chester taylor ? (1 Viewer)

[Tuomi]

Taylor was considered heading into this season as one of the top breakout RB's based on his past performance in a limited role in Baltimore and the addition of All-Pro OG Hutchinson and Tony Richardson at FB. Then Taylor showed up to mini-camp out of shape. This despite the fact that he was going into a situation where he would be expected to carry the ball 20-25 times per game. Fast forward to the pre-season where he just turned in a stellar 10 for 27 performance last night against the Ravens and is averaging just 2.8 yards per carry.I watched the Vikings first preseason game as Taylor was one of the guys I was potentially targeting in my drafts. I was suprised to see that he looked slow and just not that impressive. Based on that, I avoided the guy like a plague in all of my drafts and based on his continued struggles in the preseason, it looks like that was a good decision. I don't know MeMo's injury status, but I wouldn't be shocked if he eventually passed Taylor on the depth chart sometime this season.

Pre-season totals:29 carries for 81 yards @ 2.8 YPC4 recepts for 21 yards @ 5.25 YPRAnyone else concerned yet?

Against Pitt and Balt starting D Not too concerned about not being able to run against those guys in preseason. Personally, I think run defense is easier to have at the beginning of the year than run offense especially with a couple new guys in the mix.

 

[H.K.]

Pre-season totals:

29 carries for 81 yards @ 2.8 YPC

4 recepts for 21 yards @ 5.25 YPR

Anyone else concerned yet?

Against Pitt and Balt starting D Not too concerned about not being able to run against those guys in preseason. Personally, I think run defense is easier to have at the beginning of the year than run offense especially with a couple new guys in the mix.

Have you watched him? Per e-gato's post, he does not look too quick.

Also, MLBrandow provided an excellent analysis of his time in Baltimore that showed a negative trend in his rushing YPC in the second half of games. Historically he has not been the type of back to get stronger as a game goes on. a la Jamal Lewis. On the contrary, Taylor gets worse.

 

[Tuomi]

Pre-season totals:

29 carries for 81 yards @ 2.8 YPC

4 recepts for 21 yards @ 5.25 YPR

Anyone else concerned yet?

Against Pitt and Balt starting D Not too concerned about not being able to run against those guys in preseason. Personally, I think run defense is easier to have at the beginning of the year than run offense especially with a couple new guys in the mix.

Have you watched him? Per e-gato's post, he does not look too quick.

Also, MLBrandow provided an excellent analysis of his time in Baltimore that showed a negative trend in his rushing YPC in the second half of games. Historically he has not been the type of back to get stronger as a game goes on. a la Jamal Lewis. On the contrary, Taylor gets worse.

I watched the Baltimore game. He didn't have a lot of room to run, so maybe he isn't a guy that makes something out of nothing. As for the 2nd half of you post. I didn't know that, but I was simply stating that I'm not worried about his production after two preseason games against two very good defenses.

 

[Peyton Marino]

Taylor was considered heading into this season as one of the top breakout RB's based on his past performance in a limited role in Baltimore and the addition of All-Pro OG Hutchinson and Tony Richardson at FB. Then Taylor showed up to mini-camp out of shape. This despite the fact that he was going into a situation where he would be expected to carry the ball 20-25 times per game. Fast forward to the pre-season where he just turned in a stellar 10 for 27 performance last night against the Ravens and is averaging just 2.8 yards per carry.I watched the Vikings first preseason game as Taylor was one of the guys I was potentially targeting in my drafts. I was suprised to see that he looked slow and just not that impressive. Based on that, I avoided the guy like a plague in all of my drafts and based on his continued struggles in the preseason, it looks like that was a good decision. I don't know MeMo's injury status, but I wouldn't be shocked if he eventually passed Taylor on the depth chart sometime this season.

Pre-season totals:29 carries for 81 yards @ 2.8 YPC4 recepts for 21 yards @ 5.25 YPRAnyone else concerned yet?

i always love when someone busts out the preseason stats and asks "anyone else concerned" or "anyone else still doubting this guy?"

 

[Ron_Mexico]

he looks terrible in preseason..Moore and Fason both figure to see planty of action , especially at the goalline..IMO, all I'm seeing is a 3-way RBBC in Minnesota in 2006..

concur

 

[Biabreakable]

I do believe the "analysis" of Taylors splits after 10 carries based on 2005 game against the Steelers and Broncos (both top run defenses)has been debunked by looking at his performance in splits of carries over 10 from 2004.

Again a weak ypc argument based on a small sample size. Once the sample size is expanded to include more data it shows Taylors ypc evening out to a higher quality closer to his career average which is 4.3

 

[SteelerMurf]

Taylor was considered heading into this season as one of the top breakout RB's based on his past performance in a limited role in Baltimore and the addition of All-Pro OG Hutchinson and Tony Richardson at FB. Then Taylor showed up to mini-camp out of shape. This despite the fact that he was going into a situation where he would be expected to carry the ball 20-25 times per game. Fast forward to the pre-season where he just turned in a stellar 10 for 27 performance last night against the Ravens and is averaging just 2.8 yards per carry.I watched the Vikings first preseason game as Taylor was one of the guys I was potentially targeting in my drafts. I was suprised to see that he looked slow and just not that impressive. Based on that, I avoided the guy like a plague in all of my drafts and based on his continued struggles in the preseason, it looks like that was a good decision. I don't know MeMo's injury status, but I wouldn't be shocked if he eventually passed Taylor on the depth chart sometime this season.

Pre-season totals:29 carries for 81 yards @ 2.8 YPC4 recepts for 21 yards @ 5.25 YPRAnyone else concerned yet?

Against Pitt and Balt starting D Not too concerned about not being able to run against those guys in preseason. Personally, I think run defense is easier to have at the beginning of the year than run offense especially with a couple new guys in the mix.

Shhhh, don't tell anyone else in your league, but Taylor had a 30 some yard rush called back vs. Pitt.He will be a solid yardage guy for sure. And PPR gold. Think Westbrook.

 

[Biabreakable]

Taylor was considered heading into this season as one of the top breakout RB's based on his past performance in a limited role in Baltimore and the addition of All-Pro OG Hutchinson and Tony Richardson at FB. Then Taylor showed up to mini-camp out of shape. This despite the fact that he was going into a situation where he would be expected to carry the ball 20-25 times per game. Fast forward to the pre-season where he just turned in a stellar 10 for 27 performance last night against the Ravens and is averaging just 2.8 yards per carry.I watched the Vikings first preseason game as Taylor was one of the guys I was potentially targeting in my drafts. I was suprised to see that he looked slow and just not that impressive. Based on that, I avoided the guy like a plague in all of my drafts and based on his continued struggles in the preseason, it looks like that was a good decision. I don't know MeMo's injury status, but I wouldn't be shocked if he eventually passed Taylor on the depth chart sometime this season.

Pre-season totals:29 carries for 81 yards @ 2.8 YPC4 recepts for 21 yards @ 5.25 YPRAnyone else concerned yet?

Against Pitt and Balt starting D Not too concerned about not being able to run against those guys in preseason. Personally, I think run defense is easier to have at the beginning of the year than run offense especially with a couple new guys in the mix.

Shhhh, don't tell anyone else in your league, but Taylor had a 30 some yard rush called back vs. Pitt.He will be a solid yardage guy for sure. And PPR gold. Think Westbrook.

Shush yorself As has allready been stated the Vikings have been running Taylor right side almost every play trying to develop the blocking on the right side of the line for balance. The one carry Taylor had to the left last night went for 6 yards. They will be running behind Hutchinson a lot more in real games. The Vikings are just trying to develop the guys on the right for balance later. They know the blocking will be there on the left allready.

 

[softball]

Pre-season totals:

29 carries for 81 yards @ 2.8 YPC

4 recepts for 21 yards @ 5.25 YPR

Anyone else concerned yet?

Against Pitt and Balt starting D Not too concerned about not being able to run against those guys in preseason. Personally, I think run defense is easier to have at the beginning of the year than run offense especially with a couple new guys in the mix.

Have you watched him? Per e-gato's post, he does not look too quick.

Also, MLBrandow provided an excellent analysis of his time in Baltimore that showed a negative trend in his rushing YPC in the second half of games. Historically he has not been the type of back to get stronger as a game goes on. a la Jamal Lewis. On the contrary, Taylor gets worse.

I watched the Baltimore game. He didn't have a lot of room to run, so maybe he isn't a guy that makes something out of nothing. As for the 2nd half of you post. I didn't know that, but I was simply stating that I'm not worried about his production after two preseason games against two very good defenses.

There is no evidence he will be any good, and if he's playing the Steelers and ravens, then i want to see him be really good. Not just excuse his performance because it's the Steelers and Ravens...

 

[Interseptopus]

He does look pretty bad. I will give all the haters that. 2.8 yards per carry and it's been 3 preseason games so far. Not what you want to see from a back who was supposed to shoot up the rankings. I've moved to "on the fence" with Taylor...

I just think that there's not much to judge when he plays 2 of the best Ds in the league. Look at his regular season schedule- it's a cake walk. That's about the only defense I can come up with him right now... he's playing probably the hardest games he'll have to play all season. I just hope he has value in a PPR come September...

 

[H.K.]

I think I've changed my mind on CT. I think he is gonna catch a lot of balls and have a good year.

I'll still honor my bets, but I'm starting to warm up to his situation some....

 

[eoMMan]

I think I've changed my mind on CT. I think he is gonna catch a lot of balls and have a good year.I'll still honor my bets, but I'm starting to warm up to his situation some....

Too funny......

 

[jafo]

What changed your mind H.K.? Pinkston was just signed, but I doubt that would be the reason.

 

[H.K.]

What changed your mind H.K.? Pinkston was just signed, but I doubt that would be the reason.

Not sure...I don't have him on any of my teams now, so he'll probably blow up.

 

[ratdog]

Taylor was considered heading into this season as one of the top breakout RB's based on his past performance in a limited role in Baltimore and the addition of All-Pro OG Hutchinson and Tony Richardson at FB. Then Taylor showed up to mini-camp out of shape. This despite the fact that he was going into a situation where he would be expected to carry the ball 20-25 times per game. Fast forward to the pre-season where he just turned in a stellar 10 for 27 performance last night against the Ravens and is averaging just 2.8 yards per carry.I watched the Vikings first preseason game as Taylor was one of the guys I was potentially targeting in my drafts. I was suprised to see that he looked slow and just not that impressive. Based on that, I avoided the guy like a plague in all of my drafts and based on his continued struggles in the preseason, it looks like that was a good decision. I don't know MeMo's injury status, but I wouldn't be shocked if he eventually passed Taylor on the depth chart sometime this season.

Pre-season totals:29 carries for 81 yards @ 2.8 YPCSounds like buy low is about to get better.I passed on HOLT in the 3rd and took Bush. I didn't think there would be any good backs left. to my joy taylor was there in the 4th. seems to be dropping.good4 recepts for 21 yards @ 5.25 YPRAnyone else concerned yet?

i always love when someone busts out the preseason stats and asks "anyone else concerned" or "anyone else still doubting this guy?"

 

[Pole Cat]

How I feel about him depends on how I feel about others being drafted around the same spot. Right now he's in Foster, Droughns, Bush territory. These guys all drive me nuts. Think I'd have to go:

1. Foster

2. Taylor

3. Bush

4. Droughns

 

[BoulderBob]

Take the elite talent...Bush all day...Taylor does have the opportunity, but he is an average back.

 

[hotdogcollars]

depends on who you get in front of him, but i'd have no problem with either Taylor or Droughans as my RB2. I'd probably take Taylor over any of the guys mentioned here b/c of PPR.

FYI, at least in every league i've drafted in so far, Bush is gone by the time Rd3 rolls around.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

Wow, an 11 page Chester Taylor thread that I have not thrown my hat in the ring.

Taylor is a back who does everything well. He has great hands, is tough up the middle and has enough speed to get outside. That said, he is not a spectacular runner and is not likely to post any games of 150 yards and 3 TD's.

However, since he has very little competition (Fason and MeMo), he is likely to score fantasy points on sheer volume alone (think LaMont Jordan last year). I will take a guy who is almost a stone cold lock for 320 touches over guys like Bush and Foster who I don't see getting nearly that many, either because of competition in the backfield (Bush and foster to some extent) and injury (Foster).

I will not draft any Browns, so Droughns doesn't enter my equation.

 

[jdraiders]

Taylor was considered heading into this season as one of the top breakout RB's based on his past performance in a limited role in Baltimore and the addition of All-Pro OG Hutchinson and Tony Richardson at FB. Then Taylor showed up to mini-camp out of shape. This despite the fact that he was going into a situation where he would be expected to carry the ball 20-25 times per game. Fast forward to the pre-season where he just turned in a stellar 10 for 27 performance last night against the Ravens and is averaging just 2.8 yards per carry.I watched the Vikings first preseason game as Taylor was one of the guys I was potentially targeting in my drafts. I was suprised to see that he looked slow and just not that impressive. Based on that, I avoided the guy like a plague in all of my drafts and based on his continued struggles in the preseason, it looks like that was a good decision. I don't know MeMo's injury status, but I wouldn't be shocked if he eventually passed Taylor on the depth chart sometime this season.

Pre-season totals:29 carries for 81 yards @ 2.8 YPC4 recepts for 21 yards @ 5.25 YPRAnyone else concerned yet?

Against Pitt and Balt starting D Not too concerned about not being able to run against those guys in preseason. Personally, I think run defense is easier to have at the beginning of the year than run offense especially with a couple new guys in the mix.

Shhhh, don't tell anyone else in your league, but Taylor had a 30 some yard rush called back vs. Pitt.He will be a solid yardage guy for sure. And PPR gold. Think Westbrook.

Shush yorself As has allready been stated the Vikings have been running Taylor right side almost every play trying to develop the blocking on the right side of the line for balance. The one carry Taylor had to the left last night went for 6 yards. They will be running behind Hutchinson a lot more in real games. The Vikings are just trying to develop the guys on the right for balance later. They know the blocking will be there on the left allready.

That's an excellent point!

 

[oswizzle]

just remember the last time Baltimore traded away a RB to a team with a good offensive line....Padre Holmes!

 

[H.K.]

just remember the last time Baltimore traded away a RB to a team with a good offensive line....Padre Holmes!

Yep, the more I think about it, he's in line for at least 350 touches, probably closer to 400...Even if his averages aren't great, he's due for at least 1800 total yards. I think I missed the boat on this one.

 

[CrossEyed]

just remember the last time Baltimore traded away a RB to a team with a good offensive line....Padre Holmes!

Yep, the more I think about it, he's in line for at least 350 touches, probably closer to 400...Even if his averages aren't great, he's due for at least 1800 total yards. I think I missed the boat on this one.

I'm thinkin' closer to 500 touches.

 

[TURFPACK]

I think I've changed my mind on CT. I think he is gonna catch a lot of balls and have a good year.I'll still honor my bets, but I'm starting to warm up to his situation some....

It's to late H.K., you've already dug you grave.

 

[goonsquad]

just remember the last time Baltimore traded away a RB to a team with a good offensive line....Padre Holmes!

Yep, the more I think about it, he's in line for at least 350 touches, probably closer to 400...Even if his averages aren't great, he's due for at least 1800 total yards. I think I missed the boat on this one.

This is poor shtick. Please go back to being the crazy CT-hater, it has more legs. TIA.

 

[TeamDingo]

just remember the last time Baltimore traded away a RB to a team with a good offensive line....Padre Holmes!

Yep, the more I think about it, he's in line for at least 350 touches, probably closer to 400...Even if his averages aren't great, he's due for at least 1800 total yards. I think I missed the boat on this one.

 

[joffer]

just remember the last time Baltimore traded away a RB to a team with a good offensive line....Padre Holmes!

Yep, the more I think about it, he's in line for at least 350 touches, probably closer to 400...Even if his averages aren't great, he's due for at least 1800 total yards. I think I missed the boat on this one.

This is poor shtick.

i disagree. H.K.'s entertainment value is approaching jwdcwvdcwdcvwdw levels

 

[mektarus]

Alright, guys, how (if at all) does Pinner's signing effect Taylor's touches this year?

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

Alright, guys, how (if at all) does Pinner's signing effect Taylor's touches this year?

MeMo > Pinner

 

[Loan Sharks]

You guys are still thinking Taylor is gonna be a top rb? Only a few days left to eject.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

I think he'll be top ten at a top 20 price.

I've explained my reasons above.

 

[sjdogs]

gonna get his touches and tds but first 3 games are brutal

worth a shot over others in his tier bc the viks are going to give him every chance and the schedule gets good after week 3

 

[jestertj]

just remember the last time Baltimore traded away a RB to a team with a good offensive line....Padre Holmes!

Yep, the more I think about it, he's in line for at least 350 touches, probably closer to 400...Even if his averages aren't great, he's due for at least 1800 total yards. I think I missed the boat on this one.

 

[redman]

Taylor was considered heading into this season as one of the top breakout RB's based on his past performance in a limited role in Baltimore and the addition of All-Pro OG Hutchinson and Tony Richardson at FB. Then Taylor showed up to mini-camp out of shape. This despite the fact that he was going into a situation where he would be expected to carry the ball 20-25 times per game. Fast forward to the pre-season where he just turned in a stellar 10 for 27 performance last night against the Ravens and is averaging just 2.8 yards per carry.

I watched the Vikings first preseason game as Taylor was one of the guys I was potentially targeting in my drafts. I was suprised to see that he looked slow and just not that impressive. Based on that, I avoided the guy like a plague in all of my drafts and based on his continued struggles in the preseason, it looks like that was a good decision. I don't know MeMo's injury status, but I wouldn't be shocked if he eventually passed Taylor on the depth chart sometime this season.

Pre-season totals:29 carries for 81 yards @ 2.8 YPC

4 recepts for 21 yards @ 5.25 YPR

Anyone else concerned yet?

Against Pitt and Balt starting D Not too concerned about not being able to run against those guys in preseason. Personally, I think run defense is easier to have at the beginning of the year than run offense especially with a couple new guys in the mix.

Shhhh, don't tell anyone else in your league, but Taylor had a 30 some yard rush called back vs. Pitt.He will be a solid yardage guy for sure. And PPR gold. Think Westbrook.

Shush yorself As has allready been stated the Vikings have been running Taylor right side almost every play trying to develop the blocking on the right side of the line for balance. The one carry Taylor had to the left last night went for 6 yards. They will be running behind Hutchinson a lot more in real games. The Vikings are just trying to develop the guys on the right for balance later. They know the blocking will be there on the left allready.

That's an excellent point!

Except that I don't see this supported by the evidence. From the NFL Gamebooks for the last two preseason games (truncated to show Minnesota possessions with Taylor running, only):

Minnesota Vikings vs Dallas Cowboys at Texas

1st Quarter

Minnesota Vikings at 10:55

1-10-MIN 5 (10:55) 14-B.Johnson pass to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 16 for 11 yards (25-P.Watkins). Pass complete right flat. P1

1-10-MIN 16 (10:16) 29-C.Taylor right tackle to MIN 16 for no gain (98-G.Ellis).

2-10-MIN 16 (9:40) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 29-C.Taylor [94-D.Ware]. Pass thrown left sideline.

3-10-MIN 16 (9:38) (Shotgun) 14-B.Johnson pass to 89-T.Taylor to MIN 25 for 9 yards (26-A.Glenn) [98-G.Ellis]. Pass complete right flat.

4-1-MIN 25 (8:59) 5-C.Kluwe punts 42 yards to DAL 33, Center-46-C.Loeffler, out of bounds.

PENALTY on DAL-50-A.Ayodele, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DAL 33.

Minnesota Vikings at 3:53

1-10-MIN 2 (3:53) 49-T.Richardson up the middle to MIN 4 for 2 yards (98-G.Ellis; 50-A.Ayodele).

2-8-MIN 4 (3:18) 14-B.Johnson pass to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 15 for 11 yards (98-G.Ellis). Pass complete middle. P2

1-10-MIN 15 (2:43) 29-C.Taylor left tackle to MIN 12 for -3 yards (99-C.Canty).

2-13-MIN 12 (2:06) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to MIN 15 for 3 yards (95-J.Ferguson).

3-10-MIN 15 (1:26) (Shotgun) 14-B.Johnson pass to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 25 for 10 yards (25-P.Watkins; 66-J.Ratliff). Pass complete left side of the field. P3

1-10-MIN 25 45) 35-C.Fason left tackle to MIN 32 for 7 yards (56-B.James).

Score Time First Downs Efficiences

Quarter Summary Poss R P X T 3Down 4Down

Minnesota Vikings 0 5:57 0 3 0 3 1/2 0/0

Dallas Cowboys 0 9:03 1 3 0 4 1/3 0/0

Minnesota Vikings vs Dallas Cowboys at Texas

2nd Quarter

Minnesota Vikings continued.

2-3-MIN 32 (15:00) 29-C.Taylor right tackle to MIN 36 for 4 yards (50-A.Ayodele). R4 1-10-MIN 36 (14:23) 14-B.Johnson pass to 82-T.Williamson to DAL 24 for 40 yards (42-A.Henry). Pass complete on fly pattern left sideline. P5

1-10-DAL 24 (13:58) 14-B.Johnson pass to 87-M.Robinson for 24 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Pass caught on deep slant from right end. P6

8-R.Longwell extra point is GOOD, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Holder-5-C.Kluwe.

MIN 7 DAL 0, 9 plays, 98 yards, 4:59 drive, 1:06 elapsed

8-R.Longwell kicks 68 yards from MIN 30 to DAL 2. 28-T.Thompson pushed ob at DAL 48 for 46 yards (39-R.Whitaker). Return left side of the field.

Minnesota Vikings at 10:29

1-10-MIN 11 (10:29) 29-C.Taylor right tackle to MIN 16 for 5 yards (95-J.Ferguson).

2-5-MIN 16 (9:51) 29-C.Taylor left tackle to MIN 17 for 1 yard (99-C.Canty; 95-J.Ferguson). 3-4-MIN 17 (9:12) (Shotgun) 14-B.Johnson pass to 85-J.Wiggins to MIN 22 for 5 yards (31-R.Williams). P7

1-10-MIN 22 (8:33) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 29-C.Taylor. Pass incomplete right flat; Williams closest defender.

2-10-MIN 22 (8:24) 14-B.Johnson pass to 12-B.McMullen to MIN 28 for 6 yards (42-A.Henry). Pass complete left sideline.

3-4-MIN 28 (7:48) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to MIN 33 for 5 yards (57-K.Burnett). R8

1-10-MIN 33 (7:01) 14-B.Johnson pass to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 37 for 4 yards (41-T.Newman). Pass complete right flat.

2-6-MIN 37 (6:40) 35-C.Fason right end to MIN 38 for 1 yard (41-T.Newman).

3-5-MIN 38 (5:57) 14-B.Johnson pass to 87-M.Robinson to MIN 47 for 9 yards (41-T.Newman) [66-J.Ratliff]. P9

1-10-MIN 47 (5:18) 35-C.Fason up the middle to MIN 45 for -2 yards (31-R.Williams).

2-12-MIN 45 (4:38) 29-C.Taylor left end to MIN 44 for -1 yards (99-C.Canty).

3-13-MIN 44 (3:55) 14-B.Johnson pass to 12-B.McMullen to DAL 50 for 6 yards (41-T.Newman) [66-J.Ratliff].

4-7-DAL 50 (3:16) (Punt formation) 5-C.Kluwe punts 50 yards to end zone, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Touchback.

Baltimore Ravens vs Minnesota Vikings at Minneapolis

1st Quarter

MIN wins toss, elects to Receive, and BLT elects to defend the North goal.

4-S.Koch kicks 62 yards from BLT 30 to MIN 8. 34-W.Mathis to MIN 33 for 25 yards (29-D.Martin).

Minnesota Vikings at 15:00, (1st play from scrimmage 14:54)

1-10-MIN 33 (14:54) 14-B.Johnson pass short left to 40-J.Kleinsasser pushed ob at MIN 47 for 14 yards (20-E.Reed). P1

1-10-MIN 47 (14:28) 29-C.Taylor right guard to 50 for 3 yards (55-T.Suggs).

2-7-50 (13:48) 14-B.Johnson pass short left to 82-T.Williamson to BLT 32 for 18 yards (52-R.Lewis). P2

1-10-BLT 32 (13:16) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to BLT 30 for 2 yards (55-T.Suggs).

2-8-BLT 30 (12:38) 29-C.Taylor left guard to BLT 27 for 3 yards (52-R.Lewis).

3-5-BLT 27 (11:56) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 89-T.Taylor (22-S.Rolle).

4-5-BLT 27 (11:51) 8-R.Longwell 45 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Holder-5-C.Kluwe.

BLT 0 MIN 3, 7 plays, 40 yards, 3:13 drive, 3:13 elapsed

8-R.Longwell kicks 67 yards from MIN 30 to BLT 3. 36-B.Sams to BLT 26 for 23 yards (20-G.Blue).

Minnesota Vikings at 9:05

1-10-MIN 20 (9:05) 14-B.Johnson pass short left to 40-J.Kleinsasser to MIN 29 for 9 yards (22-S.Rolle).

2-1-MIN 29 (8:32) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to MIN 29 for no gain (57-B.Scott, 52-R.Lewis).

3-1-MIN 29 (7:59) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 89-T.Taylor [55-T.Suggs].

PENALTY on BLT-55-T.Suggs, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 29 - No Play. X3

1-10-MIN 44 (7:53) 29-C.Taylor right guard to MIN 46 for 2 yards (55-T.Suggs, 92-H.Ngata).

2-8-MIN 46 (7:15) 29-C.Taylor left end to BLT 48 for 6 yards (57-B.Scott).

3-2-BLT 48 (6:34) 14-B.Johnson pass to 89-T.Taylor to BLT 37 for 11 yards (26-D.Landry, 20-E.Reed). P4

1-10-BLT 37 (5:57) 14-B.Johnson pass to 35-C.Fason to BLT 32 for 5 yards (26-D.Landry).

2-5-BLT 32 (5:25) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 87-M.Robinson. Play Challenged by MIN and Upheld. (Timeout #1 by MIN.)

3-5-BLT 32 (5:19) 14-B.Johnson pass to 87-M.Robinson to BLT 25 for 7 yards (21-C.McAlister). P5

1-10-BLT 25 (4:41) 29-C.Taylor left tackle to BLT 24 for 1 yard (55-T.Suggs).

2-9-BLT 24 (4:05) 29-C.Taylor right end to BLT 22 for 2 yards (97-K.Gregg).

3-7-BLT 22 (3:25) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 89-T.Taylor.

4-7-BLT 22 (3:25) 8-R.Longwell 40 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Holder-5-C.Kluwe.

Minnesota Vikings at 1:48

1-10-MIN 22 (1:48) 14-B.Johnson pass to 82-T.Williamson to MIN 33 for 11 yards (52-R.Lewis). P6

1-10-MIN 33 (1:11) 14-B.Johnson pass to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 33 for no gain (52-R.Lewis).

PENALTY on MIN-72-M.Johnson, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at MIN 33 - No Play.

1-20-MIN 23 48) 29-C.Taylor right end to MIN 24 for 1 yard (52-R.Lewis).

2-19-MIN 24 06) 14-B.Johnson pass to 82-T.Williamson to MIN 33 for 9 yards (22-S.Rolle).

PENALTY on MIN-40-J.Kleinsasser, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at MIN 24 - No Play.

Score Time First Downs Efficiences

Quarter Summary Poss R P X T 3Down 4Down

Baltimore Ravens 0 4:10 0 0 1 1 0/2 0/0

Minnesota Vikings 3 10:50 0 5 1 6 2/4 0/0

Baltimore Ravens vs Minnesota Vikings at Minneapolis

2nd Quarter

Minnesota Vikings continued.

2-29-MIN 14 (15:00) 34-W.Mathis up the middle to MIN 19 for 5 yards (35-C.Ivy).

3-24-MIN 19 (14:24) (Shotgun) 14-B.Johnson pass short left to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 25 for 6 yards (55-T.Suggs).

4-18-MIN 25 (14:24) 5-C.Kluwe punts 57 yards to BLT 18, Center-46-C.Loeffler. 36-B.Sams to BLT 29 for 11 yards (45-R.Owens).

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Minnesota Vikings at 11:42

1-10-MIN 30 (11:42) 29-C.Taylor right tackle to MIN 37 for 7 yards (51-Mi.Smith, 97-K.Gregg).

2-3-MIN 37 (10:57) 14-B.Johnson sacked at MIN 32 for -5 yards (55-T.Suggs).

3-8-MIN 32 (10:20) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 34-W.Mathis.

4-8-MIN 32 (10:15) 5-C.Kluwe punts 46 yards to BLT 22, Center-46-C.Loeffler. 36-B.Sams to BLT 29 for 7 yards (45-R.Owens).

All I'm seeing evidence of, even when you look at the other RB's carries, is a team running in every direction.

 

[mightyeskimo]

Taylor, to me, did not look very good in the pre-season. 37 carries and only 2.6 ypc with no TD's. He got significant carries compared to other backs and didn't really show much. Maybe he's a late bloomer.

 

[Vikingship]

As has allready been stated the Vikings have been running Taylor right side almost every play trying to develop the blocking on the right side of the line for balance. The one carry Taylor had to the left last night went for 6 yards. They will be running behind Hutchinson a lot more in real games. The Vikings are just trying to develop the guys on the right for balance later. They know the blocking will be there on the left allready.

As a Taylor owner and Minnesota homer I'd like to believe this, but I'm not sure the facts support it. You got me curious, though, so I checked the play-by-play logs at NFL.com for the entire Viking preseason and tallied the totals. Here's what I found for Taylor's performance: Left side of the line: 11 carries for 20 yards (1.8 yards per carry) Up the middle: 9 carries for 18 yards (2.0 yards per carry) Right side of the line: 16 carries for 40 yards (2.5 yards per carry)I'll also note that these totals do NOT include a 17 yard run against Pittsburgh because the log did not specify which side of the line the carry went through.I know the coaching staff and even the players have at least shown some concern about the running game, although it seems to be focused on the offensive line and not Taylor. After game 3 in particular, Childress stated that Taylor did well just to get one and two yard runs in the face of the lack of good blocking. Also after this game, FB Richardson noted he'd spoken with Taylor: "I was telling Chester, 'I'm new, you're new, hey, we're all new,' " fullback Tony Richardson said. "Running the ball is not an easy thing to do in the National Football League. But we do have the guys who can do it once we work it all out. You'll see."For my part, I'm cautiously optimistic that things will work out for Taylor in the long run. In his favor: - Great schedule after the first few games - Solid Offensive line (on paper) that will certainly improve as the year progresses - The four preseason games were played against some decent defenses vs the run, especially during weeks 2 and 3. In 2005, Oakland ranked 25th, Pittsburgh was 3rd, Baltimore was 9th, and Dallas was 15th. - Matt Birk did not play in the fourth preseason game (flu), negatively impacting Taylor's stats in that contest - The job is Taylor's to lose...he's the undisputed #1 RB - He has certainly gotten the rushing attempts in the preseason games--between 8 and 10 carries in every game despite limited action - Although he has not consistently been employed as a receiver, he has shown some promise as he went from zero receptions in game 1 to 4 receptions for 36 yards in game 4 A flashy back, Taylor ain't. But for 2006 I'm thinking he'll be a fairly steady contributor...maybe not the best RB2 out there, but worthy of the spot nonetheless.

 

[Banger]

If he stays healthy he'll get 1150 on the ground and 300 receiving 5 td's at a minimum. The Vikes are gonna run the ball and he's their horse. He may have '05 McGahee/Jordan YPC #'s but he'll also get a ton of touches so his #'s should bare out about the same.

The thing he has going for him and the reason I've liked his situation all offseason is the line. They've yet to come together and play as a cohesive line but there are a bunch of new players, new system, new coach, etc. and it may take more than a month to gel. After the 1st qtr, even though they have some tough games I'd expect to see them playing better as a unit.

 

[shadyridr]

Before the preseason I thought Taylor would be a GREAT RB2 but now Im thinking he turns out to be a bust. Am I the only one concerned that Minnesota's WRs are Williamson and Taylor? And their QB is Brad Johnson? I think defenses will be stacking the line all year long and I think Taylor has 0 running room all year. Thats just my opinion. We'll see how things turn out.

 

[shadyridr]

That being said he might be a great buy low candidate after the 1st month

 

[seesean]

""- Great schedule after the first few games

- Solid Offensive line (on paper) that will certainly improve as the year progresses

- The four preseason games were played against some decent defenses vs the run, especially during weeks 2 and 3. In 2005, Oakland ranked 25th, Pittsburgh was 3rd, Baltimore was 9th, and Dallas was 15th.

- Matt Birk did not play in the fourth preseason game (flu), negatively impacting Taylor's stats in that contest

- The job is Taylor's to lose...he's the undisputed #1 RB

- He has certainly gotten the rushing attempts in the preseason games--between 8 and 10 carries in every game despite limited action

- Although he has not consistently been employed as a receiver, he has shown some promise as he went from zero receptions in game 1 to 4 receptions for 36 yards in game 4

A flashy back, Taylor ain't. But for 2006 I'm thinking he'll be a fairly steady contributor...maybe not the best RB2 out there, but worthy of the spot nonetheless.""



Also the fact that B.Johnson is on his game (and stays on his game) will only help Chestor get to those numbers

*cross fingers*

 

[H.K.]

Any word on the Pinner signing and what his role may be with the team (other than provide a DET scouting report)?

 

[TeamDingo]

Any word on the Pinner signing and what his role may be with the team (other than provide a DET scouting report)?

DepthWaiver pickups bolster depth at two positions

http://www.startribune.com/510/story/654069.html

Meanwhile, the Vikings hope Pinner and Baker will provide depth at two positions that appeared light after the initial cutdown Saturday to 53 players. Pinner, 28, was the Lions' second-leading rusher in 2005, finishing with 394 yards, and he will push Mewelde Moore and Ciatrick Fason for carries behind starter Chester Taylor. Moore missed the final three preseason games because of a sprained knee.

 

[Biabreakable]

Taylor was considered heading into this season as one of the top breakout RB's based on his past performance in a limited role in Baltimore and the addition of All-Pro OG Hutchinson and Tony Richardson at FB. Then Taylor showed up to mini-camp out of shape. This despite the fact that he was going into a situation where he would be expected to carry the ball 20-25 times per game. Fast forward to the pre-season where he just turned in a stellar 10 for 27 performance last night against the Ravens and is averaging just 2.8 yards per carry.

I watched the Vikings first preseason game as Taylor was one of the guys I was potentially targeting in my drafts. I was suprised to see that he looked slow and just not that impressive. Based on that, I avoided the guy like a plague in all of my drafts and based on his continued struggles in the preseason, it looks like that was a good decision. I don't know MeMo's injury status, but I wouldn't be shocked if he eventually passed Taylor on the depth chart sometime this season.

Pre-season totals:29 carries for 81 yards @ 2.8 YPC

4 recepts for 21 yards @ 5.25 YPR

Anyone else concerned yet?

Against Pitt and Balt starting D Not too concerned about not being able to run against those guys in preseason. Personally, I think run defense is easier to have at the beginning of the year than run offense especially with a couple new guys in the mix.

Shhhh, don't tell anyone else in your league, but Taylor had a 30 some yard rush called back vs. Pitt.He will be a solid yardage guy for sure. And PPR gold. Think Westbrook.

Shush yorself As has allready been stated the Vikings have been running Taylor right side almost every play trying to develop the blocking on the right side of the line for balance. The one carry Taylor had to the left last night went for 6 yards. They will be running behind Hutchinson a lot more in real games. The Vikings are just trying to develop the guys on the right for balance later. They know the blocking will be there on the left allready.

That's an excellent point!

Except that I don't see this supported by the evidence. From the NFL Gamebooks for the last two preseason games (truncated to show Minnesota possessions with Taylor running, only):

Minnesota Vikings vs Dallas Cowboys at Texas

1st Quarter

Minnesota Vikings at 10:55

1-10-MIN 5 (10:55) 14-B.Johnson pass to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 16 for 11 yards (25-P.Watkins). Pass complete right flat. P1

1-10-MIN 16 (10:16) 29-C.Taylor right tackle to MIN 16 for no gain (98-G.Ellis).

2-10-MIN 16 (9:40) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 29-C.Taylor [94-D.Ware]. Pass thrown left sideline.

3-10-MIN 16 (9:38) (Shotgun) 14-B.Johnson pass to 89-T.Taylor to MIN 25 for 9 yards (26-A.Glenn) [98-G.Ellis]. Pass complete right flat.

4-1-MIN 25 (8:59) 5-C.Kluwe punts 42 yards to DAL 33, Center-46-C.Loeffler, out of bounds.

PENALTY on DAL-50-A.Ayodele, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at DAL 33.

Minnesota Vikings at 3:53

1-10-MIN 2 (3:53) 49-T.Richardson up the middle to MIN 4 for 2 yards (98-G.Ellis; 50-A.Ayodele).

2-8-MIN 4 (3:18) 14-B.Johnson pass to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 15 for 11 yards (98-G.Ellis). Pass complete middle. P2

1-10-MIN 15 (2:43) 29-C.Taylor left tackle to MIN 12 for -3 yards (99-C.Canty).

2-13-MIN 12 (2:06) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to MIN 15 for 3 yards (95-J.Ferguson).

3-10-MIN 15 (1:26) (Shotgun) 14-B.Johnson pass to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 25 for 10 yards (25-P.Watkins; 66-J.Ratliff). Pass complete left side of the field. P3

1-10-MIN 25 45) 35-C.Fason left tackle to MIN 32 for 7 yards (56-B.James).

Score Time First Downs Efficiences

Quarter Summary Poss R P X T 3Down 4Down

Minnesota Vikings 0 5:57 0 3 0 3 1/2 0/0

Dallas Cowboys 0 9:03 1 3 0 4 1/3 0/0

Minnesota Vikings vs Dallas Cowboys at Texas

2nd Quarter

Minnesota Vikings continued.

2-3-MIN 32 (15:00) 29-C.Taylor right tackle to MIN 36 for 4 yards (50-A.Ayodele). R4 1-10-MIN 36 (14:23) 14-B.Johnson pass to 82-T.Williamson to DAL 24 for 40 yards (42-A.Henry). Pass complete on fly pattern left sideline. P5

1-10-DAL 24 (13:58) 14-B.Johnson pass to 87-M.Robinson for 24 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Pass caught on deep slant from right end. P6

8-R.Longwell extra point is GOOD, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Holder-5-C.Kluwe.

MIN 7 DAL 0, 9 plays, 98 yards, 4:59 drive, 1:06 elapsed

8-R.Longwell kicks 68 yards from MIN 30 to DAL 2. 28-T.Thompson pushed ob at DAL 48 for 46 yards (39-R.Whitaker). Return left side of the field.

Minnesota Vikings at 10:29

1-10-MIN 11 (10:29) 29-C.Taylor right tackle to MIN 16 for 5 yards (95-J.Ferguson).

2-5-MIN 16 (9:51) 29-C.Taylor left tackle to MIN 17 for 1 yard (99-C.Canty; 95-J.Ferguson). 3-4-MIN 17 (9:12) (Shotgun) 14-B.Johnson pass to 85-J.Wiggins to MIN 22 for 5 yards (31-R.Williams). P7

1-10-MIN 22 (8:33) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 29-C.Taylor. Pass incomplete right flat; Williams closest defender.

2-10-MIN 22 (8:24) 14-B.Johnson pass to 12-B.McMullen to MIN 28 for 6 yards (42-A.Henry). Pass complete left sideline.

3-4-MIN 28 (7:48) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to MIN 33 for 5 yards (57-K.Burnett). R8

1-10-MIN 33 (7:01) 14-B.Johnson pass to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 37 for 4 yards (41-T.Newman). Pass complete right flat.

2-6-MIN 37 (6:40) 35-C.Fason right end to MIN 38 for 1 yard (41-T.Newman).

3-5-MIN 38 (5:57) 14-B.Johnson pass to 87-M.Robinson to MIN 47 for 9 yards (41-T.Newman) [66-J.Ratliff]. P9

1-10-MIN 47 (5:18) 35-C.Fason up the middle to MIN 45 for -2 yards (31-R.Williams).

2-12-MIN 45 (4:38) 29-C.Taylor left end to MIN 44 for -1 yards (99-C.Canty).

3-13-MIN 44 (3:55) 14-B.Johnson pass to 12-B.McMullen to DAL 50 for 6 yards (41-T.Newman) [66-J.Ratliff].

4-7-DAL 50 (3:16) (Punt formation) 5-C.Kluwe punts 50 yards to end zone, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Touchback.

Baltimore Ravens vs Minnesota Vikings at Minneapolis

1st Quarter

MIN wins toss, elects to Receive, and BLT elects to defend the North goal.

4-S.Koch kicks 62 yards from BLT 30 to MIN 8. 34-W.Mathis to MIN 33 for 25 yards (29-D.Martin).

Minnesota Vikings at 15:00, (1st play from scrimmage 14:54)

1-10-MIN 33 (14:54) 14-B.Johnson pass short left to 40-J.Kleinsasser pushed ob at MIN 47 for 14 yards (20-E.Reed). P1

1-10-MIN 47 (14:28) 29-C.Taylor right guard to 50 for 3 yards (55-T.Suggs).

2-7-50 (13:48) 14-B.Johnson pass short left to 82-T.Williamson to BLT 32 for 18 yards (52-R.Lewis). P2

1-10-BLT 32 (13:16) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to BLT 30 for 2 yards (55-T.Suggs).

2-8-BLT 30 (12:38) 29-C.Taylor left guard to BLT 27 for 3 yards (52-R.Lewis).

3-5-BLT 27 (11:56) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 89-T.Taylor (22-S.Rolle).

4-5-BLT 27 (11:51) 8-R.Longwell 45 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Holder-5-C.Kluwe.

BLT 0 MIN 3, 7 plays, 40 yards, 3:13 drive, 3:13 elapsed

8-R.Longwell kicks 67 yards from MIN 30 to BLT 3. 36-B.Sams to BLT 26 for 23 yards (20-G.Blue).

Minnesota Vikings at 9:05

1-10-MIN 20 (9:05) 14-B.Johnson pass short left to 40-J.Kleinsasser to MIN 29 for 9 yards (22-S.Rolle).

2-1-MIN 29 (8:32) 29-C.Taylor up the middle to MIN 29 for no gain (57-B.Scott, 52-R.Lewis).

3-1-MIN 29 (7:59) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 89-T.Taylor [55-T.Suggs].

PENALTY on BLT-55-T.Suggs, Unnecessary Roughness, 15 yards, enforced at MIN 29 - No Play. X3

1-10-MIN 44 (7:53) 29-C.Taylor right guard to MIN 46 for 2 yards (55-T.Suggs, 92-H.Ngata).

2-8-MIN 46 (7:15) 29-C.Taylor left end to BLT 48 for 6 yards (57-B.Scott).

3-2-BLT 48 (6:34) 14-B.Johnson pass to 89-T.Taylor to BLT 37 for 11 yards (26-D.Landry, 20-E.Reed). P4

1-10-BLT 37 (5:57) 14-B.Johnson pass to 35-C.Fason to BLT 32 for 5 yards (26-D.Landry).

2-5-BLT 32 (5:25) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 87-M.Robinson. Play Challenged by MIN and Upheld. (Timeout #1 by MIN.)

3-5-BLT 32 (5:19) 14-B.Johnson pass to 87-M.Robinson to BLT 25 for 7 yards (21-C.McAlister). P5

1-10-BLT 25 (4:41) 29-C.Taylor left tackle to BLT 24 for 1 yard (55-T.Suggs).

2-9-BLT 24 (4:05) 29-C.Taylor right end to BLT 22 for 2 yards (97-K.Gregg).

3-7-BLT 22 (3:25) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 89-T.Taylor.

4-7-BLT 22 (3:25) 8-R.Longwell 40 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Right, Center-46-C.Loeffler, Holder-5-C.Kluwe.

Minnesota Vikings at 1:48

1-10-MIN 22 (1:48) 14-B.Johnson pass to 82-T.Williamson to MIN 33 for 11 yards (52-R.Lewis). P6

1-10-MIN 33 (1:11) 14-B.Johnson pass to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 33 for no gain (52-R.Lewis).

PENALTY on MIN-72-M.Johnson, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at MIN 33 - No Play.

1-20-MIN 23 48) 29-C.Taylor right end to MIN 24 for 1 yard (52-R.Lewis).

2-19-MIN 24 06) 14-B.Johnson pass to 82-T.Williamson to MIN 33 for 9 yards (22-S.Rolle).

PENALTY on MIN-40-J.Kleinsasser, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at MIN 24 - No Play.

Score Time First Downs Efficiences

Quarter Summary Poss R P X T 3Down 4Down

Baltimore Ravens 0 4:10 0 0 1 1 0/2 0/0

Minnesota Vikings 3 10:50 0 5 1 6 2/4 0/0

Baltimore Ravens vs Minnesota Vikings at Minneapolis

2nd Quarter

Minnesota Vikings continued.

2-29-MIN 14 (15:00) 34-W.Mathis up the middle to MIN 19 for 5 yards (35-C.Ivy).

3-24-MIN 19 (14:24) (Shotgun) 14-B.Johnson pass short left to 29-C.Taylor to MIN 25 for 6 yards (55-T.Suggs).

4-18-MIN 25 (14:24) 5-C.Kluwe punts 57 yards to BLT 18, Center-46-C.Loeffler. 36-B.Sams to BLT 29 for 11 yards (45-R.Owens).

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Minnesota Vikings at 11:42

1-10-MIN 30 (11:42) 29-C.Taylor right tackle to MIN 37 for 7 yards (51-Mi.Smith, 97-K.Gregg).

2-3-MIN 37 (10:57) 14-B.Johnson sacked at MIN 32 for -5 yards (55-T.Suggs).

3-8-MIN 32 (10:20) 14-B.Johnson pass incomplete to 34-W.Mathis.

4-8-MIN 32 (10:15) 5-C.Kluwe punts 46 yards to BLT 22, Center-46-C.Loeffler. 36-B.Sams to BLT 29 for 7 yards (45-R.Owens).

All I'm seeing evidence of, even when you look at the other RB's carries, is a team running in every direction.

Okay 8 runs right side 6 left 4 middle. Could look at the rest of the games and see if this slight tendecy to run right becomes more predominant or not. I am not sure. And it is preseason so who cares? Now that the games count I assure you that the Vikings will run more predominantly to the left side and create schemes and mismatches around this tendency.My point was that the Vikings are focusing more on trying to run right than left in practice/game situations because the OLine on the right is not as proven as Hutch/McKinnie are. And that also blocking schemes are much more vanila than they will be when the Vikings play the Redskins in a few days here.

There will be a lot more motion and multiple sets for example.

The Vikings have Kliensasser and T. Richardson. Both of them are elite blocking FB/TE. Using them in motion to overstack sides and also pulling in tandem with Hutch/Birk is going to create some very favorable blocking for Taylor.

Taylor is a versitile but also a no nonsense Rb. He will take his 2 or 3 yards when nothing is there. But when the blocking works big plays are going to be sprung.

I still don't think the Oline is where the coaching staff wants them to be. It is hard to know how long it will take for them to develop and mesh as a unit. They still may not have the personel on the roster or sufficently trained up to where they want them to be yet. Particularly on the right side.

ETA- thanks Vikingship for breaking down the rest of the games.

What I am talking about as far as a tendency to run left will not be a suprise for DC game planning against the Vikings. They do not have much useful game film yet but they soon will. This is why it is important for the Vikings to develop successful blocking to the right side to keep the defense honest. If they do not succeed in this then the defense will be able to stack left and put themselves in better position to snuff out the left side running plays.

Counter plays and misdirection will become more effective as staple runs do. Which will force the defense to align themselves against the strengths and tendencies once they are established. Then in turn can be taken advantage of by the counters as long as the right side of the Oline sufficently does thier job.

When Sause and T. Rich are both on the field, which I expect them to be for a majority of the plays, the Vikings have 7 blockers for the defenses front 7 defenders. On outside runs they will have mismatches with blockers on defensive backs. If/When the line starts workin as a unit they are going to force a lot of defensive backs to make tackles. Not many other teams have blockers of the quality that Sause/Richardon are who can effectivly take out Lbers by themselves. I remember a few years ago when Birk and Sause were taking turns putting Urlacher on his keister. Urlacher was not touching anything but grass in his facemask. That is where the Vikings want to be. It is up to the RT and RG to thier job so the rest can take advantage of the defense.

 

[Vikingship]

Before the preseason I thought Taylor would be a GREAT RB2 but now Im thinking he turns out to be a bust. Am I the only one concerned that Minnesota's WRs are Williamson and Taylor? And their QB is Brad Johnson? I think defenses will be stacking the line all year long and I think Taylor has 0 running room all year. Thats just my opinion. We'll see how things turn out.

I agree I'd feel better if Minnesota had better receivers and a better back-up QB situation. That said, think about Minnesota's situation last year after Culpepper was hurt in week 8. In many ways, it's identical: same QB in Brad Johnson and same receivers--defenses were free to stack the line and often did. Yet during that time (weeks 9-17), Minnesota RBs cumulatively tied for 15th in the NFL in terms of fantasy points Link. Last year this was irrelevant because of Minnesota's horrendous RBBC situation between Bennett, Moore, and Fason. This year, however, that will not be the case--as the clear #1 RB, I expect Taylor to get the bulk of these points. Furthermore, since last year the offensive line has been substantially improved and the addition of T. Richardson as a blocking back should help things out. Finally, the defense should be improved as well (this has so far been the team's most evident improvement during the offseason/preseason), and that should translate into more offensive time with the ball. I do understand your concerns, but I also see lots of room for some cautious optimism here.

 

[MLBrandow]

just remember the last time Baltimore traded away a RB to a team with a good offensive line....Padre Holmes!

Yep, the more I think about it, he's in line for at least 350 touches, probably closer to 400...Even if his averages aren't great, he's due for at least 1800 total yards. I think I missed the boat on this one.

I have been MIA the past few weeks and felt like checking back in on this thread...Is there sarcasm here?He has looked even worse than I thought from what I have seen.I thought we already addressed how Priest Holmes is wholly incomparable to Chester Taylor....What have I missed?I know it can't possibly be the game film that has changed your mind this preseason

 

[H.K.]

just remember the last time Baltimore traded away a RB to a team with a good offensive line....Padre Holmes!

Yep, the more I think about it, he's in line for at least 350 touches, probably closer to 400...Even if his averages aren't great, he's due for at least 1800 total yards. I think I missed the boat on this one.

I have been MIA the past few weeks and felt like checking back in on this thread...Is there sarcasm here?He has looked even worse than I thought from what I have seen.I thought we already addressed how Priest Holmes is wholly incomparable to Chester Taylor....What have I missed?I know it can't possibly be the game film that has changed your mind this preseason

I will honor all my bets, but the workload this guy gets will be tremendous. Fason and Moore are out, he'll get 40 touches a week!

 

[jestertj]

just remember the last time Baltimore traded away a RB to a team with a good offensive line....Padre Holmes!

Yep, the more I think about it, he's in line for at least 350 touches, probably closer to 400...Even if his averages aren't great, he's due for at least 1800 total yards. I think I missed the boat on this one.

I have been MIA the past few weeks and felt like checking back in on this thread...Is there sarcasm here?He has looked even worse than I thought from what I have seen.I thought we already addressed how Priest Holmes is wholly incomparable to Chester Taylor....What have I missed?I know it can't possibly be the game film that has changed your mind this preseason

I will honor all my bets, but the workload this guy gets will be tremendous. Fason and Moore are out, he'll get 40 touches a week!

I almost fell off my chair when saw you had jumped on the bandwagon. I'm almost speechless.

 

[Dolfan]

HK,

With Pinner in the mix, do you still think CT will get his 40 touches?

 

[H.K.]

HK,With Pinner in the mix, do you still think CT will get his 40 touches?

Seriously, what's the worst CT can do each week? I'd guess 25 minimum. Taylor might catch 70 this season. 400 touches are not out of the question.

 

[Banger]

HK,With Pinner in the mix, do you still think CT will get his 40 touches?

I think Pinner was brought in for depth since Fason and Moore are both already banged up. They have a very inexperienced backfield but this signing probably won't change anything. If they got Stephen Davis I might sweat a little but Pinner is no better than Moore IMO.