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Chester Taylor....good stats, but..how did he look? (1 Viewer)
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CrossEyed
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Looking at the play by play and he only had one long run of 28 yards.
Wheelhouse
Footballguy
I didn't see the game either, but I can't recall seeing any 1 or 2 yard gains on the gamecast LIVE. Most of his runs appeared to be around 4-5 yards.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
He looks like an average NFL RB, he has the ability to shake a would be tackler, but all in all, he is nothing special.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Yep...think of Reuben Droughns, Travis Henry(in his prime).Nothing special just gets the yards given to him. What makes Chester great for fantasy is that the coach insists on him being a workhorse...which is becoming a rarity in the NFL.
Black Label Society
Footballguy
He looked good until they got to the Gline.
Our line simply can't open many holes for him...I don't know WTHeck is going on.
Overall, he looked pretty good yesterday though. He makes alot out of nothing.
But being at the GL TWICE yesterday and not punching one in SUCKED. I was screaming at the friggin TV....
Our line simply can't open many holes for him...I don't know WTHeck is going on.
Overall, he looked pretty good yesterday though. He makes alot out of nothing.
But being at the GL TWICE yesterday and not punching one in SUCKED. I was screaming at the friggin TV....
Sorry, I didn't realize there were/are a plethora of RB's that get 90% of the carries, all the goal-line carries, and catch balls out of the backfield. My bad.
BoulderBob
Footballguy
Getting the carries has nothing to do with his overall talent. He is average, in every aspect of the game, except pass-catching. Compared to other starting RB's, he is middle of the pack, and that could be a stretch. I'm not talking about his fantasy "ability", as his situation is perfect, but his talent compared to other NFL RB's.
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LHUCKS
Footballguy
Well, if he can stay healthy while shouldering a workhorse load, that would make him special as few NFL players(and human beings for that matter) can handle 350+ touches.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
He has great skills in the passing game, too - blocking and catching.This year's Reuben Droughns is an excellent analogy - except that that Minn. OL is playing much bettrer than Cleveland's did last year.The Minn. OL seemed to be a yard or two downfield every play and I don't recall any inside penetration by Det. DLs. (IOW, it was against Det., so take it with a grain of salt - just like last week was v. Chi. so you have to coinsider that factor)
BoulderBob
Footballguy
True, if he can handle 350 carries, he has endurance/stamina/toughness/whatever you want to call it, but he isn't a special RB, the talent just isn't there.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
He said 350 touches, not carries.He's got more talent than most human beings.
He is a hard headed runner with very little "shake" and virtually no "bake" to speak of. Different kind of talent - Willie Parker can't put his nose down and break through tackles or move a pile three yeards downfield. Parker can't get hit in the backfield and make a four yard gain. Guys like Taylor and Droughns (and Edge and Ronnie Brown) can.
billymays
Footballguy
the lions run defense is pretty good and taylor had lanes and room to run all game. he had a better game start to finish than any other back the lions have faced this year. i like him and love his oline(which to me is more important than the rb) his line will only get better and i project him to avg about 100 total yards per game for the rest of the season
mozzy84
Footballguy
did you watch the game yesterday? I would say his moves and ability to break tackles are above average not to mention he catches pretty much everything thrown his way, his pass blocking has seemed solid all year. I honestly don't think many other running backs besides a couple would be doing any better than he has this year, the line is just not getting it done like they were supposed to imo.
Wally Cleaver
Footballguy
I watched the entire game and he hit the hole tremendously hard yesterday and made a lot of tacklers miss... He is going to have a big year as the rough part of his schedule is over and now he has a bunch of easy run defenses coming up... He is very underrated!!!Even the announcers of the game kept commenting on how great he looked..
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Some people judge talent on whether the back can do what Priest Holmes could do.
Jamal Lewis can't do what Priest could do - and he put Priest on the bench for years.
More important than moves or speed are the other talents a RB should possess. Tayloir will never shake a defender or bake them with breakaway speed. So what?
Jamal Lewis can't do what Priest could do - and he put Priest on the bench for years.
More important than moves or speed are the other talents a RB should possess. Tayloir will never shake a defender or bake them with breakaway speed. So what?
BoulderBob
Footballguy
True, he plays behind a solid o-line and he has some talent. All the Vikings need is an average RB. I believe a vast majority of RB's are a product of their offensive lines, so that may explain why I look at the Taylor's of the NFL and see a guy who will put up good numbers because he has a solid line in front of him. I don't compare him to Priest Holmes, Larry Johnson, etc...I see a guy who has what it takes to be a starter in the NFL and compare him to other backs who also start. IMO, he is in the middle of the pack, hence average. I do believe most NFL scouts would agree with me.
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Biabreakable
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I agree with what most people have said about Chester Taylors skills relative to other Rbs in the league of being average to slightly above average.
There are several other Rbs who have more agility, power, tackle breaking, hands, toughness, endurance, quickness and especialy speed than Chester has.
The good thing about him is he is not below average in any of these abilities except perhaps speed. He is a complete Rb. Was brought in to the Vikings because of that and is getting a heavy workload because of his versitility.
The Vikings have started using Mewelde Moore on 3rd and long downs more often the last 2 games. Partly because they want to lessen Chesters workload so as not to wear him down too quickly because so much of the offense is going through the Rb right now. But also because although Chester is good at running routes getting open and making catches in the passing game MM may be a bit better than he is in this aspect of the game. But not by much. MM has other deficiencies that Chester doesen't have.
I think Chester is slightly better than Droughns is but thats a reasonable comparison.
Another good comparison would be Terry Allen without the knee injuries. Or Curtis Martin without the toughness/endurance. (that remains to be seen)
There are several other Rbs who have more agility, power, tackle breaking, hands, toughness, endurance, quickness and especialy speed than Chester has.
The good thing about him is he is not below average in any of these abilities except perhaps speed. He is a complete Rb. Was brought in to the Vikings because of that and is getting a heavy workload because of his versitility.
The Vikings have started using Mewelde Moore on 3rd and long downs more often the last 2 games. Partly because they want to lessen Chesters workload so as not to wear him down too quickly because so much of the offense is going through the Rb right now. But also because although Chester is good at running routes getting open and making catches in the passing game MM may be a bit better than he is in this aspect of the game. But not by much. MM has other deficiencies that Chester doesen't have.
I think Chester is slightly better than Droughns is but thats a reasonable comparison.
Another good comparison would be Terry Allen without the knee injuries. Or Curtis Martin without the toughness/endurance. (that remains to be seen)
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mojorizin
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Ahhhhh......an SOD sighting.
Wally Cleaver
Footballguy
Chester has well above average vision in my opinion!!!... He very rarely misses a hole and that is an incredibly important trait in a running back that often goes overlooked.... Let's face it all these guys can run and have decent moves or else they would not be in the NFL.... I also agree that most backs are a product of their offensive line as you can almost plug any decent nfl back into the lineup behind a good offensive line and they will produce......
Chester has alot of little intangibles that don't show up at the combines.
Chester has alot of little intangibles that don't show up at the combines.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Why not? I think he has a similar running style to Larry Johnson - at leats between the tackles and when he makes contact. He has less speed in the open field, and doesn't cbounce outside as much, but that's about the only difference I see.
snogger
Footballguy
Considering the fact that the defenses know the Vikes are not going to throw the ball deep and are sitting on the run he has produced pretty good.
Heck, my 7 year old daughter was watching the game yesterday and at one point said "They are going to run here aren't they?" Sure enough up the middle.
Predictable offense scheme to even a 7 year old is NOT good.
Heck, my 7 year old daughter was watching the game yesterday and at one point said "They are going to run here aren't they?" Sure enough up the middle.
Predictable offense scheme to even a 7 year old is NOT good.
I've watched all of every Vikes games so far. While Chester is no LT2 in terms of ability, he's simply good at everything and that's what keeps him in the games. He hits the open holes given to him every time, he's got good hands, he's good at getting right up the field on screens, decent blocker, and he is smart enough to not try to risk something if the play looks blown up. He is also fast enough to get around the ends if need be and does always finish off his runs for an extra yard or two. He plays so much because he seems like the type of guy Childress would love and he hasn't given him a reason to distrust him yet. IMO he's kind of like Edgerrin James right now in terms of style of play.
ETA: He's also strong as hell and has had little wear on his body so I don't foresee the heavy workload affecting him too much come the end of the season.
ETA: He's also strong as hell and has had little wear on his body so I don't foresee the heavy workload affecting him too much come the end of the season.
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tommyGunZ
Footballguy
Speaks volumes of Taylor's talent when you're comparing his style to that of someone 2 inches taller and 20 lbs heavier. That's not a good thing either.
But it appears to be working.
Given BJ's lack of arm strength and well below average talent we have at WR (seriously, we have no complete WR - Taylor is mediocre at everything, MRob is slow, and Williamson is fast but his hands and awareness aren't there yet), as meak as our offense has been, I don't know what we could do differently. Johnson has had some successful deep passes and should have had others that were dropped. The risk we'd incur by opening up our offense is not worth the chance of reward in my opinion so our best bet is to grind it with Taylor, go play action once or twice a game, and try to win the field position battle - it also seems to be working. 3-2 with our lack of talent on offense is certainly not disappointing.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
TV set . . . 500 dollarsNFL package . . . 225 dollarsWatching football with your 7-year-old daughter . . . priceless.Watching football with your seven-year-old daughter and having her call out the plays before the ball is snapped . . . depressing.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Given that the Vikes run more than half the time and Taylor was having a successful day I'd merely say that his daughter was playing the odds.
snogger
Footballguy
don't get me wrong. i lke that we are 3-2 and our Defense isBut it appears to be working.
.Just think what we could be doing with even a slightly adjusted playbook. As I said during the game yesterday in the game thread:"Can we spot each team 13 points BEFORE the game starts so it forces them to open up the game book?"
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snogger
Footballguy
Given that the Vikes run more than half the time and Taylor was having a successful day I'd merely say that his daughter was playing the odds.
If it wasn't for piss poor play on the defenses lately they would be able to see it also.If The Vikes throw on 1st down and it falls incomplete, there is a 99.8% probability they will run on 2nd down and said run will be up the middle to 
the defense.
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Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
Seven year old daughter.She doesn't "play the odds" and it doesn't sound like she "guessed."The implication is that he Vikes are so predictable, even a 7-year-old can pick out the plays. It may mean a victory, but it makes for a difficult time watching your team - when Dave Wansnie was coachign my Dolphins, they won games, but were very tough to watch play football.Given that the Vikes run more than half the time and Taylor was having a successful day I'd merely say that his daughter was playing the odds.
But how would you adjust it? I think our coaching staff is forced to start conservative because they know if we get down quite a bit our offense doesn't have the ability to bring us back. Our second half defense won the game yesterday, not the change in play calling.don't get me wrong. i lke that we are 3-2 and our Defense isBut it appears to be working.
snogger
Footballguy
The one TD drive was "open" compared to the first half. I think i actually witnessed Brad throw not one, but two balls longer than 7 yards.But how would you adjust it? I think our coaching staff is forced to start conservative because they know if we get down quite a bit our offense doesn't have the ability to bring us back. Our second half defense won the game yesterday, not the change in play calling.don't get me wrong. i lke that we are 3-2 and our Defense isBut it appears to be working.
As I said during the game yesterday in the game thread:
"Can we spot each team 13 points BEFORE the game starts so it forces them to open up the game book?"
1-10-MIN32 (5:05) B.Johnson pass short right to J.Wiggins to MIN 38 for 6 yards (F.Bryant) [s.Rogers].
PENALTY on DET-S.Rogers, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 38.
1-10-DET47 (4:47) C.Taylor left guard to DET 43 for 4 yards (B.Bailey).
2-6-DET43 (4:04) C.Taylor up the middle to DET 35 for 8 yards (J.McGraw; D.Bullocks).
1-10-DET35 (3:21) B.Johnson pass short middle to T.Richardson to DET 15 for 20 yards
1-10-DET15 (2:37) B.Johnson pass short left to C.Taylor to DET 12 for 3 yards (E.Sims).
2-7-DET12 (1:56) C.Taylor left guard to DET 10 for 2 yards (C.Redding).
3-5-DET10 (1:15) B.Johnson pass short right to J.Wiggins to DET 3 for 7 yards (P.Lenon, J.McGraw).
1-3-DET333) C.Taylor up the middle to DET 1 for 2 yards (P.Lenon).
2-1-DET1 (15:00) B.Johnson pass short middle to T.Richardson to DET 3 for -2 yards (S.Rogers, J.DeVries).
3-3-DET3 (14:18) B.Johnson pass short middle to T.Taylor for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
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Taylor looked quite good yesterday. I don't dispute that Taylor is an "average" back among starters in the NFL in terms of talent, but that talent is plenty good enough for the Vikes purposes, especially given the long string of years of RBBC that the Vikes have had lately. No, Taylor isn't flashy, but he has been everything that the Vikes were looking for in signing him this offseason. If Taylor holds up at this pace over the full 16 game season, he will definitely fit the description of a workhorse back.
They need to work on the GL running in practice more. The RZ offense is really anemic.
They need to work on the GL running in practice more. The RZ offense is really anemic.
Notice the adjective "short" in front of both passes. They didn't change much, just the dinking and dunking was successful.The one TD drive was "open" compared to the first half. I think i actually witnessed Brad throw not one, but two balls longer than 7 yards.But how would you adjust it? I think our coaching staff is forced to start conservative because they know if we get down quite a bit our offense doesn't have the ability to bring us back. Our second half defense won the game yesterday, not the change in play calling.don't get me wrong. i lke that we are 3-2 and our Defense isBut it appears to be working.
As I said during the game yesterday in the game thread:
"Can we spot each team 13 points BEFORE the game starts so it forces them to open up the game book?"1-10-MIN32 (5:05) B.Johnson pass short right to J.Wiggins to MIN 38 for 6 yards (F.Bryant) [s.Rogers].
PENALTY on DET-S.Rogers, Roughing the Passer, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 38.
1-10-DET47 (4:47) C.Taylor left guard to DET 43 for 4 yards (B.Bailey).
2-6-DET43 (4:04) C.Taylor up the middle to DET 35 for 8 yards (J.McGraw; D.Bullocks).
1-10-DET35 (3:21) B.Johnson pass short middle to T.Richardson to DET 15 for 20 yards
1-10-DET15 (2:37) B.Johnson pass short left to C.Taylor to DET 12 for 3 yards (E.Sims).
2-7-DET12 (1:56) C.Taylor left guard to DET 10 for 2 yards (C.Redding).
3-5-DET10 (1:15) B.Johnson pass short right to J.Wiggins to DET 3 for 7 yards (P.Lenon, J.McGraw).
1-3-DET3
2-1-DET1 (15:00) B.Johnson pass short middle to T.Richardson to DET 3 for -2 yards (S.Rogers, J.DeVries).
3-3-DET3 (14:18) B.Johnson pass short middle to T.Taylor for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
