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"Catching Hell" ESPN Bartman Documentary (1 Viewer)

I caught bits and pieces of this documentary...

Did they happen to mention what Bartman is up to nowadays? He didn't give an interview, did he?

 
Also, it was pretty sad listening to Buckner try to explain why he missed the grounder. Floppy glove :rolleyes:

Fans like those Cubs fans who threatened or even blamed Bartman for their World Series loss are completely delusional and weak-minded.

 
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'Limp Ditka said:
'Mello said:
'Da Guru said:
'AmosMoses said:
'Mile High said:
'curta269 said:
Watched this tonight. I felt like I was watching the 21st century version of the JFK assassination. Crazy story and make Cubs fans look really bad, but they do a good job of that by themselves.
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Agree. Why not blame the players? They had lots of chances afterwards to make plays.
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That's what people with loser mentalities do. They create scapegoats.
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The booted ground ball by Gonzo would have ended the inning. Bartman did not cost the Cubs the game/ The Cubs were too weak mentally..always have been.
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Gonzo doesn't boot the ground ball if Alou catches the 2nd out.
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And if the wind wasn't blowing in from the Northwest, the ball never gets within Alou's reach.Let's blame the wind.
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blame it on the rain that was falling fallingblame it on the stars, that shone that nightwhatever you dodon't put the blame on youblame it on the rain yeah yeah!
 
'Eephus said:
'comfortably numb said:
'bananafish said:
I was surprised to learn that Buckner has more career hits than Ted Williams and Joe DiMaggio. And that Mr. MoP is even more extra special than I previously thought.Learn something new every day something something.
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:goodposting:Buckner was a borderline HOFer.Wow, just looking at his stats, I didn't realize, looks like BOS traded away Buckner in season, in 1987, the year after.Then he bounced around and came back a few years later and finished his career in BOS with 22 game in 90.
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It's debateable whether Buckner would even qualify for the HoVG. His 2715 career hits is his most impressive stat but is offset by his lack of power, walks and defensive value. He was a durable and slightly above average offensive producer for a long period of time but that's about it.He was selected for one All-Star game in the strike shortened 1981 season and never finished higher than 10th in MVP voting. He was on 2.1% of ballots during his one year of HoF eligibility and this was probably aided by his notoriety from 1986.
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Agreed, Just figured if he hit 3000 hits, and had a close to 290 average, that would get him in.
 
Since nobody really brought up game 7 except that they were destined to lose. The hangover seemed to start the game off with Wood giving up 3 runs in the first inning. However you could look at if all the momentum in the world changed and that they would still win with Wood himself hitting a 3 run homer in the 2nd inning to tie it, then Alou himself hitting a 2 run shot in the 3rd inning to go up 5-3. Even with all of that and recapturing the lead and looking great, the game 7 collapse happened too, Cubs got 1 hit in the final 6 innings...

I think without Alou's fit in the outfield, Prior might not have got knocked around as bad. Some blame goes to Baker for leaving him in, and pathetic that nobody remembers A.G.'s double play boot from the top-fielding % SS.

Cubs fans came off as real "pieces" for what they did to Bartman. I think the still shot showed at least 8 people going for the ball.

I think the media helped drive resentment against Bartman, they did him no favors what-so-ever. They made it worse, and I think they came off as who cares, it was the story.

Thinking back now, who really thinks that the Cubs would have beat NY? Something dumb would have happened and there would have been a different "Bartman" to blame now.

Also, the gov, Bartman's friends, and that Red Sox pitcher all came off as complete doosh's too...

 
I thought this was pretty good, although I don't think this guy was sure he wanted to make a film about Bartman or Buckner.

And I never knew Buckner said that 12 days before the series. Weird.

 
Bartman happen to work at my former company at the time. I'm not sure how long it took for him to show up to the office but he became sort of like a celebrity (in the worst sense of the word) and there would often be Bartman sightings at headquarters. Lots of internal voicemails were left for him from coworkers telling him how awesome he was before his mailbox got shutdown. Poor :nerd:

 
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If he wouldn't have looked and dressed like such a tool bag it wouldn't have turned out so badly. I mean he stood out like a sore thumb and acted guilty as hell just sitting down alone. Even his friends didn't want any part of him.

I hate him for how he reacted after the catch, not for trying to catch it.

 
I was really blown away by how his friend wanted nothing to do with him after it happened. Not much of a friend at all.

 
'Trey said:
I was really blown away by how his friend wanted nothing to do with him after it happened. Not much of a friend at all.
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We don't know the specifics. Bartman actually seems like a guy who would tell them to get out of here don't worry about me. But man you don't live a friend hanging like that or let some psychopath walk up and throw a beer on him without having words.
 
Pretty cool that he coached youth baseball and rocked the "Renegades" sweatie. A bit weird yeah but I guess not everyone is an ##### like me.

 
'Ghost Rider said:
'Eephus said:
'SmoovySmoov said:
So, if you hate the Cubs and/or their fans, that's fine, but the truth of the matter is is that you have no frame of reference, and you have no idea what it's like. Bottom line: Did Bartman lose the game, and did he deserve the treatment he received? Not at all. Was it the turning point that caused the collapse? Definitely. Should there have been more about the Cubs over the years and the reason why the team and the fans were/are under so much pressure, and less about the Red Sox and preachers saying "3 to oh"? Absoultely.

Haters feel free to flame away.
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The near century of failure has some historical significance but there aren't many people alive who still remember the 1945 Series. Cubs fans aren't as unique as you make them out to be. Other teams have collapsed or come close repeatedly. The romanticism of Cubs and Red Sox fans is what turns a lot of neutrals off. You make it sound like the Cubs are the only bad team in the world.
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Amen to this post. If you are a Cubs fan in your 20s, 30s or even 40s, you haven't suffered anywhere near as much as fans of the majority of MLB teams. Hell, if you are a 30-year old Pirates fan, you have had 30 years of mostly misery, with Sid Bream scoring to win the 1992 NLCS being as big a kick in the balls as anything the Cubs have endured in that time span.
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:hey: but Sid Bream is a hell of a guy. Nothing but love for him.

 
'Daywalker said:
'Trey said:
I was really blown away by how his friend wanted nothing to do with him after it happened. Not much of a friend at all.
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We don't know the specifics. Bartman actually seems like a guy who would tell them to get out of here don't worry about me. But man you don't live a friend hanging like that or let some psychopath walk up and throw a beer on him without having words.
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We can't know for sure since it wasn't recounted, but the female security guard stated that Bartman had no idea the situation of the game which seems to me that the entire event to him was a blur. It was also stated that he wanted to find his friends but they were gone. Adding these two things up, it sounds like they just bugged out without much communication with Bartman.I watched these doc over again. Cubs fans look even worse the second time around. Just can't believe how awful those people were. Horrible fans people.

 
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'Trey said:
I was really blown away by how his friend wanted nothing to do with him after it happened. Not much of a friend at all.
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They probably just used him for the tickets. I mean look at him, he isn't the type of guy to have friends.
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Are you a Cubs fan?Just curious...
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I like them from watching games on wgn growing up, but not really a fan.Bartman didn't deserve to be the biggest villain in Chicago as he didn't do anything any other fan wouldn't do, but he did behave and dress like a toolbox which made it worse. He kind of brought the attention to himself inadvertently due to his inherent douchiness.
 
I'll echo the comments that Alou's tantrum is what created this whole Bartman situation.

Was the guy who threw the beer in the video really the "sales rep" they were interviewing? That guy was a #####.

 
'Eephus said:
The further the film strayed from Bartman, the weaker it became. The first 20 min and last half hour were almost entirely superfluous. The Book of Leviticus and Bill Buckner should have ended up on the cutting room floor.
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I agree that it seemed like there were times when the dude really wanted to make a Bill Buckner film.-QG
 
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I thought this was pretty good, although I don't think this guy was sure he wanted to make a film about Bartman or Buckner. And I never knew Buckner said that 12 days before the series. Weird.
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Yeah that Buckner quote may have been really the most revealing thing in the movie.-QG
 
'shuke said:
'Tuco said:
Was the guy who threw the beer in the video really the "sales rep" they were interviewing? That guy was a #####.
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Didn't look like him.
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Whether he was or not, the guy getting interviewed really did seem like a #####.Btw, I always thought of Cubs fans as the same people who would bust on me for my New Jersey Nets hat (aka Bulls fans). They really deserve another 103 years.As an aside, I remember looking Bartman up on e-bay a couple of days after the incident. I think the most memorable item had to be the "Bartman Sucks" thong that was offered for sale.-QG
 
'QuizGuy66 said:
'shuke said:
'Tuco said:
Was the guy who threw the beer in the video really the "sales rep" they were interviewing? That guy was a #####.
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Didn't look like him.
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Whether he was or not, the guy getting interviewed really did seem like a #####.Btw, I always thought of Cubs fans as the same people who would bust on me for my New Jersey Nets hat (aka Bulls fans). They really deserve another 103 years.As an aside, I remember looking Bartman up on e-bay a couple of days after the incident. I think the most memorable item had to be the "Bartman Sucks" thong that was offered for sale.-QG
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Not positive but I thought they said that the Cuthbert guy they interviewed was the guy who threw the beer. Didn't he talk about it in the interview. Thought he looked like him. Was 7 years ago right?
 
Anyone see the hit the other night in the yankees/tigers game, believe it was cano, right to the wall and the fans sitting there all BACKED AWAY to not interfere? Ball bounced off the top of the wall and back into play. I've never seen a group of fans move away from a ball like that.

 
'lumpy19 said:
Anyone see the hit the other night in the yankees/tigers game, believe it was cano, right to the wall and the fans sitting there all BACKED AWAY to not interfere? Ball bounced off the top of the wall and back into play. I've never seen a group of fans move away from a ball like that.
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Saw that. Fans should have caught it, since the umps botched the replay, that should have been a homer. Needed a Jeffrey Maier there.
 
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'lumpy19 said:
Anyone see the hit the other night in the yankees/tigers game, believe it was cano, right to the wall and the fans sitting there all BACKED AWAY to not interfere? Ball bounced off the top of the wall and back into play. I've never seen a group of fans move away from a ball like that.
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Saw that. Fans should have caught it, since the umps botched the replay, that should have been a homer. Needed a Jeffrey Maier there.
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That's exactly what i thought. home team player, grab that thing.
 
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