Yeah it is poker 101. If they're making an offer on your player(s) then they are interested.As an ARob owner I keep getting low offers like, “well the bears are gonna be terrible with Dalton, so....”
like their scrubby 2:1 is gonna me me better than sticking with ARob? Also if they’re gonna be so terrible, why have 3 different teams sent me 2-3 different offers each?
I always pepper owner with offers for players I think will be bad on bad teams, said no dynasty manager ever.
I think that would be insane, so its probably what Pace will do.Would you make a move on a QB if Fields or Lance makes it to Cincy at 5
Probably costs you two 1s and a later pick - according to the chart
If you draft a QB in the top five picks, you should be starting them. With the Bears already naming Andy Dalton as their starter, I don't see them moving up and giving up assets for someone who is going to sit on the bench. Especially if Pace and Nagy are on the hot seat.Would you make a move on a QB if Fields or Lance makes it to Cincy at 5
Probably costs you two 1s and a later pick - according to the chart
Problem is I think dalton will keep us from getting a top 10 pickIf you draft a QB in the top five picks, you should be starting them. With the Bears already naming Andy Dalton as their starter, I don't see them moving up and giving up assets for someone who is going to sit on the bench. Especially if Pace and Nagy are on the hot seat.
We already invested in a QB this year and hopefully Dalton is an upgrade, albeit a small one. My question is, are any of these quarterbacks worth the assets to move up in the draft after making this move? Are they that much better than anyone we can draft next year?
Mike Glennon says hi ...If you draft a QB in the top five picks, you should be starting them. With the Bears already naming Andy Dalton as their starter, I don't see them moving up and giving up assets for someone who is going to sit on the bench. Especially if Pace and Nagy are on the hot seat.
We already invested in a QB this year and hopefully Dalton is an upgrade, albeit a small one. My question is, are any of these quarterbacks worth the assets to move up in the draft after making this move? Are they that much better than anyone we can draft next year?
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/2021-nfl-mock-draft-3-round-cummings-april/3/3nOut said:That said, I think the Bears should go OL or WR in the first and maybe Mond in the second who can sit behind Dalton for a year or take over mid-season if Dalton struggles.
This is NFL GM gamesmanship. No way in the world Fields falls past 10. He has all the physical tools to be exceptional and ONE GUY (Orlavsky) is saying that Field's work ethic is suspect.The Dude said:Mcshay has fields falling to 11 - if that’s the case I would like them to trade up for fields. It’s in the area of a first and a second to move up to 10 or so.
his speed brings a great element to his pro game and would generate huge excitement over the last half of 2021
plus it's enough to save pace’s job for another year
the other option I see is giving a 2 for darnold who could win a few games in the second half and give optimism - and also save pace’s job
I've been getting a ridicule for expressing this view recently. Dalton isn't going to carry a team to a championship by himself but his teams won 10 games in a tough AFCN four times. Assuming that Wilson or Watson trades are impossible, which it looks like they are, I'm not sure what better options Pace had. I think I'd prefer Dalton to Fitzpatrick, Mariota or Alex Smith. Should they have traded for Carson Wentz?osubuckeyeman said:I think people really do not give Dalton his dew. He is not a bad QB. If you watch his film he can ball. He is smart and anticipates very well. The arm can make every throw and If you have pieces around him he can win you games. The Bears have pieces. What was Pace to do? Wait and watch as every QB is taken and still be told "no" by the Texans and Seahawks. I'm telling you right now he fits what Chicago likes to do and is a very sneaky QB in fantasy. I believed this last season and ended up playing Dalton in my championship over Russell Wilson. The match up had everything to do with that decision and the way Wilson played down the stretch somewhat. I felt comfortable with Dalton and he put up close to 40 points. I looked long and hard at his tape and was pretty surprised.
For me, this is the best draft the Bears could hope for. If they go OT, QB, CB, Im happy.
Pace could've gotten Dalton last year for 3 million and no picks, but decided to give up a 4th rounder for Foles and give him 20 million, and then turn right around and give Dalton 10 million this year and talk about him like he's the best thing out there all of a sudden. Pace is a clueless idiot that has no business being near a football team.If you draft a QB in the top five picks, you should be starting them. With the Bears already naming Andy Dalton as their starter, I don't see them moving up and giving up assets for someone who is going to sit on the bench. Especially if Pace and Nagy are on the hot seat.
We already invested in a QB this year and hopefully Dalton is an upgrade, albeit a small one. My question is, are any of these quarterbacks worth the assets to move up in the draft after making this move? Are they that much better than anyone we can draft next year?
I just keep going back to every prime time game that Dalton ever played in. It's not a coaching problem. He's just bad under pressure, similar to Trubisky. He doesn't process information faster under pressure. On paper, he's not an upgrade over Trubisky or Foles at all. But maybe Nagy can find some magic for him. I do think Nagy is a good coach.One reason I'm bullish on a Dalton led Bears offense is I feel like we have seen something similar before. Nagy was the OC in KC when a 33yo Alex Smith had far and away his best offensive season of his career and ended up getting that silly WAS extension as a result. Dalton has a reputation as dink-and-dunk guy but so did Smith before he met Nagy. I can just picture Dalton running THAT specific offense well. And to be fair Nagy was brought into CHI to fix a QB he inherited, so maybe that offense can work better with a weaker armed, less mobile QB that processes information faster and makes fewer mistakes.
Do I think Dalton will be the next Rich Gannon/Tannehill phoenix rising from the ashes? Probably not, but I wouldn't have ever bet one either of those guys turning around their career either. But I also don't put much of the problems in DAL last season at the feet of Dalton and maybe other people do. That entire team just looked like it quit to me well before the season was over.
I may be talking myself into trying to scoop up Kmet in a lot of dynasty leagues. CHEAP.
I would argue that Dalton wasn't necessarily the best option if they already had Trubisky and Foles, Dalton represents the same option at best in that group of below average options.I've been getting a ridicule for expressing this view recently. Dalton isn't going to carry a team to a championship by himself but his teams won 10 games in a tough AFCN four times. Assuming that Wilson or Watson trades are impossible, which it looks like they are, I'm not sure what better options Pace had. I think I'd prefer Dalton to Fitzpatrick, Mariota or Alex Smith. Should they have traded for Carson Wentz?
I know some people are saying punt the season and draft someone next year but I don't think Pace and Nagy have that luxury. They need to win now to keep their jobs and Dalton is probably the best option available for that.
They didn't have Trubisky though right? He was a FA and they clearly didn't want to resign him. You do have a point with Foles but they seem to think Dalton is an upgrade. The consensus seems to be that Nagy/Pace needed to do something at QB to keep their jobs and I don't think running back Trubisky/Foles was a real option.TwinTurbo said:I would argue that Dalton wasn't necessarily the best option if they already had Trubisky and Foles, Dalton represents the same option at best in that group of below average options.
Sure my point was they could have simply kept Trubisky. The Bears signed Dalton for 4x what the Bills ended up paying Trubisky. $10M total cap hit vs. $2.5M. It just makes no sense to pay more for a guy that does not represent a QB1 upgrade for any team in the NFL. I know they would have paid more if Trubisky was the presumed starter instead of a QB2, but it would have still been far less than $10M.They didn't have Trubisky though right? He was a FA and they clearly didn't want to resign him. You do have a point with Foles but they seem to think Dalton is an upgrade. The consensus seems to be that Nagy/Pace needed to do something at QB to keep their jobs and I don't think running back Trubisky/Foles was a real option.
That's just not a realistic way of looking at it. Everyone, including Trubisky, knew the Bears were finished with him. I don't think bringing him back anyway, just because he was cheaper, is a thing teams do after this many years and chances given to a guy.Sure my point was they could have simply kept Trubisky. The Bears signed Dalton for 4x what the Bills ended up paying Trubisky. $10M total cap hit vs. $2.5M. It just makes no sense to pay more for a guy that does not represent a QB1 upgrade for any team in the NFL. I know they would have paid more if Trubisky was the presumed starter instead of a QB2, but it would have still been far less than $10M.
If they were willing to let Bill Lazor run an offense catering to Trubisky's strengths as they tried to do for a while last year, I think Trubisky would have more wins then either of the QB's on our roster right now (or at least the same). Though I'm not sure Trubisky would have signed for much cheaper then Dalton though in a case like that. Regardless, the team made things very clear before, and doubled down on it recently that is not what they want to do. They want to pull back out the Nagy offense and try to run that again, and in that case, Mitch 100% wasn't an option, and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want to be here anymore. Their only options were Foles or bring someone in. I'm sure they didn't think they could sell Foles to ownership, so they had to pump up Dalton as the real right answer that will fix it this time, (just forget the fact we didn't go for him last year)...That's just not a realistic way of looking at it. Everyone, including Trubisky, knew the Bears were finished with him. I don't think bringing him back anyway, just because he was cheaper, is a thing teams do after this many years and chances given to a guy.
Pretty much. PatheticIf they were willing to let Bill Lazor run an offense catering to Trubisky's strengths as they tried to do for a while last year, I think Trubisky would have more wins then either of the QB's on our roster right now (or at least the same). Though I'm not sure Trubisky would have signed for much cheaper then Dalton though in a case like that. Regardless, the team made things very clear before, and doubled down on it recently that is not what they want to do. They want to pull back out the Nagy offense and try to run that again, and in that case, Mitch 100% wasn't an option, and I'm pretty sure he wouldn't want to be here anymore. Their only options were Foles or bring someone in. I'm sure they didn't think they could sell Foles to ownership, so they had to pump up Dalton as the real right answer that will fix it this time, (just forget the fact we didn't go for him last year)...
Yeah there is no way Trubisky signs that contract with the Bears. There's no way the Bears offer it.That's just not a realistic way of looking at it. Everyone, including Trubisky, knew the Bears were finished with him. I don't think bringing him back anyway, just because he was cheaper, is a thing teams do after this many years and chances given to a guy.
I totally get your point, not disagreeing from that perspective. I do wish Dalton the best. He's a good guy and I hope he can have great success with the Bears except for when they play the Lions.flapgreen said:That's just not a realistic way of looking at it. Everyone, including Trubisky, knew the Bears were finished with him. I don't think bringing him back anyway, just because he was cheaper, is a thing teams do after this many years and chances given to a guy.
The Bears are just a disaster all around. Dalton will fail like the rest of them.I totally get your point, not disagreeing from that perspective. I do wish Dalton the best. He's a good guy and I hope he can have great success with the Bears except for when they play the Lions.
MItch's 5th year option was for $24.8 million. He was never gonna sign once the Bears decided not to pick up that option.Sure my point was they could have simply kept Trubisky. The Bears signed Dalton for 4x what the Bills ended up paying Trubisky. $10M total cap hit vs. $2.5M. It just makes no sense to pay more for a guy that does not represent a QB1 upgrade for any team in the NFL. I know they would have paid more if Trubisky was the presumed starter instead of a QB2, but it would have still been far less than $10M.
That's a pretty fair prediction. Team sucks. Just tank the season and get new GM, qb, and hcMike clay of espn predicts 6.6 wins.
Which is why I think they have to aggressively pursue a qb in the draft.
6-10 with no qb of the future will be a pink slip for pace
Just a couple of weeks ago, he was a Day three guy - https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/23/bears-nfl-draft-davis-mills-stanford/Cause it’s slow in here
i see Davis mills name come up again today for the bears 2nd
who knows anything about him? Would you like this move?
If Fields falls out of the top 4, then it is reasonable to trade up to 8 with Carolina to take him. The cost to trade up there according to the charts is #20, #52 and a 2021 3rd. That's a no brainer, IMO.FairWarning said:Just a couple of weeks ago, he was a Day three guy - https://bearswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/23/bears-nfl-draft-davis-mills-stanford/
I would really have a problem taking Fields if he's dropping. I hate trying to catch the falling knive in the first round.
No way Lance is there at 8.Draft wire with new mock
suggest a trade for the bears
it’s a trade so take it with a grain
trade with Carolina, pick up the 1.08 and draft Lance
Kiper's a moron. He loves being the contrarian and thats why he has his job. Maybe this unprecedented QB run is a smokescreen but I dont think so. If nothing else these things tend to take on lives of their own- team start trading up because they believe they have to. Which btw sounds like a very Pace thing to do.The Dude said:Kipper with fields falling to 1.10 now. I hope we are all over that if it happens
The problem is, in that scenario you can throw the book out the window. You might have 8 teams trying to move up and throwing picks at Carolina like candy. To go from 20 to 8 in this draft is going to be Two 1st, just to start with. Because you've got 5 QBs that are perceived as franchises (which is ridiculous but apparently believed) and that means you have 3-4 players falling out of the top 10 at other positions that are blue chip talent. If the Bears could move up to 8 for a 2nd and a 3rd I would do it right now, today, in a heartbeat- not to draft a QB, but to draft an ELITE tackle or WR.If Fields falls out of the top 4, then it is reasonable to trade up to 8 with Carolina to take him. The cost to trade up there according to the charts is #20, #52 and a 2021 3rd. That's a no brainer, IMO.
Mcshay also had him fall to like 10 - I think he had him 11 or 12Kiper's a moron. He loves being the contrarian and thats why he has his job. Maybe this unprecedented QB run is a smokescreen but I dont think so. If nothing else these things tend to take on lives of their own- team start trading up because they believe they have to. Which btw sounds like a very Pace thing to do.
Unfortunately, I see them mortgaging the future to just grab whichever of the top 5 QBs drops just so they can possibly keep their jobs for one more season. 'We have a new qb, trust the process, give it time '. Blah, blah, blah...Yahoo latest mock has a trade with Dallas to select Mac jones
Trade: The Cowboys trade 1.10 to the Bears for 1.20, 2.52, and a 2022 1st
I don't know enough to answer your question but i did see this:One week from the draft.
Q: Assuming the Bears do not trade up in round 1, if both Mond and Mills are available in the second round when the Bears pick, which of these would you select and why? Or would you draft another position instead?
Depending on Washington, NE and Denver, the Bears may have to consider moving up higher than any or all of these teams to grab Lance or Fields (assuming Jones is gone at #3). That means, at a minimum, they would need to get to at least #8 to stay ahead of Denver, but they can still be leap-frogged.If you draft a QB in the top five picks, you should be starting them. With the Bears already naming Andy Dalton as their starter, I don't see them moving up and giving up assets for someone who is going to sit on the bench. Especially if Pace and Nagy are on the hot seat.
We already invested in a QB this year and hopefully Dalton is an upgrade, albeit a small one. My question is, are any of these quarterbacks worth the assets to move up in the draft after making this move? Are they that much better than anyone we can draft next year?
The ideal situation (barring one of the top 5 falling to 20), is for the Bears to trade down from 20 into the upper second. Grab an OT with the higher second round pick and Mond with 52. Use the extra picks ( likely a 3rd and 4th) from the trade down to stack up on WR, CB, and OL talent. If Mond is a bust, Dalton will still be serviceable and there will be opportunity next season to draft another QB.IMO, the Bears have to choose one - and trade up in the 2nd or into the back end of the late 2nd (depending on which one they like most) - to get one