Chargers put franchise tag on Vincent Jackson (1 Viewer)

[Gr00vus]

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The Chargers placed the “non-exclusive” franchise tag on Jackson, meaning he can negotiate with other teams. However, any team signing him would have to work out a deal with the Chargers. Ostensibly, a team losing its franchise player is entitled to two first-round draft picks, but that extremely steep price is negotiable....

“Vincent has been a valuable contributor to our team,” Chargers General Manager A.J. Smith said in a team-issued statement. “We want him to be a Charger.”

But not enough to sign him to a long term deal. Jackson has now entered the Sproles zone - which I guess means Sproles will now be leaving the Sproles zone and probably the Chargers.

 

[munchkin]

As the Patriots did with Mankins you have to protect your assets.

 

[matttyl]

So, what does this mean for us V Jax owners for 2011 (assuming there is football)? What kind of production can we expect? 65 for 1,200 and 9? I saw a stat before this year about V Jax' production per target, and he's off the chart. Now that they have franchised him, you'd have to expect his targets to go up, right?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

So, what does this mean for us V Jax owners for 2011 (assuming there is football)? What kind of production can we expect? 65 for 1,200 and 9? I saw a stat before this year about V Jax' production per target, and he's off the chart. Now that they have franchised him, you'd have to expect his targets to go up, right?

depends on if he and his agents want to sign the deal. I mean he turned down 3 million bucks last year and looked like a fool playing for like 200k. Who knows.

 

[Sabertooth]

from a Vjax dynasty owner. Can't think of a better situation for him.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

from a Vjax dynasty owner. Can't think of a better situation for him.

Sure you can... getting a long term deal.

 

[Gr00vus]

So, what does this mean for us V Jax owners for 2011 (assuming there is football)? What kind of production can we expect? 65 for 1,200 and 9? I saw a stat before this year about V Jax' production per target, and he's off the chart. Now that they have franchised him, you'd have to expect his targets to go up, right?

depends on if he and his agents want to sign the deal. I mean he turned down 3 million bucks last year and looked like a fool playing for like 200k. Who knows.

He'll play for $10M - not even he would be dumb enough to keep his agents around if they advise him not to.

 

[Sabertooth]

from a Vjax dynasty owner. Can't think of a better situation for him.

Sure you can... getting a long term deal.

Not with a crappy team. I meant situation in the "on the field" sense of the word.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

So, what does this mean for us V Jax owners for 2011 (assuming there is football)? What kind of production can we expect? 65 for 1,200 and 9? I saw a stat before this year about V Jax' production per target, and he's off the chart. Now that they have franchised him, you'd have to expect his targets to go up, right?

depends on if he and his agents want to sign the deal. I mean he turned down 3 million bucks last year and looked like a fool playing for like 200k. Who knows.

He won't give up $10 million.

 

[Polar Dude]

He won't give up $10 million.

I dunno. He seems like kind of an idiot.

 

[shader]

He's playing, end of story. No player is dumb enough to sit out two straight years.

 

[Sabertooth]

He won't give up $10 million.

I dunno. He seems like kind of an idiot.

touche

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

I could totally see Vjax and his agent saying "longer term deal or no deal"

You guys are giving him way too much credit.

As a bolt fan I hope he takes his 10m and has an awesome season

 

[ldizzle]

Wonder if they will try and shop him again? I dont think anyone will pay that price. But i guess it all depends on the cba

 

[todisco1]

I could totally see Vjax and his agent saying "longer term deal or no deal" You guys are giving him way too much credit.As a bolt fan I hope he takes his 10m and has an awesome season

I think he's already said he'll play if tagged.

 

[massraider]

He'll posture all summer, and sign at end of preseason. Unless he gets traded.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

So, what does this mean for us V Jax owners for 2011 (assuming there is football)? What kind of production can we expect? 65 for 1,200 and 9? I saw a stat before this year about V Jax' production per target, and he's off the chart. Now that they have franchised him, you'd have to expect his targets to go up, right?

depends on if he and his agents want to sign the deal. I mean he turned down 3 million bucks last year and looked like a fool playing for like 200k. Who knows.

If he's got a brain, he'll play. How many prime years is he willing to sit out and not get paid?There will be no more hold outs for Vincent Jackson.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

He'll posture all summer, and sign at end of preseason. Unless he gets traded.

Agreed..

 

[Bri]

there's a thread on this from a couple weeks ago. Way to tag the guy that was replaced well who only did about as well as Seyi.

 

[gebz306]

Lickin my chops

 

[cvnpoka]

So, what does this mean for us V Jax owners for 2011 (assuming there is football)? What kind of production can we expect? 65 for 1,200 and 9? I saw a stat before this year about V Jax' production per target, and he's off the chart. Now that they have franchised him, you'd have to expect his targets to go up, right?

depends on if he and his agents want to sign the deal. I mean he turned down 3 million bucks last year and looked like a fool playing for like 200k. Who knows.

you think if he blows his knee out in week 11, he gets 10m this year?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So, what does this mean for us V Jax owners for 2011 (assuming there is football)? What kind of production can we expect? 65 for 1,200 and 9? I saw a stat before this year about V Jax' production per target, and he's off the chart. Now that they have franchised him, you'd have to expect his targets to go up, right?

depends on if he and his agents want to sign the deal. I mean he turned down 3 million bucks last year and looked like a fool playing for like 200k. Who knows.

you think if he blows his knee out in week 11, he gets 10m this year?

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

So, what does this mean for us V Jax owners for 2011 (assuming there is football)? What kind of production can we expect? 65 for 1,200 and 9? I saw a stat before this year about V Jax' production per target, and he's off the chart. Now that they have franchised him, you'd have to expect his targets to go up, right?

depends on if he and his agents want to sign the deal. I mean he turned down 3 million bucks last year and looked like a fool playing for like 200k. Who knows.

you think if he blows his knee out in week 11, he gets 10m this year?

They did the same ploy with Ryan McNeil, McNeil came in earlier and then ya know what? BAM a new long term deal. We really dont know what Vjax will do. And as far as blowing out a knee if it was week 16 would it be any different?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So, what does this mean for us V Jax owners for 2011 (assuming there is football)? What kind of production can we expect? 65 for 1,200 and 9? I saw a stat before this year about V Jax' production per target, and he's off the chart. Now that they have franchised him, you'd have to expect his targets to go up, right?

depends on if he and his agents want to sign the deal. I mean he turned down 3 million bucks last year and looked like a fool playing for like 200k. Who knows.

you think if he blows his knee out in week 11, he gets 10m this year?

They did the same ploy with Ryan McNeil, McNeil came in earlier and then ya know what? BAM a new long term deal. We really dont know what Vjax will do. And as far as blowing out a knee if it was week 16 would it be any different?

The fewer games he played in 2010, the fewer opportunities to have a major injury..He made sure he played the minimum needed to get credit for the year...Haven't we been over all this?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

from a Vjax dynasty owner. Can't think of a better situation for him.

Well it does seem that there's a possibility that they franchised him hoping to get some picks back should he get a deal elsewhere. Since it wasn't an exclusive tag and given their history my guess is this tag is more of a "protect their asset" designation that a desire to keep him.

 

[Buckna]

from a Vjax dynasty owner. Can't think of a better situation for him.

Well it does seem that there's a possibility that they franchised him hoping to get some picks back should he get a deal elsewhere. Since it wasn't an exclusive tag and given their history my guess is this tag is more of a "protect their asset" designation that a desire to keep him.

I agree. Now we'll see if there are other teams out there that really wanted him. They will be able to negotiate a deal first and talk to the Chargers about pick compensation. if the price doesn't work out, he'll be a Charger for a whole season, I can think of worse places as a dynasty owner.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

from a Vjax dynasty owner. Can't think of a better situation for him.

Well it does seem that there's a possibility that they franchised him hoping to get some picks back should he get a deal elsewhere. Since it wasn't an exclusive tag and given their history my guess is this tag is more of a "protect their asset" designation that a desire to keep him.

I agree. Now we'll see if there are other teams out there that really wanted him. They will be able to negotiate a deal first and talk to the Chargers about pick compensation. if the price doesn't work out, he'll be a Charger for a whole season, I can think of worse places as a dynasty owner.

If it's anything like last season, Smith will be asking for to much.. I believe he'll be in Sandiego 1 more year.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

So, what does this mean for us V Jax owners for 2011 (assuming there is football)? What kind of production can we expect? 65 for 1,200 and 9? I saw a stat before this year about V Jax' production per target, and he's off the chart. Now that they have franchised him, you'd have to expect his targets to go up, right?

depends on if he and his agents want to sign the deal. I mean he turned down 3 million bucks last year and looked like a fool playing for like 200k. Who knows.

you think if he blows his knee out in week 11, he gets 10m this year?

Yes, he would. One of the benefits of a franchise tag (for the player) is that the salary is fully guaranteed.Big difference from last year (besides the huge money difference).I don't think VJax is happy about being franchised, but I don't think he'll sit either. Not for that kind of dough. All he was looking for last year was a fair offer - which he didn't get. This "offer" may not be ideal for him, but it would be hard to say it wasn't "fair".

 

[Carolina Hustler]

So, what does this mean for us V Jax owners for 2011 (assuming there is football)? What kind of production can we expect? 65 for 1,200 and 9? I saw a stat before this year about V Jax' production per target, and he's off the chart. Now that they have franchised him, you'd have to expect his targets to go up, right?

depends on if he and his agents want to sign the deal. I mean he turned down 3 million bucks last year and looked like a fool playing for like 200k. Who knows.

you think if he blows his knee out in week 11, he gets 10m this year?

Yes, he would. One of the benefits of a franchise tag (for the player) is that the salary is fully guaranteed.Big difference from last year (besides the huge money difference).I don't think VJax is happy about being franchised, but I don't think he'll sit either. Not for that kind of dough. All he was looking for last year was a fair offer - which he didn't get. This "offer" may not be ideal for him, but it would be hard to say it wasn't "fair".

He was talking about week 11 of last season... If Jackson had a significant injury last season, that would lessen the likelihood of him being tagged this season and in turn being guaranteed the 10mil, or seeing a huge contract from another team on the FA market....And that's the argument for why he didn't play for 3mil last season. He wanted to reduce the odds of having a big injury, bettering his chances of the bigger payday he's likely to receive now, the 10mil, or a nice new contract, or both...If he blew out a knee last season, he most likely wouldn't be looking at any significant money this year, and maybe not anytime in the future either.

 

[az_prof]

I read that VJax will play under the Tag, but there is still a chance that the Chargers use the designation to trade him. They wouldn't say that publicly of course, but it is one of the ways teams protect their interests and get something in return for a player who is going to leave in a year anyway. So, I don't think this is a done story.

 

[cvnpoka]

They did the same ploy with Ryan McNeil, McNeil came in earlier and then ya know what? BAM a new long term deal. We really dont know what Vjax will do. And as far as blowing out a knee if it was week 16 would it be any different?

uh, no it would proly be even worse. anyway, my point was that if he suffered a bad injury last season he would not have received a large payday this year. torn acl in week 16 would exasperate such a scenario.vjax gambled that mitigating the injury risk by playing less games would make up for the weak payday and the 3m left on the table. the most favorable outcome would be playing 0 games, becoming unrestricted and getting a long term market value salary. unfortunately the league and players association did not give him proper guidance until it was too late. i would imagine he would have taken the 3m for 12 games (or maybe 10, i cant remember the stipulations of the teams 2 game suspension) rather than play 6 games for 200k.

 

[Tau837]

What are the odds of an injury serious enough that it would damage a player's prospective contract value in the next season? 3%? 5%? I don't know what a reasonable answer should be... how many ACL tears, Achilles injuries, and the like were incurred by players this year, and what percentage is that overall of all players? Many more injuries occurred, but most would not affect a player's value in the following season. (ETA: this assumes a player has already established his value, but that is implied if he is willing to sit out most of a season and doesn't feel he has to be on the field to prove his value.)

If the notion is that VJax sat out solely to avoid injury, it is as if he paid $2.5M for a $10M+ insurance policy based on the level of risk indicated by that percentage, since he basically gave up about $2.5M in possible salary last year to sit out and avoid injury and currently stands to make $10M in 2011. (The numbers might be slightly off, but you get the point.)

Do those who think Jackson did the right thing think all players of comparable talent with one year remaining on their deals should do the same thing and sit out games?

If such an insurance policy could be bought, do you think it is worthwhile for all players of comparable talent to pay $2.5M for $10M+ in protection?

 

[massraider]

What are the odds of an injury serious enough that it would damage a player's prospective contract value in the next season? 3%? 5%? I don't know what a reasonable answer should be... how many ACL tears, Achilles injuries, and the like were incurred by players this year, and what percentage is that overall of all players? Many more injuries occurred, but most would not affect a player's value in the following season. (ETA: this assumes a player has already established his value, but that is implied if he is willing to sit out most of a season and doesn't feel he has to be on the field to prove his value.)If the notion is that VJax sat out solely to avoid injury, it is as if he paid $2.5M for a $10M+ insurance policy based on the level of risk indicated by that percentage, since he basically gave up about $2.5M in possible salary last year to sit out and avoid injury and currently stands to make $10M in 2011. (The numbers might be slightly off, but you get the point.)Do those who think Jackson did the right thing think all players of comparable talent with one year remaining on their deals should do the same thing and sit out games?If such an insurance policy could be bought, do you think it is worthwhile for all players of comparable talent to pay $2.5M for $10M+ in protection?

But he was not sitting out solely to avoid injury. That wasn't even his main reason. He didn't want to play for the tender. So he did the bare minimum to play as little as possible, and still get his accrued year. Also, he didn't have one year remaining on his deal. His contract had expired, and through rotten timing with the expiring CBA, he was a RFA, not a UFA. Jackson did as much as he could to be traded, hopefully to someone that would give him a long term deal. And he risked 2.5 million to do it. Was it worth it? Well, nothing changed, he played the minimum, and was still franchised. But nothing ventured, nothing gained, or more accurately, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. If he had been the good soldier, and come in, would the Chargers have NOT franchised him this year? Of course not. Would they have traded him? No. Doing what he did was the best chance of getting a long term deal (tho not a great chance). There is a precedent for unhappy players getting moved. The happy, quiet ones? not so much.

 

[Polar Dude]

I agree. Now we'll see if there are other teams out there that really wanted him. They will be able to negotiate a deal first and talk to the Chargers about pick compensation. if the price doesn't work out, he'll be a Charger for a whole season, I can think of worse places as a dynasty owner.

If it's anything like last season, Smith VJax and his agents will be asking for to much.. I believe he'll be in Sandiego 1 more year.

Fixed.

 

[5Rings]

What are the odds of an injury serious enough that it would damage a player's prospective contract value in the next season? 3%? 5%? I don't know what a reasonable answer should be... how many ACL tears, Achilles injuries, and the like were incurred by players this year, and what percentage is that overall of all players?

250 players were put on IR in 2009.350 players were put on IR in 2010.I'd say the chances of a player having a season ending injury are closer to 20%. Now whether this season ending injury affects teh players long term market value...I'm not sure how to measure or predict that.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I agree. Now we'll see if there are other teams out there that really wanted him. They will be able to negotiate a deal first and talk to the Chargers about pick compensation. if the price doesn't work out, he'll be a Charger for a whole season, I can think of worse places as a dynasty owner.

If it's anything like last season, Smith VJax and his agents will be asking for to much.. I believe he'll be in Sandiego 1 more year.

Fixed.

So you don't think Smith was asking for too much? Seriously?

 

[Tau837]

What are the odds of an injury serious enough that it would damage a player's prospective contract value in the next season? 3%? 5%? I don't know what a reasonable answer should be... how many ACL tears, Achilles injuries, and the like were incurred by players this year, and what percentage is that overall of all players? Many more injuries occurred, but most would not affect a player's value in the following season. (ETA: this assumes a player has already established his value, but that is implied if he is willing to sit out most of a season and doesn't feel he has to be on the field to prove his value.)

If the notion is that VJax sat out solely to avoid injury, it is as if he paid $2.5M for a $10M+ insurance policy based on the level of risk indicated by that percentage, since he basically gave up about $2.5M in possible salary last year to sit out and avoid injury and currently stands to make $10M in 2011. (The numbers might be slightly off, but you get the point.)

Do those who think Jackson did the right thing think all players of comparable talent with one year remaining on their deals should do the same thing and sit out games?

If such an insurance policy could be bought, do you think it is worthwhile for all players of comparable talent to pay $2.5M for $10M+ in protection?

But he was not sitting out solely to avoid injury. That wasn't even his main reason. He didn't want to play for the tender. So he did the bare minimum to play as little as possible, and still get his accrued year. Also, he didn't have one year remaining on his deal. His contract had expired, and through rotten timing with the expiring CBA, he was a RFA, not a UFA.

Jackson did as much as he could to be traded, hopefully to someone that would give him a long term deal. And he risked 2.5 million to do it. Was it worth it? Well, nothing changed, he played the minimum, and was still franchised.

But nothing ventured, nothing gained, or more accurately, the squeaky wheel gets the grease. If he had been the good soldier, and come in, would the Chargers have NOT franchised him this year? Of course not. Would they have traded him? No.

Doing what he did was the best chance of getting a long term deal (tho not a great chance). There is a precedent for unhappy players getting moved. The happy, quiet ones? not so much.

I agree with the bolded, but a lot of people justify what he did based solely on that rationale. And saying that he just "didn't want to play for the tender" is a bit over is not specific enough. It was either because he wanted to be paid more to play or wanted to avoid the risk of injury or wanted to stick it to the Chargers or some combination of those.

What he chose to do did not enable him to make more money. It did sort of stick it to the Chargers if you believe he could have been the difference in one or more of their losses and thus might have made the playoffs with him... but how did that accomplish anything for Jackson? And I already addressed the avoiding injury scenario... I think it is overstated and the low risk did not warrant passing on $2.5M.

Also, I know his contract expired. But there isn't much of a practical difference between not signing a tender in Jackson's situation and holding out because you have outplayed your contract.

IMO your analysis misses a scenario. Had he come in and been a good soldier in 2010, assuming he played well and didn't suffer serious injury, he might not need to be traded to sign a long term deal. The Chargers might have signed him to one before now (like McNeill) or might sign him to one this offseason. Regardless, he would have $2.5M more dollars right now and would still be franchised and set to make the same amount going forward, whether that is under the franchise tag in 2011 or a deal is ultimately worked out and he is traded.

 

[Tau837]

What are the odds of an injury serious enough that it would damage a player's prospective contract value in the next season? 3%? 5%? I don't know what a reasonable answer should be... how many ACL tears, Achilles injuries, and the like were incurred by players this year, and what percentage is that overall of all players?

250 players were put on IR in 2009.350 players were put on IR in 2010.I'd say the chances of a player having a season ending injury are closer to 20%. Now whether this season ending injury affects teh players long term market value...I'm not sure how to measure or predict that.

But that's the rub. If it wouldn't have affected his market value, what difference does it make? I believe the vast majority of those players put on IR will not be affected next season and beyond. I'd like to see that quantified somehow.And if your numbers are accurate, I think your 20% is too high. I think more than 1900 players were rostered this year. If we assume that to be a reasonable number to use for 2009 as well, then 600/3800 = 15.8%. And in addition to the future market value angle, this percentage also ignores that some number of players are "stashed" on IR and arguably didn't have injuries serious enough to truly warrant it.

 

[BoltBacker]

Haven't we been over all this?

Yes, we have. Does this sound familiar? It's only been a few months ago..."First of all, no one is predicting a work stoppage.. Everything I've heard says it's likely to be addressed.... There is potential for work stoppage, and I know it helps your argument, but it's not likely... I've not seen any credible source "predicting" a work stoppage... There is to much money to lose... And the situation is completely different then the previous work stoppage...

Second, You're dreaming if you think the Chargers will be able to franchise tag him"

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...4797&st=250

We're all listening closely for more pearls of wisdom.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I'm sure VJax wishes he had the $3m... no doubt about it. Especially if there's a long lockout he'll miss the cash.

On the other hand, if VJax is worth $10m next year it's pretty hard to argue he wasn't worth $10m this year. So in all likelihood AJ Smith pissed away a playoff appearance and a possible Super Bowl for no good reason except to show the whole world who had the bigger ****.

 

[Carolina Hustler]

Haven't we been over all this?

Yes, we have. Does this sound familiar? It's only been a few months ago..."First of all, no one is predicting a work stoppage.. Everything I've heard says it's likely to be addressed.... There is potential for work stoppage, and I know it helps your argument, but it's not likely... I've not seen any credible source "predicting" a work stoppage... There is to much money to lose... And the situation is completely different then the previous work stoppage...

Second, You're dreaming if you think the Chargers will be able to franchise tag him"

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...4797&st=250

We're all listening closely for more pearls of wisdom.

Are you here to add anything to the discussion?

 

[Carolina Hustler]

I'm sure VJax wishes he had the $3m... no doubt about it. Especially if there's a long lockout he'll miss the cash.

On the other hand, if VJax is worth $10m next year it's pretty hard to argue he wasn't worth $10m this year. So in all likelihood AJ Smith pissed away a playoff appearance and a possible Super Bowl for no good reason except to show the whole world who had the bigger ****.

 

[FantasyTrader]

I'm sure VJax wishes he had the $3m... no doubt about it. Especially if there's a long lockout he'll miss the cash.

On the other hand, if VJax is worth $10m next year it's pretty hard to argue he wasn't worth $10m this year. So in all likelihood AJ Smith pissed away a playoff appearance and a possible Super Bowl for no good reason except to show the whole world who had the bigger ****.

 

[slayer666]

The $10-12 million would represent approximately three to four times what he has made in his NFL career thus far. I would think he'd sign on the dotted line as soon as a new CBA is in place, and pray GM A.J. Smith can find an organization willing to give up draft picks and sign him to a long-term deal. If VJ sits out a large portion of another season, then dude is brain dead and his agent is an idiot.

 

[massraider]

I agree with the bolded, but a lot of people justify what he did based solely on that rationale. And saying that he just "didn't want to play for the tender" is a bit over is not specific enough. It was either because he wanted to be paid more to play or wanted to avoid the risk of injury or wanted to stick it to the Chargers or some combination of those.

That combination all goes back to the same thing: He was tendered as an RFA, which wouldn't have happened any other league year. And it made him unhappy. And really, people are talking about what a fool he was for walking away from 2.5 mill; well, take a look at what he will make as a franchise FA this year: 10 mill. I am sure as far as VJax is concerned, that should have been his one year salary last year. If he did want to 'stick it to the Chargers' I certainly know where he's coming from.

What he chose to do did not enable him to make more money. It did sort of stick it to the Chargers if you believe he could have been the difference in one or more of their losses and thus might have made the playoffs with him... but how did that accomplish anything for Jackson? And I already addressed the avoiding injury scenario... I think it is overstated and the low risk did not warrant passing on $2.5M.

I addressed this. It didn't make him any ore money, but was probably his best way of getting out of town, as will not reporting until the last minute next August. Probably won't matter, but is the best chance of going elsewhere.

Also, I know his contract expired. But there isn't much of a practical difference between not signing a tender in Jackson's situation and holding out because you have outplayed your contract.

There's not a practical difference perhaps, but there's a world of difference, and you certainly shouldn't lump him in with guys in the last year of their deals. Those guys signed contracts that are not yet fulfilled, VJax fulfilled his contract. It's not his responsibility to sign some bunk one year deal as soon as possible, in the hopes that AJ Smith tosses him some scraps from his plate. And one of his options as a RFA is to sit out most of the year. And one could argue that he isn't sticking it to the Chargers any more than AJ Smith is sticking it to him by offering him a below-market one year deal.

IMO your analysis misses a scenario. Had he come in and been a good soldier in 2010, assuming he played well and didn't suffer serious injury, he might not need to be traded to sign a long term deal. The Chargers might have signed him to one before now (like McNeill) or might sign him to one this offseason. Regardless, he would have $2.5M more dollars right now and would still be franchised and set to make the same amount going forward, whether that is under the franchise tag in 2011 or a deal is ultimately worked out and he is traded.

I would buy that scenario, but I have never heard of the Chargers offering him a deal. Not during the last year of his deal, not during last offseason or regular season, and not since the season ended. Very possible that I missed it, but if I am correct, and they never offered him one, why would I, or VJax, assume that one more season would get him a deal? He'd already proven himself as a player, I think.

 

[Prussian]

Goodbye Malcom Floyd.

I don't see Floyd getting re-signed unless some team ponies up two #1 picks or similar deal to trade\sign VJax.

 

[Tau837]

IMO your analysis misses a scenario. Had he come in and been a good soldier in 2010, assuming he played well and didn't suffer serious injury, he might not need to be traded to sign a long term deal. The Chargers might have signed him to one before now (like McNeill) or might sign him to one this offseason. Regardless, he would have $2.5M more dollars right now and would still be franchised and set to make the same amount going forward, whether that is under the franchise tag in 2011 or a deal is ultimately worked out and he is traded.

I would buy that scenario, but I have never heard of the Chargers offering him a deal. Not during the last year of his deal, not during last offseason or regular season, and not since the season ended. Very possible that I missed it, but if I am correct, and they never offered him one, why would I, or VJax, assume that one more season would get him a deal? He'd already proven himself as a player, I think.

Keep in mind, Jackson was arrested for a DUI on 1/6/09, immediately after the 2008 season. It was his second DUI. He and his legal team drew out the legal battle, and he ultimately pled guilty on 2/23/10. Meanwhile, he was also arrested for driving with a revoked license on his way to the Chargers' playoff game on 1/17/10.So this set the stage for him to enter into the 2010 offseason. IMO had he come in and been a good soldier in 2010, assuming he played well and didn't suffer serious injury, he could have eased any off field concerns the Chargers had, and they would have been very likely to at least try to sign him long term. Whether or not they could agree to terms, who knows.I still think it's possible they will try to sign him long term, but it would seem less likely given what happened in the 2010 season.

 

[Tau837]

Goodbye Malcom Floyd.I don't see Floyd getting re-signed unless some team ponies up two #1 picks or similar deal to trade\sign VJax.

I don't think that's true. It depends on what it takes to sign Floyd. My expectation is that he will be back.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

He won't give up $10 million.

You'd think not. But last year he gave up the per-game equivalent of about $6 million. So who knows?

 

[matttyl]

He won't give up $10 million.

You'd think not. But last year he gave up the per-game equivalent of about $6 million. So who knows?

I'm not sure what this means above...Also, I did some thinking about this, and if you assume that V Jax could have swung one game in San Diego's favor last year when he sat out (losses were by 7, 7, 8, 3, and 3 prior to his return).....AJ Smith made a horrible personnel move AS WELL AS financial move by not giving him a long term deal last year.What I mean is that V Jax was asking for 5 years for $50M going into the 2010 season. I'm not saying he should have gotten it, but it was at least a place to start negotiations. In the end, I think both sides could have agreed to 4 for just under $40M with $10-15M guaranteed (that would be about $10M more than Boldin had just signed for, which I feel is justified given his young age and history as a #1 rather than a #2 WR). They didn't come to that deal, Smith took the $3M off the table and went down to $500k or whatever. V Jax sat out.....San Diego missed the playoffs as well as didn't win the AFC west for the first time in 5 years. What would it had been worth to San Diego to win that division for the 5th straight year? $5M? $10M? How much would they have made HOSTING a playoff game against either Baltimore or the Jets? $10M in ticket sales and TV money? How much more if they had won that game?So, if you assume that V Jax would have swung one game (which I know is an assumption, but I don't think a big one), San Diego lost tons of money and opportunity last year, and will end up paying V Jax $11.3 for 2011 anyway (amount according to Jason La Canfora), and still don't have his rights for the 2012 season and beyond when they may franchise him again for about the same amount.It could have been FAR cheaper to just have given him a deal last year than to "allow" him to hold out.Just one man's thought who, admittedly sided with V Jax on this whole thing.