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Chargers move to L.A., where Rivers is now burning TOs due to crowd noise (1 Viewer)

Bracie Smathers said:
Expansion SUCKS!!!!!!!!!  Getting a F'ng expansion team sucks, sucks, suuuuuuuuuuuuucks.  Expansion destroys teams, cities, fanbases.  The NFL sells a bag of magic beans to cities and rips away their team, forcing them to build a BRAND NEW STADIUM and give it to the NFL for FREE, jack up ticket prices, forces corporate sponsors to buy corporate boxed seating and then says it helps a city.  BS.  The next time an NFL team moves people should say no and take over the team and keep it where it belongs.  Literally TAKE AWAY THE TEAM.  Yeah, I'm talking STEAL the team.  One F'ng owner against millions?  I'll take those odds any day of the week and twice on Sunday.  These greedy A-holes have had their way for too long.  Time for the people who really care about the game to take it over.  Get rid of the owners.  
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How did we get on the topic of expansion teams?  

 
What we know, is if municipalities do not pay for stadiums, teams WILL move. Cities and fans can talk about how the rich team owners should pay for it. No, they dont have to, they will just move their team. Feeling very bad for the Chargers fans this morning.

 
WheelsUp said:
What we know, is if municipalities do not pay for stadiums, teams WILL move. Cities and fans can talk about how the rich team owners should pay for it. No, they dont have to, they will just move their team. Feeling very bad for the Chargers fans this morning.
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I do too but the team is 75 minutes away. They can still follow if they choose to. 

 
WheelsUp said:
What we know, is if municipalities do not pay for stadiums, teams WILL move. Cities and fans can talk about how the rich team owners should pay for it. No, they dont have to, they will just move their team. Feeling very bad for the Chargers fans this morning.
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Agreed it sucks but simple economics really.  As long as there is someone willing to publically fund stadiums there is not much cities like San Diego can do.  Once the demand for professional sports teams dries up this is the way of the world.

 
Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying moving is right or wrong, but its the truth. Fans and cities just better take notice when they try to take an upper hand on a team. I am glad that San Diego fans do not have to go far and will be able to see all games on TV now (bonus) but it still sucks they wont be the San Diego Chargers.

 
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WheelsUp said:
Dont get me wrong, I'm not saying moving is right or wrong, but its the truth. Fans and cities just better take notice when they try to take an upper hand on a team. I am glad that San Diego fans do not have to go far and will be able to see all games on TV now (bonus) but it still sucks they wont be the San Diego Chargers.
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There is no blackout rule anymore

 
Capella said:
I do too but the team is 75 minutes away. They can still follow if they choose to. 
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My Vikings could move anywhere in the state of MN and it wouldn't matter to me.  That said I am pretty sure it a different feeling for states with multiple teams based on specific cities they play in...

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
They rebrand im out.....

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I would be too.  Hate that and will really miss the powder blues and yellow lightning bolts.  The NFL is starting to get hoggish and it's not good. Pretty soon we'll have the Jags based out of London and someone else based out of Mexico City.  I understand it's a business but I don't like the direction the NFL is headed.

 
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BroncoFreak_2K3 said:
They'll all be back come August/September 2017...
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The majority of the SD Chargers fans won't be.  The stadium might as well be in another state.  I imagine the Orange County Chargers fans will be fine with it.  I'm not sure how they will get LA fans though.  They will be behind the Lakers, Dodgers, UCLA, USC, Rams, Angels, Kings, Clippers, and Raiders in the LA sports fan pecking order.

 
Pipes said:
Terrible like someone electrocuted the Dodgers logo.  Guess that means no more powder blues. 
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It's going to sound like I'm being flippant, but trust me, I'm not being flippant:

I have an 8-year-old daughter who takes art classes, and honest to God, she could draw up a more professional-looking and creative logo than this one. In other words, it's completely fitting for this entire ####-show of a move.

 
And the powder blue unis were the single most recognizable element of the Chargers' franchise. Naturally, it's the first thing they decided to ditch. JFC, did the UCLA alumni mafia leave a horse's head in their bed, or something? 

:tfp:

 
jonessed said:
The majority of the SD Chargers fans won't be.  The stadium might as well be in another state.  I imagine the Orange County Chargers fans will be fine with it.  I'm not sure how they will get LA fans though.  They will be behind the Lakers, Dodgers, UCLA, USC, Rams, Angels, Kings, Clippers, and Raiders in the LA sports fan pecking order.
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Yeah as a native San Diegan I can tell you there is a deep rooted dislike for LA and all things associated with it by the people of SD.  I have countless friends who are life long Charger fans that will no longer follow or support the team after this move.    It's going to be real interesting how this all plays out.  

But as has been stated by multiple people here,  SoCal and LA in particular is a very transient city and the vast majority come from elsewhere in the country so they should have no issues selling tickets to games.   

 
dkp993 said:
Yeah as a native San Diegan I can tell you there is a deep rooted dislike for LA and all things associated with it by the people of SD.  I have countless friends who are life long Charger fans that will no longer follow or support the team after this move.    It's going to be real interesting how this all plays out.  

But as has been stated by multiple people here,  SoCal and LA in particular is a very transient city and the vast majority come from elsewhere in the country so they should have no issues selling tickets to games.   
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This could not be overstated. It is just not moving the team, which is gut-wrenching enough, it is moving it to the home of your "rival city," which causes the middle finger to be lifted even higher to Spanos.

It also blows me away that a man who is already filthy rich would be willing to move in/do business with an owner that he doesn't get along with and burn all bridges leading to your home town over more money. I understand that he stands to make a ton of cash moving, but at what point does peace of mind, community, and overall decency trump building up that bank account with money you will never get around to spending?

 
Fresh Prince of Bel Nor said:
This could not be overstated. It is just not moving the team, which is gut-wrenching enough, it is moving it to the home of your "rival city," which causes the middle finger to be lifted even higher to Spanos.

It also blows me away that a man who is already filthy rich would be willing to move in/do business with an owner that he doesn't get along with and burn all bridges leading to your home town over more money. I understand that he stands to make a ton of cash moving, but at what point does peace of mind, community, and overall decency trump building up that bank account with money you will never get around to spending?
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I believe people own businesses to make money. I only know of one franchise owner who ever cared more about the city and staying in the city than the idea of making money so they could put a better product on the court. He is no longer the owner and wasn't very successful. The new owners are putting a tremendous product on the court while spending a little money. Primed to make a lot more off their investment. #fearthedeer

I'll never fault a franchise owner from moving from one city to another because it is better for him financially. Sucks to see teams leave. But at the same time it's what's happened in the past and will continue to happen in the future. If the team fails to find a good fan base in LA, then he will lose money in the long run. 

If a team loses money does the community, peace of mind, or his decency pay the owner's bills? Sure he's rich but a bigger bank account just means bigger bills. He's taking 100% of the risk of owning a team, fielding a competitive product, and to make money. If the team is terrible, the community can go on supporting a different team. He's stuck with it and has to foot the bills

I do give those in San Diego huge credit for saying no to funding a play house for millionaires and billionaires. If there's such a demand for a stadium and if it's a smart investment, let the owner foot the bill or some other sucker tax payers who feel differently about giving their money away

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
How much is enough?

One dollar more.
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I'm not convinced moving to LA is going to come out to be more financially beneficial to him.  He can't afford to pay $650M to have the team flop in a stadium he doesn't own.  LA is a much more valuable market, but he still has to carve out a piece of it.

 
Pipes said:
It looks like Spanos just said "Go #### yourself San Diego"
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And he's well within his rights to do so.

I did not want our state to fund an arena for the Milwaukee Bucks. If the owners said go pound sand Milwaukee we are going to go to Chicago, well, I'd offer to pick up the tolls. I'm not anti-Bucks I just don't think tax payers should be financing buildings for private companies. The problem is these teams have no ownership of the building so if their lease is up they can just move, leaving the tax payers with a building they can't really use. But that's a debate for another thread I think. 

jonessed said:
I'm not convinced moving to LA is going to come out to be more financially beneficial to him.  He can't afford to pay $650M to have the team flop in a stadium he doesn't own.  LA is a much more valuable market, but he still has to carve out a piece of it.
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I would agree with this. It's not as brilliant as a move as people think it is. Spanos was under a deadline, SD was not going to give him a stadium so he went where he knew he had one. 

 
Dr. Brew said:
And he's well within his rights to do so.

I did not want our state to fund an arena for the Milwaukee Bucks. If the owners said go pound sand Milwaukee we are going to go to Chicago, well, I'd offer to pick up the tolls. I'm not anti-Bucks I just don't think tax payers should be financing buildings for private companies. The problem is these teams have no ownership of the building so if their lease is up they can just move, leaving the tax payers with a building they can't really use. But that's a debate for another thread I think. 

I would agree with this. It's not as brilliant as a move as people think it is. Spanos was under a deadline, SD was not going to give him a stadium so he went where he knew he had one. 
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Same move as Tom Gores - Detroit Pistons

 
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http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-chargers-to-la-plaschke-20170111-story.html

Chargers shouldn't look for a welcome wagon in L.A.

... just what we need, the return of a professional sports team with no buzz, no tradition, few local fans north of south Orange County, limited success, and an owner who just stole them away from a place where they were loved unconditionally for 56 years.

What was the NFL thinking? What are the Chargers thinking? I know what Spanos is thinking, that he is leaving behind those unwashed heathens who didn’t want their tax dollars to pay for a football stadium and sliding into Stan Kroenke’s Inglewood palace to ride piggyback on the Rams.

What a guy. What a joke.

The problem is not that Los Angeles must now be asked to support two NFL teams after 22 years of somehow surviving with none. We knew this would happen. This was the deal when the Rams returned last year. This is what the NFL has always wanted for Inglewood, so there was no avoiding it.

The problem is, the second team should have been the Raiders. The Southland is filled with Raiders fans everywhere. I have still never met a single Chargers fan.

The NFL will feel the full embarrassment of this move next fall when the Raiders play the Chargers here and the stadium will be painted in silver and black. At least that game will be sold out. Whether they initially play in the giant Coliseum or the tiny confines of StubHub Center, it’s hard to imagine the Chargers selling many tickets for any of their other games in the next two years before the Inglewood palace opens.

The Chargers aren’t even the second team in town behind the Rams. The Chargers aren’t even the third team of interest here behind the Rams and Raiders. The Chargers might not even be in the top-five favorite NFL teams in Los Angeles.

And now they’re going to play their home games here? It’s difficult to imagine many people really caring. Look at how many fans fled the Rams after they won only four games in their dismal return season here. Are those fans now going to get behind a team that has advanced to one Super Bowl since the Super Bowl began being played 51 years ago? The Chargers have won four playoff games in 22 years and, like, don’t we already have one of those teams?

The Rams have been awful, and are currently terrible, but because they played here for 48 years, they still feel like “our” Rams. 

The Chargers will brag about how they were born here in 1960, but, seriously, they stuck around only one year before fleeing south.

The Chargers are San Diego’s team. The Chargers are beloved there. The Chargers belong there. And in coming days, don’t listen to all these NFL experts moan that because of stadium issues, the Chargers couldn’t make it work there.

Sure they could. According to a recent Forbes ranking, the Spanos family is worth $2.1 billion. They could have made it work there if they weren’t insistent on using public money that the people of San Diego smartly refused to give them.

Think about this. The NFL gave Spanos an unprecedented $300 million to make a $1.2-billion stadium work, and he still couldn’t figure out a way to come up with the rest without picking the taxpayers’ pockets.

So he moves the Chargers to a foreign land where they will play among strangers so his team can play for one dollar a year — seriously — in a $2.6 -billion stadium that Kroenke is building with no public money.

It gets worse. Spanos will have to pay as much as a $650-million relocation fee to bring his team here. Think he could have used that money toward a new stadium in San Diego?

While the Rams returned home in triumph, Spanos will come to Los Angeles in shame. Remember how Art Modell gave 35 years of his life to owning the Cleveland Browns, then suddenly moved them to Baltimore? The once-beloved Modell spent the rest of his days as the scourge of Cleveland. The same will happen to Spanos in San Diego, his legacy sold up the freeway.

And who exactly will be coming up that freeway with him? Who cares? The Chargers have better players than the Rams, but they still generally stink. They don’t have a coach, they fired the last guy, whoever he was. They have a 35-year-old quarterback named Philip Rivers who’s a pretty good dude, but how much longer will he keep playing?

The team will be unfortunate, unwitting participants in this mess, and it’s hard to imagine them initially being received as much more than a novelty act.

The good news about the Chargers’ move is that nobody will have to spend much money on a welcome parade. It will be a short one. There will be one limo carrying Spanos and one Brink’s truck carrying his loot, both moving hurriedly up that freeway ahead of the muffled San Diego cries, all of Los Angeles peering briefly out the windows before closing their blinds.

 
Just read that the logo was for promotional purposes today and won't be used on uniforms etc. 

they should just bring back the 1960 retro logo. 

 
San Diego had the worst attendance in the NFL last year -- 62,379 fans per game.

That is more than double the number of fans who can squeeze into the StubHub center. I can't imagine that the Chargers could make a profit next year when they'll be losing $3 million per game every other week right off the top.

 
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DanFouts said:
Just read that the logo was for promotional purposes today and won't be used on uniforms etc. 
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LMAO - that's code for "we leaked the logo on Twitter to gauge the public's reaction and, since we're getting crucified for it, we're gonna pretend we never planned to use it in the first place."

 
Joe Summer said:
San Diego had the worst attendance in the NFL last year -- 62,379 fans per game.
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A dysfunctional team, with dysfunctional coaching, dysfunctional management and dysfunctional ownership playing in a totally dysfunctional stadium - I'm surprised they drew that much.

 
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Mike Smith pulls his name out of the coaching search........ Rumor is the team wants the incoming coach to keep Whisenhut and the Offensive staff.

Cheap ### owners......good luck finding a two year stooge.

embarrassing this franchise.....

 
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