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Chester Taylor / Bryant Mckinnie to Bucs? (1 Viewer)

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Bucs rumored to bee talking trade with Vikings

Posted By Roy Cummings at Oct 02, 2007 at 12:13 PM

Updated Oct 02, 2007 at 12:16 PM

TAMPA – We’ll say this about Bucs GM Bruce Allen: he’s out there trying. That’s word anyway.

Talk in Minnesota this morning is that Allen has been trying to swing a deal with the Vikings that would bring tackle Bryant McKinnie and running back Chester Taylor to Tampa Bay.

Only time will tell if such a deal goes down, but that would be one heck of deal. McKinnie is the Vikings starting left tackle and Taylor is coming off a career-best 1,200-yard rushing season.

Taylor missed a couple of games because of a hip injury he suffered in the season opener but he started the game last week against Green Bay and had eight carries for 40 yards.

The Vikings could probably afford to let Taylor go, what with Adrian Peterson getting most of the work at tailback. Still, this deal seems a little far-fetched.

McKinnie and Taylor are not old players nearing the end of their careers. They’re still relatively young and both should just now be entering the prime of their careers.

Not only that, but the Vikings are not out of the running in an NFC North race that is currently as upside down as NFC South race is. Though they’re 1-3, they still have a chance to fight their way to the top.

Everything depends, though, on what the Bucs are willing to part with. A deal at this time of year would almost certainly include an exchange of players, but the Bucs may also be willing to part with a draft pick.

We’re not suggesting that pick would be a first- or second-rounder, but the Bucs no doubt feel they have a chance at making a legitimate playoff run this year, so they may be willing to pay a lot.

Something else the Bucs have to factor into the equation is the future of RB Cadillac Williams. Torn patellar tendons are difficult to come back from. Some prove impossible to come back from.

If Williams injury is the latter sort, the Bucs will have to start anew their search for a feature back. Taylor may not be the best answer but a team could do a lot worse.

A good pass catcher and runner, he’s a good fit in a West Coast type of scheme. And like we said before, he’s still young. Some scouts believe he’s got starter potential and only needs a chance to play regularly.

As for McKinnie, he’s a solid starter. Many believe he could become an elite-level player with better coaching and more focus on the game. He could even prove to be an upgrade over Luke Petitgout.

Weighing all of that, the feeling here is that this deal never goes down. It may be just a bad rumor anyway, but you can bet Allen is out there slugging away, trying to do something to offset the loss of Williams and Petitgout.

 
I'd have to believe there would be huge cap problems trading McKinnie so shortly after redoing his contract. Wouldn't the entire bonus count toward this year's cap?

 
Like I said earlier in the Pitt/EG thread...GruAllen don't have much confidence in that RBBC solution.

 
jpeace121 said:
Seems like the Vikes could use one of the Bucs QBs, IMHO.
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No, they couldn't. What the Vikes need is to ride out Jackson and determine if he's the guy, and move on if he isn't by obtaining a legit potential franchise guy in the draft next year. Adding Simms or some other guy who was beaten out by Garcia does nothing for me. I'd hardly even consider it a bandaid.
 
As a Peterson and Taylor owner, I would go bananas if something went down. I don't see the left tackle being a part of the deal. However, I could see Taylor to the Bucs for a 2nd or 3rd round pick. No reason why Mewelde Moore can't back up Peterson. It would be a win-win for both clubs. I say the odds are less than 20% but we can all dream, no?

 
BigJim® said:
I'd have to believe there would be huge cap problems trading McKinnie so shortly after redoing his contract. Wouldn't the entire bonus count toward this year's cap?
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Not sure where the Bus are at cap level. There is talk that next years Cap level is going to jump WAY up. A lot of owners are looking at renewing contracts this year, to use up remaining cap levels, so they will be able to go after whoever they want in FA/trades next year IF the Cap level goes up as much as rumored.
 
Still, this deal seems a little far-fetched.
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No, duh. McKinnie just signed a $48M contract with like a 17.5M bonus just a year ago, the cap ramifications of trading him would be enormous. This sounds like something some fan on a messageboard would cook up. :loco:
 
Buckna said:
Still, this deal seems a little far-fetched.
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No, duh. McKinnie just signed a $48M contract with like a 17.5M bonus just a year ago, the cap ramifications of trading him would be enormous. This sounds like something some fan on a messageboard would cook up. :thumbup:
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:loco: Never going to happen.
 
BigJim® said:
I'd have to believe there would be huge cap problems trading McKinnie so shortly after redoing his contract. Wouldn't the entire bonus count toward this year's cap?
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Anyone know the answer to this? If they cut him the $$$ is counted against the cap immediately, but if they trade him I thought the other team just assumed the remainder of the financial obligations of the contract....
 
snogger said:
Not sure where the Bus are at cap level. There is talk that next years Cap level is going to jump WAY up.
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Why would the Bucs' cap matter? As I understand, the prior bonus would only count toward the Viking cap, and the Bucs could no doubt easily fit his base salary into their cap.
 
What Gruden doesn't have faith in the Graham/Pittman tandem. I thought both, especially Graham did will in Caddy's absence.

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gump said:
Like I said earlier in the Pitt/EG thread...GruAllen don't have much confidence in that RBBC solution.
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That's what seems to stand out most in this whole story. If team brass really thought that one or both of these guys, plus Darby, could be a full-time back, they wouldn't be looking elsewhere for more viable alternatives (and not just depth).
 
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It could simply be Tampa's way of getting Taylor:

Ask for Taylor and McKinnie. When the Vikings balk - or come back demanding way too much (which they should) - Tampa simply "settles" for just C. Taylor for an early to mid-round draft pick.

Result: Tampa GM looks like he's trying to do something and does get Taylor. Minny gets something solid for Taylor (whom they really don't "need"). It seems that Taylor to Tampa would be "Win/Win" situation.

 
Buckna said:
Still, this deal seems a little far-fetched.
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No, duh. McKinnie just signed a $48M contract with like a 17.5M bonus just a year ago, the cap ramifications of trading him would be enormous. This sounds like something some fan on a messageboard would cook up. :confused:
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I had a similiar thought that this was too obvious...a solid unspectacular RB and OT when a RB and OL get hurt...Seldom trades happen this cleanly
 
As a Bucs fan I wouldn't be upset if we traded away our 2008 1st for both of those guys :X I assume Taylor would be worth about a 3rd, not sure what the price would be on the tackle?

 
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If I could get a first round pick back, I couldn't do this deal fast enough. McKinnie = The suck. Taylor is a backup/occasional starter.

 
PahtyTom said:
Gopher State said:
Taylor for a #3 pick seems right, we keep Mckinnie (I hope), and pass on TB QB's
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3rd rounder sounds high to me, I would think 4th or 5th. But then again TB seems desparate to upgrade.
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:thumbup: McGahee traded for a couple thirds...Thomas Jones for a swap of second roundersChester is worth about a 5th at best. The guy just cant carry the load as a feature back all season and Im not sold that peterson could either...This trade does not make sense at all... :excited: Why not go after Micheal Turner instead?
 
What about adding Plummer in the equation to Minn?

I thought the big deal with him was that he wanted a chance to start.........not just "compete" vs Garcia.

Of course, Minn would have to know ahead of time his commitment before any thing progressed.

 
I've been looking all over trying to get more info on this...I've found as many rumors out on the net that it is MMoore they are looking at trading for. Could this all be internet rumor....?

I don't get why they aren't satisfied with Pittman/Graham, but by the amount of rumors about acquiring a starting RB, one or some of them have to be true.

Is it possible a deal could go down in a reasonable time frame...?

 
SO we have the Bucs Trading Chris Simms and Jake Plummer to the Vikings for their starting RB and Left Tackle if I read the posts correctly?

Are we sure this didn't come from The Onion??

 
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OU#1 said:
Wouldn't Chili want to trade ADP instead of CT? I mean CT is the starter after all...
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Bingo.It would give AD the chance to prove he's a good teammate and willing do do what it takes for the team to win.
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VIKES-BUCS TRADE RUMOR MAKES SENSE FOR ONLY ONE TEAM

Roy Cummings of the Tampa Tribune reports that the Vikings and the Buccaneers are rumored to be involved in trade talks that would send running back Chester Taylor and left tackle Bryant McKinnie to Tampa.

As the report/rumor goes, Bucs G.M. Bruce Allen is trying to make it happen. But we can't imagine the Vikes biting on this one.

If Taylor goes, who backs up Adrian Peterson? More importantly, who replaces "All Day" if his patellar tendon goes bye bye?

If McKinnie moves, who plays left tackle? Ryan Cook? Chase Johnson?

As Sunday night's game between the Eagles and Giants proved, it's critical to have a left tackle who has, at a minimum, the ability to put a hand on the right defensive end. (And, by the way, the Vikes eventually play the Giants.) Also, McKinnie was signed to a long-term deal in 2006. Though trading him now wouldn't create any additional cap burden for 2007, a lot of that $13 million carryover from the Pat Williams extension will likely be devoured if McKinnie is dealt.

Besides, the Vikings privately defended the decision to give up a bunch of money to McKinnie based on the reality that solid left tackles can be found in one place -- the top ten of the draft. When you have one, you never let him go. And while McKinnie won't soon be confused with Walter Jones or Orlando Pace, McKinnie is good enough to keep around.

So while such a trade makes great sense for the Bucs, it makes zero sense for the Vikings.

Unless Tampa is offering Jeff Garcia. And if the Vikes can lure Willie Roaf or Tarik Glenn out of retirement.

:thumbup:

 
Somebody posted in the Javon Walker thread that the latest rumor involves Mewelde Moore and not Taylor. That actually makes more sense for the Vikings and I still think it's a good move for the Bucs if they're not satisfied with Pittman and Graham. Anyone else with a high WW pick this week now giving some second thoughts to either of the Tampa Bay RBs?

 
Reports were wrong it was Mewelde Moore not Chester Taylor

Mewelde Moore - RB - Vikings

Sean Jensen of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports the Bucs contacted the Vikings regarding RB Mewelde Moore.

The Bucs are in need of healthy backs following the season-ending injury to Cadillac Williams and a previous report had them asking about Chester Taylor. Moore had zero touches in Week 4 and will see scant playing time behind a healthy Adrian Peterson and Taylor. While unlikely to occur, Moore would have fantasy value if traded. Oct. 2 - 4:26 p.m. ET

 
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More on this from Pro Football Talk.com:

BUCS REJECT MEWELDE OFFER

Sean Jensen of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that the Vikings and the Buccaneers have engaged in trade talks regarding Minnesota running back Mewelde Moore.

The Bucs, per Jensen, inquired about Moore, who has been a healthy scratch in two of four 2007 regular-season games. But when the Vikings asked for a first-day draft pick, the Bucs declined.

We can't say we blame them. Moore, 25, was a fourth-round pick out of Tulane in 2004, and he is signed through the current season. His salary is $510,000. Given that he has been rendered expendable in Minnesota with the presence of Chester Taylor and Adrian Peterson, anything that the Vikings could get for Moore would be a bonus at this point.

Moore primarily has been a backup for the Vikings, and has returned punts. In 2005, he started eight games and rushed for 662 yards on 155 carries, for an average-per-carry of 4.3 yards.

Regarding talk the Bucs and the Vikings have had discussions about running back Chester Taylor and Bryant McKinnie, a league source tells us that there is no truth to those rumors.

 
Dang I hate rumors. I really had my hopes up for a CT trade. My FF squad would really benefit if CT leave Minny and becomes a contributor on another team!

 
Roy Cummings is an idiot. Guy's trying to drum up readership, as the Pewter Report is killing both local rags.

 
I don't think the Moore potential trade is dead. Posturing. Let's see what happens tommorrow.

 
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