jestertj
Footballguy
Agree or not, you certainly have strong opinions, even if they're not popular. So are you totally skipping these two guys or can something happen over the next 2.5 weeks to change your opinion? (I'm guessing a big hell no on CT)
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MLBrandow
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If I see him fight for extra yardage instead of bracing for impact on every carry, I will rescind my stance. Also, if I see him targeted to the degree people are projecting him, I will also back off.I have never seen him look like an NFL running back.The latest preseason game merely confirms the argument that the three of us have been building all offseason. It's not the basis.
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H.K.
Footballguy
My wife agrees with you.I will not draft Taylor. Period.I will not draft Gates unless six other TE's go before him.
jestertj
Footballguy
I'll have to try and watch for this.
jestertj
Footballguy
Fair enough.
H.K.
Footballguy
This thread will be a blast during the season. We can share virtual
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Banger
Footballguy
Agreed. The funny thing was last night after Richardson scored on the TD, I was wondering how long it would be until the Richardson is GL back, etc. would be posted. It was minutes....This thread will be a blast during the season. We can share virtual
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Here's a challenge for H.K. 1 PPR rules and otherwise standard scoring. I get Chester Taylor at RB and Antonio Gates at TE. You can have any RB currently going AFTER Taylor and any other TE. Your pick.Excluded from the RB corps would be:RB1 Larry Johnson KC/3 RB2 Shaun Alexander Sea/5 RB3 LaDainian Tomlinson SD/3 RB4 Clinton Portis Was/8 RB5 Tiki Barber NYG/4 RB6 Edgerrin James Ari/9 RB7 Steven Jackson StL/7 RB8 LaMont Jordan Oak/3 RB9 Ronnie Brown Mia/8 RB10 Rudi Johnson Cin/5 RB11 Cadillac Williams TB/4 RB12 Brian Westbrook Phi/9 RB13 Willis McGahee Buf/8 RB14 Domanick Davis Hou/5 RB15 Kevin Jones Det/8 RB16 Julius Jones Dal/3 RB17 Willie Parker Pit/4 RB18 Reuben Droughns Cle/6 RB19 Jamal Lewis Bal/7 RB20 Reggie Bush NO/7 RB21 Warrick Dunn Atl/5 You can have any other RB and any other TE. If Taylor and Gates don't score more than your pair, I'll get you a free FBG subscription for next season.H.K. said:
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MLBrandow
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Can I play? I think Gates is the #1, TE, but Gates/CT is an easy combo to beat.I'll take Rhodes/Shockey all day, please.Ballpark guesstimatesRhodes: 1300/10Shockey: 900/9CT: 600/3Gates: 1100/12Not very close to me.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
You are not the one dissing on Gates. But if you want to play for fun, knock yourself out. Only one gauntlet of challenge grudge match per thread.That aside, I don't see how Rhodes comes close to that, but we can save that for another thread.
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MLBrandow
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how about I bet you the $29.95 that Rhodes/Shockey beats Gates/CT?
Banger
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BigRed
Footballguy
Um didn't you get that backwards - anyway did I miss something, what I saw Taylor looked OK - didn't have much room to do a lot really, but again it's one game, etc etc.Edit: just looked up his stats, guess I missed something. I only saw a few carries though. :(
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MLBrandow
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I'm expecting him to be on the bench after a few weeks of egregious ineffectiveness. After that, he'll see a few starts as they rotate RBs.600so you're expecting him to do 400 yards worse than Moore did last year?
Banger
Footballguy
Fair enough. He does have a very tough 1st 3 games with @Wash, Carolina and Chicago and if Buff returns to form they could be a tough 4th game but it goes downhill from there.I'm expecting him to be on the bench after a few weeks of egregious ineffectiveness. After that, he'll see a few starts as they rotate RBs.600
H.K.
Footballguy
Mr. Yudkin,I received your PM and I gladly accept your challenge. When do I need to submit my final pairing? I have to leave for a draft in about thirty minutes, so I haven't given this much thought. Also, please submit all scoring rules (i.e. - is this decimal, do we lose points for fumbles lost?)...and I assume injuries fall under the afformentioned "tough cookies" department.Warmest Regards,H.K.
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MLBrandow
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Take Rhodes/Shockey HK, and give me your password. 
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Timeline should be within 24 hours (give or take so to minimize the window of potential injuries).Scoring will be 0.1 point for each rushing or receiving yard. 6 points for all TD. 1 point per reception. 2 points for a 2 point conversion. No penalties for fumbles or turnovers. I can't imagine that any of these players would have any passing stats, but decimal scoring based on 1 point for each 20 yards passing.Total points on the full 16 game NFL season for each pair. If a guy misses 10 games touch noogies.
jestertj
Footballguy
Side bets rule.
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MLBrandow
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broncofan13000
Footballguy
Side bets rule.
Tau837
Footballguy
Wait... so you're in with us (RB21 or worse) or against us (RB20 or better)? I'm pretty sure you're with us.
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H.K.
Footballguy
David,Put me down for Deshaun Foster & Todd Heap.Good luck,H.K.edited for spelling:
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mr. furley
Footballguy
Taylor's ranking take a hit now that Koren Robinson could be out for the season following the DWI?
Mystery Achiever
Footballguy
Or does he pick up some of the receptions?Taylor's ranking take a hit now that Koren Robinson could be out for the season following the DWI?
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MLBrandow
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Hard to say, as it is looking like Childress wasn't planning on passing to CT in the first place. Could be a bump for MeMo, although that would imply CT is pulled on 3rd downs.Pure speculation on my part, and I think it's silly to assume anything until there is word on KRob.All I know is I hope Brad Johnson goes down, because as bad as that MIN team looked, TJax was insanely fun to watch.Or does he pick up some of the receptions?Taylor's ranking take a hit now that Koren Robinson could be out for the season following the DWI?
Banger
Footballguy
Where did you get this from? I remember reading in the press conferences/interviews after they signed him that that was one of the attributes they liked about Taylor (he was the 3rd down back in Balt). I hope it's not the fact that he got no targets in the 1 qtr of preseason work.MeMo is moving down the depth chart (at this point Fason has passed him) not up and has had problems blocking in TC (which would hurt any 3rd down aspirations).Hard to say, as it is looking like Childress wasn't planning on passing to CT in the first place. Could be a bump for MeMo, although that would imply CT is pulled on 3rd downs.Or does he pick up some of the receptions?Taylor's ranking take a hit now that Koren Robinson could be out for the season following the DWI?
mr. furley
Footballguy
Johnson has to throw to someone i guess.... can't leave all the receptions to, uhhh, ummm.... Kevin Kircus? errr.. uhh.... Ricky Nattiel????Or does he pick up some of the receptions?Taylor's ranking take a hit now that Koren Robinson could be out for the season following the DWI?
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
I may have to amend the challenge to Heap, Foster, and another RB to keep things fair.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Ouch.I'd have gone with Westbrook/Shockey, especially with PPR scoring.I may have to amend the challenge to Heap, Foster, and another RB to keep things fair.
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H.K.
Footballguy
That much faith in Taylor, huh? If they give him the workload they suggest, and now without K-Rob. He's going to be ground into mince meat by week 3. This is Foster's year, book it.I may have to amend the challenge to Heap, Foster, and another RB to keep things fair.
H.K.
Footballguy
Me too....but he wasn't an option:Ouch.I'd have gone with Westbrook/Shockey, especially with PPR scoring.I may have to amend the challenge to Heap, Foster, and another RB to keep things fair.
Had to be less than RB22 or greater from the list David posted.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Nope. That LITTLE faith in Foster.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Poster Posts
H.K. 58
MLBrandow 31
Banger 23
David Yudkin 21
Just Win Baby 13
Sabertooth 12
The Chester hate is strong with this H.K.
H.K. 58
MLBrandow 31
Banger 23
David Yudkin 21
Just Win Baby 13
Sabertooth 12
The Chester hate is strong with this H.K.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Odds are 1:1 that this thread gets bumped the first week of the season, no matter WHAT Chester does.
Banger
Footballguy
it probably won't need to get bumped because it probably won't leave the 1st page....
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
D'oh!I'm going to go and sit in the corner now.Me too....but he wasn't an option:Ouch.I'd have gone with Westbrook/Shockey, especially with PPR scoring.I may have to amend the challenge to Heap, Foster, and another RB to keep things fair.Had to be less than RB22 or greater from the list David posted.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
3 weeks from now?Bold prediction.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
Damn I should have thought of a side bet before it got to this point! All these Chester haters... he's going to be good!
H.K.
Footballguy
For your edification, and the rest of the board, here are Foster's numbers from December through the playoffs:Averaged 20 carries a gameRushed for 98.6 yards game (4.9 YPC)Caught 11 passes for 80 yards and Scored three TD'sThat's a seven game stretch of averaging 110 total yards a game. In the scoring format you proposed he averaged over 15 PPG...Now that the Panthers have added Keyshaun, defenses must respect the passing game in a much different manner than previously known, so the running lanes will be there. Also, Williams will not be a threat to steal Foster's carries. He is too raw at the moment and needs more seasoning. Chester Taylor's biggest asset is his perceived oppotunity, but being lost in the shuffle is that Foster has the same opportunity. So it comes down to Talyor being able to put up numbers close to Foster, but CT has lesser ability and lesser surrounding talent, so he won't come close.That leaves Gates vs. Heap. Last season Gates' posted huge numbers, and he outscored Heap in this format by 50 points. However, with a new QB who has zero NFL experience, a decline is expected from Gates. Heap, on the other hand, has an upgrade at QB who loves to throw to his TE. Advantage: Heap.The only hope you have of winning the bet is Foster getting hurt, which is possible. However, I don't see his durability as any more a question mark than Taylor's, who has never been a feature back and had to endure the pounding on a week to week basis. If my guys stay healthy, you're toast.
Interseptopus
Footballguy
McNair "loves to throw to his TE"??? Did I read that right?
Can anyone even remember the last time TEN had a top 10 TE?! Maybe 10 years ago when he was an inexperienced QB... you had a better shot with Heap if Boller was the starter still...
Foster is a good pick, but he'll be hurt by week 4. Either that or losing carries to Williams. And yes, Foster is on a better team, but one can argue that there's not enough balls to go around in that case. Taylor may be the only option they have in that offense in MIN. And yes, it can be done (see LaMont Jordan, OAK 2005 when Moss was hurt).
Can anyone even remember the last time TEN had a top 10 TE?! Maybe 10 years ago when he was an inexperienced QB... you had a better shot with Heap if Boller was the starter still...
Foster is a good pick, but he'll be hurt by week 4. Either that or losing carries to Williams. And yes, Foster is on a better team, but one can argue that there's not enough balls to go around in that case. Taylor may be the only option they have in that offense in MIN. And yes, it can be done (see LaMont Jordan, OAK 2005 when Moss was hurt).
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Hey, we all have our opinions, and I don't see what you do in Foster. I'm not disputing that Foster has done okay on occasion, but he certainly has not been able to string together good health for more than a few games at a time. Since you were the one that picked Foster, let me show you what's behind Door #1 . . .Foster has played in 33 games in his pro career. He's missed 31 games in that time. He's had only one year where he eclipsed 200 carries (205 last year). While some have pointed to Taylor as being allergic to the end zone, Foster has been even worse (4 rushing TD in 377 career rushing attempts). And his injury history goes back to at least his college days (IIRC hurt every year) and at one point I thought I read he was hurt even in high school (but that one was hardly official).While the panthers have suddenly emerged as a trendy pick for Top 10 fantasy running back production, I don't see it. Here were the team rankings from the time Foster entered the league.2002: 25nd in rushing yards, 31st in ypc, 22th in rushing TD2003: 7th in rushing yards, 17th in ypc, 25th in rushing TD2004: 28th in rushing yards, 28th in ypc, 22th in rushing TD2005: 19th in rushing yards, 29th in ypc, 8th in rushing TDI don't see great numbers embedded in there. And let's not forget that the team burned their first pick on Williams, who IMO will do well once he gets a chance (which should not be very long given Foster's knack for getting banged up). Taylor, on the other hand has played in 62 of 64 games in the same number of years as Foster (97%). Sure, we don't know hoe Taylor will hold up, but it's not like he's been a huge injury risk up until this point.As for the Gates vs. Heap battle, Gates averaged 18.1 ppg vs 13.2 ppg for Heap. That's more than a 25% advantage. Gates may not do as well this year, but I don't see him losing a third of his production even with Rivers at QB. People are going way overboard on their doom and gloom assessment of Rivers this year.I never thought you would have picked Foster, as he would probably have been one of my last choices (but obviously a better option than say Curtis Martin). I don't see this as being even close to your favor, but that's why they play the games . . .
H.K.
Footballguy
My unpredictability is only surpassed by my outer beauty.Just thought of something: what if we tie?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
What if I win?My unpredictability is only surpassed by my outer beauty.Just thought of something: what if we tie?
