Chad Johnson vs. Steve Smith (1 Viewer)

[bjlmonster]

Bottom line for each of this is who do you feel most comfortable with. You can find a negative for Smith, TO, Moss, Moss, Holt, CJ, and Harrison. If you have a choice between them, it is all speculation of which one will succeed and which won't.

Take the guy you believe in and at minimum you won't be second guessing yourself later.

 

[radballs]

I'm a huge CJ fan, but there's one argument I rarely see discussed regarding Palmer's health. If Palmer isn't healthy, I believe his replacement is more likely to target his number one receiver (Chad Johnson). Most likely, Palmer's backup won't have near the ability to read NFL defenses or the wherewithal to find his other targets. In other words, Palmer has become such a proficient QB that he is learning how to check down, spread the ball around, and look for the open man. TJ is the one who is the primary beneficiary of Palmer being the opening day QB. I think if it's anyone else, CJ may get the same or even more targets even though the receptions/targets ratio may decrease. I still view CJ as a top 4 WR regardless of Palmer's health.

 

[The Moz]

Steve Smith is jst a fierce competitor ! He attacks the football with more agression then any WR I have really seen. This allows him at 5'9 to actually be a TD threat in close. The man finds a a way to get the football. It took being tripple teamed in the championship game to stop the kid ! ! Double teams alot fio times can't stop him.

 

[zamboni]

Steve Smith is jst a fierce competitor ! He attacks the football with more agression then any WR I have really seen.

Attacks teammates with the same venom, too.

 

[sem_envy]

CJ is terribly overrated. A possession receiver who talks smack through the media.

2005 - 8th in PPG among WRs

2004 - 10th in PPG among WRs

2003 - 4th in PPG among WRs

2002 - 19th in PPG among WRs

And he's the consensus #1 WR in the league? And enough about how young he is. He's 28 years old. Seems he did better with KITNA.

Holt

2005 - 3rd in PPG among WRs

2004 - 6th in PPG among WRs

2003 - 2nd in PPG among WRs

2002 - 14th in PPG among WRs

Harrison

2005 - 7th in PPG among WRs

2004 - 5th in PPG among WRs

2003 - 3rd in PPG among WRs

2002 - 1st in PPG among WRs

TO

2005 - 1st in PPG among WRs

2004 - 2nd in PPG among WRs

2003 - 11th in PPG among WRs

2002 - 2nd in PPG among WRs

You take the top 25 redraft FBG WRs BEST year, CJ isn't even in the top 10. His ceiling is limited. So is the floor, but #1? No way. He'll get his 7-9 TDs, 1,200 yards, solid #1. But people predicting a career year to justify him #1 WR overall? Come on. If he didn't talk trash, 95% of FF wouldn't even be able to tell you what # jersey he wears.

He's a nice pick at WR 4-6. Solid production. Isn't going to explode for 15 tds (EVER). And Housh will likely get more TDs then CJ if he stays healthy. CJ just isn't a big play WR, and his best year, comes up very small against Holt, TO, Harrison, SS, R Moss. And for a guy who turns 29 just after xmas, this amazing "upside" and "CJ is so young" is all just man crush rhetoric.

Agree Completely. When I watch Smitty and CJ, I can't get past ability after the catch . . . CJ falls down on a large percentage of the balls that he catches and picks up no extra yardage, while Smith always seems to make something happen after the catch.

Smith just seems to have the lateral quickness and killer instinct that CJ lacks. Also, T.J. Houshmandzadeh gets more red zone looks on a per game basis, hurting CJ's potential TD total.

In some ways I see a parallel between Harrison and CJ, both are the #1's on their teams (elite passing teams), but the #2 receiver is not far behind, and the quarterback is too smart to force the ball into a receiver, regardless of who it is.

To me, CJ is wonderfully consistent and never gets hurt, but he's not capable of the #1 WR. Interesting to see feedback on these thoughts . . . generally I have seen CJ's #1 or #2 ranking go unchallenged.

 

[Verbal Kint]

The addition of Keyshawn in Carolina is likely to take away from Smith numbers.

Just the opposite IMHO.S. Smith will no longer be double and tripled teamed. After watching the SEA game in the playoffs, I think defenses would have taken a note from SEA and just triple team Smith. Other CAR WRs were wide open the whole game, but they were not aggressive enough to get the ball thrown to them. KJ will want the ball, and defenses will not be able to triple S. Smith.

Look at who Delhomme had to throw to last year, no WR/TE other than Smith caught more than 25 balls. There were games where he would force balls to Smith because he was the only one making plays. With Keyshawn and an improved Drew Carter, there is no way that Smith puts up the numbers from last year (103 catches, 1563 yds, 12 TD). Like you said, Keyshawn will want the ball, and you can be sure that he will get at least 50 catches this year, twice that of the #2 WR in CAR last year.

Smith had an unbelievable % of the total receptions last year. A regression toward the mean is unavoidable.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

The addition of Keyshawn in Carolina is likely to take away from Smith numbers.

Just the opposite IMHO.S. Smith will no longer be double and tripled teamed. After watching the SEA game in the playoffs, I think defenses would have taken a note from SEA and just triple team Smith. Other CAR WRs were wide open the whole game, but they were not aggressive enough to get the ball thrown to them. KJ will want the ball, and defenses will not be able to triple S. Smith.

Look at who Delhomme had to throw to last year, no WR/TE other than Smith caught more than 25 balls. There were games where he would force balls to Smith because he was the only one making plays. With Keyshawn and an improved Drew Carter, there is no way that Smith puts up the numbers from last year (103 catches, 1563 yds, 12 TD). Like you said, Keyshawn will want the ball, and you can be sure that he will get at least 50 catches this year, twice that of the #2 WR in CAR last year.

Smith had an unbelievable % of the total receptions last year. A regression toward the mean is unavoidable.

Not so fast!

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Agree Completely. When I watch Smitty and CJ, I can't get past ability after the catch . . . CJ falls down on a large percentage of the balls that he catches and picks up no extra yardage, while Smith always seems to make something happen after the catch.

This seems to work well for Marvin Harrison. If there's any offense in the league comparable to Indy the last few years, it's Cincy.Perhaps we're being a little hard on a guy that has ranked 3,9 & 4 the last three years.

 

[Verbal Kint]

The addition of Keyshawn in Carolina is likely to take away from Smith numbers.

Just the opposite IMHO.S. Smith will no longer be double and tripled teamed. After watching the SEA game in the playoffs, I think defenses would have taken a note from SEA and just triple team Smith. Other CAR WRs were wide open the whole game, but they were not aggressive enough to get the ball thrown to them. KJ will want the ball, and defenses will not be able to triple S. Smith.

Look at who Delhomme had to throw to last year, no WR/TE other than Smith caught more than 25 balls. There were games where he would force balls to Smith because he was the only one making plays. With Keyshawn and an improved Drew Carter, there is no way that Smith puts up the numbers from last year (103 catches, 1563 yds, 12 TD). Like you said, Keyshawn will want the ball, and you can be sure that he will get at least 50 catches this year, twice that of the #2 WR in CAR last year.

Smith had an unbelievable % of the total receptions last year. A regression toward the mean is unavoidable.

Not so fast!

To be clear, you're not disputing sentence #1, only sentence #2 correct?

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

The addition of Keyshawn in Carolina is likely to take away from Smith numbers.

Just the opposite IMHO.S. Smith will no longer be double and tripled teamed. After watching the SEA game in the playoffs, I think defenses would have taken a note from SEA and just triple team Smith. Other CAR WRs were wide open the whole game, but they were not aggressive enough to get the ball thrown to them. KJ will want the ball, and defenses will not be able to triple S. Smith.

Look at who Delhomme had to throw to last year, no WR/TE other than Smith caught more than 25 balls. There were games where he would force balls to Smith because he was the only one making plays. With Keyshawn and an improved Drew Carter, there is no way that Smith puts up the numbers from last year (103 catches, 1563 yds, 12 TD). Like you said, Keyshawn will want the ball, and you can be sure that he will get at least 50 catches this year, twice that of the #2 WR in CAR last year.

Smith had an unbelievable % of the total receptions last year. A regression toward the mean is unavoidable.

Not so fast!

To be clear, you're not disputing sentence #1, only sentence #2 correct?

Yes.Also I'm not disputing it so much as pointing out that Steve Smith has done this before and Carolina has done it three straight years.

Perhaps Jake Delhomme is the new Jeff Blake.

 

[B. Nugget]

The crazy thing is Steve Smith and Chad Johnson were teammates at a junior college. That is some serious WR talent!

B. Nugget

 

[TrueD]

May be a Honda but with Palmer gone for a little while what is the rationale behind this?

Cincy O > Carolina O

Carolina O will be better than Cincy O this year

 

[toxicbees]

I'm a huge CJ fan, but there's one argument I rarely see discussed regarding Palmer's health. If Palmer isn't healthy, I believe his replacement is more likely to target his number one receiver (Chad Johnson). Most likely, Palmer's backup won't have near the ability to read NFL defenses or the wherewithal to find his other targets. In other words, Palmer has become such a proficient QB that he is learning how to check down, spread the ball around, and look for the open man. TJ is the one who is the primary beneficiary of Palmer being the opening day QB. I think if it's anyone else, CJ may get the same or even more targets even though the receptions/targets ratio may decrease. I still view CJ as a top 4 WR regardless of Palmer's health.

I agree. CJ had one of his best years under Kitna. Palmer is so good that he can spread the ball more.