn't have the drive and mental toughness to be a starter.He does, however, win. Mostly. Or often. OK, sometimes.

In what way has VY underperformed?

That's how I felt watching. The guy was dominating in a Joe Montana like way as a rook. He was winning and oh so driven it was so impressive-like imposing his will or somesuch. I don't feel like going to PFR but it was like 1-6, Vince starts and they win 8 of 9. Over time it became hope he doesn't throw a tantrum, throw it in the dirt for curiously the sixth time this week, or what is wrong with the WRs hands that they drop so many gimmes. Rhythm? Fluidity? Continuity? Not sure of the word here but more often than not it seemed drives weren't finished in such a way that it was accentuated. It wasn't just oh well here comes the punter, but instead a point of failure was made. Vince set he bar high as a rook. I heard someone on the radio mention that or on NFLN and I think that's a fair point to make for him to succeed starting anew. Maybe it was so high after his rookie year that he would struggle to be as good and that sorta added to the pressure for him and the expectations for the fans. On a new team, without the hype, it might work out.

 

[Ballstein]

Leeve Vince Yung alone. He's not dumm, he gots an edukashion just like the rest of us.

 

[Sundog]

Interesting.

On the day former Titans assistant Craig Johnson was hired as new quarterbacks coach of the Minnesota Vikings, a big question followed him:Will Vince Young eventually join him?Johnson, who left the Titans after 11 seasons, is ready for it. The Titans plan to release Young if he's not traded, and even before Johnson joined the Vikings, many had Minnesota pegged as a possible landing spot for the quarterback."I know that question is going to be coming. So my answer is going to be this: I do have a relationship with Vince, a long relationship with him. But the head coach and ownership and the offensive coordinator of the Minnesota Vikings — they're the ones that are going to make the decision. The assistant coaches coach,'' Johnson said."I am sure they'll do due diligence on Vince, and every quarterback that is going to be available on the market is going to be discussed. I know it is going to be discussed, and I'll put my two cents worth on him because obviously I have more of a relationship with him that most. And then whatever decision is going to be made will be made. Obviously I have a good working relationship with Vince, and he produced pretty well under me.'Johnson spent eight seasons as quarterbacks coach of the Titans before moving to running backs coach last season. He'll join new Minnesota Coach Leslie Frazier's staff as quarterbacks coach under new offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave.Despite the fact Young fell out of favor in Tennessee, it's safe to say Johnson still believes in him. Young posted a 30-18 mark as a starter with the Titans. Johnson helped develop Steve McNair during his co-MVP season of 2003, and he worked with Young in 2006 when he was the NFL's Rookie of the Year.Johnson said he's remained in touch with Young in recent weeks and said the two have a good relationship. The only quarterback the Vikings are currently scheduled to have under contract for 2011 is Joe Webb."I think (Vince's) future is still to be written. What I would officially say about him, and what needs to happen about him, is in the big picture he needs to be known and thought of more for what's happened on the field than what's happened off the field. I think that is true of him and any quarterback,'' Johnson said.

This is getting significant buzz here in Minnesota, and Tony Dungy -- who Frazier reportedly listens to -- gave Vince his seal of approval this afternoon.

 

[gpthatsme]

I was listening to a radio interview with Kevin Mawae, who implied that Vince Young's biggest problem is that he's functionally illiterate. He said he can't correctly read plays off his wristband, and often called the wrong play after it was called in. He said the offense had to know the situation and the expected playcall, and that usually they could correct it, but sometimes they couldn't. He said Young was a great athlete but that he didn't think any team could win with him at QB.

Wow

Whatver, Mawae.

Uh, anybody read any of Vince's tweets? He is utterly illiterate. When I read what he wrote I was like, how can you even talk to him on the sidelines? How can he be a QB with such a horrific grasp of the English language? Not surprised by Mawae's comments in the least.

I live in Nashville and totally agree with Mawae's comments. Whenever I have seen him on the local news or at local events where he was present and briefly addressing the fans, it was utterly absurd how idiotic he sounded. It's like he thinks he is in the club at all times with the way he talks. Wherever he is, whoever he is talking to... And before anybody goes the wrong way with this, it's not about race. Chris Johnson still remains true to his roots with his off-the-field speech, appearance and activities (his donk), and even when he tweets he speaks jive that's hard to follow sometimes. But at least when he is interviewed ABOUT FOOTBALL you can hear the intelligence there. You can see that he understands when the coaches are talking to him. He understand what he sees and hears and then how to process it. With Vince you can often tell that he has no idea as to what is even being asked of him. You can see it in his body language and the body language of the other players and coaches around him when on the field. And you can hear it in interviews. The other day there was an interview with him where he literally had a few sentences in the middle of it that were so twisted and backwards that you couldn't even follow them. The interviewer literally was stumped as to how to follow up a question because he was so amazed at his awful previous answer. I truly believe he has about a 4th grade mastery of the English language, speaking and comprehending, and that that is a major barrier for him.Dude is MAJORLY talented. I will give him props for that. And, talent got him far, REAL far, but it seems as though his lack of mental intelligence has caught up with him. I can tell you right now, there is no way in hell that guy, by himself, was passing classes at Texas in order to stay eligible. No way.

 

[az_prof]

I was listening to a radio interview with Kevin Mawae, who implied that Vince Young's biggest problem is that he's functionally illiterate. He said he can't correctly read plays off his wristband, and often called the wrong play after it was called in. He said the offense had to know the situation and the expected playcall, and that usually they could correct it, but sometimes they couldn't. He said Young was a great athlete but that he didn't think any team could win with him at QB.

Wow

Whatver, Mawae.

Uh, anybody read any of Vince's tweets? He is utterly illiterate. When I read what he wrote I was like, how can you even talk to him on the sidelines? How can he be a QB with such a horrific grasp of the English language? Not surprised by Mawae's comments in the least.

I live in Nashville and totally agree with Mawae's comments. Whenever I have seen him on the local news or at local events where he was present and briefly addressing the fans, it was utterly absurd how idiotic he sounded. It's like he thinks he is in the club at all times with the way he talks. Wherever he is, whoever he is talking to... And before anybody goes the wrong way with this, it's not about race. Chris Johnson still remains true to his roots with his off-the-field speech, appearance and activities (his donk), and even when he tweets he speaks jive that's hard to follow sometimes. But at least when he is interviewed ABOUT FOOTBALL you can hear the intelligence there. You can see that he understands when the coaches are talking to him. He understand what he sees and hears and then how to process it. With Vince you can often tell that he has no idea as to what is even being asked of him. You can see it in his body language and the body language of the other players and coaches around him when on the field. And you can hear it in interviews. The other day there was an interview with him where he literally had a few sentences in the middle of it that were so twisted and backwards that you couldn't even follow them. The interviewer literally was stumped as to how to follow up a question because he was so amazed at his awful previous answer. I truly believe he has about a 4th grade mastery of the English language, speaking and comprehending, and that that is a major barrier for him.Dude is MAJORLY talented. I will give him props for that. And, talent got him far, REAL far, but it seems as though his lack of mental intelligence has caught up with him. I can tell you right now, there is no way in hell that guy, by himself, was passing classes at Texas in order to stay eligible. No way.

The bolded part reminds me of an interview a certain Republican Vice-Presidential candidate had with Katie Couric a couple of years ago. So, basically, what I take from this is that Vince Young is on his way to a career as a Republican politician... Seriously, intelligence is way over rated.

 

[Ice Cream Man]

The bolded part reminds me of an interview a certain Republican Vice-Presidential candidate had with Katie Couric a couple of years ago. So, basically, what I take from this is that Vince Young is on his way to a career as a Republican politician... Seriously, intelligence is way over rated.

Yeah - I agree. But Republicans (including a certain vp candidate) do tend to have far more wisdom... which is not overrated.As to Vince, as others have posted, he may not lack innate intelligence but rather suffers from a learning disability. I doubt this sort of thing will be addressed by his new team, so his success will likely be hitched to how easy the offense will be.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

How could this be shocking news? Dude is a mental case.

I caught flack in another thread when I countered a comparison between VY and Sanchez (and why they were different) by pointing out Sanchez works hard, has a great work ethic and is a leader on and off the field. I was told that this was PR spin, VY got a bad rap from his coach and Sanchez had better PR people. And while that last part is true, the rest highlights what many people do with Young - continue to make excuses for his underperforming ways despite multiple reports he just doesn't have the drive and mental toughness to be a starter.He does, however, win. Mostly. Or often. OK, sometimes.

In what way has VY underperformed? He has improved his performance every year (except his 3rd year where he got injured early and replaced by Collins). Over the last two years, he has statistically been above average at a minimum, and this year would have finished near the top of the QB ratings if hea had not gotten hurt. He is without any doubt a better QB right now than Mark Sanchez. The difference between them is Sanchez has a coaching staff that believes in him and wants him to succeed and VY had a coaching staff that wanted him to fail. All of this crap about work ethic and leadership and drive and mental toughness is absolute crap made up by sportswriters and fans who have no personal knowledge at all about these players.

No thank you. Have fun looking at your stats. Anyone with a body temperature or above "NFL IQ" will take Sanchez and leave Vince behind.

 

[fulham9]

How could this be shocking news? Dude is a mental case.

I caught flack in another thread when I countered a comparison between VY and Sanchez (and why they were different) by pointing out Sanchez works hard, has a great work ethic and is a leader on and off the field. I was told that this was PR spin, VY got a bad rap from his coach and Sanchez had better PR people. And while that last part is true, the rest highlights what many people do with Young - continue to make excuses for his underperforming ways despite multiple reports he just doesn't have the drive and mental toughness to be a starter.He does, however, win. Mostly. Or often. OK, sometimes.

In what way has VY underperformed? He has improved his performance every year (except his 3rd year where he got injured early and replaced by Collins). Over the last two years, he has statistically been above average at a minimum, and this year would have finished near the top of the QB ratings if hea had not gotten hurt. He is without any doubt a better QB right now than Mark Sanchez. The difference between them is Sanchez has a coaching staff that believes in him and wants him to succeed and VY had a coaching staff that wanted him to fail. All of this crap about work ethic and leadership and drive and mental toughness is absolute crap made up by sportswriters and fans who have no personal knowledge at all about these players.

No thank you. Have fun looking at your stats. Anyone with a body temperature or above "NFL IQ" will take Sanchez and leave Vince behind.

Yes, take the more "intelligent" qb. Here in the real world, give me the qb with the better comp%, better yards/attempt, better td/int ration, better mobility, etc., etc., etc. By any objective basis, VY is a better QB than Sanchez and over half the other starters in the league.

 

[onlyseventeenpoints?]

How could this be shocking news? Dude is a mental case.

I caught flack in another thread when I countered a comparison between VY and Sanchez (and why they were different) by pointing out Sanchez works hard, has a great work ethic and is a leader on and off the field. I was told that this was PR spin, VY got a bad rap from his coach and Sanchez had better PR people. And while that last part is true, the rest highlights what many people do with Young - continue to make excuses for his underperforming ways despite multiple reports he just doesn't have the drive and mental toughness to be a starter.He does, however, win. Mostly. Or often. OK, sometimes.

In what way has VY underperformed? He has improved his performance every year (except his 3rd year where he got injured early and replaced by Collins). Over the last two years, he has statistically been above average at a minimum, and this year would have finished near the top of the QB ratings if hea had not gotten hurt. He is without any doubt a better QB right now than Mark Sanchez. The difference between them is Sanchez has a coaching staff that believes in him and wants him to succeed and VY had a coaching staff that wanted him to fail. All of this crap about work ethic and leadership and drive and mental toughness is absolute crap made up by sportswriters and fans who have no personal knowledge at all about these players.

No thank you. Have fun looking at your stats. Anyone with a body temperature or above "NFL IQ" will take Sanchez and leave Vince behind.

Yes, take the more "intelligent" qb. Here in the real world, give me the qb with the better comp%, better yards/attempt, better td/int ration, better mobility, etc., etc., etc. By any objective basis, VY is a better QB than Sanchez and over half the other starters in the league.

not a bit can of either sanchez or young and I don't think sanchez is that special. That being said based on what I've watched from each of them and what their reps sanchez is a hell of a lot better than young. Young is nuts. Who wants that as theiir starting qb?Ohhh forgot about the single digit wonderlic score. lol!

 

[lod01]

This clown kills WRs. Wherever he goes better have a strong running game.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

How could this be shocking news? Dude is a mental case.

I caught flack in another thread when I countered a comparison between VY and Sanchez (and why they were different) by pointing out Sanchez works hard, has a great work ethic and is a leader on and off the field. I was told that this was PR spin, VY got a bad rap from his coach and Sanchez had better PR people. And while that last part is true, the rest highlights what many people do with Young - continue to make excuses for his underperforming ways despite multiple reports he just doesn't have the drive and mental toughness to be a starter.He does, however, win. Mostly. Or often. OK, sometimes.

In what way has VY underperformed? He has improved his performance every year (except his 3rd year where he got injured early and replaced by Collins). Over the last two years, he has statistically been above average at a minimum, and this year would have finished near the top of the QB ratings if hea had not gotten hurt. He is without any doubt a better QB right now than Mark Sanchez. The difference between them is Sanchez has a coaching staff that believes in him and wants him to succeed and VY had a coaching staff that wanted him to fail. All of this crap about work ethic and leadership and drive and mental toughness is absolute crap made up by sportswriters and fans who have no personal knowledge at all about these players.

No thank you. Have fun looking at your stats. Anyone with a body temperature or above "NFL IQ" will take Sanchez and leave Vince behind.

Yes, take the more "intelligent" qb. Here in the real world, give me the qb with the better comp%, better yards/attempt, better td/int ration, better mobility, etc., etc., etc. By any objective basis, VY is a better QB than Sanchez and over half the other starters in the league.

I would willing bet a lot of $$ that if were able to compile twenty recognized NFL "experts" (Jaws, Dilfer, Hasselbeck, etc) and posed the question to pick a starting QB for an NFL franchise that Sanchez would be the overwhelming winner over VY.You can slice and dice the stats however you choose. When a QB is capable of only acknowledging a single read on a given NFL play, one should expect lower interception totals.Like it or not, VY is now in "Rex Grossman" territory. He will not get handed an NFL starting job anywhere. A backup role on a team without a good starter is about the best that he can aspire to at the moment.

 

[Vike Me]

Interesting.

On the day former Titans assistant Craig Johnson was hired as new quarterbacks coach of the Minnesota Vikings, a big question followed him:Will Vince Young eventually join him?Johnson, who left the Titans after 11 seasons, is ready for it. The Titans plan to release Young if he's not traded, and even before Johnson joined the Vikings, many had Minnesota pegged as a possible landing spot for the quarterback."I know that question is going to be coming. So my answer is going to be this: I do have a relationship with Vince, a long relationship with him. But the head coach and ownership and the offensive coordinator of the Minnesota Vikings — they're the ones that are going to make the decision. The assistant coaches coach,'' Johnson said."I am sure they'll do due diligence on Vince, and every quarterback that is going to be available on the market is going to be discussed. I know it is going to be discussed, and I'll put my two cents worth on him because obviously I have more of a relationship with him that most. And then whatever decision is going to be made will be made. Obviously I have a good working relationship with Vince, and he produced pretty well under me.'Johnson spent eight seasons as quarterbacks coach of the Titans before moving to running backs coach last season. He'll join new Minnesota Coach Leslie Frazier's staff as quarterbacks coach under new offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave.Despite the fact Young fell out of favor in Tennessee, it's safe to say Johnson still believes in him. Young posted a 30-18 mark as a starter with the Titans. Johnson helped develop Steve McNair during his co-MVP season of 2003, and he worked with Young in 2006 when he was the NFL's Rookie of the Year.Johnson said he's remained in touch with Young in recent weeks and said the two have a good relationship. The only quarterback the Vikings are currently scheduled to have under contract for 2011 is Joe Webb."I think (Vince's) future is still to be written. What I would officially say about him, and what needs to happen about him, is in the big picture he needs to be known and thought of more for what's happened on the field than what's happened off the field. I think that is true of him and any quarterback,'' Johnson said.

This is getting significant buzz here in Minnesota, and Tony Dungy -- who Frazier reportedly listens to -- gave Vince his seal of approval this afternoon.

I think I'm going to be sick.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Vince Young looks pretty talented to me and his ANY/A score was very very good - he just didn't get to throw much.

According to Fisher and looking at the situation from the outside it sure looks and sounds like Young has some leadership and personal problems. And if you asked me to name five coaches who wouldn't be able to coexist with him Fisher might top the list.

But someone's going to take Young and he's going to get another chance to start. There just aren't enough QBs to go around, and he can play. Derek Anderson, Max Young and John Skelton started games this year. Troy Smith started games. Jake Delhomme started games. Matt Moore and that awful rookie QB from Notre Dame (brain cramp, and can't be bothered to dig his name up) started games.

It may be that it's with a crap organization that doesn't care as much about character and intangibles, but Vince Young is going to start again.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I would think that if the Vikings get him, the QB coach who knows him best thinks he will be ok. If the Vikings don't get him then he is worthless.

 

[gandalas]

There were so few fans in Houston that they could hear the hits in the stands.

Uh, you have no clue what you are talking about.

read the wiki article before you make such a statement please

I don't need to read any wiki article for pete's sake, I lived it.

So someone wrote the wiki article that one could hear the hits and you couldn't so....this is something to lash out at me for?

The fact that a resident of the area spoke his opinion about the subject that he LIVED through, and yet you still wanted to argue with him because of something the all-mighty Wikipedia said deserves a few good lashings, yes...

 

[fulham9]

I would willing bet a lot of $$ that if were able to compile twenty recognized NFL "experts" (Jaws, Dilfer, Hasselbeck, etc) and posed the question to pick a starting QB for an NFL franchise that Sanchez would be the overwhelming winner over VY.You can slice and dice the stats however you choose. When a QB is capable of only acknowledging a single read on a given NFL play, one should expect lower interception totals.Like it or not, VY is now in "Rex Grossman" territory. He will not get handed an NFL starting job anywhere. A backup role on a team without a good starter is about the best that he can aspire to at the moment.

You don't have to "slice and dice" stats to show that VY is better than Sanchez; he is better by every single meaningful statistical measure. VY is better by objective factual evidence. When you have to rely upon a fictional survey of supposed opinions held by mediots to support your position, your position is worthless.

 

[fulham9]

This clown kills WRs.

Oh, really? Would you care to produce any evidence at all to support this claim?

 

[TheWheel]

VY is VY. He is incomparable to Sanchez. Sanchez isn't there to win games. He's there to manage. VY in TN was there to carry the offense with CJ. He isn't Rex Grossman either--Grossman had one average season as a game manager. If a team is looking for a safe backup QB, VY is not that.

PS. The only people that will take WR production over wins are fantasy football players.

 

[cstu]

I would willing bet a lot of $$ that if were able to compile twenty recognized NFL "experts" (Jaws, Dilfer, Hasselbeck, etc) and posed the question to pick a starting QB for an NFL franchise that Sanchez would be the overwhelming winner over VY.

You can slice and dice the stats however you choose. When a QB is capable of only acknowledging a single read on a given NFL play, one should expect lower interception totals.

Like it or not, VY is now in "Rex Grossman" territory. He will not get handed an NFL starting job anywhere. A backup role on a team without a good starter is about the best that he can aspire to at the moment.

You don't have to "slice and dice" stats to show that VY is better than Sanchez; he is better by every single meaningful statistical measure. VY is better by objective factual evidence. When you have to rely upon a fictional survey of supposed opinions held by mediots to support your position, your position is worthless.

The factual evidence is that VY was demoted and Sanchez is the starting QB for his team. End of story.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

I would willing bet a lot of $$ that if were able to compile twenty recognized NFL "experts" (Jaws, Dilfer, Hasselbeck, etc) and posed the question to pick a starting QB for an NFL franchise that Sanchez would be the overwhelming winner over VY.

You can slice and dice the stats however you choose. When a QB is capable of only acknowledging a single read on a given NFL play, one should expect lower interception totals.

Like it or not, VY is now in "Rex Grossman" territory. He will not get handed an NFL starting job anywhere. A backup role on a team without a good starter is about the best that he can aspire to at the moment.

You don't have to "slice and dice" stats to show that VY is better than Sanchez; he is better by every single meaningful statistical measure. VY is better by objective factual evidence. When you have to rely upon a fictional survey of supposed opinions held by mediots to support your position, your position is worthless.

The factual evidence is that VY was demoted and Sanchez is the starting QB for his team. End of story.

God bless the shart pool. I can string together random facts too.