Cedric Benson (1 Viewer)

[huckyoda]

Are you fully understanding what the underlined phrase means?

Yes. His most carries last year came in week 20 (playoffs), against the Saints. Benson had 24 carries. Even though it was a soft run defense, and a blowout, in his last five carries he averaged 2.8 ypc. Benson sucks.

You do realize that at that point the Bears were leading 39-14 and were just running out the last three and a half minutes, right? And that they gave Benson the ball four straight times and he picked up the first down, right? And there was no way they Bears were going to pass the ball, right? And NO knew exactly what was coming, right?

I dont agree. Only the last two carries were within two minutes. The full game log:1 5:24 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 36 rushed for 5 yards1 4:50 0 - 0 2nd-and-5 opp 31 rushed for 2 yards1 3:47 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 13 rushed for 5 yards1 2:45 0 - 0 3rd-and-1 opp 4 rushed for 0 yards1 2:15 0 - 0 4th-and-1 opp 4 rushed for 1 yards (first down)1 1:22 0 - 0 2nd-and-3 opp 3 rushed for 2 yards2 14:59 3 - 0 2nd-and-7 opp 27 rushed for 5 yards2 14:24 3 - 0 3rd-and-2 opp 22 rushed for -3 yards2 12:16 6 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 49 rushed for 0 yards2 11:02 6 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 19 rushed for 7 yards2 10:27 6 - 0 2nd-and-3 opp 12 rushed for 4 yards (first down)2 9:51 6 - 0 1st-and-8 opp 8 rushed for 2 yards3 6:51 16 - 14 2nd-and-10 own 37 rushed for -3 yards3 5:22 16 - 14 1st-and-10 own 36 rushed for 3 yards3 4:50 16 - 14 2nd-and-7 own 39 rushed for -5 yards4 13:37 25 - 14 1st-and-5 opp 21 rushed for 4 yards4 12:56 25 - 14 2nd-and-1 opp 17 rushed for 2 yards (first down)4 11:42 25 - 14 2nd-and-7 opp 12 rushed for 12 yards TOUCHDOWN4 11:05 32 - 14 1st-and-10 own 38 rushed for 3 yards4 10:22 32 - 14 2nd-and-7 own 41 rushed for 4 yards4 3:23 39 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 42 rushed for 3 yards4 2:40 39 - 14 2nd-and-7 opp 39 rushed for 4 yards4 1:59 39 - 14 3rd-and-3 opp 35 rushed for -1 yards4 1:15 39 - 14 4th-and-4 opp 36 rushed for 4 yards (first down)

 

[Christo]

Are you fully understanding what the underlined phrase means?

Yes. His most carries last year came in week 20 (playoffs), against the Saints. Benson had 24 carries. Even though it was a soft run defense, and a blowout, in his last five carries he averaged 2.8 ypc. Benson sucks.

You do realize that at that point the Bears were leading 39-14 and were just running out the last three and a half minutes, right? And that they gave Benson the ball four straight times and he picked up the first down, right? And there was no way they Bears were going to pass the ball, right? And NO knew exactly what was coming, right?

I dont agree. Only the last two carries were within two minutes. The full game log:1 5:24 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 36 rushed for 5 yards

1 4:50 0 - 0 2nd-and-5 opp 31 rushed for 2 yards

1 3:47 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 13 rushed for 5 yards

1 2:45 0 - 0 3rd-and-1 opp 4 rushed for 0 yards

1 2:15 0 - 0 4th-and-1 opp 4 rushed for 1 yards (first down)

1 1:22 0 - 0 2nd-and-3 opp 3 rushed for 2 yards

2 14:59 3 - 0 2nd-and-7 opp 27 rushed for 5 yards

2 14:24 3 - 0 3rd-and-2 opp 22 rushed for -3 yards

2 12:16 6 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 49 rushed for 0 yards

2 11:02 6 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 19 rushed for 7 yards

2 10:27 6 - 0 2nd-and-3 opp 12 rushed for 4 yards (first down)

2 9:51 6 - 0 1st-and-8 opp 8 rushed for 2 yards

3 6:51 16 - 14 2nd-and-10 own 37 rushed for -3 yards

3 5:22 16 - 14 1st-and-10 own 36 rushed for 3 yards

3 4:50 16 - 14 2nd-and-7 own 39 rushed for -5 yards

4 13:37 25 - 14 1st-and-5 opp 21 rushed for 4 yards

4 12:56 25 - 14 2nd-and-1 opp 17 rushed for 2 yards (first down)

4 11:42 25 - 14 2nd-and-7 opp 12 rushed for 12 yards TOUCHDOWN

4 11:05 32 - 14 1st-and-10 own 38 rushed for 3 yards

4 10:22 32 - 14 2nd-and-7 own 41 rushed for 4 yards

4 3:23 39 - 14 1st-and-10 opp 42 rushed for 3 yards

4 2:40 39 - 14 2nd-and-7 opp 39 rushed for 4 yards

4 1:59 39 - 14 3rd-and-3 opp 35 rushed for -1 yards

4 1:15 39 - 14 4th-and-4 opp 36 rushed for 4 yards (first down)

 

[huckyoda]

It will be fun to bump this thread in December...

Finally something I can agree with you guys on!

 

[twistd]

He started out his career crying about where he was drafted, then held out until a week or two before the season started, then claimed that Thomas Jones' good start was thanks to him (bc Jones was motivated by Benson). That was how his career started. I dont remember everything he has done to turn people off, but he is a very dis-likable player & person.On the field, he has shown absolutely nothing so far in the NFL.Ill pass, thank you.

So apparently you watched none of the Bears games last year. During the second half of the year Benson looked a lot more effective than Jones in the opportunities that he had. Whether he can shoulder the whole load, I don't know. But given the choice to trade him for Cadillac or Ronnie Brown, I pass. Those were the other high first-rounders taken in 2005. So let's try to give this an opportunity to play out a little. Obviously the Bears are convinced that he can do the job. The Bears have done a pretty good job drafting, and developing talent these past few years. So I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe, just maybe, the Bears front office, that sees Benson in practice every single day, might know a thing about or two about evaluating talent. Maybe, it is possible, that they know more about evaluating talent than the accountant. who plays fantasy football, and posts on this board. So let us wait until maybe game six, or so, to see how Benson is doing. But if I had to bet now, on whether Jerry Angelo, or the fantasy football playing accountant, knows more about evaluating football talent, I'm going with Angelo. Call me crazy, but that is how I'm going.

 

[SCT]

Just like anything else in ff, it's about value and how you are using him/when you are getting him. He's my RB3 and I'm very happy with him in that role. You can't ignore the facts:

A. They ship off TJ who has done just fine for 2 years to make room for Benson to be "the guy".

B. Benson has a ginormous contract and will be given an inappropriate amount of chances to be that guy. It's a business.

C. He's got no real threat behind him. See above post on AP's chances over 5 years.

D. He's on a defensive powerhouse that wants to run to control the clock and possession.

I got him at 3.06 and I believe that will represent value this year, of course I could be wrong.

 

[huckyoda]

He started out his career crying about where he was drafted, then held out until a week or two before the season started, then claimed that Thomas Jones' good start was thanks to him (bc Jones was motivated by Benson). That was how his career started. I dont remember everything he has done to turn people off, but he is a very dis-likable player & person.

On the field, he has shown absolutely nothing so far in the NFL.

Ill pass, thank you.

So apparently you watched none of the Bears games last year. During the second half of the year Benson looked a lot more effective than Jones in the opportunities that he had. Whether he can shoulder the whole load, I don't know. But given the choice to trade him for Cadillac or Ronnie Brown, I pass. Those were the other high first-rounders taken in 2005. So let's try to give this an opportunity to play out a little. Obviously the Bears are convinced that he can do the job. The Bears have done a pretty good job drafting, and developing talent these past few years. So I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe, just maybe, the Bears front office, that sees Benson in practice every single day, might know a thing about or two about evaluating talent. Maybe, it is possible, that they know more about evaluating talent than the accountant. who plays fantasy football, and posts on this board. So let us wait until maybe game six, or so, to see how Benson is doing. But if I had to bet now, on whether Jerry Angelo, or the fantasy football playing accountant, knows more about evaluating football talent, I'm going with Angelo. Call me crazy, but that is how I'm going.

Perception, not reality. The Bears have made some aweful draft picks on the offensive side of the ball. David Terrell, Dez White, Anthony Thomas & Rex Grossman come to mind.

 

[anguskahn]

Just like anything else in ff, it's about value and how you are using him/when you are getting him. He's my RB3 and I'm very happy with him in that role. You can't ignore the facts:A. They ship off TJ who has done just fine for 2 years to make room for Benson to be "the guy".B. Benson has a ginormous contract and will be given an inappropriate amount of chances to be that guy. It's a business.C. He's got no real threat behind him. See above post on AP's chances over 5 years.D. He's on a defensive powerhouse that wants to run to control the clock and possession.I got him at 3.06 and I believe that will represent value this year, of course I could be wrong.

Exactly. the situation is right for Benson in every possible way. Even if he is mediocre he should put up 1200yds and 8 TDs.

 

[sholditch]

Does anyone think Benson might be as unstable as Ricky Williams or Terrell Owens?

Everything I have ever read in his quotes says class act. He gets punched in the face by a teammate: turns the other cheek, does nothing. HE gets his shoulder separated by teammates in practice: turns the other cheek, does nothing. He gets ratted on by teammates for leaving a game early: turns the other cheek, does nothing. He gets lied about by the Chicago media, who are trying to paint him as a malcontent: turns the other cheek, does nothing.Sorry man, but Benson is clearly a mature, thoughtful adult who seems to be way more mentally developed than most NFL veterans. He seems to understand difficult Christian principles that elude some of the loudest Christians. And when he scored his TD against SF, no celebration, just a quick kneel and pray. I'm not saying the guy's a saint, but he seems to be about the farthest thing from Terrel "Look At Me" Owens or Ricky "Weed or Football" Williams. He gets picked on because he actually thinks about what he says and answers questions honestly instead of speaking in cliches, and gets nailed for it. If I were him I would never speak to a reporter again. I don't even care if he's that good of a running back. He appears to be a class act and a great guy, and I'd rather have him than someone who punches a rookie teammate in the face because they feel threatened.

 

[sholditch]

That TD was at the end of the half. Benson already had one other TD and maybe Lovie wanted to see how Peterson could handle Goal line duties, who knows. Next series at the beginning of the third quarter Peterson was the runningback.

On another note, I keep reading that Benson is going down after first contact in the preseason. I can't say I watch him enough to know how he runs. Did he do this last year or in his college career? I have a hard time believing that a player with the stats he had at Texas goes down on first contact all the time, but I honestly never saw him play in college.

Anything but that. Just over 51% of his yards in college came after contact. I've watched every play of his this preseason and he's been running hard, there has just been little holes. Expect that to improve when the Bears are not running a vanilla offense and will take advantage of teams stacking the box.I've spend a lot of time breaking down Benson and this is what I have:

Positive- He will come out on obvious passing downs but other than that he will be the feature back on a team with one of the best lines in the NFL. The options in the passing game should make defenses respect the pass and open up running lanes for Benson. The strong defense should give the Bears a short field to work with which should lead to more TD's and finally the Bears have a strong commitment to the running game. He has improved in the pass catching department. He's a guy who is going to be running with something to prove.

Negative- He comes out on obvious passing downs and the majority of third downs. This will hurt his value in PPR leagues and not give him the chance to pad his stats with long runs on third and long. The schedule is brutal. He's never done it over the course of an entire season but he was a workhorse in college so that is somewhat mitigated IMO.

not necessarily . . . he has done well in preseason as far as pass pro and receiving is concerned . . .

Benson has looked near perfect in pass-blocking and I dont think anyone else on the team is as good as he is. I saw him deliver some monster blocks that gave rex enough time to make the play. Don't think coaches arent noticing that. Also, he is probably a lot better receiver than anyone realizes.

 

[Sabertooth]

I'll take the opinion of Jerry DeAngelo over Keith Lewis any day of the week.

And this is why you will never win a fantasy championship.

 

[sholditch]

He started out his career crying about where he was drafted, then held out until a week or two before the season started, then claimed that Thomas Jones' good start was thanks to him (bc Jones was motivated by Benson). That was how his career started. I dont remember everything he has done to turn people off, but he is a very dis-likable player & person.

On the field, he has shown absolutely nothing so far in the NFL.

Ill pass, thank you.

So apparently you watched none of the Bears games last year. During the second half of the year Benson looked a lot more effective than Jones in the opportunities that he had. Whether he can shoulder the whole load, I don't know. But given the choice to trade him for Cadillac or Ronnie Brown, I pass. Those were the other high first-rounders taken in 2005. So let's try to give this an opportunity to play out a little. Obviously the Bears are convinced that he can do the job. The Bears have done a pretty good job drafting, and developing talent these past few years. So I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe, just maybe, the Bears front office, that sees Benson in practice every single day, might know a thing about or two about evaluating talent. Maybe, it is possible, that they know more about evaluating talent than the accountant. who plays fantasy football, and posts on this board. So let us wait until maybe game six, or so, to see how Benson is doing. But if I had to bet now, on whether Jerry Angelo, or the fantasy football playing accountant, knows more about evaluating football talent, I'm going with Angelo. Call me crazy, but that is how I'm going.

Perception, not reality. The Bears have made some aweful draft picks on the offensive side of the ball. David Terrell, Dez White, Anthony Thomas & Rex Grossman come to mind.

He might be referring to picks made in the last five years. Also, one of those picks led the team to a Superbowl, so calling that a bad pick is showing some major fantasy blinders on your part. Rex is scary as hell, but he was the QB that got them there (or at least didn't do enough to prevent them from getting there, actually a few of the early games were won on his arm almost completely.

 

[RBM]

Perception, not reality. The Bears have made some aweful draft picks on the offensive side of the ball. David Terrell, Dez White, Anthony Thomas & Rex Grossman come to mind.

You sure you want to stick with this statement? Think about it long and hard.And Grossman was an awful pick? You really think that is a fair comment at this point? He is 27 yrs old, has played one full season, and threw 23 tds and directed an offense that scored the 2nd most points in the league. Oh yea, and his team played in the Super Bowl.

 

[twistd]

He started out his career crying about where he was drafted, then held out until a week or two before the season started, then claimed that Thomas Jones' good start was thanks to him (bc Jones was motivated by Benson). That was how his career started. I dont remember everything he has done to turn people off, but he is a very dis-likable player & person.

On the field, he has shown absolutely nothing so far in the NFL.

Ill pass, thank you.

So apparently you watched none of the Bears games last year. During the second half of the year Benson looked a lot more effective than Jones in the opportunities that he had. Whether he can shoulder the whole load, I don't know. But given the choice to trade him for Cadillac or Ronnie Brown, I pass. Those were the other high first-rounders taken in 2005. So let's try to give this an opportunity to play out a little. Obviously the Bears are convinced that he can do the job. The Bears have done a pretty good job drafting, and developing talent these past few years. So I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe, just maybe, the Bears front office, that sees Benson in practice every single day, might know a thing about or two about evaluating talent. Maybe, it is possible, that they know more about evaluating talent than the accountant. who plays fantasy football, and posts on this board. So let us wait until maybe game six, or so, to see how Benson is doing. But if I had to bet now, on whether Jerry Angelo, or the fantasy football playing accountant, knows more about evaluating football talent, I'm going with Angelo. Call me crazy, but that is how I'm going.

Perception, not reality. The Bears have made some aweful draft picks on the offensive side of the ball. David Terrell, Dez White, Anthony Thomas & Rex Grossman come to mind.

Everybody makes bad draft picks. The Rex Grossman pick actually looks alright to me so far. A lot of QBs don't develop until they have enough playing time. SD was ready to give up on Brees. JP Losman looked like a wasted pick. He is coming around. Hasselbeck was almost done, and he has been alright. So I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Grossman.Here are some decent draft picks for the Bears Offense under Angelo:

Anthony Thomas-2001 second rounder-decent career-still in the league

Mike Gandy-2001 third rounder-still in the league playing for AZ

Adrian Peterson-2002 sixth rounder-not great but very solid contributor

Bobby Wade-2003 fifth rounder-still in the league with Minnesota

Justin Gage-2003 fifth rounder-still hanging around on Tenn I believe

Bernard Berrian-2004 third rounder-ready to break out and be a stud

Mark Bradley-2005 second rounder-If he can stay healthy, faster than Berrian

Kyle Orton-2005 fourth rounder-tossed into the fire in his rookie year and did ok- solid back up

Devin Hester-2006 second rounder-a little bit of a playmaker

If you look at their batting average for offensive draft picks, since Angelo has been the general manager, it is pretty good. Angelo came on in 2001. He blew the Terrell pick. But if you look at the 2001 first round WR picks they were:

David Terrell-8

Koren Robinson-9

Rod Gardner-15

Santana Moss-16

Freddie Mitchell-25

Reggie Wayne-30

Only two solid players out of the bunch. Wide outs are tough to evaluate. You just can't be right all the time. But on the whole I think Angelo has done well. He hasn't hit the jackpot on offensive players like he has on defensive players in the draft, but I'd match that record up with just about anyone in the NFL. And you have to include his free agent signings. Thomas Jones for a song. Brian Griese, who is solid. Mushin Muhammed, who has done a nice job for them. John Tait has been a solid tackle. Desmond Clark, not spectacular, but he has done a good job for them. Overall Angelo has done a pretty fine job if you ask me.

 

[RBM]

ANGELO DID NOT DRAFT TERRELL

 

[twistd]

ANGELO DID NOT DRAFT TERRELL

I wasn't sure about that. I thought Angelo took over in 2001, but I wasn't sure if it was before or after the draft. I thought it was before, but I could be wrong.

 

[RBM]

ANGELO DID NOT DRAFT TERRELL

I wasn't sure about that. I thought Angelo took over in 2001, but I wasn't sure if it was before or after the draft. I thought it was before, but I could be wrong.

He took over in June of '01. His 1st pick with the team was Marc Colombo, who probably wouldve been their starting LT if not for that horrendous knee injury.

 

[huckyoda]

Perception, not reality. The Bears have made some aweful draft picks on the offensive side of the ball. David Terrell, Dez White, Anthony Thomas & Rex Grossman come to mind.

You sure you want to stick with this statement? Think about it long and hard.And Grossman was an awful pick? You really think that is a fair comment at this point? He is 27 yrs old, has played one full season, and threw 23 tds and directed an offense that scored the 2nd most points in the league. Oh yea, and his team played in the Super Bowl.

I am thinking long and hard. When is the last time someone won a fantasy football championship with any of those players?

 

[huckyoda]

He started out his career crying about where he was drafted, then held out until a week or two before the season started, then claimed that Thomas Jones' good start was thanks to him (bc Jones was motivated by Benson). That was how his career started. I dont remember everything he has done to turn people off, but he is a very dis-likable player & person.

On the field, he has shown absolutely nothing so far in the NFL.

Ill pass, thank you.

So apparently you watched none of the Bears games last year. During the second half of the year Benson looked a lot more effective than Jones in the opportunities that he had. Whether he can shoulder the whole load, I don't know. But given the choice to trade him for Cadillac or Ronnie Brown, I pass. Those were the other high first-rounders taken in 2005. So let's try to give this an opportunity to play out a little. Obviously the Bears are convinced that he can do the job. The Bears have done a pretty good job drafting, and developing talent these past few years. So I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe, just maybe, the Bears front office, that sees Benson in practice every single day, might know a thing about or two about evaluating talent. Maybe, it is possible, that they know more about evaluating talent than the accountant. who plays fantasy football, and posts on this board. So let us wait until maybe game six, or so, to see how Benson is doing. But if I had to bet now, on whether Jerry Angelo, or the fantasy football playing accountant, knows more about evaluating football talent, I'm going with Angelo. Call me crazy, but that is how I'm going.

Perception, not reality. The Bears have made some aweful draft picks on the offensive side of the ball. David Terrell, Dez White, Anthony Thomas & Rex Grossman come to mind.

Everybody makes bad draft picks. The Rex Grossman pick actually looks alright to me so far. A lot of QBs don't develop until they have enough playing time. SD was ready to give up on Brees. JP Losman looked like a wasted pick. He is coming around. Hasselbeck was almost done, and he has been alright. So I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Grossman.Here are some decent draft picks for the Bears Offense under Angelo:

Anthony Thomas-2001 second rounder-decent career-still in the league

Mike Gandy-2001 third rounder-still in the league playing for AZ

Adrian Peterson-2002 sixth rounder-not great but very solid contributor

Bobby Wade-2003 fifth rounder-still in the league with Minnesota

Justin Gage-2003 fifth rounder-still hanging around on Tenn I believe

Bernard Berrian-2004 third rounder-ready to break out and be a stud

Mark Bradley-2005 second rounder-If he can stay healthy, faster than Berrian

Kyle Orton-2005 fourth rounder-tossed into the fire in his rookie year and did ok- solid back up

Devin Hester-2006 second rounder-a little bit of a playmaker

If you look at their batting average for offensive draft picks, since Angelo has been the general manager, it is pretty good. Angelo came on in 2001. He blew the Terrell pick. But if you look at the 2001 first round WR picks they were:

David Terrell-8

Koren Robinson-9

Rod Gardner-15

Santana Moss-16

Freddie Mitchell-25

Reggie Wayne-30

Only two solid players out of the bunch. Wide outs are tough to evaluate. You just can't be right all the time. But on the whole I think Angelo has done well. He hasn't hit the jackpot on offensive players like he has on defensive players in the draft, but I'd match that record up with just about anyone in the NFL. And you have to include his free agent signings. Thomas Jones for a song. Brian Griese, who is solid. Mushin Muhammed, who has done a nice job for them. John Tait has been a solid tackle. Desmond Clark, not spectacular, but he has done a good job for them. Overall Angelo has done a pretty fine job if you ask me.

Dont get me wrong - Im not saying Angelo is a bad GM. I was responding to the ridiculous argument that if Angelo picked him, he must be good. Well Angelo picked a lot of players and I havent seen any of them make an impact in fantasy.

Obviously the Bears are convinced that he can do the job. The Bears have done a pretty good job drafting, and developing talent these past few years. So I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe, just maybe, the Bears front office, that sees Benson in practice every single day, might know a thing about or two about evaluating talent. Maybe, it is possible, that they know more about evaluating talent than the accountant. who plays fantasy football, and posts on this board. So let us wait until maybe game six, or so, to see how Benson is doing. But if I had to bet now, on whether Jerry Angelo, or the fantasy football playing accountant, knows more about evaluating football talent, I'm going with Angelo. Call me crazy, but that is how I'm going.

 

[Colin Dowling]

David Terrell-8Koren Robinson-9Rod Gardner-15Santana Moss-16Freddie Mitchell-25Reggie Wayne-30Only two solid players out of the bunch. Wide outs are tough to evaluate.

Didn't bother to look in the 2nd round of that draft, did you?

 

[huckyoda]

David Terrell-8

Koren Robinson-9

Rod Gardner-15

Santana Moss-16

Freddie Mitchell-25

Reggie Wayne-30

Only two solid players out of the bunch. Wide outs are tough to evaluate.

Didn't bother to look in the 2nd round of that draft, did you?

Or the 3rd?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NFL_Draft

 

[twistd]

David Terrell-8

Koren Robinson-9

Rod Gardner-15

Santana Moss-16

Freddie Mitchell-25

Reggie Wayne-30

Only two solid players out of the bunch. Wide outs are tough to evaluate.

Didn't bother to look in the 2nd round of that draft, did you?

Or the 3rd?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NFL_Draft

Wow, a whole lot of teams blew that draft didn't they? Chad Johnson in the second and Steve Smith in the third. That was a smoking hot draft for WRs, not so much with the first pick though.

 

[twistd]

He started out his career crying about where he was drafted, then held out until a week or two before the season started, then claimed that Thomas Jones' good start was thanks to him (bc Jones was motivated by Benson). That was how his career started. I dont remember everything he has done to turn people off, but he is a very dis-likable player & person.

On the field, he has shown absolutely nothing so far in the NFL.

Ill pass, thank you.

So apparently you watched none of the Bears games last year. During the second half of the year Benson looked a lot more effective than Jones in the opportunities that he had. Whether he can shoulder the whole load, I don't know. But given the choice to trade him for Cadillac or Ronnie Brown, I pass. Those were the other high first-rounders taken in 2005. So let's try to give this an opportunity to play out a little. Obviously the Bears are convinced that he can do the job. The Bears have done a pretty good job drafting, and developing talent these past few years. So I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe, just maybe, the Bears front office, that sees Benson in practice every single day, might know a thing about or two about evaluating talent. Maybe, it is possible, that they know more about evaluating talent than the accountant. who plays fantasy football, and posts on this board. So let us wait until maybe game six, or so, to see how Benson is doing. But if I had to bet now, on whether Jerry Angelo, or the fantasy football playing accountant, knows more about evaluating football talent, I'm going with Angelo. Call me crazy, but that is how I'm going.

Perception, not reality. The Bears have made some aweful draft picks on the offensive side of the ball. David Terrell, Dez White, Anthony Thomas & Rex Grossman come to mind.

Everybody makes bad draft picks. The Rex Grossman pick actually looks alright to me so far. A lot of QBs don't develop until they have enough playing time. SD was ready to give up on Brees. JP Losman looked like a wasted pick. He is coming around. Hasselbeck was almost done, and he has been alright. So I'm not ready to throw in the towel on Grossman.Here are some decent draft picks for the Bears Offense under Angelo:

Anthony Thomas-2001 second rounder-decent career-still in the league

Mike Gandy-2001 third rounder-still in the league playing for AZ

Adrian Peterson-2002 sixth rounder-not great but very solid contributor

Bobby Wade-2003 fifth rounder-still in the league with Minnesota

Justin Gage-2003 fifth rounder-still hanging around on Tenn I believe

Bernard Berrian-2004 third rounder-ready to break out and be a stud

Mark Bradley-2005 second rounder-If he can stay healthy, faster than Berrian

Kyle Orton-2005 fourth rounder-tossed into the fire in his rookie year and did ok- solid back up

Devin Hester-2006 second rounder-a little bit of a playmaker

If you look at their batting average for offensive draft picks, since Angelo has been the general manager, it is pretty good. Angelo came on in 2001. He blew the Terrell pick. But if you look at the 2001 first round WR picks they were:

David Terrell-8

Koren Robinson-9

Rod Gardner-15

Santana Moss-16

Freddie Mitchell-25

Reggie Wayne-30

Only two solid players out of the bunch. Wide outs are tough to evaluate. You just can't be right all the time. But on the whole I think Angelo has done well. He hasn't hit the jackpot on offensive players like he has on defensive players in the draft, but I'd match that record up with just about anyone in the NFL. And you have to include his free agent signings. Thomas Jones for a song. Brian Griese, who is solid. Mushin Muhammed, who has done a nice job for them. John Tait has been a solid tackle. Desmond Clark, not spectacular, but he has done a good job for them. Overall Angelo has done a pretty fine job if you ask me.

Dont get me wrong - Im not saying Angelo is a bad GM. I was responding to the ridiculous argument that if Angelo picked him, he must be good. Well Angelo picked a lot of players and I havent seen any of them make an impact in fantasy.

Obviously the Bears are convinced that he can do the job. The Bears have done a pretty good job drafting, and developing talent these past few years. So I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe, just maybe, the Bears front office, that sees Benson in practice every single day, might know a thing about or two about evaluating talent. Maybe, it is possible, that they know more about evaluating talent than the accountant. who plays fantasy football, and posts on this board. So let us wait until maybe game six, or so, to see how Benson is doing. But if I had to bet now, on whether Jerry Angelo, or the fantasy football playing accountant, knows more about evaluating football talent, I'm going with Angelo. Call me crazy, but that is how I'm going.

What I am saying isn't that if Angelo picked him he will be good, but let's give him a chance to see what he can do now that he is the starter. Angelo has a decent track record. He has hit more than he missed.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

He started out his career crying about where he was drafted, then held out until a week or two before the season started, then claimed that Thomas Jones' good start was thanks to him (bc Jones was motivated by Benson). That was how his career started. I dont remember everything he has done to turn people off, but he is a very dis-likable player & person.

On the field, he has shown absolutely nothing so far in the NFL.

Ill pass, thank you.

So apparently you watched none of the Bears games last year. During the second half of the year Benson looked a lot more effective than Jones in the opportunities that he had. Whether he can shoulder the whole load, I don't know. But given the choice to trade him for Cadillac or Ronnie Brown, I pass. Those were the other high first-rounders taken in 2005. So let's try to give this an opportunity to play out a little. Obviously the Bears are convinced that he can do the job. The Bears have done a pretty good job drafting, and developing talent these past few years. So I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe, just maybe, the Bears front office, that sees Benson in practice every single day, might know a thing about or two about evaluating talent. Maybe, it is possible, that they know more about evaluating talent than the accountant. who plays fantasy football, and posts on this board. So let us wait until maybe game six, or so, to see how Benson is doing. But if I had to bet now, on whether Jerry Angelo, or the fantasy football playing accountant, knows more about evaluating football talent, I'm going with Angelo. Call me crazy, but that is how I'm going.

Perception, not reality. The Bears have made some aweful draft picks on the offensive side of the ball. David Terrell, Dez White, Anthony Thomas & Rex Grossman come to mind.

Terrell was a bust, Dez White was a third round pick and I believe produced at that level for a couple of seasons, Anthony Thomas was OROY and was decent for a few years for a second round pick, Rex led us to the super bowl and had 3200 yards and 23 tds for a late 1st round pick.The bears have been better drafting defense I agree, but only terrell was a bust.

 

[huckyoda]

David Terrell-8

Koren Robinson-9

Rod Gardner-15

Santana Moss-16

Freddie Mitchell-25

Reggie Wayne-30

Only two solid players out of the bunch. Wide outs are tough to evaluate.

Didn't bother to look in the 2nd round of that draft, did you?

Or the 3rd?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NFL_Draft

Wow, a whole lot of teams blew that draft didn't they? Chad Johnson in the second and Steve Smith in the third. That was a smoking hot draft for WRs, not so much with the first pick though.

Houshmandzadeh in the 7th! Good draft for the Bengals. What a draft - a who's who for WR. Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, Santana Moss, Chris Chambers, K-Rob, Houshmandzadeh, McCareins, Ferguson, Q Morgan. Gardner.. not to mention Heap, Crumpler and Eric Johnson at TE.RB? LT2, Deuce Mccalister, Rudi Johnson, T Henry, Bennett, Barlow, ATrain, Buckhalter. QB? Vick & Brees.

 

[Colin Dowling]

David Terrell-8

Koren Robinson-9

Rod Gardner-15

Santana Moss-16

Freddie Mitchell-25

Reggie Wayne-30

Only two solid players out of the bunch. Wide outs are tough to evaluate.

Didn't bother to look in the 2nd round of that draft, did you?

Or the 3rd?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NFL_Draft

Wow, a whole lot of teams blew that draft didn't they? Chad Johnson in the second and Steve Smith in the third. That was a smoking hot draft for WRs, not so much with the first pick though.

Houshmandzadeh in the 7th! Good draft for the Bengals. What a draft - a who's who for WR. Reggie Wayne, Steve Smith, Chad Johnson, Santana Moss, Chris Chambers, K-Rob, Houshmandzadeh, McCareins, Ferguson, Q Morgan. Gardner.. not to mention Heap, Crumpler and Eric Johnson at TE.RB? LT2, Deuce Mccalister, Rudi Johnson, T Henry, Bennett, Barlow, ATrain, Buckhalter. QB? Vick & Brees.

14 first rounders have made the Pro-Bowl from that draft. 10 second rounders.With the 3rd overall selection...The Cleveland Browns select defensive lineman Gerard Warren!

 

[Todem]

It's only my opinion ....and it's simple. I watched him play now for 2 years and it is obvious to me he is nothing special...will never be an elite back, and very likely to fail.I much rather draft other RB's over Benson. And as far as him beating out Thomas Jones? It never happned. Jones was getting punished for missing OTA's last year. And yes Benson hurt his shoulder but usually you never lose your starting status due to injury. Benson did, therefore he never was in my eye's the starter.Get over it. Excuses, excuses, excuses.I think he sucks what's the problem? I think I am right you think your right. I am not going to garble out stat's all day. I just need to watch guy's play to evaluate if they are worthy of being my my roster.I have never had problems winning leagues for the last 17 years doing it that way. Those who pile over numbers all day...keep doing that if it turns you on or wins you leagues. I will just continue to watch football very closley and see how they play and perform.Benson has showed a few things.1) He has no 4th or 5th gear2) No great cutting abitly3) No vision.4) No maturity5) No heartHe has bust written all over him.I am done.

Dude, it's cool if in your subjective opinion Ced Benson will be a bust. Let's just be clear that it's a mainly subjective stance.Given how vociferous you've been, I hope that you'll be man enough at year-end to come back here and admit you were wrong.

I can guarantee that if I am wrong I will eat crow.

 

[huckyoda]

Week one, and he was the full starter. Lets see how he did, "wearing the defense down". I am not arguing that Benson sucks (he does, and there are many other threads covering that), I am debunking the myth that he gets better as the game goes on, as many in this thread have posted.

Week 1 vs. SD

Qtr Time Score Down/Dist Yardline Description

1 11:47 0 - 0 1st-and-10 own 12 rushed for 2 yards

1 10:42 0 - 0 3rd-and-14 own 8 rushed for -1 yards

1 4:47 0 - 0 2nd-and-10 own 24 rushed for 4 yards

1 3:06 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 36 rushed for 11 yards (first down)

1 2:32 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 25 rushed for 4 yards

1 0:43 0 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 14 rushed for 3 yards

2 14:59 3 - 0 2nd-and-7 opp 11 rushed for 2 yards

2 12:08 3 - 0 1st-and-15 own 38 rushed for 0 yards

2 11:31 3 - 0 2nd-and-15 own 38 target of incomplete pass

2 7:09 3 - 0 1st-and-10 own 21 rushed for 2 yards

2 6:09 3 - 0 1st-and-10 own 41 rushed for 3 yards

2 5:33 3 - 0 2nd-and-7 own 44 rushed for -3 yards

2 3:07 3 - 0 2nd-and-2 opp 47 rushed for 4 yards (first down)

2 2:32 3 - 0 1st-and-10 opp 43 caught pass for 11 yards (first down)

3 14:54 3 - 0 1st-and-10 own 25 rushed for 1 yards

3 13:59 3 - 0 1st-and-10 own 36 rushed for 4 yards

3 13:26 3 - 0 2nd-and-6 own 40 rushed for -1 yards

3 8:06 3 - 0 1st-and-10 own 2 rushed for 3 yards

3 7:05 3 - 0 1st-and-10 own 29 rushed for 3 yards

4 7:27 3 - 14 2nd-and-2 opp 36 rushed for 0 yards

4 6:07 3 - 14 4th-and-1 opp 35 rushed for 0 yards

Wow. In his last five carries, he averaged one yard. Averaged zero in his last two. Way to get stronger as the game goes on.