Chad Johnson vs. T.J. Houshmandzadeh (1 Viewer)

[Musesboy]

I am a big fan of Chad Johnson. He is undoubtedly talented. He works hard to keep improving. Although he shoots his mouth off, it's done in a clever and funny way and there is no harm intended. In short, he is good for the game in every way. But, as much as I love the guy, I am starting to believe that T.J. Houshmandzadeh is the better fantasy pick.

That may sound a little crazy, but hear me out. There is no dispute that Johnson has been the more productive receiver. Using FBGs scoring, Johnson has finished 3rd, 9th, 4th, and 4th among WRs over the last four seasons. He hasn't missed a single game in that span. His targets have been consistent, ranging from 154 to 158 per season. His fantasy point totals were 196, 185, 201, and 181. So why am I down on him? The truth is, I am not. That's good production for a receiver, and worthy of a pick in the latter half of the second round. But last year showed a distinct shift.

Houshmandzadeh finished 31st in 2004 (104 targets), and 14th in 2005 (115 targets in 14 games). He didn't reach 1000 yards in either year, and managed a total of 11 TDs. That's not bad for a player that is not the leading receiver on his own team, but 2006 looked a lot different. Despite missing the first two games, Houshmandzadeh went over 1000 yards for the first time. In fact, he was targeted 133 times in his 14 games, and posted 1081 yards and 9 TDs. That's a significant increase, and one which has been largely ignored so far by most FF experts.

Let's take a detailed look at the 2006 production of Johnson and Houshmandzadeh over the 14 games in which they both played:

Week 03: Johnson 2 targets, 1 reception, 11 yards, 0 TDs - 1.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 10 targets, 9 receptions, 94 yards, 2 TDs - 21.4 fantasy points

Week 04: Johnson 14 targets, 6 receptions, 64 yards, 0 TDs - 6.4 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 7 targets, 4 receptions, 95 yards, 0 TDs - 9.5 fantasy points

Week 05: Bye

Week 06: Johnson 12 targets, 6 receptions, 99 yards, 0 TDs - 9.9 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 14 targets, 10 receptions, 102 yards, 1 TD - 16.2 fantasy points

Week 07: Johnson 12 targets, 6 receptions, 73 yards, 0 TDs - 7.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 13 targets, 7 receptions, 61 yards, 1 TD - 12.1 fantasy points

Week 08: Johnson 13 targets, 6 receptions, 78 yards, 1 TD - 13.8 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 7 targets, 6 receptions, 70 yards, 0 TDs - 7.6 fantasy points

Week 09: Johnson 7 targets, 4 receptions, 31 yards, 0 TDs - 3.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 8 targets, 3 receptions, 66 yards, 1 TD - 12.6 fantasy points

Week 10: Johnson 12 targets, 11 receptions, 260 yards, 2 TDs - 38.0 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 10 targets, 7 receptions, 88 yards, 0 TDs - 8.8 fantasy points

Week 11: Johnson 10 targets, 6 receptions, 190 yards, 3 TDs - 37.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 5 targets, 2 receptions, 15 yards, 0 TDs - 1.5 fantasy points

Week 12: Johnson 11 targets, 7 receptions, 123 yards, 0 TDs - 12.9 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 8 targets, 7 receptions, 79 yards, 1 TD - 13.9 fantasy points

Week 13: Johnson 10 targets, 8 receptions, 91 yards, 0 TDs - 9.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 11 targets, 10 receptions, 106 yards, 1 TD - 16.6 fantasy points

Week 14: Johnson 9 targets, 5 receptions, 101 yards, 0 TDs - 10.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 10 targets, 8 receptions, 118 yards, 1 TD - 17.8 fantasy points

Week 15: Johnson 8 targets, 3 receptions, 37 yards, 0 TDs - 3.8 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 6 targets, 4 receptions, 49 yards, 0 TDs - 4.9 fantasy points

Week 16: Johnson 9 targets, 3 receptions, 32 yards, 0 TDs - 3.2 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 12 targets, 9 receptions, 94 yards, 1 TD - 15.4 fantasy points

Week 17: Johnson 6 targets, 4 receptions, 53 yards, 0 TDs - 5.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 12 targets, 4 receptions, 44 yards, 0 TDs - 4.4 fantasy points

Totals for weeks 3 through 17:

Johnson 135 targets, 76 receptions, 1243 yards, 6 TDs - 161.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 133 targets, 90 receptions, 1081 yards, 9 TDs - 162.7 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh outscored Johnson 10 times in 14 starts. Ok, Johnson had two immense games and you probably won that week if you started him. But he wasn't exactly consistent. FF is all about churning out a good score in as many weeks as possible, not winning two games by 50 points and losing most of the others. Johnson reached double-digit fantasy points six times in 16 starts, while Houshmandzadeh managed the same feat eight times in 14 starts.

It's surprising isn't it? Is it an anomaly, or the start of a trend? That's for you to decide.

Here's another interesting statistic. Houshmandzadeh was targeted 22 times in the red zone last year, compared to Johnson's 11 targets. Houshmandzadeh hardly ever drops the ball, and he doesn't leave the field due to cramp.

Looking at the FBGs expert rankings, Chad Johnson is ranked fractionally behind Steve Smith as the second WR for redraft purposes. He is ranked 13th overall. His ADP is likely to be somewhere in the early part of the second round. Houshmandzadeh is ranked as WR16 and 42nd overall, so you can likely get him in the 4th round or later.

12 of the 17 current FBGs redraft expert rankings have Johnson as one of their top two receivers, while only four have Houshmandzadeh in the top 10. Yudkin actually has Houshmandzadeh ahead of Johnson. Is he right?

I am not saying that Houshmandzadeh is better than Chad Johnson. But which is the better value?

One other thing to consider is that Carson Palmer was not 100% healthy at the start of last year, so both players may have room for improvement.

I hope I have given you something to think about. Let me know your thoughts on this

 

[jwb]

This is pretty interesting. It also falls in with my dynasty drafting style, which is "no first or second round picks on receivers". To me, receivers - in general - are too inconsistent to spend that high a pick on. If I had an early second round pick, I'd rather McGahee, MJD, etc over any receiver (even Fitz or CJ). A late second rounder? I'd rather take an up and coming RB like D Williams or C Benson.

There are a ton of good receivers you can get in rounds 3-7. That's just not so with RB's.

Just my opinion.

 

[lord_helmet]

I'm 100% behind you on the Housh bandwagon, the brilliant part is that he's so underrated. Everybody is raving about Reggie Wayne, why sleep on Houshmandzadeh ?. CJ is one of my favorite players but him and Wayne both are gonna cost us a higher pick than the Palmer-Housh connection.

Housh in the 4th is a steal, hands down.

 

[darmani]

Housh also benefits big time from Chris Henry's time off, but I think most people will be on to that. There's going to be a general awareness that Housh's stats will be better. I think there would have been better draft value opportunity if Henry was around. I think we will see the Chad Johnson/ Housh draft positions converging much like the Harrison/Wayne positions have (though not quite as tight yet)

 

[H.K.]

Chad Johnson has averaged 155 targets, 1300 yards receiving and ~9 TD's for the past four years.

Housh has gone over 1000 yards once in five years and his high water mark for TD's is 9 from last year.

Given what past history has taught us, I'd be somewhat leery of expecting Housh to be as close to CJ as he was last season.

 

[joffer]

Housh averaged 18.1 ppg in ppr scoring last year. i only see two better, Harrison and Smith. is that correct? if so that's pretty impressive.

 

[H.K.]

Housh averaged 18.1 ppg in ppr scoring last year. i only see two better, Harrison and Smith. is that correct? if so that's pretty impressive.

Sounds right to me.

 

[chook]

Housh is a steal, but I'll always love Ocho Cinco for stuff like this:

Bengals Johnson trash talks rookies

Posted: Sunday May 06, 2007 07:30AM ET

Bengals receiver Chad Johnson doesn't talk trash just to opponents, he does it to his teammates, too. The Bengals are holding a rookie minicamp this weekend and Johnson made sure some of the top newcomers know who he is, placing an autographed football card of himself and a hand-written note in the locker of first-round draft pick Leon Hall, a cornerback from Michigan. The note read: "This is as close as you'll get to touch me. God bless."

His antics rarely fail to make me laugh.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I argued the heck out of this last year. Glad to see someone else finally jumping onboard.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5424003

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5586932

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5132713

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5630163

And that's only a couple of them...

The only reasons CJ goes so much higher than Housh are that he broke out first, he's much more entertaining with his off the field antics, and because Housh has missed a couple games to injury that make CJ's end of the seasons stats look a lot better.

 

[Musesboy]

I argued the heck out of this last year. Glad to see someone else finally jumping onboard.

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5424003

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5586932

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5132713

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=5630163

And that's only a couple of them...

The only reasons CJ goes so much higher than Housh are that he broke out first, he's much more entertaining with his off the field antics, and because Housh has missed a couple games to injury that make CJ's end of the seasons stats look a lot better.

Yep, you were all over that one. :(

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

It's an interesting situation.

Some players get dropped down the rankings when their final stats are buoyed by a couple of HUGE games... but not Chad. Outside of his 2 big games, he had 2 TDs and mostly pedestrian yardage. That's not top WR material.

That being said, Chad does have a very good overall track record. Palmer should be better this year than last, and Henry won't be vulturing TDs like last year. I would still worry about the consistent TD production when Henry comes back; Palmer is a little bit like Tom Brady in that he hits the open man, so Chad might not be THE guy week in and week out.

I like Chad Johnson, but he's in the same bucket as a lot of WRs. I think he always has the potential for a monster 1500 yard, 15 TD season, where others in his bucket do not have that potential, but I don't expect him to reach those numbers.

I would draft him around WR 5-8 in redraft, maybe a little higher in dynasty. Maybe.

I don't think it's crazy to have him in the top 3 WRs, but Housh does represent value for sure.

 

[Tau837]

Excellent analysis, excellent thread. We haven't had enough of these threads lately.

 

[Routilla]

I am a big fan of Chad Johnson. He is undoubtedly talented. He works hard to keep improving. Although he shoots his mouth off, it's done in a clever and funny way and there is no harm intended. In short, he is good for the game in every way. But, as much as I love the guy, I am starting to believe that T.J. Houshmandzadeh is the better fantasy pick.

That may sound a little crazy, but hear me out. There is no dispute that Johnson has been the more productive receiver. Using FBGs scoring, Johnson has finished 3rd, 9th, 4th, and 4th among WRs over the last four seasons. He hasn't missed a single game in that span. His targets have been consistent, ranging from 154 to 158 per season. His fantasy point totals were 196, 185, 201, and 181. So why am I down on him? The truth is, I am not. That's good production for a receiver, and worthy of a pick in the latter half of the second round. But last year showed a distinct shift.

Houshmandzadeh finished 31st in 2004 (104 targets), and 14th in 2005 (115 targets in 14 games). He didn't reach 1000 yards in either year, and managed a total of 11 TDs. That's not bad for a player that is not the leading receiver on his own team, but 2006 looked a lot different. Despite missing the first two games, Houshmandzadeh went over 1000 yards for the first time. In fact, he was targeted 133 times in his 14 games, and posted 1081 yards and 9 TDs. That's a significant increase, and one which has been largely ignored so far by most FF experts.

Let's take a detailed look at the 2006 production of Johnson and Houshmandzadeh over the 14 games in which they both played:

Week 03: Johnson 2 targets, 1 reception, 11 yards, 0 TDs - 1.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 10 targets, 9 receptions, 94 yards, 2 TDs - 21.4 fantasy points

Week 04: Johnson 14 targets, 6 receptions, 64 yards, 0 TDs - 6.4 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 7 targets, 4 receptions, 95 yards, 0 TDs - 9.5 fantasy points

Week 05: Bye

Week 06: Johnson 12 targets, 6 receptions, 99 yards, 0 TDs - 9.9 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 14 targets, 10 receptions, 102 yards, 1 TD - 16.2 fantasy points

Week 07: Johnson 12 targets, 6 receptions, 73 yards, 0 TDs - 7.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 13 targets, 7 receptions, 61 yards, 1 TD - 12.1 fantasy points

Week 08: Johnson 13 targets, 6 receptions, 78 yards, 1 TD - 13.8 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 7 targets, 6 receptions, 70 yards, 0 TDs - 7.6 fantasy points

Week 09: Johnson 7 targets, 4 receptions, 31 yards, 0 TDs - 3.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 8 targets, 3 receptions, 66 yards, 1 TD - 12.6 fantasy points

Week 10: Johnson 12 targets, 11 receptions, 260 yards, 2 TDs - 38.0 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 10 targets, 7 receptions, 88 yards, 0 TDs - 8.8 fantasy points

Week 11: Johnson 10 targets, 6 receptions, 190 yards, 3 TDs - 37.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 5 targets, 2 receptions, 15 yards, 0 TDs - 1.5 fantasy points

Week 12: Johnson 11 targets, 7 receptions, 123 yards, 0 TDs - 12.9 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 8 targets, 7 receptions, 79 yards, 1 TD - 13.9 fantasy points

Week 13: Johnson 10 targets, 8 receptions, 91 yards, 0 TDs - 9.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 11 targets, 10 receptions, 106 yards, 1 TD - 16.6 fantasy points

Week 14: Johnson 9 targets, 5 receptions, 101 yards, 0 TDs - 10.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 10 targets, 8 receptions, 118 yards, 1 TD - 17.8 fantasy points

Week 15: Johnson 8 targets, 3 receptions, 37 yards, 0 TDs - 3.8 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 6 targets, 4 receptions, 49 yards, 0 TDs - 4.9 fantasy points

Week 16: Johnson 9 targets, 3 receptions, 32 yards, 0 TDs - 3.2 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 12 targets, 9 receptions, 94 yards, 1 TD - 15.4 fantasy points

Week 17: Johnson 6 targets, 4 receptions, 53 yards, 0 TDs - 5.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 12 targets, 4 receptions, 44 yards, 0 TDs - 4.4 fantasy points

Totals for weeks 3 through 17:

Johnson 135 targets, 76 receptions, 1243 yards, 6 TDs - 161.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 133 targets, 90 receptions, 1081 yards, 9 TDs - 162.7 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh outscored Johnson 10 times in 14 starts. Ok, Johnson had two immense games and you probably won that week if you started him. But he wasn't exactly consistent. FF is all about churning out a good score in as many weeks as possible, not winning two games by 50 points and losing most of the others. Johnson reached double-digit fantasy points six times in 16 starts, while Houshmandzadeh managed the same feat eight times in 14 starts.

It's surprising isn't it? Is it an anomaly, or the start of a trend? That's for you to decide.

Here's another interesting statistic. Houshmandzadeh was targeted 22 times in the red zone last year, compared to Johnson's 11 targets. Houshmandzadeh hardly ever drops the ball, and he doesn't leave the field due to cramp.

Looking at the FBGs expert rankings, Chad Johnson is ranked fractionally behind Steve Smith as the second WR for redraft purposes. He is ranked 13th overall. His ADP is likely to be somewhere in the early part of the second round. Houshmandzadeh is ranked as WR16 and 42nd overall, so you can likely get him in the 4th round or later.

12 of the 17 current FBGs redraft expert rankings have Johnson as one of their top two receivers, while only four have Houshmandzadeh in the top 10. Yudkin actually has Houshmandzadeh ahead of Johnson. Is he right?

I am not saying that Houshmandzadeh is better than Chad Johnson. But which is the better value?

One other thing to consider is that Carson Palmer was not 100% healthy at the start of last year, so both players may have room for improvement.

I hope I have given you something to think about. Let me know your thoughts on this

Great post. I too see Housh as the value play. The fact that Chad will draw the top coverage makes Housh a very good play week in and week out. It makes me want to look for similar situations on other teams where this type of WR value would allow you to load up at RB early and still grab solid WRs. There are several teams with stud WR1s but they don't have a certain #2 like CIN does. Any thoughts on other teams?

 

[Thom Yorke]

I am a big fan of Chad Johnson. He is undoubtedly talented. He works hard to keep improving. Although he shoots his mouth off, it's done in a clever and funny way and there is no harm intended. In short, he is good for the game in every way. But, as much as I love the guy, I am starting to believe that T.J. Houshmandzadeh is the better fantasy pick.

That may sound a little crazy, but hear me out. There is no dispute that Johnson has been the more productive receiver. Using FBGs scoring, Johnson has finished 3rd, 9th, 4th, and 4th among WRs over the last four seasons. He hasn't missed a single game in that span. His targets have been consistent, ranging from 154 to 158 per season. His fantasy point totals were 196, 185, 201, and 181. So why am I down on him? The truth is, I am not. That's good production for a receiver, and worthy of a pick in the latter half of the second round. But last year showed a distinct shift.

Houshmandzadeh finished 31st in 2004 (104 targets), and 14th in 2005 (115 targets in 14 games). He didn't reach 1000 yards in either year, and managed a total of 11 TDs. That's not bad for a player that is not the leading receiver on his own team, but 2006 looked a lot different. Despite missing the first two games, Houshmandzadeh went over 1000 yards for the first time. In fact, he was targeted 133 times in his 14 games, and posted 1081 yards and 9 TDs. That's a significant increase, and one which has been largely ignored so far by most FF experts.

Let's take a detailed look at the 2006 production of Johnson and Houshmandzadeh over the 14 games in which they both played:

Week 03: Johnson 2 targets, 1 reception, 11 yards, 0 TDs - 1.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 10 targets, 9 receptions, 94 yards, 2 TDs - 21.4 fantasy points

Week 04: Johnson 14 targets, 6 receptions, 64 yards, 0 TDs - 6.4 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 7 targets, 4 receptions, 95 yards, 0 TDs - 9.5 fantasy points

Week 05: Bye

Week 06: Johnson 12 targets, 6 receptions, 99 yards, 0 TDs - 9.9 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 14 targets, 10 receptions, 102 yards, 1 TD - 16.2 fantasy points

Week 07: Johnson 12 targets, 6 receptions, 73 yards, 0 TDs - 7.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 13 targets, 7 receptions, 61 yards, 1 TD - 12.1 fantasy points

Week 08: Johnson 13 targets, 6 receptions, 78 yards, 1 TD - 13.8 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 7 targets, 6 receptions, 70 yards, 0 TDs - 7.6 fantasy points

Week 09: Johnson 7 targets, 4 receptions, 31 yards, 0 TDs - 3.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 8 targets, 3 receptions, 66 yards, 1 TD - 12.6 fantasy points

Week 10: Johnson 12 targets, 11 receptions, 260 yards, 2 TDs - 38.0 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 10 targets, 7 receptions, 88 yards, 0 TDs - 8.8 fantasy points

Week 11: Johnson 10 targets, 6 receptions, 190 yards, 3 TDs - 37.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 5 targets, 2 receptions, 15 yards, 0 TDs - 1.5 fantasy points

Week 12: Johnson 11 targets, 7 receptions, 123 yards, 0 TDs - 12.9 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 8 targets, 7 receptions, 79 yards, 1 TD - 13.9 fantasy points

Week 13: Johnson 10 targets, 8 receptions, 91 yards, 0 TDs - 9.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 11 targets, 10 receptions, 106 yards, 1 TD - 16.6 fantasy points

Week 14: Johnson 9 targets, 5 receptions, 101 yards, 0 TDs - 10.1 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 10 targets, 8 receptions, 118 yards, 1 TD - 17.8 fantasy points

Week 15: Johnson 8 targets, 3 receptions, 37 yards, 0 TDs - 3.8 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 6 targets, 4 receptions, 49 yards, 0 TDs - 4.9 fantasy points

Week 16: Johnson 9 targets, 3 receptions, 32 yards, 0 TDs - 3.2 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 12 targets, 9 receptions, 94 yards, 1 TD - 15.4 fantasy points

Week 17: Johnson 6 targets, 4 receptions, 53 yards, 0 TDs - 5.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 12 targets, 4 receptions, 44 yards, 0 TDs - 4.4 fantasy points

Totals for weeks 3 through 17:

Johnson 135 targets, 76 receptions, 1243 yards, 6 TDs - 161.3 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh 133 targets, 90 receptions, 1081 yards, 9 TDs - 162.7 fantasy points

Houshmandzadeh outscored Johnson 10 times in 14 starts. Ok, Johnson had two immense games and you probably won that week if you started him. But he wasn't exactly consistent. FF is all about churning out a good score in as many weeks as possible, not winning two games by 50 points and losing most of the others. Johnson reached double-digit fantasy points six times in 16 starts, while Houshmandzadeh managed the same feat eight times in 14 starts.

It's surprising isn't it? Is it an anomaly, or the start of a trend? That's for you to decide.

Here's another interesting statistic. Houshmandzadeh was targeted 22 times in the red zone last year, compared to Johnson's 11 targets. Houshmandzadeh hardly ever drops the ball, and he doesn't leave the field due to cramp.

Looking at the FBGs expert rankings, Chad Johnson is ranked fractionally behind Steve Smith as the second WR for redraft purposes. He is ranked 13th overall. His ADP is likely to be somewhere in the early part of the second round. Houshmandzadeh is ranked as WR16 and 42nd overall, so you can likely get him in the 4th round or later.

12 of the 17 current FBGs redraft expert rankings have Johnson as one of their top two receivers, while only four have Houshmandzadeh in the top 10. Yudkin actually has Houshmandzadeh ahead of Johnson. Is he right?

I am not saying that Houshmandzadeh is better than Chad Johnson. But which is the better value?

One other thing to consider is that Carson Palmer was not 100% healthy at the start of last year, so both players may have room for improvement.

I hope I have given you something to think about. Let me know your thoughts on this

 

[Musesboy]

Great post. I too see Housh as the value play. The fact that Chad will draw the top coverage makes Housh a very good play week in and week out. It makes me want to look for similar situations on other teams where this type of WR value would allow you to load up at RB early and still grab solid WRs. There are several teams with stud WR1s but they don't have a certain #2 like CIN does. Any thoughts on other teams?

To look at other teams where this may happen, I would start with teams that I expect to throw the ball a lot. Also taking into account teams that have good quality receivers opposite the main guy.Obvious ones are the Cardinals, Bengals, and Colts.Others might includeallas - Glenn has already shown that he can be valuable opposite Owens.Detroit - Depending on how quickly CJ adjusts to the NFL.Green Bay - No proven running game and Jennings could step up. He showed flashes before he was hurt.New Orleans - Brees was very productive. If there is a clear number two, he will do well.St. Louis - Bruce was WR25 last year despite only scoring three times.Patriots - Moss and Stallworth is a potent combination. Brady has spread it around but he has never had two weapons this good. They will not want Maroney to have 350 carries.Giants - Toomer could get plenty of looks if he is healthy.Philadelphia - As long as McNabb stays healthy.

 

[Routilla]

Great post. I too see Housh as the value play. The fact that Chad will draw the top coverage makes Housh a very good play week in and week out. It makes me want to look for similar situations on other teams where this type of WR value would allow you to load up at RB early and still grab solid WRs. There are several teams with stud WR1s but they don't have a certain #2 like CIN does. Any thoughts on other teams?

To look at other teams where this may happen, I would start with teams that I expect to throw the ball a lot. Also taking into account teams that have good quality receivers opposite the main guy.Obvious ones are the Cardinals, Bengals, and Colts.Others might includeallas - Glenn has already shown that he can be valuable opposite Owens.Detroit - Depending on how quickly CJ adjusts to the NFL.Green Bay - No proven running game and Jennings could step up. He showed flashes before he was hurt.New Orleans - Brees was very productive. If there is a clear number two, he will do well.St. Louis - Bruce was WR25 last year despite only scoring three times.Patriots - Moss and Stallworth is a potent combination. Brady has spread it around but he has never had two weapons this good. They will not want Maroney to have 350 carries.Giants - Toomer could get plenty of looks if he is healthy.Philadelphia - As long as McNabb stays healthy.

Good points. Glenn and CJ seem like 2 good candidates but I think DAL may run more than DET. CJ could very well be the Colston of last year.

 

[Musesboy]

Good points. Glenn and CJ seem like 2 good candidates but I think DAL may run more than DET. CJ could very well be the Colston of last year.

Glenn has finished 12th (before Owens) and 20th the last two years though. He will probably be available in the 8th round. A lot can happen between now and the start of the season of course. Owens might fake his own death, or look in the mirror and be blinded by the whiteness of his teeth.

 

[Tau837]

Great post. I too see Housh as the value play. The fact that Chad will draw the top coverage makes Housh a very good play week in and week out. It makes me want to look for similar situations on other teams where this type of WR value would allow you to load up at RB early and still grab solid WRs. There are several teams with stud WR1s but they don't have a certain #2 like CIN does. Any thoughts on other teams?

To look at other teams where this may happen, I would start with teams that I expect to throw the ball a lot. Also taking into account teams that have good quality receivers opposite the main guy.Obvious ones are the Cardinals, Bengals, and Colts.Others might includeallas - Glenn has already shown that he can be valuable opposite Owens.Detroit - Depending on how quickly CJ adjusts to the NFL.Green Bay - No proven running game and Jennings could step up. He showed flashes before he was hurt.New Orleans - Brees was very productive. If there is a clear number two, he will do well.St. Louis - Bruce was WR25 last year despite only scoring three times.Patriots - Moss and Stallworth is a potent combination. Brady has spread it around but he has never had two weapons this good. They will not want Maroney to have 350 carries.Giants - Toomer could get plenty of looks if he is healthy.Philadelphia - As long as McNabb stays healthy.

Dallas - Agree, but Glenn's age and health could be a concern. Then again, his draft position mitigates that risk a lot.Detroit - Agree.Green Bay - Agree, especially considering where his ADP may be at draft time. Low risk, possible high reward.New Orleans - Could be less passing game production to go around, plus WR2 is clearly behind Colston and Bush. I'd say probably not.St. Louis - Bennett could be WR2 or at least impact Bruce's production. I'm not interested in Bruce this year.New England - Assuming Moss is #1, I doubt the #2, whoever it is, will be worth too much. Too many targets given Brady's tendency to spread it around.Giants - Hard to figure what will happen here. On the one hand, it seems that WR2 has been fourth in the passing game in recent years behind Burress, Barber, and Shockey. But the loss of Barber opens up a lot of targets that I'm not sure will be claimed by Jacobs and Droughns. All that said, I'm not high on Toomer.Eagles - I suppose Curtiss could outperform Brown, but I wouldn't be high on needing to start either of these guys regularly on my fantasy team.

 

[mlball77]

This is a very interesting discussion. I consider CJ one of the safest bets at WR in FF. Maybe Housh is not that far behind CJ and it is clear he can be drafted MUCH later.

I think the Fitz/Boldin situation is comparable in this case, although Boldin isn't considered as far behind Fitz in FF terms as Housh is CJ.