Charles Johnson - WR Grand Valley State (1 Viewer)

[Faust]

Minnesota Vikings WR Charles Johnson not sweating Wallace, Patterson hype

 

[Faust]

Vikings WR Charles Johnson poised for breakout year

There were the flashes of brilliance in 2014. There is the addition of fellow wideout Mike Wallace to divert attention. There is the rapidly improving ron-field rapport with quarterback Teddy Bridgewater.

It all adds up to the potential for a breakout year for Vikings wide receiver Charles Johnson. The combination of Johnson and Wallace could be a nightmare for opposing defenses this season.

Offensive coordinator Norv Turner, who coached Johnson in Cleveland in 2012, has tracked his development. And he likes what he has seen this offseason.

"He's stronger," Turner told the team website. "He was recovering from that knee surgery a year ago, and I don't know that he was ever 100 percent. I think he's 100 percent. He's got a great work ethic ... and he's a big, strong guy. He's a 218-pound receiver that can run. He's got everything you need to be a productive player in this league."

Johnson showed his potential late last year by catching 25 passes for 415 yards in the final seven games.

 

[loose circuits]

With no news until TC a lot of people will make predictions but I think Turner will tailor his offense to his players;

If you extrapolated that 6 week stretch of games to 16 this would be 107 targets 51 receptions 875 yards 5TD

you aren't hearing what everyone is saying- Johnson wasn't with the team during camp and coming off ACL injury. Why would you extrapolate those numbers? His production should be light years better

I don't think I made the first statement.

What are people saying that I have not read/heard?

Those were the last 6 games when Johnson played 90% or more of the snaps in each game. Not saying that is my projection for him, but I consider that to be closer to what I would expect from Johnson in 2015 than 75 catches 1160 yards and 8TD.

It would be very difficult for Charles Johnson to play more than he did during that stretch of games. So why should we expect his production to be light years better than that?

recovery time helps that knee get to 100% which means more explosion and accelerationMore time in the offense and chemistry with Teddy should also have benefits as well. Do I really need to go through this?

Not really because as far as I can tell I have looked at the situation from multiple different angles. You are not saying anything I do not already know.

So what kinds of numbers are you expecting light years of improvement to be?

Johnson reportedly has added weight and strength to 225lbs during the offseason.

i don't like making predictions with so many variables and no 2 players or situations are the same and if you could find similarities the sample size would be too small - we could research things like how Much improvement there is for ACLs after 2nd year. Look at how much young WRs improve 2nd or 3rd year in system (small school, system could be different when Norv changed teams, and pinpointing exactly his level of proficiency in the system with an obscure past would make this nearly impossible), and take his athletic profile but it would take a lot of time and still produce inconsistent results.If I had to guess without all of the needed information, I would say 75 1000 6 is what I would expect

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The offence stole the show at the second day of Vikings training camp. Despite Adrian Peterson running well and Teddy Bridgewater passing confidently, second-year wide receiver Charles Johnson stood out during the helmets-only practice. Johnson caught several passes thorough tight coverage and looked sharp running routes. This increased attention on route running was one aspect of Johnson’s game he said he focused on during the offseason.

[snip]

Johnson certainly had no problems focusing on the ball as he outran the whole Vikings defense for a highlight reel eighty-yard touchdown reception at the end of the afternoon practice.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

The offence stole the show at the second day of Vikings training camp. Despite Adrian Peterson running well and Teddy Bridgewater passing confidently, second-year wide receiver Charles Johnson stood out during the helmets-only practice. Johnson caught several passes thorough tight coverage and looked sharp running routes. This increased attention on route running was one aspect of Johnson’s game he said he focused on during the offseason.

[snip]

Johnson certainly had no problems focusing on the ball as he outran the whole Vikings defense for a highlight reel eighty-yard touchdown reception at the end of the afternoon practice.

I think WR Charles Johnson has a legit chance to emerge as break out player.

He is healthy, had a full offseason, and he is an athletic freak.

Here is a post from about a year ago that noted how rare of an athlete WR Charles Johnson is using the Nike created SPARQ score noting ALL athletes and then the adjusted WALDO score that the author of the study created, CJ scores' show he is one of the best athletes since 1999.

This may have gone unnoted by many but its well worth noting as a reminder for anyone who may be overlooking WR Charles Johnson's rare athletic ability.

Not a lot of hard info on Browns WR Charles Johnson at this point but saw this and for anyone interested in CJ or any owners or potential owners, I think you'll like this article that shows how truly rare athletically CJ is compared to WRs who have come into the league since 1999. The phrase 'athletic freak' is used and the metrics bare out that statement.

So far he hasn't done much and he's had to sit at least one practice due to inflammation in his surgically repaired knee (ACL) and this article gives all sorts of disclaimers about tape being the ultimate indicator of NFL success and it notes the outliners who didn't have great metric scores but it provides really good data where the author built his own a multiple regression formula and the results are very optimistic for any NFL WRs who rank as high as Charles Johnson does.

At the bottom their is a link to the chart showing the results.

http://cle.scout.com/story/1428316-a-metric-look-at-wr-charles-johnson?s=149#/story/1428316-a-metric-look-at-wr-charles-johnson?s=149

Jul 31, 2014 | 05:45 pm

A Metric Look at WR Charles Johnson

Mike Krupka

OBR Contributing Writer

... I have been working with James Cobern and Ryan Riddle, among others, to better understand measurable analytics as it pertains to scouting football players by position, height, and weight.

... there is a large range of athletic variance among NFL position groups. By holding height constant, we are able to arrange each position group more fittingly and compare athletes not just by their 40 time or their vertical, but by how dynamic those measurables really are based on mass. In other words, this tool helps us see how explosive or fast an athlete truly is for his mass. If a 5’10” 180lb man leaps 45”, most would say “that’s amazing” but by the same token if a 6’5” 245lb man leaps 45”, not only is that amazing but it’s truly a more dynamic display of athleticism when considering the variance in each player’s mass.

I can’t claim that these metrics or methods are statistically conclusive but I am working on a multiple regression formula for player data to see what relationships truly exist. That being said, I personally feel there will be correlations and patterns between athleticism and success in the NFL.

... using metric tools like this is an important piece of the puzzle. The combine is important. Numbers are important. In fact, the NFL uses similar metric tools and equations to measure athletic ability. Nike also collects data and tracks these same measureables very closely. Each year, NIKE evaluates thousands of athletes across the country from various age ranges, heights and weights all with the goal to track and gather data around this same idea. Uncovering the athletes. NIKE uses a formula known as SPARQ which is a much more refined statistical formula that provides data with better fit and statistical confidence.

The Data

To better understand why I might have something beneficial or relevant to offer on this topic, it’s important to note that with the help of James I have compiled a database of measureable data, heights, weighs, schools, etc., for every player who completed the combine events from 1999 to the present – this includes 40, vertical, short shuttle, 3-cone, broad jump, and bench press. Plugging this data into my formulas allows me to compare any particular athlete to any other athlete or group of athletes in terms of where they rank on spectrum of athleticism.

... it’s immediately clear from my data below – that this kid is an athletic freak!

In fact, you can see below where he ranks among the group of receivers I selected. Each receiver is within his height grouping (6’2” < ) and when comparing all athletes in this group since 1999 you can see that Johnson’s “scores” rank him in the top 9 in the broad jump; top 17 in the 40; and top 23 in the vertical jump. Then, when putting his numbers into an adjusted Waldo formula for both speed (SPEED) and explosiveness (EXP) based on height/weight ratios, Johnson ranks in the top 17 in both EXP and DYS. I won’t fully reveal the adjustments that were made, but you can reference the original formula above.

I didn’t group or rank the players according to their DET or DAS because I haven’t been able to apply those formulas to my database yet. But what I did do was make bold any metric, including DET and DAS, that ranked better than Charles Johnson’s respective metric. This was simply for comparison sake among this specific sample....

DET = vert + bench + broad jump inches

DAS = (40 + 3 cone + short shuttle) / 3

The next layer to this was that I wanted to look at Sammy Watkins because I wanted to compare where his athleticism ranked on the spectrum. The narrative in Cleveland and across the league is that the Browns lost out on one of the most dynamic and explosive players in the 2014 NFL Draft. .

... it’s interesting to note how non-explosive and non-dynamic Sammy Watkins is for his height when looking at the chart above. I went a step further and layered the ranking, adding Watkins within his height group as well as within the bigger height group – again just for comparison sake. In the end you can see that Watkins is fast for his speed - ranking 16th in the SPEED category – but across the board he clearly isn’t as explosive or dynamic as most claim.

... Charles Johnson is one of the most explosive and dynamic athletes to play in the NFL since 1999 –

at this point, nobody really knows that he can do on the field. Last year was Johnson’s rookie season and the Browns were able to “steal” him away from Green Bay’s practice squad but were never able to see him play. That’s because during his physical with the team last fall he discovered that he had a torn ACL and was shut down for the season. As a rookie in Green Bay last year, and given their depth at WR, Johnson never really got a true look at a roster spot. The opportunity in Cleveland is his first legitimate shot at making a roster and having a chance to contribute – and in a big way.

Recently, Mike Pettine had this to say about Johnson:

"He's explosive," coach Mike Pettine said. "He's a guy that is deceptively fast. He doesn't look like he's covering a lot of ground but he is. I think his catch radius is bigger than most. He's got long arms and he's got (big) hands. He's a guy that we hope can emerge from this as a guy that can help us."

And just this week Lane Adkins shared that the Browns have been very impressed with Charles Johnson’s play on the field and were pleased with all his work in the off season to ensure he entered into camp 100% healthy and ready to compete. The word is that he’s been catching everything thrown his way; he’s been going up, battling and winning jump balls; he’s been running sharp, crisp routes; showing good hands and concentration; and similar to Josh Gordon, those in Berea have described his speed and explosiveness as “effortless”. If this chatter is legit and Johnson can continue to build upon what he has demonstrated so far in training camp, this young man could develop into the dynamic, explosive weapon the Cleveland Browns need.

... LINK to graph of where WR Charles Johnson ranks with other NFL WRs who had similiar metrics noted in the formula:

http://media.scout.com/media/image/135/1356933.jpg

That article is from a year ago when CJ was an unknown before he got signed by the Vikings and before he got a shot to play where he was only just starting to scratch the surface of his potential.

I think WR Charles Johnson is the biggest wide receiver fantasy sleeper of 2015 because his of his upside. He is scheduled to start, his QB is no longer a rookie, and it seems that he is not getting nearly the sort of buzz that others without his upside are getting. I like him.

 

[saintfool]

The offence stole the show at the second day of Vikings training camp. Despite Adrian Peterson running well and Teddy Bridgewater passing confidently, second-year wide receiver Charles Johnson stood out during the helmets-only practice. Johnson caught several passes thorough tight coverage and looked sharp running routes. This increased attention on route running was one aspect of Johnson’s game he said he focused on during the offseason.

[snip]

Johnson certainly had no problems focusing on the ball as he outran the whole Vikings defense for a highlight reel eighty-yard touchdown reception at the end of the afternoon practice.

this

 

[Ilov80s]

Plus as Waldman wrote, he has another very capable WR with him which correlates well with high end WR production. I know there is more to it, but it is a nice mark in his favor.

 

[Slapdash]

Been holding this guy for a while....hopefully this is the year.

 

[lod01]

"He's explosive," coach Mike Pettine said. "He's a guy that is deceptively fast. He doesn't look like he's covering a lot of ground but he is. I think his catch radius is bigger than most. He's got long arms and he's got (big) hands. He's a guy that we hope can emerge from this as a guy that can help us."

'He's on our practice squad because we have studs like Taylor Gabriel, Andrew Hawkins and some guy named Benjamin. Hey, where'd he go?????' Dumbasses. Of course, I'd much rather have him in Minnesota with Teddy B. than Cleveland.

 

[Steed]

@caplannfl: Notes and observations from #Vikings camp in AM, but I can tell you that WR Charles Johnson is the real deal.

 

[Zyphros]

@caplannfl: Notes and observations from #Vikings camp in AM, but I can tell you that WR Charles Johnson is the real deal.

Ugh, can't help but read that in his condescending annoying voice... Still love some Charles Johnson though

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld take:

After attending the start of Vikings camp, ESPN's Adam Caplan came away convinced Charles Johnson is "the real deal."

Coming off a year where he earned the title of "far and away our best receiver" via OC Norv Turner, Johnson put in serious offseason time, bulking up to a Michael Irvinian 6-foot-2, 225 while training with "Footwork King" Rischad Whitfield, who also mentors known route technicians Antonio Brown and DeAndre Hopkins. Johnson remains an upside WR3 target at his eighth-round ADP.

Source: Adam Caplan on Twitter

 

[Bracie Smathers]

"He's explosive," coach Mike Pettine said. "He's a guy that is deceptively fast. He doesn't look like he's covering a lot of ground but he is. I think his catch radius is bigger than most. He's got long arms and he's got (big) hands. He's a guy that we hope can emerge from this as a guy that can help us."

'He's on our practice squad because we have studs like Taylor Gabriel, Andrew Hawkins and some guy named Benjamin. Hey, where'd he go?????' Dumbasses. Of course, I'd much rather have him in Minnesota with Teddy B. than Cleveland.

Zac Jackson ‏@AkronJackson 15h15 hours ago

Zac Jackson retweeted Adam Caplan

Browns cut him last year not because they're the Browns but because he STUNK in camp. Then took off, of course. https://twitter.com/caplannfl/status/626570398059130880 …

Zac Jackson added,

Adam Caplan @caplannfl Notes and observations from #Vikings camp in AM, but I can tell you that WR Charles Johnson is the real deal.

 

[Faust]

Player profiles: Charles Johnson set up to build on his late-2014 surge

http://www.si.com/fantasy/2015/07/27/fantasy-football-charles-johnson-minnesota-vikings-player-profile

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Player profiles: Charles Johnson set up to build on his late-2014 surge

http://www.si.com/fantasy/2015/07/27/fantasy-football-charles-johnson-minnesota-vikings-player-profile

Player profiles: Charles Johnson set up to build on his late-2014 surge

http://www.si.com/fantasy/2015/07/27/fantasy-football-charles-johnson-minnesota-vikings-player-profile

From the above article it mentions that CJ was still recovering from injury when the Vikes signed him and that could explain why he didn't look very good in Browns TC last year.

http://www.si.com/fantasy/2015/07/27/fantasy-football-charles-johnson-minnesota-vikings-player-profile

...Those numbers may not jump off the page, but consider that Johnson was still recovering from knee surgery for the balance of last season and may have played the entire year at less than full strength. It may have been his second season on an NFL roster, but the 12 games he played with the Vikings last season represent the first regular season action of his career

Brendan Leister @BrendanLeister HYPERLINK "/BrendanLeister/status/626818351021600769"2h2 hours ago Don't know. Might not have been. Props to Norv Turner & MIN for picking him up. RT @Ryan_Boser: Was he fully recovered yet at that point?

　

Brendan Leister @BrendanLeister HYPERLINK "/BrendanLeister/status/626817685335199746"2h2 hours ago Johnson played like a guy that should be cut imo. Didn't look as athletic as his testing numbers indicated. Makes no sense that he's good.

Brendan Leister @BrendanLeister HYPERLINK "/BrendanLeister/status/626817387048882176"2h2 hours ago I believe the Charles Johnson hype coming out of MIN but it makes no sense to me after what he showed in CLE last preseason.

 

[Fantasysports1]

This guy was taken early 6th in a 12 team PPR NFFC

 

[lod01]

Player profiles: Charles Johnson set up to build on his late-2014 surge

http://www.si.com/fantasy/2015/07/27/fantasy-football-charles-johnson-minnesota-vikings-player-profile

Player profiles: Charles Johnson set up to build on his late-2014 surge

http://www.si.com/fantasy/2015/07/27/fantasy-football-charles-johnson-minnesota-vikings-player-profile

From the above article it mentions that CJ was still recovering from injury when the Vikes signed him and that could explain why he didn't look very good in Browns TC last year.

http://www.si.com/fantasy/2015/07/27/fantasy-football-charles-johnson-minnesota-vikings-player-profile

...Those numbers may not jump off the page, but consider that Johnson was still recovering from knee surgery for the balance of last season and may have played the entire year at less than full strength. It may have been his second season on an NFL roster, but the 12 games he played with the Vikings last season represent the first regular season action of his career

Brendan Leister @BrendanLeister HYPERLINK "/BrendanLeister/status/626818351021600769"2h2 hours ago Don't know. Might not have been. Props to Norv Turner & MIN for picking him up. RT @Ryan_Boser: Was he fully recovered yet at that point?

　

Really doesn't matter as far as where he was in his rehab. The bottom line is that Norv Turner took the Browns FO to school. He had the same info they did and he grabbed him. They failed.

 

[Sabertooth]

Like the kid.

 

[Fantasysports1]

Agholor>Bryant>Charles Johnson in PPR?

Agholor was supposed to step in and get 100+ targets but there is some uncertainty with his role and usage. Also Nelson is a rookie so he might not play well for a while. Bryant might only be a part time player which really limits his value if that is the case. Charles Johnson has big upside as the X WR with great physical talent but there could be concerns with his role as Mike Wallace and Patterson could get more usage than expected. Also the team is not really a throwing team with AP and do you trust Bridgewater to deliver the yards and TDs?

 

[Zyphros]

Agholor>Bryant>Charles Johnson in PPR?

Agholor was supposed to step in and get 100+ targets but there is some uncertainty with his role and usage. Also Nelson is a rookie so he might not play well for a while. Bryant might only be a part time player which really limits his value if that is the case. Charles Johnson has big upside as the X WR with great physical talent but there could be concerns with his role as Mike Wallace and Patterson could get more usage than expected. Also the team is not really a throwing team with AP and do you trust Bridgewater to deliver the yards and TDs?

In terms of how much trust I have in each one I'd say Agholor, Charles Johnson, Martavis. Once Agholor takes the field in pre-season he's just too good and it will be hard for the coaches to not play him. Charles Johnson on the other hand has been raved about so far in the past months and I can't see Bridgewater trusting Wallace very much (cause he's a punk), so Charles it is that gets more looks. And I'm of the belief that Wheaton is better than what everyone gives him no credit for so I see him carving out a nice role making Bryant the #3 option at best (tied with Wheaton. AB and Bell at #1 and #2)

 

[Fantasysports1]

Pretty tough getting him as your WR 4 unless you go WR heavy and can get him in the 7th. I just prefer to take him over the aging WRs. I think taking him over a VJ is a bit of a reach but I can see why.

 

[Fantasysports1]

4 out of 5 targets and one TD.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

He looked smooth and controlled for a big guy on that TD. Possible a huge breakout is coming.

 

[mr roboto]

Wallace let a pass bounce off his hands tonight that was a perfectly thrown crossing route.

 

[Kenny Powers]

I seem to be finding this guy on a lot of my teams. Love the upside and Teddy looks poised for a nice year.

 

[oddsbodkins]

Grabbing this guy as a WR4 in all my leagues as he has an outside shot at becoming a high WR3/low WR2 by years end.

 

[lod01]

Wallace let a pass bounce off his hands tonight that was a perfectly thrown crossing route.

That's one of the things he's good at.

 

[Fantasysports1]

Grabbing this guy as a WR4 in all my leagues as he has an outside shot at becoming a high WR3/low WR2 by years end.

As soon as guys like Agholor are off the board, people are thinking about Charles Johnson. He gets taken in the 6th round of 12 team PPR, potentially earlier if people are just taking WRs.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Well, he's looking like my WR2 from my draft last night where my WRs are my weakness. At this point it looks like he's being drafted as a high WR3, so I guess I cant complain too much with him as a WR2. Im confident that Bridgewater is in line for a good year (I actually have him ranked as QB12).

It should be interesting to see the target distribution between CJ and Wallace this year, especially who is running more deep routes and getting more deep targets.

 

[Sabertooth]

Jarius wright was right there with Johnson last season, but no love at all.

 

[wbaaoz]

At this point -- how confident are we in Johnson's predicted production as compared to people like Stevie Johnson, Eddie Royal or maybe a James Jones?

 

[Fantasysports1]

At this point -- how confident are we in Johnson's predicted production as compared to people like Stevie Johnson, Eddie Royal or maybe a James Jones?

Stevie could end up being a steal of the draft where he was going if he is the true 2nd option or 1B to Keenan.

Charles is drafted a lot earlier than Stevie and Eddie Royal. You are either drafting him as a WR 3 or a WR 4 normally. James Jones could push for WR 3 value but he was off the radar before signing.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Teddy went at Charles right at the beginning, down the sideline, near the end zone, very good coverage, Charles couldn't haul it in.... it was the kind of play that a good QB (or OC) would go right back to the WR to get him the score or a completion. But no, they did not even look Charles' way for a long, long time.

It looked to be all Wallace. That offense was all screwed up last night, it was painful to watch.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Well I think SF's defense isnt as bad as everyone expected this year after all their losses from last year (Willis, Justin Smith, Borland, etc.). So there's that. Im going to give CJ 4 weeks before Id consider dropping him. If it appears at that time he's the clear #2 WR behind Wallace, and Rudolph is more productive than him on a weekly basis, that's a big enough sample size for me to cut bait. They get DET, SD & DEN the next 3 weeks, but an easy schedule but at least MIN should be productive vs DET and SD. After looking at the schedule, my 4 week plan might be a 3 week plan instead as DEN is a very tough matchup.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Might drop this bum

 

[lod01]

Might drop this bum

Bridgewater doesn't even look his way very much. Definitely has found his spot at the end of my bench.

 

[mr roboto]

It's kind of like Teddy and the passing offense have regressed to the dink and dunk he relied on during the first half of last year. Which makes sense given how terrible the pass blocking has been.

TB went vertical the second half of last year. I haven't seen that yet but it's only been 2 weeks. Week 1 was a dumpster fire and week 2 was the AP show at home.

I still believe CJ is the best WR on the team.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Sure happy I sat Allen Robinson for him.

 

[SeanTaylor21]

I don't blame you for cutting bait in redraft. I'm honestly surprised at how little TB is looking his way.

 

[Sweetness_34]

Good job guys falling for the hype. Suckas like you guys are the reason I enjoy drafting Larry Fitzgerald 2 rounds after you waste your pick on Charles freaking Johnson.....keep believing hype with no data that shows he is any good.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Good job guys falling for the hype. Suckas like you guys are the reason I enjoy drafting Larry Fitzgerald 2 rounds after you waste your pick on Charles freaking Johnson.....keep believing hype with no data that shows he is any good.

way to chest thump after a 3td game for larry fitz. Larry Ftiz hasn't had a 1k receiving season in 4 years.

Odd statements to make.

 

[Manster]

Good job guys falling for the hype. Suckas like you guys are the reason I enjoy drafting Larry Fitzgerald 2 rounds after you waste your pick on Charles freaking Johnson.....keep believing hype with no data that shows he is any good.

Thanks for sharing how much a FF God u are.....I'm sure u r dominating like 29 leagues....maybe some day....

 

[FF Ninja]

Good job guys falling for the hype. Suckas like you guys are the reason I enjoy drafting Larry Fitzgerald 2 rounds after you waste your pick on Charles freaking Johnson.....keep believing hype with no data that shows he is any good.

Thanks for sharing how much a FF God u are.....I'm sure u r dominating like 29 leagues....maybe some day....

IIRC, he brags that he's in guppy leagues and then finishes in the middle of the pack. So he's really just looking hard for a W these days, I guess.

 

[DMXATF23]

Good job guys falling for the hype. Suckas like you guys are the reason I enjoy drafting Larry Fitzgerald 2 rounds after you waste your pick on Charles freaking Johnson.....keep believing hype with no data that shows he is any good.

Thanks for sharing how much a FF God u are.....I'm sure u r dominating like 29 leagues....maybe some day....

IIRC, he brags that he's in guppy leagues and then finishes in the middle of the pack. So he's really just looking hard for a W these days, I guess.

I have both Fitzy and CJ...would like CJ to show up...hopefully he and Teddy B can get on the same page they were towards the end of last season.

 

[FF Ninja]

Bridgewater only attempted 18 passes. Hard for anyone to get very many targets when that happens.

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Bridgewater is still getting his legs underneath him this year. Johnson is still a hold

 

[Hankmoody]

Good job guys falling for the hype. Suckas like you guys are the reason I enjoy drafting Larry Fitzgerald 2 rounds after you waste your pick on Charles freaking Johnson.....keep believing hype with no data that shows he is any good.

How's your guppy league treating you?

 

[timbrah_ho]

Dropping him for a waiver claim on Hankerson this week in my 10 team redraft league. It's a league full of MN fans so I was hoping he'd hit and have enhanced trade value down the line but I don't have a lot of hope at this stage

 

[cr8f]

Good job guys falling for the hype. Suckas like you guys are the reason I enjoy drafting Larry Fitzgerald 2 rounds after you waste your pick on Charles freaking Johnson.....keep believing hype with no data that shows he is any good.

And people say the jerks are all gone from the shark pool.

 

[BIG MAC]

Dropped in my league. anyone been watching games? any hope for a turnaround here?

so much hype faded so quickly. i saw glimpses last year. haven't seen a vikings game this year.