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You must not be familiar with the Tennessee offense, since this is a well known fact. The Data Dominator only goes back to 2002, so here are the total TE fantasy points for each team from 2002 to 2005:KC - 604.60McNair "loves to throw to his TE"??? Did I read that right?
Can anyone even remember the last time TEN had a top 10 TE?! Maybe 10 years ago when he was an inexperienced QB... you had a better shot with Heap if Boller was the starter still...
You must not be familiar with the Tennessee offense, since this is a well known fact. The Data Dominator only goes back to 2002, so here are the total TE fantasy points for each team from 2002 to 2005:KC - 604.60McNair "loves to throw to his TE"??? Did I read that right?
Can anyone even remember the last time TEN had a top 10 TE?! Maybe 10 years ago when he was an inexperienced QB... you had a better shot with Heap if Boller was the starter still...
SD - 553.20
BAL - 516.20
NYG - 485.30
IND - 480.60
DEN - 475.10
NE - 458.50
TEN - 452.95
ATL - 417.60
GB - 408.55
McNair played 52 of 64 games over that span, so I think it is safe to conclude that he does love to throw to his TE.
On top of that, Frank Wycheck was a top 6 fantasy TE for 6 straight seasons from 1996-2002. McNair was the primary QB for the last 5 of those seasons.

You must not be familiar with the Tennessee offense, since this is a well known fact. The Data Dominator only goes back to 2002, so here are the total TE fantasy points for each team from 2002 to 2005:KC - 604.60McNair "loves to throw to his TE"??? Did I read that right?
Can anyone even remember the last time TEN had a top 10 TE?! Maybe 10 years ago when he was an inexperienced QB... you had a better shot with Heap if Boller was the starter still...
SD - 553.20
BAL - 516.20
NYG - 485.30
IND - 480.60
DEN - 475.10
NE - 458.50
TEN - 452.95
ATL - 417.60
GB - 408.55
McNair played 52 of 64 games over that span, so I think it is safe to conclude that he does love to throw to his TE.
On top of that, Frank Wycheck was a top 6 fantasy TE for 6 straight seasons from 1996-2002. McNair was the primary QB for the last 5 of those seasons.

You must not be familiar with the Tennessee offense, since this is a well known fact. The Data Dominator only goes back to 2002, so here are the total TE fantasy points for each team from 2002 to 2005:KC - 604.60McNair "loves to throw to his TE"??? Did I read that right?
Can anyone even remember the last time TEN had a top 10 TE?! Maybe 10 years ago when he was an inexperienced QB... you had a better shot with Heap if Boller was the starter still...
SD - 553.20
BAL - 516.20
NYG - 485.30
IND - 480.60
DEN - 475.10
NE - 458.50
TEN - 452.95
ATL - 417.60
GB - 408.55
McNair played 52 of 64 games over that span, so I think it is safe to conclude that he does love to throw to his TE.
On top of that, Frank Wycheck was a top 6 fantasy TE for 6 straight seasons from 1996-2002. McNair was the primary QB for the last 5 of those seasons.
This should probably be a different thread but Foster can rarely stay on the field for more than a 7 game stretch. Even after that performance the team goes out and spends their 1st rounder on a RB. You say Williams isn't a threat but I think that is hope rather than fact. Regardless, Foster has real talent behind him and Taylor has Fason (who's hasn't shown much) and Moore who's falling down the depth chart...For your edification, and the rest of the board, here are Foster's numbers from December through the playoffs:Averaged 20 carries a gameRushed for 98.6 yards game (4.9 YPC)Caught 11 passes for 80 yards and Scored three TD'sThat's a seven game stretch of averaging 110 total yards a game. In the scoring format you proposed he averaged over 15 PPG...Now that the Panthers have added Keyshaun, defenses must respect the passing game in a much different manner than previously known, so the running lanes will be there. Also, Williams will not be a threat to steal Foster's carries. He is too raw at the moment and needs more seasoning. Chester Taylor's biggest asset is his perceived oppotunity, but being lost in the shuffle is that Foster has the same opportunity. So it comes down to Talyor being able to put up numbers close to Foster, but CT has lesser ability and lesser surrounding talent, so he won't come close.That leaves Gates vs. Heap. Last season Gates' posted huge numbers, and he outscored Heap in this format by 50 points. However, with a new QB who has zero NFL experience, a decline is expected from Gates. Heap, on the other hand, has an upgrade at QB who loves to throw to his TE. Advantage: Heap.The only hope you have of winning the bet is Foster getting hurt, which is possible. However, I don't see his durability as any more a question mark than Taylor's, who has never been a feature back and had to endure the pounding on a week to week basis. If my guys stay healthy, you're toast.Nope. That LITTLE faith in Foster.That much faith in Taylor . . .
Williams is not a threat this season. He'll play some, but Fox will rely on his vets. He did with Davis, and he will with Foster. Should Foster go down, they'll have Williams. Depth at RB was the biggest issue the Panthers needed to fill in the off season, so they did. With Foster's brittle nature, it makes perfect sense and was a good move. I was at Williams' debut Saturday night, and I think he's pretty good. However, he's not at Memphis anymore, he's in the NFL. He was in awe at the speed of the game after he saw action and it will take him time to adjust. Not just that, but the overall complexities of the game like pass blocking, blitz recognition, etc. This will take time Also, Shelton will be cut. No GL vulture.This should probably be a different thread but Foster can rarely stay on the field for more than a 7 game stretch. Even after that performance the team goes out and spends their 1st rounder on a RB. You say Williams isn't a threat but I think that is hope rather than fact. Regardless, Foster has real talent behind him and Taylor has Fason (who's hasn't shown much) and Moore who's falling down the depth chart...
Did you sit down with him after the game for tea and biscuits, and he just felt like opening up to you?He was in awe at the speed of the game.
I just don't think that Foster is a "vet" like Davis was a vet. Davis was a stud back, a warrior, had proven himself over the years and had the confidence of the staff. I don't think any of that applies to Foster. He's a vet in that he's played in the league for a few years but I don't think the team has any confidence in him, thus the rookie Rb.Williams is not a threat this season. He'll play some, but Fox will rely on his vets. He did with Davis, and he will with Foster. Should Foster go down, they'll have Williams. Depth at RB was the biggest issue the Panthers needed to fill in the off season, so they did. With Foster's brittle nature, it makes perfect sense and was a good move. I was at Williams' debut Saturday night, and I think he's pretty good. However, he's not at Memphis anymore, he's in the NFL. He was in awe at the speed of the game after he saw action and it will take him time to adjust. Not just that, but the overall complexities of the game like pass blocking, blitz recognition, etc. This will take time Also, Shelton will be cut. No GL vulture.This should probably be a different thread but Foster can rarely stay on the field for more than a 7 game stretch. Even after that performance the team goes out and spends their 1st rounder on a RB. You say Williams isn't a threat but I think that is hope rather than fact. Regardless, Foster has real talent behind him and Taylor has Fason (who's hasn't shown much) and Moore who's falling down the depth chart...
Wow, nice sarcasm!THE NEWSPanthers rookie running back DeAngelo Williams has had two major mental lapses in training camp so far, according to ESPN.com. First, Williams has repeatedly fumbled during the opening days of camp, which is the worst thing a young back can do. Second, in a half-speed drill earlier this week, Williams cut-blocked a defensive lineman, which earned him tongue-lashing from five-year veteran tackle Kris Jenkins. OUR VIEWThis news does not surprise us as Williams needs to become acclimated to the speed of the NFL game. It should be noted that these are the exact reasons that Panthers offensive coordinator Dan Henning doesn't like playing rookies. Williams needs to stop fumbling, start blocking correctly, and learn the offense before he will be an effective all-around back in the NFL. For now, it appears DeShaun Foster has a pretty tight grip on the starting job in Carolina. Also, when Williams was interviewed after the game, he thought he went much further than he had. He got three yards and remarked how much "longer" NFL yards are than in college.Did you sit down with him after the game for tea and biscuits, and he just felt like opening up to you?He was in awe at the speed of the game.
eta: linkWow, nice sarcasm!THE NEWSDid you sit down with him after the game for tea and biscuits, and he just felt like opening up to you?He was in awe at the speed of the game.
Panthers rookie running back DeAngelo Williams has had two major mental lapses in training camp so far, according to ESPN.com. First, Williams has repeatedly fumbled during the opening days of camp, which is the worst thing a young back can do. Second, in a half-speed drill earlier this week, Williams cut-blocked a defensive lineman, which earned him tongue-lashing from five-year veteran tackle Kris Jenkins.
OUR VIEW
This news does not surprise us as Williams needs to become acclimated to the speed of the NFL game. It should be noted that these are the exact reasons that Panthers offensive coordinator Dan Henning doesn't like playing rookies. Williams needs to stop fumbling, start blocking correctly, and learn the offense before he will be an effective all-around back in the NFL. For now, it appears DeShaun Foster has a pretty tight grip on the starting job in Carolina.
Also, when Williams was interviewed after the game, he thought he went much further than he had. He got three yards and remarked how much "longer" NFL yards are than in college.
Did you sit down with him after the game for tea and biscuits, and he just felt like opening up to you?He was in awe at the speed of the game.

LinkyLook at the Facts: Taylor is hurt and the other RB's are impressing in his absence. The Depth Chart is undetermined at this point, but a player who can't (or won't) come out of the trainers' room is not going to win a starting role. Again, CT will not start week one, its already over for him.LOL, as long as Taylor gets 20 carries and a couple catches/game that's all that matters. You can hang your hat on Fason if you wish.
Running back Mewelde Moore missed his second straight day of practice because of a left knee injury and won't play in Saturday's game at Pittsburgh, according to Childress.
Same story different year....Running back Mewelde Moore missed his second straight day of practice because of a left knee injury and won't play in Saturday's game at Pittsburgh, according to Childress.
How will Moore not playing increase Taylor's stellar 2.0 YPC this preseason?Same story different year....Running back Mewelde Moore missed his second straight day of practice because of a left knee injury and won't play in Saturday's game at Pittsburgh, according to Childress.
I am thinking that a sample size of what 4 or 5 carries is probably not going to be indicative of the season overall.How will Moore not playing increase Taylor's stellar 2.0 YPC this preseason?Same story different year....Running back Mewelde Moore missed his second straight day of practice because of a left knee injury and won't play in Saturday's game at Pittsburgh, according to Childress.
ya think? Anyone know how if Taylor is fully healthy now? I thought he did fair (not terrible not great) considering how well the OAK DL played. And speaking of lines, what was up w/the supposedly highly improved amazing MIN OL? Or did I only see the series where the starters were out?I am thinking that a sample size of what 4 or 5 carries is probably not going to be indicative of the season overall.
How will Moore not playing increase Taylor's stellar 2.0 YPC this preseason?Same story different year....Running back Mewelde Moore missed his second straight day of practice because of a left knee injury and won't play in Saturday's game at Pittsburgh, according to Childress.
You're too much!It's a new line playing together for the first time in a game.LOL, here's a guess that they'll improve a little bit.ya think? Anyone know how if Taylor is fully healthy now? I thought he did fair (not terrible not great) considering how well the OAK DL played. And speaking of lines, what was up w/the supposedly highly improved amazing MIN OL? Or did I only see the series where the starters were out?I am thinking that a sample size of what 4 or 5 carries is probably not going to be indicative of the season overall.
Lines take time to gel. It might be a few weeks into the season before Hutch and Co are comfortable with each other.ya think? Anyone know how if Taylor is fully healthy now? I thought he did fair (not terrible not great) considering how well the OAK DL played. And speaking of lines, what was up w/the supposedly highly improved amazing MIN OL? Or did I only see the series where the starters were out?I am thinking that a sample size of what 4 or 5 carries is probably not going to be indicative of the season overall.
Taylors ypc is actually better than R. Johnson (-2.6), Edge (-1), McGahee (1.66), equal to J. Jones (2) and just slightly worse than SA (2.16) so I'd say he's in pretty good company....How will Moore not playing increase Taylor's stellar 2.0 YPC this preseason?Same story different year....Running back Mewelde Moore missed his second straight day of practice because of a left knee injury and won't play in Saturday's game at Pittsburgh, according to Childress.
LOL, have heard that before and it didn't pan out. Not saying it won't happen, but it's not a given, even with a guy like Hutchinson.It's a new line playing together for the first time in a game.LOL, here's a guess that they'll improve a little bit.
where Hutch is money is the red zone (ask SA) and the one TD they scored they followed right behind him into the end zone.LOL, have heard that before and it didn't pan out. Not saying it won't happen, but it's not a given, even with a guy like Hutchinson.It's a new line playing together for the first time in a game.LOL, here's a guess that they'll improve a little bit.
Wow...I thought I was pushing the envelope. Did you really just lump Taylor in with that group?Taylors ypc is actually better than R. Johnson (-2.6), Edge (-1), McGahee (1.66), equal to J. Jones (2) and just slightly worse than SA (2.16) so I'd say he's in pretty good company....
TD was Richardson's, least we not forgetwhere Hutch is money is the red zone (ask SA) and the one TD they scored they followed right behind him into the end zone.LOL, have heard that before and it didn't pan out. Not saying it won't happen, but it's not a given, even with a guy like Hutchinson.It's a new line playing together for the first time in a game.LOL, here's a guess that they'll improve a little bit.

All that, and a bag of chips, baby!How will Moore not playing increase Taylor's stellar 2.0 YPC this preseason?You're too much!
just comparing him with his peers...Wow...I thought I was pushing the envelope. Did you really just lump Taylor in with that group?Taylors ypc is actually better than R. Johnson (-2.6), Edge (-1), McGahee (1.66), equal to J. Jones (2) and just slightly worse than SA (2.16) so I'd say he's in pretty good company....
the numbers speak for themselves...He's no Reggie Bush, that's for sure!just comparing him with his peers...Wow...I thought I was pushing the envelope. Did you really just lump Taylor in with that group?Taylors ypc is actually better than R. Johnson (-2.6), Edge (-1), McGahee (1.66), equal to J. Jones (2) and just slightly worse than SA (2.16) so I'd say he's in pretty good company....the numbers speak for themselves...
or Musa Smith.He's no Reggie Bush, that's for sure!just comparing him with his peers...Wow...I thought I was pushing the envelope. Did you really just lump Taylor in with that group?Taylors ypc is actually better than R. Johnson (-2.6), Edge (-1), McGahee (1.66), equal to J. Jones (2) and just slightly worse than SA (2.16) so I'd say he's in pretty good company....the numbers speak for themselves...
Well played. It seems I've met my equal when it comes to mastery of statistical analysis.just comparing him with his peers...Wow...I thought I was pushing the envelope. Did you really just lump Taylor in with that group?Taylors ypc is actually better than R. Johnson (-2.6), Edge (-1), McGahee (1.66), equal to J. Jones (2) and just slightly worse than SA (2.16) so I'd say he's in pretty good company....the numbers speak for themselves...

Don't expect anything special through weeks 1-17, either.(sorry jester, if I get a softball, I'm gonna tee it up)jestertj said:Don't be expecting anything special this week either. The play selection was VERY vanilla last week and I wouldn't look for it to be any better this week. H.K. willl have plenty of ammo again for next week.![]()
I expect nothing less.I saw Chester make a couple of solid runs, one on a 3rd and short where he actually broke a tackle.Don't expect anything special through weeks 1-17, either.(sorry jester, if I get a softball, I'm gonna tee it up)Don't be expecting anything special this week either. The play selection was VERY vanilla last week and I wouldn't look for it to be any better this week. H.K. willl have plenty of ammo again for next week.![]()

CT's preseason #'s 19 carriesI expect nothing less.
I saw Chester make a couple of solid runs, one on a 3rd and short where he actually broke a tackle.![]()
Sure, but if your preseason league gives points for being the lead blocker, Chester wasTD was Richardson's, least we not forgetwhere Hutch is money is the red zone (ask SA) and the one TD they scored they followed right behind him into the end zone.LOL, have heard that before and it didn't pan out. Not saying it won't happen, but it's not a given, even with a guy like Hutchinson.It's a new line playing together for the first time in a game.LOL, here's a guess that they'll improve a little bit.![]()

CT's preseason #'s 19 carriesI expect nothing less.
I saw Chester make a couple of solid runs, one on a 3rd and short where he actually broke a tackle.![]()
54 yards
2.8 YPC
3 rec.
15 yards
5.0 YPR
:X :X :X :X :X![]()
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How are his backups doing? you know the ones that we supposed to have supplanted him by now.Had 3 receptions this game which was also against the Steelers 1st team. He picked up every short yardage 1st down opportunity as well. So he's 4 for 4 in short yardage over both games. He'll be fine....CT's preseason #'s 19 carriesI expect nothing less.
I saw Chester make a couple of solid runs, one on a 3rd and short where he actually broke a tackle.![]()
54 yards
2.8 YPC
3 rec.
15 yards
5.0 YPR
:X :X :X :X :X![]()
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Damn HK, and I had respect for you as a poster... I think you'd be smarter than to judge off of two games, much less 2 PRESEASON games...I guess these guys are out of a job too:CT's preseason #'s 19 carriesI expect nothing less.
I saw Chester make a couple of solid runs, one on a 3rd and short where he actually broke a tackle.![]()
54 yards
2.8 YPC
3 rec.
15 yards
5.0 YPR
:X :X :X :X :X![]()
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Not comparable. All of these RB have had 1,000 yard rushing seasons as feature RB's. Taylor has done nothing to deserve consideration among that group.I guess these guys are out of a job too:Edgerrin James 4 att 3 yds 0.8 averageShaun Alexander 11 att 33 yds 3.0 averageRudi Johnson 6 att -5 yds -0.8 averageDominic Rhodes 10 att 25 yds 2.5 average
maybe, but that still doesn't mean your analysis is any less faulty. You are taking a minimal amount of carries and applying them as if this were a reasonable sample to support your concluion, which of course it isn't.H.K. said:Not comparable. All of these RB have had 1,000 yard rushing seasons as feature RB's. Taylor has done nothing to deserve consideration among that group.Ro3384 said:I guess these guys are out of a job too:Edgerrin James 4 att 3 yds 0.8 averageShaun Alexander 11 att 33 yds 3.0 averageRudi Johnson 6 att -5 yds -0.8 averageDominic Rhodes 10 att 25 yds 2.5 average
JWB already hit this softball out of the park, but this was really, really badMcNair "loves to throw to his TE"??? Did I read that right? Can anyone even remember the last time TEN had a top 10 TE?! Maybe 10 years ago when he was an inexperienced QB... you had a better shot with Heap if Boller was the starter still...
Yes this almost makes HKs flimsy position seem less ubsurd by comparison. But not really.JWB already hit this softball out of the park, but this was really, really badMcNair "loves to throw to his TE"??? Did I read that right? Can anyone even remember the last time TEN had a top 10 TE?! Maybe 10 years ago when he was an inexperienced QB... you had a better shot with Heap if Boller was the starter still...
H.K. said:CT's preseason #'s
19 carries
54 yards
2.8 YPC
3 rec.
15 yards
5.0 YPR
:X :X :X :X :X![]()
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CT's preseason FactsLook at the Facts: Taylor is hurt and the other RB's are impressing in his absence. The Depth Chart is undetermined at this point, but a player who can't (or won't) come out of the trainers' room is not going to win a starting role. Again, CT will not start week one, its already over for him.
His 22 touches in two halves have equaled 9.9 FF points. Extrapolated over 16 games that's 158.4, good for RB 26 last season.so far he has played 2 halves of football, with 22 touches. That would put him in that sweet spot of 20-30 touches per game( likely avg closer to 22 or so) that his coaches have been promising to get him since the day they signed him to be the feature back.

You know your position is like clinging to the driftwood of a sinking ship here.Only a significant injury to Taylor is going to get you back on dry land.His 22 touches in two halves have equaled 9.9 FF points. Extrapolated over 16 games that's 158.4, good for RB 26 last season.so far he has played 2 halves of football, with 22 touches. That would put him in that sweet spot of 20-30 touches per game( likely avg closer to 22 or so) that his coaches have been promising to get him since the day they signed him to be the feature back.![]()

Yes, because 2.8 YPC has him firmly on path to supplant Emmitt Smith as the leagues all-time rusher.You know your position is like clinging to the driftwood of a sinking ship here.Only a significant injury to Taylor is going to get you back on dry land.![]()
