Chad Johnson (1 Viewer)

[Kitrick Taylor]

CJ is on pace to put up borderline HOF numbers. Houshmandzadeh won't even come close to consideration. No doubt about it. CJ may very well be more talented, feared, draw more coverage etc. None of that means anything to a fantasy owner. Facts are that over their last 28 games in which both played, Housh has been a better fantasy start that CJ 17 times. That's not an insignificant number. Its better than a 60/40 split over basically two seasons worth of play. I understand it may be difficult for CJ owners to fathom. They didn't see this coming like Harrison and Wayne owners. But these stats don't lie.

So, which is it? The last 28 games or the last 29 games? Why cherry-pick from the 2005 season? And, are the fact that CJ stayed healthy for 4 games and just throw those stats out, too?It's a fascinating statistical strategy you employ. But, hey, whatever it takes to validate your thesis.

Obviously you aren't going to do the homework on this like I did. It is not some statistical strategy. TJ missed 2 games in each 2005, and 2006. It is a legitimate concern in the case for TJ =or > CJ. I stated as much in post #176. I started the statistical comparison in week 7 of 2005, which is 31 games ago. I chose that game because it was Housh's first game back after missing two games due to injury. I also did not include weeks 1 and 2 of 2006 in the comparison as Housh did not play due to injury. CJ scored 6 and 13 points in those games. So yes I did throw out CJ points from week 1 and 2 from 2006. So what we end up dealing with they both played in the last 29 of 31 games for the Bungles. In that first game, (week 7, 2005) CJ had 94 total yards, Housh had 92. A tie. Hence the 29/28 issue. Even if we give weeks 1 and 2 of 2006 to CJ, Housh still beats him 17 weeks to 13.

The problem is that you're really focusing on the years when the gap was narrow without including the years when the gap was wide (2002 and 2004). Those years also count and must be taken into consideration.

I respect that CJ has been a much better WR throughout his career than Housh has. There is no one that is saying that isn't the case. The facts also state that Housh has been much more consistently good for the last two years. That is a large statistical sample in football. If it were just a few games or even just half a season, I could see it as a fart in the wind. But, football isn't even close to baseball. 1 game here = 10 games there. Maybe more as careers tend to be much shorter. Fact is, is that Housh is outproducing a borderline HOFer during the primes of both of their careers, over a long period of time. It seems as though maybe we need to agree to disagree.

 

[Synthesizer]

Is it about time for Houshmandzadeh to get banged up and miss a few games?

 

[Peyton Marino]

Bump.

Chad Johnson - 59 REC, 938 YDS, 3 TDS, 13 FPPG.

TJ Houshmandzadeh - 76 REC, 806 YDS, 11 TDs, 17 FPPG.

non-ppr.

 

[the spanker]

Bump.Chad Johnson - 59 REC, 938 YDS, 3 TDS, 13 FPPG.TJ Houshmandzadeh - 76 REC, 806 YDS, 11 TDs, 17 FPPG.non-ppr.

Money in DA BANK And he was drafted at a much cheaper price

 

[Jayrod]

Bump.Chad Johnson - 59 REC, 938 YDS, 3 TDS, 13 FPPG.TJ Houshmandzadeh - 76 REC, 806 YDS, 11 TDs, 17 FPPG.non-ppr.

In my yardage heavy league (favors CJ), they are at:Housh - 25.45 ppgCJ - 21.95 ppg. Housh has been the higher scorer in 6 out of 10 weeks.

 

[Loopdog]

the problem with this is that chad relies on the bengals o-line to not completely suck, which they have this year. he runs the deep routes, housh runs the underneath stuff. Chad hasn't been having those big games because their line can't protect long enough for Carson to bomb it deep to Chad, so he dumps it underneath to TJ and he is good after the catch. That's really all there is to it, and that TJ is the Bengals #1 option in the Red Zone on crossing routes. Chad is still the same WR he's always been, he just hasn't gotten the chances to run under them deep this year like in years past.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

the problem with this is that chad relies on the bengals o-line to not completely suck, which they have this year. he runs the deep routes, housh runs the underneath stuff. Chad hasn't been having those big games because their line can't protect long enough for Carson to bomb it deep to Chad, so he dumps it underneath to TJ and he is good after the catch. That's really all there is to it, and that TJ is the Bengals #1 option in the Red Zone on crossing routes. Chad is still the same WR he's always been, he just hasn't gotten the chances to run under them deep this year like in years past.

 

[thehornet]

the problem with this is that chad relies on the bengals o-line to not completely suck, which they have this year. he runs the deep routes, housh runs the underneath stuff. Chad hasn't been having those big games because their line can't protect long enough for Carson to bomb it deep to Chad, so he dumps it underneath to TJ and he is good after the catch. That's really all there is to it, and that TJ is the Bengals #1 option in the Red Zone on crossing routes. Chad is still the same WR he's always been, he just hasn't gotten the chances to run under them deep this year like in years past.

very good post

 

[azngangster]

the problem with this is that chad relies on the bengals o-line to not completely suck, which they have this year. he runs the deep routes, housh runs the underneath stuff. Chad hasn't been having those big games because their line can't protect long enough for Carson to bomb it deep to Chad, so he dumps it underneath to TJ and he is good after the catch. That's really all there is to it, and that TJ is the Bengals #1 option in the Red Zone on crossing routes. Chad is still the same WR he's always been, he just hasn't gotten the chances to run under them deep this year like in years past.

Coming from a Bengal homer Hopefully we can fix our O-line problems for next year, because we have too many talented offensive weapons to be struggling like we have at times this year.