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Mr. Peterson
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I don't think he was a 1st rounder.
DarabZarrabi
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he will have a spot in the workout warrior hall of fame
munchkin
Footballguy
Jackson certainly has been a big disappointment given that the Patriots traded up to get him. While he has been set back by injuries his lack of maturity has also been a big detriment to his growth. He will be given another chance to step up and claim the 2nd receiver spot on the team. He has more talent than Gaffney on paper but has yet to show that it translates on to the field. I am also hoping that he shows enough in training camp to give us cause for optimism.
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Here's a good article on Chad Jackson - from the news blogger
Some highlights from the article:
Unfortunately, his expectations as a pro have not been met because of injuries.
“I had the hamstring and the groin and everything last year, and the ACL [injury] also, so it was tough coming in my rookie year,” said Jackson, who had 13 receptions for 152 yards and three touchdowns last year.
“He works hard,” Belichick said. “He knows a lot more this year than he knew last year going into the season or even at this point. I think Chad’s done what he can do. He’s been limited in some things, but I don’t think that’s held him back on the other things. He works hard on his preparation and assignments, he’s matured a lot and he’s made a lot of progress.”
Some highlights from the article:
Unfortunately, his expectations as a pro have not been met because of injuries.
“I had the hamstring and the groin and everything last year, and the ACL [injury] also, so it was tough coming in my rookie year,” said Jackson, who had 13 receptions for 152 yards and three touchdowns last year.
“He works hard,” Belichick said. “He knows a lot more this year than he knew last year going into the season or even at this point. I think Chad’s done what he can do. He’s been limited in some things, but I don’t think that’s held him back on the other things. He works hard on his preparation and assignments, he’s matured a lot and he’s made a lot of progress.”
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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I'll never understand how a guy getting injured proves he was a bad pick, has attitude problems or can't play. Especially given the almost pure randomness of injuries in the NFL. But it's a constant theme on these boards.
The Pats moved up a long way to get him, making him an early 2nd round pick.
His rookie year he pulled a hamstring, and tried to come back to soon. He made it back and then blew his ACL. Despite the injuries and limited playing time he had three TDs his rookie year.
The knee wasn't ready to start the season, and when he was fully healed the Pats were in the midst of a record-setting offensive season.
But instead of cutting him or putting him on IR, they brought him back anyway for the end of season run.
Despite losing Stallworth, they only signed Gaffney to a one year deal.
In my mind that all adds up to the Pats still believing they've got a player. And if he can stay healthy I think he'll eventually have value. He's certainly a much better bet than most of the guys around his ADP and you can get him for next to nothing - maybe even off your WW.
The Pats moved up a long way to get him, making him an early 2nd round pick.
His rookie year he pulled a hamstring, and tried to come back to soon. He made it back and then blew his ACL. Despite the injuries and limited playing time he had three TDs his rookie year.
The knee wasn't ready to start the season, and when he was fully healed the Pats were in the midst of a record-setting offensive season.
But instead of cutting him or putting him on IR, they brought him back anyway for the end of season run.
Despite losing Stallworth, they only signed Gaffney to a one year deal.
In my mind that all adds up to the Pats still believing they've got a player. And if he can stay healthy I think he'll eventually have value. He's certainly a much better bet than most of the guys around his ADP and you can get him for next to nothing - maybe even off your WW.
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munchkin
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His attitude problems were not related to his injuries. He has acted in the past like an immature idiot at Patriot events (as related to PFW listeners in past broadcasts) and not shown, at least early on, an interest in doing what he needed to do to gain the respect of his coaches and team mates. Now that was in the past and it did hurt his growth as an NFL receiver. We are hoping that is behind him and he lives up to his hype and draft position.
I think this is a very good post and really breaks down the situation. Stallworth is gone and Gaffney is on a one year contract. This wreaks of Bellicheck giving Jackson one year (hopefully healthy) to see what Chad can do. If he shows an inkling of progress, he may have the chance to take the outside spot opposite of Moss in '09 (if he does not win it even earlier).
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
That's exactly how I read it too Sweet. If he's healthy I think the WR2 spot is his by the end of the year (NFL2, not FF2).
Dinsy Ejotuz
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lol... I own him in every league because of what I wrote, not vice versa.When I saw this thread, I was going to send out a "Paging wdcrob" alert.Seems I was a little late
David Yudkin
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I fully expect Jackson to win a starting job and the Pats will line up Moss on wide side, Jackson on the other, and Welker in the slot. Gaffney goes back to being a safety valve and in on 4th receiver sets and having the occasional big play when everyone else is covered. IMO, Jackson will put up numbers similar to what Stallworth did last season (but maybe with a couple more TD).
cstu
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Did you know he just turned 23 and is younger than Donnie Avery and Limas Sweed? He's also just over a month older than Jordy Nelson. He was very young when he came out of college and not really prepared to be an NFL player his rookie year. Hopefully what he's been through the last two years has helped him mature.
munchkin
Footballguy
Yes he was young when he came out but I wished he could have taken to coaching like Sydney Rice did instead of wasting a year or two trying to figure it out. I am hoping that at this point in his career Moss can be a positive mentor. I know that on some level that seems like an oxymoron but in the world of spoiled children it may just work.
tombonneau
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Better coaching wouldn't have helped him not get hurt. But I agree, his rookie year he seemed to have attitude & maturity issues. (IIRC, him acting immature at some offsite event was from his rookie season.)Since then, I think he's been humbled and/or matured, and everything I have read has been positive. The last semi-negative thing I read about him was preseason when either him or agent expressed they would be extremely disappointed if he as IRd and not PUPd due to ACL recovery because he really felt he could play & contribute in 2007.Since then, I've heard nothing but good things. And while the quote from BB above sounds like normal coachspeak, it's actually not that common for BB to say something like that about a young player, so it shouldn't be taken with a grain of salt.As far as his production, I agree expect his upside to be Stallworth numbers this year, but in 2009 he could really start to blossom.
twitch
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Oh, Chad Jackson. What a mystery this guy is. Who knows what he'll do this year, but Ill say this much. If he earns a starting spot opposite Moss and Welker, there wont be a receiver in the league who'll see single coverage more often than Jackson. He obviously needs to stay healthy.
As a side note, Jackson seems a little flaky. He's definitely got that prima dona quality about him. And it worries me a little bit. Because if he underachieves or gets hurt again and doesnt hold up, NE's going to be thin at WR. Stallworth held up the entire season, as well as Moss and Welker. NE was very, very fortunate last year regarding health of their receivers. Donte is obviously gone. Jackson's recent history hasnt been good. I think NE's flirting with a danger just a bit this season with their receiver corps. jmho there. hopefully my pessimism wont be realized.
As a side note, Jackson seems a little flaky. He's definitely got that prima dona quality about him. And it worries me a little bit. Because if he underachieves or gets hurt again and doesnt hold up, NE's going to be thin at WR. Stallworth held up the entire season, as well as Moss and Welker. NE was very, very fortunate last year regarding health of their receivers. Donte is obviously gone. Jackson's recent history hasnt been good. I think NE's flirting with a danger just a bit this season with their receiver corps. jmho there. hopefully my pessimism wont be realized.
Alluro
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On a patriots board a couple months back a video was posted of him talking about some local function he was involved with. The dude looks like a linebacker now or he's gotten some advice from David Boston on working out. He's definitely one of the sleepers I will be watching closely for this upcoming season.
twitch
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Honestly, munch, I wouldnt worry much about that opinion. What are they basing that on? His rookie performance? Not really much to judge there. And he was a 21 year old rookie. Last season's performance? He basically didnt play. And he was coming off a torn ACL anyway. We all know some receivers take 2 or 3 years before they really figure out the pro game. The guy caught 88 balls his last year at Florida. We know he can catch the ball. He's a big, physical kid. And he's learning from some of the better players in the league. Gaffney and Welker are basically overachievers. I like him learning the position and how to work from those 2 and Moss. The kid just has to stay on the field. If he does that, he'll be OK.
munchkin
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This issue may have shown up in practice as well. I agree there is not a whole lot to go on given that he was not on the field much last year except for KO returns. I also want to point out that the guys at PFW loved this kid when he came out and haven't given up on him by any stretch but as has been stated here he needs to stay healthy and produce.
tombonneau
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Here's a link to that video:http://cfc.abc3340.com/videoondemand.cfm?id=12106
He's looking pretty ripped. No way to tell if that translates to onfield production, but he's more than just a speed guy.
RoosterScott
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He'll be the next big thing out of NE. Step aside Wes. The world will now learn about Chad Jackson. Awesome link with the video. The kid is young and ripped and primed for a breakout. BUY BUY BUY
Alluro
Footballguy
May. 20 - 2:36 pm et
Chad Jackson stood out at the Patriots' passing minicamp on Tuesday.
The media is allowed access to one day of the camp, and the Boston Globe, the Herald and the Providence Journal all noted that Jackson stood out. He made a nice catch over the middle and was also running routes better than he has in the past. Jackson is the underdog to Jabar Gaffney in their competition to be the Pats' No. 1 split end.
Chad Jackson stood out at the Patriots' passing minicamp on Tuesday.
The media is allowed access to one day of the camp, and the Boston Globe, the Herald and the Providence Journal all noted that Jackson stood out. He made a nice catch over the middle and was also running routes better than he has in the past. Jackson is the underdog to Jabar Gaffney in their competition to be the Pats' No. 1 split end.
Football Jones
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This kid is still as young as a lot of rookies. I'm not going to predict a big dropoff for Randy Moss in '08, but I'm real leery of the several sucky years (by Moss' standards) prior to his rejuvination last season. I'm not buying he's an automatic stud the next several years. I'm old enough to know people rarely change. The odds of Moss staying motivated are pretty slim, IMO.
At the same time, I'm high on Brady, & Jackson could be the beneficiary of Moss' potential re-regression (if you will).
At the same time, I'm high on Brady, & Jackson could be the beneficiary of Moss' potential re-regression (if you will).
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Phlash
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Jackson has loads of talent, and word is that he's been working hard in the offseason to make himself a better player. With Brady at the helm, Jackson could take the #2, but he's going to have to go through Jabar Gaffney and Kelley Washington. I really think he's going to have a tough time taking the #3 position, as Jabar was awesome last year (and is only 27 himself), and Kelley Washington was on fire in the preseason. I think Washington may stay on special teams where he was awesome last year, but he is a very good receiver himself. Also, Jabar is obviously not old and can play, and was a 2nd round pick himself. However, BB loves Chad Jackson and is going to see to it that he wins the #2 in my opinion. The guy is built like a tank, runs a 4.3, and looks primed to go off this season as the #2/#3.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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David Yudkin
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Jackson is focused on a regular role
By Christopher L. Gasper
Globe Staff / May 21, 2008
FOXBOROUGH - You don't have to be a card-counting MIT math wizard to figure out how many receptions Patriots wide receivers Chad Jackson and Kelley Washington combined for last year. Simply by showing up for the second day of the team's passing camp yesterday and hauling in a few practice tosses from Tom Brady, the two topped their total from last season: zero.
The two receivers are at different points in their careers, but have the same thing to prove - that they can be capable pass-catchers for the Patriots. Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and the underrated Jabar Gaffney are all back, but somebody is going to have to replace the 46 receptions for 697 yards and three touchdowns that Donté Stallworth took with him to Cleveland.
"Donté is gone, so there is a big spot open, like everybody is saying," said Jackson.
Physical ability isn't the question with either the 6-foot-1-inch, 215-pound Jackson or the 6-3, 215-pound Washington. It's whether they can master the finer points of the Patriots' record-setting passing attack.
If nothing else, Washington has value as a special teams standout. He shined in that role last year, his first with the Patriots. However, Jackson, for all his tantalizing talent, has failed to carve out a fit with New England and justify the Patriots' decision to trade second- and third-round picks to the Packers in the 2006 draft to move up 16 slots in the second round to take him at No. 36 overall.
In two injury-plagued seasons, Jackson has caught 13 balls for 152 yards and three touchdowns. Last year, after missing the first nine games while he recovered from a torn ACL he suffered in the 2007 AFC title game, Jackson was active for just two of the remaining seven regular-season games and used only as a kick returner. He reprised that role in the lone playoff game he was active for against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
It doesn't help that the wide receiver taken with the second-rounder the Patriots dished to Green Bay, Greg Jennings, has emerged as exactly the type of big-play threat the Patriots thought they were getting in Jackson.
"I think it's an important year for me," said Jackson. "This is what they drafted me for. I'm going to come out there and show the coaches what I can do and show the fans what I can do and help out this team any way I can."
While there have been questions in the past about Jackson's professionalism and maturity, he spent the offseason in Foxborough working out and studying his playbook. It showed yesterday as both his route-running and focus were noticeably sharper.
"Last year I was going through the injury and stuff; this year is a different year for me," said Jackson, who turned 23 in March. "It's a more mature year and a settle-down year for me.
"Everything is coming along for me easy now, and all I'm doing right now is just concentrating and getting the plays down to be on the same track with the quarterback and the coach."
But it's not just young players who have a hard time picking up the Patriots' offense.
"Last year, it just seemed that everything was going so fast," said Washington, who is entering his sixth season. "It's kind of tough for guys to come into a system like this. We had guys do it. It's just all about going out there and producing."
Washington re-signed with the Patriots in the offseason, a two-year deal that could be worth more than $1.96 million, including bonuses. Washington, who will turn 29 in August, excelled on kickoff and punt coverage for the Patriots and recorded the team's first blocked punt since 1999 in a 20-10 win over the New York Jets Dec. 16.
He believes he can still be a key special teams player while adding an offensive element to his game.
"I love playing special teams," he said. "I love what I can do out there, but there's something about offense where it's nice to catch balls and make plays, too."
Washington said it's up to him to earn more playing time.
"We've got some talented guys who produced last year," he said, "and I would just like to go out there and show them that I can make some plays offensively to complement my special teams."
Washington knows the Patriots have invested a lot in Jackson, and the veteran is rooting for his callow competition to help the team.
"We've all been through that in our career where you're at that point where the team, the coaching staff, the organization really wants you to step up and make plays," said Washington. "We've all been there, and I think with Chad, he's got a great opportunity because he is talented, and I think everybody kind of expects big things from him."
But who plays is based on execution, not expectation.
"They can script plays and they can do that and tell you what you got to do," said Washington, "but it's up to the player to do it."
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By Christopher L. Gasper
Globe Staff / May 21, 2008
FOXBOROUGH - You don't have to be a card-counting MIT math wizard to figure out how many receptions Patriots wide receivers Chad Jackson and Kelley Washington combined for last year. Simply by showing up for the second day of the team's passing camp yesterday and hauling in a few practice tosses from Tom Brady, the two topped their total from last season: zero.
The two receivers are at different points in their careers, but have the same thing to prove - that they can be capable pass-catchers for the Patriots. Randy Moss, Wes Welker, and the underrated Jabar Gaffney are all back, but somebody is going to have to replace the 46 receptions for 697 yards and three touchdowns that Donté Stallworth took with him to Cleveland.
"Donté is gone, so there is a big spot open, like everybody is saying," said Jackson.
Physical ability isn't the question with either the 6-foot-1-inch, 215-pound Jackson or the 6-3, 215-pound Washington. It's whether they can master the finer points of the Patriots' record-setting passing attack.
If nothing else, Washington has value as a special teams standout. He shined in that role last year, his first with the Patriots. However, Jackson, for all his tantalizing talent, has failed to carve out a fit with New England and justify the Patriots' decision to trade second- and third-round picks to the Packers in the 2006 draft to move up 16 slots in the second round to take him at No. 36 overall.
In two injury-plagued seasons, Jackson has caught 13 balls for 152 yards and three touchdowns. Last year, after missing the first nine games while he recovered from a torn ACL he suffered in the 2007 AFC title game, Jackson was active for just two of the remaining seven regular-season games and used only as a kick returner. He reprised that role in the lone playoff game he was active for against the Jacksonville Jaguars.
It doesn't help that the wide receiver taken with the second-rounder the Patriots dished to Green Bay, Greg Jennings, has emerged as exactly the type of big-play threat the Patriots thought they were getting in Jackson.
"I think it's an important year for me," said Jackson. "This is what they drafted me for. I'm going to come out there and show the coaches what I can do and show the fans what I can do and help out this team any way I can."
While there have been questions in the past about Jackson's professionalism and maturity, he spent the offseason in Foxborough working out and studying his playbook. It showed yesterday as both his route-running and focus were noticeably sharper.
"Last year I was going through the injury and stuff; this year is a different year for me," said Jackson, who turned 23 in March. "It's a more mature year and a settle-down year for me.
"Everything is coming along for me easy now, and all I'm doing right now is just concentrating and getting the plays down to be on the same track with the quarterback and the coach."
But it's not just young players who have a hard time picking up the Patriots' offense.
"Last year, it just seemed that everything was going so fast," said Washington, who is entering his sixth season. "It's kind of tough for guys to come into a system like this. We had guys do it. It's just all about going out there and producing."
Washington re-signed with the Patriots in the offseason, a two-year deal that could be worth more than $1.96 million, including bonuses. Washington, who will turn 29 in August, excelled on kickoff and punt coverage for the Patriots and recorded the team's first blocked punt since 1999 in a 20-10 win over the New York Jets Dec. 16.
He believes he can still be a key special teams player while adding an offensive element to his game.
"I love playing special teams," he said. "I love what I can do out there, but there's something about offense where it's nice to catch balls and make plays, too."
Washington said it's up to him to earn more playing time.
"We've got some talented guys who produced last year," he said, "and I would just like to go out there and show them that I can make some plays offensively to complement my special teams."
Washington knows the Patriots have invested a lot in Jackson, and the veteran is rooting for his callow competition to help the team.
"We've all been through that in our career where you're at that point where the team, the coaching staff, the organization really wants you to step up and make plays," said Washington. "We've all been there, and I think with Chad, he's got a great opportunity because he is talented, and I think everybody kind of expects big things from him."
But who plays is based on execution, not expectation.
"They can script plays and they can do that and tell you what you got to do," said Washington, "but it's up to the player to do it."
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Hubba hubba.
DropKick
Footballguy
Advice from David Boston is a good thing?One pattern I remember from his rookie campaign is a brief appearance to let a long pass go through his hands.
Alluro
Footballguy
Where is that quote coming from?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Says "a Patriot scout." Other than that? No idea... one of the NE newspapers, but I forget which one now.
Alluro
Footballguy
I Googled that quote and found something online:http://pregame.com/forums/blogs/tommy-ride...tter-in-08.aspx
Lets just say i'm pretty happy to have Mr. Jackson on the club right about now
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