chester taylor ? (1 Viewer)

[David Yudkin]

I still think that the Vikings seem to NOT want to give the job to Moore.  They could have on several occasions and have not done so--nor do they seem like they are really entertaining the notion.

Minnesota has given him 10 or more carries 11 times in 26 games played.  In those games, he averaged 16.6 carries a game.  But in his other 15 games, he only averaged 2.5 carries a game.  Clearly if he is not filling in as the starter, he is an afterthought.

This was true with the old coaching staff. We don't know if it will be true for the new coaching staff.

You're right in that we don't know precisely what there plan is. But the new regime DID go out and sign Taylor. And they DID say they will try Moore returning kicks. Normally, if a team is high on a player, they don't go sign someone else and also have you start returning kicks.Again, I am not anti-Moore. I've had him on many of my teams his two years in the league and think he SHOULD be the starter. But the fact remains he is not (for now), and he looks like he's going in the wrong direction.

 

[Franknbeans]

I've said it at least a dozen times this off-season.  Taylor will be this year's version of Lamont Jordan. 

Two major flaws exist in that comparasion:1. Jordan played for a coach who has shown a tendency to ride one RB. Meanwhile, Taylor plays for a coach who has shown that he likes to use multiple backs in a game.

2. Jordan had no quality backups behind him therefore Jordan played almost every down. Taylor has players behind him who might be better suited as a third down back(Moore) and goal line back (Fason).

The comparasion of Taylor to Jordan can only become reality if Taylor get the touches Jordan did. I just don't see that happening.

I would disagree with your second point, he had the same situation in Oakland with Zack Crockett the goal line carrier (had 7td's in 2003) and Justin Fargas as the change of pase third down option who Oakland supposably loved as a change of pace guy. I would say it is the same thing Taylor is going into. Did you watch Moore carry the load in the past, he is a good receiver, but could never punch it in on the goaline. and Fason is 6 ft 212 lbs' while Taylor is 5'11" 213 lbs.. I don't see Fason as the battering ram, I just don't think they had any other options. Fason did have several carries when they had 10 yds to go and still only avg 1.9yds a carry last year. This is Taylor's team to see what he can do. only if Taylor falters will you seee these other guys come in. I would say the comparison to Jordan is a very solid one

Keep an Eye On: Despite Childress' claim that Taylor will assume a heavy workload, the first-year head coach's history with the Eagles suggests the Vikings could use a backfield committee. Mewelde Moore is a good fit as a third down back, and second-year rusher Ciatrick Fason is a threat to take over in short-yardage and potentially goal-line situations. Obviously, Taylor's fantasy value in touchdown heavy leagues will drop if Fason gets the money carries. Either way, the signing of Hutchinson and Richardson are good indications that the team plans to adopt a run-first mentality as part of their new West Coast offense. In other words, fantasy owners should not expect Johnson and his receivers to put up numbers like Culpepper, Moss, and Burleson did in the past.

 

[Buttmonkey]

Uh guys, what part of Childress saying that Taylor is going to receive 20-25 touches a game do you not understand. It's nice you're looking at previous year's OC playing calling, but Reid is a micro manager

 

[Biabreakable]

I don't think Chester Taylor is a tremendously talented Rb compared to others. But I do think he is solid and versitile. In a vacum I consider him to be average to possibly slightly above average compared to other Rbs in the league. It is difficult to gauge this as he has not had more than 160 carries in a season.

Now as has allready been discussed Taylor is now in a situation where he has what looks to be a very good Oline and supporting cast of blockers in Sause and Richardson. He also has been brought in to be a feature Rb in a scheme that will use him in multiple and versitile ways. Which he has shown capable of being successful running inside/outside and as a reciever.

Here is the main question for me is the ammount of touches he will get.

The HC has stated that he wants Chester to be a feature Rb who will get as much work as he can handle and be a 3 down player. However since then there have been rumours about him not being in shape.

So will he have enough endurance to be productive enough to get the workload the coaching staff wants?

Right now I would have to say no based on the information available. However one silver lining is that the coaching staff is trying to get him ready for this.

I honestly think it is up to him. His motivation will decide how successful he is. I agree with those who think he is capable of posting Rb1 numbers this year like Lamont Jordan did last year IF he improves his endurance and has enough durability to not split time with other Rbs.

What I think is more likely is that he will be spelled more and not get the TDs that Jordan did last year but still will be a decent Rb 2 or possibly a weak one depending on how much MM is used on 3rd down and as a COP to spell CT. When comparing CT and MM Moore has had more yards per catch and may be more effective as a reciever than Taylor is. Not that Taylor isn't a good reciever for a Rb tho'.

 

[cantstop1999]

would you take him #2 over harrison or chambers

 

[mightyeskimo]

As a lifelong Vikings fan, I predict a long and painful season for all concerned.

aside of b.johnson not being the best qb where is the big problem?

I think they may o line issues.

So signing Hutch has you concerned with the line? Just about every O-Line ranking I look at has Min in the top 5.

 

[Slider]

They have a great OLine and BJ can run a WCO effectively. Couple that with Taylor's pass catching ability and I think you have Brian Westbrook with a little more power and a little less speed. Nice...

 

[Banger]

From the blogger. Childress in a Q&A with a reporter....

Q: There has been speculation that the team has not been thrilled with Chester Taylor so far. How did you feel about his offseason?

BC: If I could give you an analogy. In college recruiting, there's that period where you're being wooed by this school and that school. You go through that rubber chicken circuit, where they bring you in and feed you a big meal. Then you need to make sure that you're taking care of yourself physically. Typically, you see that with all the free agents, everybody that travels and takes trips. So I would say this: Each and everyone — and he's not the lone ranger — had to work on their conditioning level from minicamp one to the end, and I would say they all progressed. He was quite a different guy in the second minicamp than he was in the first minicamp.

And to me, that's understandable.

And at that point in time, two weeks before the draft, you'll find a lot of veterans are just starting (to get in shape). So he made a huge jump, as they all did. That's what I saw.

Looks as though even if they were unhappy with CT's conditioning prior to mini-camp he appears to have gotten the message and got up to speed.

 

[TeamDingo]

From the blogger. Childress in a Q&A with a reporter....

Q: There has been speculation that the team has not been thrilled with Chester Taylor so far. How did you feel about his offseason?

BC: If I could give you an analogy. In college recruiting, there's that period where you're being wooed by this school and that school. You go through that rubber chicken circuit, where they bring you in and feed you a big meal. Then you need to make sure that you're taking care of yourself physically. Typically, you see that with all the free agents, everybody that travels and takes trips. So I would say this: Each and everyone — and he's not the lone ranger — had to work on their conditioning level from minicamp one to the end, and I would say they all progressed. He was quite a different guy in the second minicamp than he was in the first minicamp.

And to me, that's understandable.

And at that point in time, two weeks before the draft, you'll find a lot of veterans are just starting (to get in shape). So he made a huge jump, as they all did. That's what I saw.

Looks as though even if they were unhappy with CT's conditioning prior to mini-camp he appears to have gotten the message and got up to speed.

Shhhh, you will wake the people sleeping on CTaylor up.

 

[broncofan13000]

From the blogger. Childress in a Q&A with a reporter....

Q: There has been speculation that the team has not been thrilled with Chester Taylor so far. How did you feel about his offseason?

BC: If I could give you an analogy. In college recruiting, there's that period where you're being wooed by this school and that school. You go through that rubber chicken circuit, where they bring you in and feed you a big meal. Then you need to make sure that you're taking care of yourself physically. Typically, you see that with all the free agents, everybody that travels and takes trips. So I would say this: Each and everyone — and he's not the lone ranger — had to work on their conditioning level from minicamp one to the end, and I would say they all progressed. He was quite a different guy in the second minicamp than he was in the first minicamp.

And to me, that's understandable.

And at that point in time, two weeks before the draft, you'll find a lot of veterans are just starting (to get in shape). So he made a huge jump, as they all did. That's what I saw.

Looks as though even if they were unhappy with CT's conditioning prior to mini-camp he appears to have gotten the message and got up to speed.

 

[softball]

From the blogger.  Childress in a Q&A with a reporter....

Q: There has been speculation that the team has not been thrilled with Chester Taylor so far. How did you feel about his offseason?

BC: If I could give you an analogy. In college recruiting, there's that period where you're being wooed by this school and that school. You go through that rubber chicken circuit, where they bring you in and feed you a big meal. Then you need to make sure that you're taking care of yourself physically. Typically, you see that with all the free agents, everybody that travels and takes trips. So I would say this: Each and everyone — and he's not the lone ranger — had to work on their conditioning level from minicamp one to the end, and I would say they all progressed. He was quite a different guy in the second minicamp than he was in the first minicamp.

And to me, that's understandable.

And at that point in time, two weeks before the draft, you'll find a lot of veterans are just starting (to get in shape). So he made a huge jump, as they all did. That's what I saw.

Looks as though even if they were unhappy with CT's conditioning prior to mini-camp he appears to have gotten the message and got up to speed.

I'll put it context of a draft that's going on now: Lineups are:1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE K DPPR League

Rd1 Steven Jackson

Rd2 T.O.

RD3 Chester Taylor

RD4 Santana Moss

RD5 Andre Johnson

RD6 Fred Taylor

That's as far as it's gone right now.

Between Chester, TO and Santana Moss you could have 200 receptions. In a PPR League, that's one helluva number of recepts.

He looks really good as a #2 when you take a stud WR in RD 2.

 

[Sabertooth]

Also in going with the RB-relay or handcuffing philosophies, if there is no RBBC in Minnesota, Chester and Mewelde will be CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to guys like Dillon-Maroney, Duece-Bush, and Cadillac-Pittman.

Here's a chance to get a the starting running back, running behind 3 pro bowlers (Hutch, Birk, Richardson), and a pretty good bunch of supporting blockers on a team that will run as they lack a game-changer at QB and have been solidifying their defense.

Of course there is risk of RBBC too.

 

[lebowski]

Also in going with the RB-relay or handcuffing philosophies, if there is no RBBC in Minnesota, Chester and Mewelde will be CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to guys like Dillon-Maroney, Duece-Bush, and Cadillac-Pittman.

Here's a chance to get a the starting running back, running behind 3 pro bowlers (Hutch, Birk, Richardson), and a pretty good bunch of supporting blockers on a team that will run as they lack a game-changer at QB and have been solidifying their defense.

Of course there is risk of RBBC too.

Yeah, but where isn't there a risk of RBBC? (Dallas, Pitt., Car., etc.)

 

[Sabertooth]

Also in going with the RB-relay or handcuffing philosophies, if there is no RBBC in Minnesota, Chester and Mewelde will be CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to guys like Dillon-Maroney, Duece-Bush, and Cadillac-Pittman.

Here's a chance to get a the starting running back, running behind 3 pro bowlers (Hutch, Birk, Richardson), and a pretty good bunch of supporting blockers on a team that will run as they lack a game-changer at QB and have been solidifying their defense. 

Of course there is risk of RBBC too.

Yeah, but where isn't there a risk of RBBC? (Dallas, Pitt., Car., etc.)

good point. For this value of player, there is always going to be that risk. Heck, Caddy and Pittman carry that risk as far as I am concerned. Obvioulsy Deuce and Bush do to.

 

[lebowski]

Also in going with the RB-relay or handcuffing philosophies, if there is no RBBC in Minnesota, Chester and Mewelde will be CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP compared to guys like Dillon-Maroney, Duece-Bush, and Cadillac-Pittman.

Here's a chance to get a the starting running back, running behind 3 pro bowlers (Hutch, Birk, Richardson), and a pretty good bunch of supporting blockers on a team that will run as they lack a game-changer at QB and have been solidifying their defense.

Of course there is risk of RBBC too.

Yeah, but where isn't there a risk of RBBC? (Dallas, Pitt., Car., etc.)

good point. For this value of player, there is always going to be that risk. Heck, Caddy and Pittman carry that risk as far as I am concerned. Obvioulsy Deuce and Bush do to.

Exactly, that is what makes drafting a RB in the late 2nd early third difficult this year. I really like the upside of players like Julius Jones, C. Taylor, D Foster, R. Bush, W. Parker etc. but I don't like the fact that they will be likely to split carries. My two favorite out of that group are C. Taylor and W. Parker. However, right now I am leaning toward player like K Jones and R Droughns because they seem to be the main back on those teams, yet their upside does not seem as high.

 

[The Hank]

Brad Childress is the difference this year.

As OC in Philly, he put Westbrook in situations where he'd succeed and perform.

He'll do similar things with CTaylor this year.

Childress as OC Childress as HC

If you're looking at Chester Taylor with "starting all season" in mind... I think "poor man's Michael Pittman"

And without straying off-topic about Deuce, you're forgetting that Bush will be half a receiver, and the other half a 3DB.

Back on topic though, how can you begin to rationalize his 3.07 ADP??

You'd be passing on a top tier WR in a year with a big hole between the goods and the okays.

Go look at his stat-lines.... if he was any good, those numbers would look a lot better as a 3DB.

a guy like LaMont Jordan or Thomas Jones going to a new team, they showed they were capable of being every-down solid backs.... Chester Taylor hasn't shown me anything... and looking at his splits after watching him so far in his career makes me think you dozen or so guys drinking the kool-aid are

2 wordsriest Holmes.

 

[H.K.]

2 words:

Priest Holmes.

I agree, CT will be a backup and out of football by the end of the year, just like Priest.

 

[TeamDingo]

2 words:

Priest Holmes.

I agree, CT will be a backup and out of football by the end of the year, just like Priest.

By the end of the year? So you are backing off your prediction that he will become the back up during training camp?

 

[Banger]

2 words:

Priest Holmes.

I agree, CT will be a backup and out of football by the end of the year, just like Priest.

is that after being the best RB in FF?

 

[MLBrandow]

2 words:

Priest Holmes.

2 words:Terrible comparison.

A few more:

Priest Holmes 1998+----------+-------------+--------+----+| WK OPP | RSH YD | RECYD | TD |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| 4 cin | 27 173 | 5 | 2 || 6 ten | 14 29 | 98 | 0 || 7 pit | 23 76 | 42 | 0 || 8 gnb | 10 41 | 25 | 0 || 9 jax | 3 10 | 4 | 0 || 10 oak | 27 99 | 0 | 0 || 11 sdg | 6 9 | 1 | 0 || 12 cin | 36 227 | 0 | 1 || 13 ind | 22 103 | 26 | 2 || 14 ten | 11 27 | 34 | 0 || 15 min | 8 39 | 5 | 1 || 16 chi | 11 17 | 1 | 0 || 17 det | 28 132 | 12 | 1 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+| TOTAL | 233 1008 | 260 | 7 |+----------+-------------+--------+----+Then he was injured for a year and lost his job to Jamal Lewis.Just because I'm not that great with stats, can you please find me where Chester Taylor put up numbers like this? Are you going off of the two games in '04? or the four career rushing TDs in four seasons?

 

[H.K.]

2 words:

Priest Holmes.

I agree, CT will be a backup and out of football by the end of the year, just like Priest.

is that after being the best RB in FF?

no

 

[H.K.]

2 words:

Priest Holmes.

I agree, CT will be a backup and out of football by the end of the year, just like Priest.

By the end of the year? So you are backing off your prediction that he will become the back up during training camp?

no, RBBC to start, then bench, then unemployment

 

[B. Nugget]

2 words:

Priest Holmes.

I agree, CT will be a backup and out of football by the end of the year, just like Priest.

is that after being the best RB in FF?

no

HK,I thought you were a Vikings fan? You seem to have a vested interest in CT failing, is there a reason why you predict doom and gloom for your new frachise RB that has not been discussed already (ex: no history of workload, etc...)

B. Nugget

 

[TeamDingo]

2 words:

Priest Holmes.

2 words:Terrible comparison.

Tony Richardson doesn't seem to think so.

 

[H.K.]

HK,

I thought you were a Vikings fan?  You seem to have a vested interest in CT failing, is there a reason why you predict doom and gloom for your new frachise RB that has not been discussed already (ex: no history of workload, etc...)

B. Nugget

I am a fan of no NFL team, only the players I draft on my FF teams each season. What I do know is that CT had the chance to earn the starting job in Baltimore and wasn't good enough to at least earn RBBC status with a struggling JLewis in the fold, so I just don't see him keeping the feature job with MMoore & Fason in the wings.

Of even more concern is Taylor's attitude. He skipped practices in Baltimore because he wasn't happy with his situation during last season. He should have been busting his butt to earn more playing time, but instead he acted childishly and didn't do his team, or himself, any favors. Then we heard about him not being in shape whan he should have been at his peak physically to meet the demands of being a feature RB...supposedly what he has been wanting.

Seriously, I do think the Vikings will add another RB in the pre-season off the WW or via trade, and it will be a veteran with some level of proven background.

 

[Marc Levin]

You just rendered your own data set invalid for purposes of this discussion. To put it another way, who here is certain that Birk, Hutchinson, and Richardson will be Pro Bowlers this year?

Also, it is a chicken and the egg situation - were there three pro bowlers b/c the RB was en fuego or was the RB en fuego b/c of the three pro bowlers?

 

[H.K.]

Tony Richardson doesn't seem to think so.

Link?

 

[Sabertooth]

HK,

I thought you were a Vikings fan?  You seem to have a vested interest in CT failing, is there a reason why you predict doom and gloom for your new frachise RB that has not been discussed already (ex: no history of workload, etc...)

B. Nugget

I am a fan of no NFL team, only the players I draft on my FF teams each season. What I do know is that CT had the chance to earn the starting job in Baltimore and wasn't good enough to at least earn RBBC status with a struggling JLewis in the fold, so I just don't see him keeping the feature job with MMoore & Fason in the wings.

Of even more concern is Taylor's attitude. He skipped practices in Baltimore because he wasn't happy with his situation during last season. He should have been busting his butt to earn more playing time, but instead he acted childishly and didn't do his team, or himself, any favors. Then we heard about him not being in shape whan he should have been at his peak physically to meet the demands of being a feature RB...supposedly what he has been wanting.

Seriously, I do think the Vikings will add another RB in the pre-season off the WW or via trade, and it will be a veteran with some level of proven background.

Did you not read where Childress said he now looks fine? Or are you discounting that? Why would Taylor need to be in peak physical condition in May? Seems it would be better to be in peak physical condition in September? What, he signed a contract and now he's got to be game ready year round? Also Taylor had about 50% of the carries that Jamal did last season. Sounds like he did work himself into a RBBC situation there. And did you just compare Mewelde Moore and Ciatrick Fason to Jamal Lewis?

 

[H.K.]

Did you not read where Childress said he now looks fine? Yes Or are you discounting that? Yes Why would Taylor need to be in peak physical condition in May? He's a professional athlete, his job is to be striving to get better. It worked for Jerry Rice, changed Tiki's career, too Seems it would be better to be in peak physical condition in September? Agreed, but why get out of shape to begin with and make it twice as difficult What, he signed a contract and now he's got to be game ready year round? Not game ready, but lifting and doing cardio seem like they could be worked into his schedule of laying around and downing Big Macs.

Also Taylor had about 50% of the carries that Jamal did last season. Sounds like he did work himself into a RBBC situation there. And did you just compare Mewelde Moore and Ciatrick Fason to Jamal Lewis? No. I compared Lewis coming out of jail with no time to rehab his ankle injury to Moore and Fason.

 

[Sabertooth]

Did you not read where Childress said he now looks fine? Yes Or are you discounting that?  Yes Why would Taylor need to be in peak physical condition in May? He's a professional athlete, his job is to be striving to get better. It worked for Jerry Rice, changed Tiki's career, too Seems it would be better to be in peak physical condition in September? Agreed, but why get out of shape to begin with and make it twice as difficult What, he signed a contract and now he's got to be game ready year round?  Not game ready, but lifting and doing cardio seem like they could be worked into his schedule of laying around and downing Big Macs.

Also Taylor had about 50% of the carries that Jamal did last season.  Sounds like he did work himself into a RBBC situation there.  And did you just compare Mewelde Moore and Ciatrick Fason to Jamal Lewis? No. I compared Lewis coming out of jail with no time to rehab his ankle injury to Moore and Fason.

Fair enough.

 

[Banger]

Did you not read where Childress said he now looks fine? Yes Or are you discounting that?  Yes

So you make numerous posts about Taylor being out of shape in articles from unnamed sources and treat it as gospel. Then the head coach comes out and says he is good shape and you discount it. I get it. Very objective analysis.

 

[H.K.]

So you make numerous posts about Taylor being out of shape in articles from unnamed sources and treat it as gospel. Then the head coach comes out and says he is good shape and you discount it. I get it. Very objective analysis.

You are only taking a piece of my analysis. His physical preparedness was the sympton. His attitude is the disease. Exhibit A) He was unhappy in Baltimore and skipped practices when he didn't get his way.

Exhibit B) He signed a deal to be the feature RB in Minnesota and showed up in lousy shape.

 

[David Yudkin]

H.K. and I have sparred enough on Taylor,and I really don't feel like retracing our steps.

But I still find it interesting that Taylor is getting thrown under the bus for not beating out a guy that makes close to $9 million a season (Lewis). IMO, there was no real chance for Taylor to win the starting job in Baltimore. That's a bit like saying Jordan was a terrible RB because he couldn't beat out Martin.

If I learned anything over the years, it's that the guy getting the money is going to play 99% of the time as long as he's healthy. Taylor is now the guy with the bigger contract (admittedly not huge but still far more than Moore or Fason gets paid).

 

[David Yudkin]

Exhibit B) He signed a deal to be the feature RB in Minnesota and showed up in lousy shape.

The coach has come out and said most of the team wasnot in game condition, yet Taylor is the one that is getting singled out. The coach has also said he is in shape and commended him for getting in shape in a few weeks time.

 

[Banger]

So you make numerous posts about Taylor being out of shape in articles from unnamed sources and treat it as gospel.  Then the head coach comes out and says he is good shape and you discount it.  I get it.  Very objective analysis.

You are only taking a piece of my analysis. His physical preparedness was the sympton. His attitude is the disease. Exhibit A) He was unhappy in Baltimore and skipped practices when he didn't get his way.

Exhibit B) He signed a deal to be the feature RB in Minnesota and showed up in lousy shape.

Exhibit A) it's a moot point because Minn knows A LOT more about his situation than you or I know and they went and signed him on the 1st day of free agency. They wouldn't throw starter money at him without doing their research. Keep in mind that Clev signed him to an offer sheet to be their starting RB the prior year which was matched by Balt. so he could have/would have been a starter in the league last year if not for Balt matching the contract.Exhibit B) the coach said he's in good shape now and seems happy with his conditioning, so if there was an issue it was addressed.

 

[H.K.]

So you make numerous posts about Taylor being out of shape in articles from unnamed sources and treat it as gospel.  Then the head coach comes out and says he is good shape and you discount it.  I get it.  Very objective analysis.

You are only taking a piece of my analysis. His physical preparedness was the sympton. His attitude is the disease. Exhibit A) He was unhappy in Baltimore and skipped practices when he didn't get his way.

Exhibit B) He signed a deal to be the feature RB in Minnesota and showed up in lousy shape.

Exhibit A) it's a moot point because Minn knows A LOT more about his situation than you or I know and they went and signed him on the 1st day of free agency. They wouldn't throw starter money at him without doing their research. Keep in mind that Clev signed him to an offer sheet to be their starting RB the prior year which was matched by Balt.Exhibit B) the coach said he's in good shape now and seems happy with his conditioning, so if there was an issue it was addressed.

I just realized something......you and I see this situation differently

 

[MLBrandow]

Exhibit B) the coach said he's in good shape now and seems happy with his conditioning, so if there was an issue it was addressed.

You realize this doesn't change the fact that he's a bad running back, right?That is most of the foundation of the CT hate. That he came and showed up out of shape was just further evidence that he's just asking to fail. It wasn't the basis for criticism.

 

[Banger]

Exhibit B) the coach said he's in good shape now and seems happy with his conditioning, so if there was an issue it was addressed.

You realize this doesn't change the fact that he's a bad running back, right?That is most of the foundation of the CT hate. That he came and showed up out of shape was just further evidence that he's just asking to fail. It wasn't the basis for criticism.

That's your opinion and not the opinion of the Minn. Vikings who went out and signed him and who he'll be starting for. They could have traded for Edge, signed Jamal, etc., etc. but they went and targetted him.He'll have the opportunity, a good line, a good skillset for a turf homefield, an easy rushing schedule, and little competition. Time will tell whether he'll succeed but there aren't many guys that could offer the upside of this situation for the cost.

 

[H.K.]

We need to get some sig bets going in here...are there any reputable third parties without a vested interest to set up the terms?

 

[David Yudkin]

You realize this doesn't change the fact that he's a bad running back, right?

OK, I'll bite and play the role of the guy that gives the straight line and you can be the one that comes up with the cynical punchline . . .Over the 2004 and 2005 seasons Jamal Lewis (he of the 2,000 yard rushing pedigree) had a modest 3.79 ypc average. Over those same two seasons, Chester Taylor had a 4.34 ypc average. Explain to me like I am teenage girl that never saw a football game why that makes Taylor a bad running back (or better yet why Lewis was a better running back).

 

[H.K.]

Explain to me like I am teenage girl that never saw a football game why that makes Taylor a bad running back

Are you over 18? Do you have pics?

 

[TeamDingo]

Tony Richardson doesn't seem to think so.

Link?

It was a radio interview, KFAN with Dan Barreiro. I emailed the station asking them to make it available as a podcast. Richardson volunteered the comparison unsolicited. I didn't expect him to throw Taylor under the bus and say he was a fat lazy childish soon to be unemployed rb but I was stunned at how effusive he was in his praise and belief that Taylor was about to have a huge year.

 

[H.K.]

Tony Richardson doesn't seem to think so.

Link?

It was a radio interview, KFAN with Dan Barreiro. I emailed the station asking them to make it available as a podcast. Richardson volunteered the comparison unsolicited. I didn't expect him to throw Taylor under the bus and say he was a fat lazy childish soon to be unemployed rb but I was stunned at how effusive he was in his praise and belief that Taylor was about to have a huge year.

Not surprising. Richardson is the ultimate homer.

 

[Marc Levin]

But I still find it interesting that Taylor is getting thrown under the bus for not beating out a guy that makes close to $9 million a season (Lewis).  IMO, there was no real chance for Taylor to win the starting job in Baltimore.  That's a bit like saying Jordan was a terrible RB because he couldn't beat out Martin.

Doesn't mean I like CTaylor any more, but Dave makes an excellent point. His "ability" is not my problem with ranking CTaylor any higher - it is the distinct possibility of each back being pigeonholed and MMoore getting the vast majority of opps on long downs. I think Taylor will have minimal receptions and minimial RZ opps. I don't see the Vikes as a a particularly powerful offense with C-pepp, their best two receivers the last three years, and their top RBs all gone - plus a new HC.

IF he stays healthy, IF he wins the starting role, and IF he doesn't get injured, the *best* I see from him is 300 carries, 1200 yards and a handful of TDs (6-8).

The worst is significantly lower, so he gets dropped pretty far in my rankings. I think Taylor's floor is - even barring injury - in the 600-800 rush yards, 0 rec. yards, no TDs range. I won't spend a lot on a guy I see with that kind of floor.

 

[Banger]

Tony Richardson doesn't seem to think so.

Link?

It was a radio interview, KFAN with Dan Barreiro. I emailed the station asking them to make it available as a podcast. Richardson volunteered the comparison unsolicited. I didn't expect him to throw Taylor under the bus and say he was a fat lazy childish soon to be unemployed rb but I was stunned at how effusive he was in his praise and belief that Taylor was about to have a huge year.

Not surprising. Richardson is the ultimate homer.

LOL. I'm sure if Richardson said "ya, Chester has a little ways to go with his conditioning but we all do" or "Priest is in a different category, he's one of those special players" I somehow doubt you would discount that.

 

[H.K.]

[quote name=TeamDingo' date='Jul 25 2006, 02:46 PMNot surprising. Richardson is the ultimate homer.

LOL. I'm sure if Richardson said "ya, Chester has a little ways to go with his conditioning but we all do" or "Priest is in a different category, he's one of those special players" I somehow doubt you would discount that.

Actually, that was joke. He plays for the team, and I called him a homer...hehehe....OK, not funny. I'll move on...sig bets anyone?

 

[Banger]

[quote name=TeamDingo' date='Jul 25 2006, 02:46 PMNot surprising. Richardson is the ultimate homer.

LOL. I'm sure if Richardson said "ya, Chester has a little ways to go with his conditioning but we all do" or "Priest is in a different category, he's one of those special players" I somehow doubt you would discount that.

Actually, that was joke. He plays for the team, and I called him a homer...hehehe....OK, not funny. I'll move on...sig bets anyone?

I'm in. what's the bet?

 

[David Yudkin]

But I still find it interesting that Taylor is getting thrown under the bus for not beating out a guy that makes close to $9 million a season (Lewis).  IMO, there was no real chance for Taylor to win the starting job in Baltimore.  That's a bit like saying Jordan was a terrible RB because he couldn't beat out Martin.

Doesn't mean I like CTaylor any more, but Dave makes an excellent point. His "ability" is not my problem with ranking CTaylor any higher - it is the distinct possibility of each back being pigeonholed and MMoore getting the vast majority of opps on long downs. I htink Taylor will have minimal receptions and minimial RZ opps. I don't see the Vikes as a a particularly powerful offense with C-pepp, their best two receivers the last three years, and their top RBs all gone - plus a new HC.

IF he stays healthy, IF he wins the starting role, and IF he doesn't get injured, the *best* I see from him is 300 carries, 1200 yards and a handful of TDs (6-8).

The worst is significantly lower, so he gets dropped pretty far in my rankings. I think Taylor's floor is - even barring injury - in the 600-8-- rush yards, 0 rec. yards, no TDs range. I won't spend a lot on a guy I see with that kind of floor.

I guess the problem I'm having is believing what his own coach has to say about him. Childress indicated when they signed Taylor that the team hoped to get him the ball 20-30 times a game as a dual running and receiving threat.We all know that a RB is not going to see 30 touches very often (if at all), but IMO 18-20 times is not all that crazy.

For those suggesting that Childress is a RBBC coach, the Eagles never really utilized a RBBC approach with the exception of Westbrook because they didn't want him to have a huge workload. They had no choice with injury upon injury year after year.

I outlined much of this in the Taylor PS thread, and IMO Taylor could be in line with numbers similar to Duce Staley's healthy years in PHI when he posted:

1065-432-6

1273-294-6

1029-541-8

In those years, Staley ranked in the RB 10-15 bracket.

 

[H.K.]

I'm in. what's the bet?

Taylor doesn't finish as a Top 20 RB in PPR formats. Loser pays $35,000.

 

[David Yudkin]

I'm in.  what's the bet?

Taylor doesn't finish as a Top 20 RB in PPR formats. Loser pays $35,000.

Sounds good. Each of you wire me the money and I'll hold it until January when the season is done.