Chiefs DE Allen to be traded? (1 Viewer)

[Mr. Sparkle]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8043460...h-Vikings,-Bucs

Jared Allen's days with the Chiefs appear to be numbered.

Allen told FOXSports.com that the Vikings and Buccaneers have held trade talks with the Chiefs and he anticipates a deal will get done prior to next week's draft.

Allen said he had a visit set up with the Vikings this weekend in Minnesota and is tentatively scheduled to meet with Tampa Bay next week as well.

The Pro Bowl defensive end is the Chiefs' franchise player, but re-signing in Kansas City will be a problem as the team is looking to stockpile draft picks.

Allen said the two sticking points are working out terms of a deal with a new team and the Chiefs agreeing to compensation for a trade.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

OH HELL YEAH!!!!!

 

[FunkyPlutos]

OH HELL YEAH!!!!!

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

funny, because I was just toying with the scenario where Chris Long fall to them in, thinking it would be a slam dunk b/c there's no way they will pay Allen.

 

[Chaos Commish]

funny, because I was just toying with having Chris Long fall to them in, thinking it would be a slam dunk b/c there's no way they will pay Allen.

Funny I was just reading about why Chris Long may never have had the high grade the media gave him.

 

[ScottyFargo]

funny, because I was just toying with having Chris Long fall to them in, thinking it would be a slam dunk b/c there's no way they will pay Allen.

Funny I was just reading about why Chris Long may never have had the high grade the media gave him.

Allen's had some DUI issues and that's the only thing that scares me. Him on the Viking's D-line would be ridiculous though. He'd definitely be able to provide the consistent pass rush (and turnovers) that would make the Viking's Pass D much more solid.

 

[Bud Kilmer]

OH HELL YEAH!!!!!

Give up the 1st and 3rd and come play in the Dome. Go get him Zygi!!

 

[Andy Dufresne]

funny, because I was just toying with having Chris Long fall to them in, thinking it would be a slam dunk b/c there's no way they will pay Allen.

Funny I was just reading about why Chris Long may never have had the high grade the media gave him.

Allen's had some DUI issues and that's the only thing that scares me. Him on the Viking's D-line would be ridiculous though. He'd definitely be able to provide the consistent pass rush (and turnovers) that would make the Viking's Pass D much more solid.

Playing next to Kevin & Pat Williams, Allen would be a terror.

OH HELL YEAH!!!!!

Give up the 1st and 3rd and come play in the Dome. Go get him Zygi!!

If that's all they have to give up, I'll be surprised. But if it can get done for that then it's a total steal of a deal for the Vikes.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

funny, because I was just toying with having Chris Long fall to them in, thinking it would be a slam dunk b/c there's no way they will pay Allen.

Funny I was just reading about why Chris Long may never have had the high grade the media gave him.

and do you agree?

 

[jgb95]

As an Allen and Gaines Adams owner :X

But if he goes to MINNY i'll be :X

 

[ditka85]

What is Minny's cap situation?

 

[FUBAR]

OH HELL YEAH!!!!! :X

Give up the 1st and 3rd and come play in the Dome. Go get him Zygi!!

I can't say that's too high a price for one of the league's best DEs, and he's young, but it seems like a lot. If Merling fell to their 1st, is it really worth him and the 3rd to land Allen? KC would LOVE that trade. I have to admit, the idea of sending 85 to KC has me :XJacksonville would be interesting.As would Tennessee for Pac Man!!! Does Herm mind "problem children"? :X I just realized, aside from Minnesota, every team I mentioned is AFC. not that KC should care right now. Washington might work, but Minnesota does seem the best fit.

 

[gump]

Work your magic Monte.

 

[greenf7cat]

OH HELL YEAH!!!!!

Andy, thats not fair!! I am not happy!!!

 

[ScottyFargo]

What is Minny's cap situation?

Should still be pretty decent. Vikings opened the offseason with $37 million in cap space I can't seem to find adjusted numbers after the signings, though.I find it exciting that he'll visit the Vikings before the Bucs. That way he can be interviewed and they can get a good idea of whether or not he's at risk for another suspension before deciding on what to offer to get him. If they make this move it'll be a pretty awesome coup for the defense.

I was still planning on trying to get the Vike's D next year. Now that might be more troublesome if this trade moves forward.

 

[Chaos Commish]

funny, because I was just toying with having Chris Long fall to them in, thinking it would be a slam dunk b/c there's no way they will pay Allen.

Funny I was just reading about why Chris Long may never have had the high grade the media gave him.

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and do you agree?

Nawrocki's lead topic in a current Q and A Nawrocki is a good read this year. He's getting much better at this draft gig. Do I agree? I think the top DEs are both overrated compared to Harvey and Groves and from how they've been projected. I felt the same about Adams last year. I mocked Chris to Parcells because I think Parcells loves the type, not because I think he's the top player in the draft. I'm on record believing the two DTs are the best defensive prospects.

Back on topic. Does this make sense for KC? I think Allen, possibly the best DE in football, is possibly the most valuable man in the league. The chiefs should build around that, no?

 

[KSkid]

OH HELL YEAH!!!!!

Give up the 1st and 3rd and come play in the Dome. Go get him Zygi!!

I can't say that's too high a price for one of the league's best DEs, and he's young, but it seems like a lot. If Merling fell to their 1st, is it really worth him and the 3rd to land Allen? KC would LOVE that trade. I have to admit, the idea of sending 85 to KC has me Jacksonville would be interesting.As would Tennessee for Pac Man!!! Does Herm mind "problem children"? I just realized, aside from Minnesota, every team I mentioned is AFC. not that KC should care right now. Washington might work, but Minnesota does seem the best fit.

No chance Pac Man would end up in KC, and I doubt they have much interest in trading Allen to any AFC teams.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

funny, because I was just toying with having Chris Long fall to them in, thinking it would be a slam dunk b/c there's no way they will pay Allen.

Funny I was just reading about why Chris Long may never have had the high grade the media gave him.

http://forumimages.footballguys.com/style_...mail-button.png

and do you agree?

Nawrocki's lead topic in a current Q and A Nawrocki is a good read this year. He's getting much better at this draft gig. Do I agree? I think the top DEs are both overrated compared to Harvey and Groves and from how they've been projected. I felt the same about Adams last year. I mocked Chris to Parcells because I think Parcells loves the type, not because I think he's the top player in the draft. I'm on record believing the two DTs are the best defensive prospects.

Back on topic. Does this make sense for KC? I think Allen, possibly the best DE in football, is possibly the most valuable man in the league. The chiefs should build around that, no?

Sure, if they were actually trying to build a winner the right way.Except that Carl Peterson/KC is cheeeap, and Allen's contract will be the highest non-QB deal in league history. I have always had Allen in a non-Chiefs uniform starting 2009, seeing it happen this year would not be a surprise.

 

[mozzy84]

get this done vikes!!! I am thinking first and second round pick in this draft.

 

[ditka85]

I think if KC gets another 1st this year, Matt Ryan is almost a certainty at 1.5. There probably would still be an OT at Minn or TBs spot.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If I were a player like Allen, I see the Vikes as a team on the rise and with a great OL...the Bucs I might see as sort of just level...not really advancing or moving up the chains as much. The Vikes would really only have 1 glaring weakness and maybe they can find a vet that we are overlooking to bring into camp.

Is there a reason Aaron Brooks could not be brought in at least for a look? Maybe Marino could come out of retirement for 1 last season.

Anyone to keep the defenses honest because the Vikes are going to see 9 in the box and sometimes 10 all very close to the line to try and wrap up AP.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

If Merling fell to their 1st, is it really worth him and the 3rd to land Allen? KC would LOVE that trade.

Absolutely worth it. Word is, and I agree, they don't really like Merling that much based on what they need. He's not really that much different than Udeze - a good all around DE but not a pass rusher.A 1st and 3rd for Allen would be an easy trade to make especially since the Vikes have an extra 3rd anyway. I have to believe that it's more than just a 1/3 though.

 

[gump]

If I were a player like Allen, I see the Vikes as a team on the rise and with a great OL...the Bucs I might see as sort of just level...not really advancing or moving up the chains as much.

You can make this argument (although the Bucs have been reinvigorated with youth recently and made the playoffs last year)...which is why I responded with "work your magic Monte". Playing for Monte Kiffen has got to be attractive. As well as playing next to Gaines Adams for years to come.

 

[gump]

NFL Network reporting Allen will be at Minny tommorrow and Tampa next Friday.

Bucs have a ton of cap room. Could it be a situation where the Vikes are more attractive to the Chiefs because of better picks, but the Bucs are more attractive to Allen because of a larger deal?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Interesting that the Chiefs seem to be letting Allen be part of the decision process, as in "Where would you rather be traded?"

 

[Jason Wood]

Putting aside the "he's the best DE in the league" for a moment, he's obviously a talented player at a premium position. If he's traveling to these teams as seems to be the case, there is some fire where we're seeing smoke.

 

[Scooby]

As much as i want this to happen, i dont see the vikings giving up the 1st rounder.

2-3 and maybe a pick next year, but not the 1st.

Ziggy might surprise me tho

 

[Andy Dufresne]

As much as i want this to happen, i dont see the vikings giving up the 1st rounder.2-3 and maybe a pick next year, but not the 1st.Ziggy might surprise me tho

Why not? Ziggy needs to make a splash, with discussion about a new stadium happening in the gub'ment next year. And are they going to get a better player than Jared Allen with the #17 pick? I highly, highly doubt it.

 

[#1 Chiefs Fan]

 

[ScottyFargo]

As much as i want this to happen, i dont see the vikings giving up the 1st rounder.2-3 and maybe a pick next year, but not the 1st.Ziggy might surprise me tho

Allen is seasoned enough to make a certain impact right away AND is a proven talent. #17 is just a number, not a guarantee. Allen is a much safer bet (his DUI issues aside) on a team that could win "now".

 

[Chachi]

Why are the 49ers not mentioned. The 49ers is where Allen has said time and time again he would like to play and the 49ers have a real need at that position. With Allen I think the 49ers would be one of the best defenses in the league.

 

[BoltBacker]

Except that Carl Peterson/KC is cheeeap, and Allen's contract will be the highest non-QB deal in league history. I have always had Allen in a non-Chiefs uniform starting 2009, seeing it happen this year would not be a surprise.

I'm not so sure if it's just a matter of Peterson/KC being cheap, part of it is Peterson just being dumb. So they give all that $ to LJ when he's already under contract and in a year where you had to think they wouldn't be contending anyway... but won't pay Allen market value? How much do you think they wish they could play that scenario to do over? Pay Allen, let LJ pout and they could have easily drafted LJ's replacement this season. I think they would have been a lot better off looking for LJ's replacement than Allen's.Herm's improving defense is being undone by Peterson's cap management.

 

[Chachi]

Just thought of something, trade CJ for Allen, makes sense.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Why are the 49ers not mentioned. The 49ers is where Allen has said time and time again he would like to play and the 49ers have a real need at that position. With Allen I think the 49ers would be one of the best defenses in the league.

I think they shot their wad with Justin Smith.

 

[BoltBacker]

Why are the 49ers not mentioned. The 49ers is where Allen has said time and time again he would like to play and the 49ers have a real need at that position. With Allen I think the 49ers would be one of the best defenses in the league.

Maybe they're not offering as much in the way of a trade(perhaps because they know they have the inside track on signing him as a FA if Allen stays in KC this season and walks at the end of the year).

 

[BoltBacker]

Why are the 49ers not mentioned. The 49ers is where Allen has said time and time again he would like to play and the 49ers have a real need at that position. With Allen I think the 49ers would be one of the best defenses in the league.

I think they shot their wad with Justin Smith.

Ouch, that's salt in the wound.Allen >>>>>> Smith

 

[Polish Hammer]

I am very disappointed to have opened this thread and not read a single line about the possibility of the Eagles getting him. There were early rumors that they were pursuing, and I hope that Andy and Co are on top of this. While I don't think that a 1 and a 3 is a price they would pay, Lito and a 2nd might be. Who knows? Maybe Deranged Hermit has an inside line on this....

 

[Chachi]

Why are the 49ers not mentioned. The 49ers is where Allen has said time and time again he would like to play and the 49ers have a real need at that position. With Allen I think the 49ers would be one of the best defenses in the league.

I think they shot their wad with Justin Smith.

Ouch, that's salt in the wound.Allen >>>>>> Smith

They still have lots of cap room, they needed to replace both Ends, they should go after Allen, Smith is a solid player but Allen is a great player who can do things Smith can't.

 

[mozzy84]

Why are the 49ers not mentioned. The 49ers is where Allen has said time and time again he would like to play and the 49ers have a real need at that position. With Allen I think the 49ers would be one of the best defenses in the league.

I think they shot their wad with Justin Smith.

not to mention no first round pick to trade.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Why are the 49ers not mentioned. The 49ers is where Allen has said time and time again he would like to play and the 49ers have a real need at that position. With Allen I think the 49ers would be one of the best defenses in the league.

I think they shot their wad with Justin Smith.

Ouch, that's salt in the wound.Allen >>>>>> Smith

They still have lots of cap room, they needed to replace both Ends, they should go after Allen, Smith is a solid player but Allen is a great player who can do things Smith can't.

They don't have the picks to make it happen. Unless they packaged next year's #1, which they won't, I don't think the Chiefs would listen.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Why are the 49ers not mentioned. The 49ers is where Allen has said time and time again he would like to play and the 49ers have a real need at that position. With Allen I think the 49ers would be one of the best defenses in the league.

I think they shot their wad with Justin Smith.

not to mention no first round pick to trade.

They have one, but it's late - pick #29. They got it from Indianapolis.

 

[greenf7cat]

I cannot understand why the Chefs would not pay Allen... Tamba Hali is a good player, but not great. He benefits alot from what Allen does on the other side.. now, I can't expect the Chefs to have much of a pass rush at all if they lose Allen... and to add to that, the Chefs CB's are marginal at best, and now without a pass rush (if this happens), its going to be tough to watch!!!

#1 pick in '09, here we come!!!!

 

[vandyt]

Why are the 49ers not mentioned. The 49ers is where Allen has said time and time again he would like to play and the 49ers have a real need at that position. With Allen I think the 49ers would be one of the best defenses in the league.

Exactly what position would Allen play in SF's 3-4? OLB?

 

[Scooby]

As much as i want this to happen, i dont see the vikings giving up the 1st rounder.2-3 and maybe a pick next year, but not the 1st.Ziggy might surprise me tho

Why not? Ziggy needs to make a splash, with discussion about a new stadium happening in the gub'ment next year. And are they going to get a better player than Jared Allen with the #17 pick? I highly, highly doubt it.

I agree with the player at 17, but just saying I think they would try to get him without giving it up.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I cannot understand why the Chefs would not pay Allen... Tamba Hali is a good player, but not great. He benefits alot from what Allen does on the other side.. now, I can't expect the Chefs to have much of a pass rush at all if they lose Allen... and to add to that, the Chefs CB's are marginal at best, and now without a pass rush (if this happens), its going to be tough to watch!!!#1 pick in '09, here we come!!!!

Because they're in full blown restart mode. In theory (assuming you're getting starters in the third rounds) by giving up Allen for a first and (possibly) 3rd or maybe even more, they are theoretically trading one starter for two.

 

[mozzy84]

Why are the 49ers not mentioned. The 49ers is where Allen has said time and time again he would like to play and the 49ers have a real need at that position. With Allen I think the 49ers would be one of the best defenses in the league.

I think they shot their wad with Justin Smith.

not to mention no first round pick to trade.

They have one, but it's late - pick #29. They got it from Indianapolis.

ahhh yea forgot about that one, over excited about this on my end I guess

 

[The Gatekeeper]

I think the fact that the Vikes have secured the first meeting with Allen is very telling. Preliminary trade talks with KC have certainly taken place and Minnesota must be the team that is most willing to give KC what they want. My gut feeling is that Allen doesn't leave Minnesota without a deal in place and picks ready to be sent to KC.

 

[vandyt]

I cannot understand why the Chefs would not pay Allen... Tamba Hali is a good player, but not great. He benefits alot from what Allen does on the other side.. now, I can't expect the Chefs to have much of a pass rush at all if they lose Allen... and to add to that, the Chefs CB's are marginal at best, and now without a pass rush (if this happens), its going to be tough to watch!!!#1 pick in '09, here we come!!!!

Your 2nd statement answers your first. The Chiefs are a couple years away from competiting. Allen is worth a TON (more than the 1&3 being speculated here) as he is A) still yet to reach his prime and B) one of the top 10 or so defensive players in the league.Allen's value can only decline from here on out. Once he signs a big contract he'll be untradeable, and he's also a risk to be suspended given his past off the field infractions, which could further drive down his value.

 

[greenf7cat]

I cannot understand why the Chefs would not pay Allen... Tamba Hali is a good player, but not great. He benefits alot from what Allen does on the other side.. now, I can't expect the Chefs to have much of a pass rush at all if they lose Allen... and to add to that, the Chefs CB's are marginal at best, and now without a pass rush (if this happens), its going to be tough to watch!!!#1 pick in '09, here we come!!!!

Because they're in full blown restart mode. In theory (assuming you're getting starters in the third rounds) by giving up Allen for a first and (possibly) 3rd or maybe even more, they are theoretically trading one starter for two.

I understand that theory, but its impossible to predict the production you would be getting out of those 2 starters....its not that Allen is old, so I disagree with the "rebuilding" part of the equation... he is still very young, so why not keep him around and build the Def. around him? It just doesnt make sense

 

[Jason Wood]

I am very disappointed to have opened this thread and not read a single line about the possibility of the Eagles getting him. There were early rumors that they were pursuing, and I hope that Andy and Co are on top of this. While I don't think that a 1 and a 3 is a price they would pay, Lito and a 2nd might be. Who knows? Maybe Deranged Hermit has an inside line on this....

I think the Eagles would consider it, but then again they'll consider any deal for the right price.