Chiefs lock up Jamaal Charles! (1 Viewer)

[Fantasy Bum]

Jamaal Charles-RB- Chiefs Dec. 11 - 1:14 pm et

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Chiefs have signed RB Jamaal Charles to a five-year, $32.5 million contract with $13 million guaranteed.

It's a great deal for both parties, as Charles gets to hit free agency at age 28 and the Chiefs lock up one of the league's most explosive weapons during his prime. The extension is a sign that the team views him as a clear No. 1 runner, and coach Todd Haley will have no choice but to unleash Charles on opposing defenses. Scott Pioli will now have to find the funds to pay potential free agent Tamba Hali.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Rotoworld

 

[footballnerd]

Finally

 

[shadyridr]

thats a lot of money for a backup

 

[Otis]

Good for him.

 

[Football Menace]

Jamaal Charles-RB- Chiefs Dec. 11 - 1:14 pm et

According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, the Chiefs have signed RB Jamaal Charles to a five-year, $32.5 million contract with $13 million guaranteed.

It's a great deal for both parties, as Charles gets to hit free agency at age 28 and the Chiefs lock up one of the league's most explosive weapons during his prime. The extension is a sign that the team views him as a clear No. 1 runner, and coach Todd Haley will have no choice but to unleash Charles on opposing defenses. Scott Pioli will now have to find the funds to pay potential free agent Tamba Hali.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Rotoworld

Or they could run Thomas Jones like a rented mule and not put the mileage on their brand new franchise back.

 

[Boom Switch]

thats a lot of money for a backup

Thats what i was thinking....

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

The guy is on pace for 2000+ yards of offense and still has plenty in the tank for the stretch run and the playoffs. Also his team is in first place by two games. I think you could say that Haley's plan is actually working out pretty well.

 

[Steed]

$13M guaranteed over 5 years is a cheap price to pay for 1 of the best RBs in the league.

 

[Routilla]

I would guess this means he should be starting next year instead of being the back-up to an inferior RB. Even Haley can't screw this up again right?

 

[tdmills]

I would guess this means he should be starting next year instead of being the back-up to an inferior RB. Even Haley can't screw this up again right?

Haley doesn't care about FF. His team is in 1st place....he is doing things right in KC. Keeping Charles fresh may be the only reason he isn't breaking down like CJ or Felix Jones or Norwood or insert smaller RB that had a few good games only to get hurt/wore down.

 

[Routilla]

I would guess this means he should be starting next year instead of being the back-up to an inferior RB. Even Haley can't screw this up again right?

Haley doesn't care about FF. His team is in 1st place....he is doing things right in KC. Keeping Charles fresh may be the only reason he isn't breaking down like CJ or Felix Jones or Norwood or insert smaller RB that had a few good games only to get hurt/wore down.

In the pathetic AFC West I guess that's a valid point. If your goal is home field with the best record for the playoffs then perhaps you set higher goals. KC has a better chance of winning games( scoring more points) with JC getting more carries. Hopefully next year they try to win more games and not just settle for the division.

 

[ponchsox]

I hope Charles has a great game tomorrow fresh off his new contract!

 

[atl3695]

I would guess this means he should be starting next year instead of being the back-up to an inferior RB. Even Haley can't screw this up again right?

Haley doesn't care about FF. His team is in 1st place....he is doing things right in KC. Keeping Charles fresh may be the only reason he isn't breaking down like CJ or Felix Jones or Norwood or insert smaller RB that had a few good games only to get hurt/wore down.

In the pathetic AFC West I guess that's a valid point. If your goal is home field with the best record for the playoffs then perhaps you set higher goals. KC has a better chance of winning games( scoring more points) with JC getting more carries. Hopefully next year they try to win more games and not just settle for the division.

For as much grief as Haley has taken on this board, I think it is hard to argue that Charles hasnt been used PERFECTLY this season. The Cheifs are in first, Charles is 3rd in the NFL in rushing, and a top 5 fantasy back. He should finish with 240-260 carries which seems about right and he is fresh for the stretch run and playoffs. I see Charles being used no differently next year.

 

[thayman]

I would guess this means he should be starting next year instead of being the back-up to an inferior RB. Even Haley can't screw this up again right?

Haley doesn't care about FF. His team is in 1st place....he is doing things right in KC. Keeping Charles fresh may be the only reason he isn't breaking down like CJ or Felix Jones or Norwood or insert smaller RB that had a few good games only to get hurt/wore down.

In the pathetic AFC West I guess that's a valid point. If your goal is home field with the best record for the playoffs then perhaps you set higher goals. KC has a better chance of winning games( scoring more points) with JC getting more carries. Hopefully next year they try to win more games and not just settle for the division.

For as much grief as Haley has taken on this board, I think it is hard to argue that Charles hasnt been used PERFECTLY this season. The Cheifs are in first, Charles is 3rd in the NFL in rushing, and a top 5 fantasy back. He should finish with 240-260 carries which seems about right and he is fresh for the stretch run and playoffs. I see Charles being used no differently next year.

 

[Routilla]

I would guess this means he should be starting next year instead of being the back-up to an inferior RB. Even Haley can't screw this up again right?

Haley doesn't care about FF. His team is in 1st place....he is doing things right in KC. Keeping Charles fresh may be the only reason he isn't breaking down like CJ or Felix Jones or Norwood or insert smaller RB that had a few good games only to get hurt/wore down.

In the pathetic AFC West I guess that's a valid point. If your goal is home field with the best record for the playoffs then perhaps you set higher goals. KC has a better chance of winning games( scoring more points) with JC getting more carries. Hopefully next year they try to win more games and not just settle for the division.

For as much grief as Haley has taken on this board, I think it is hard to argue that Charles hasnt been used PERFECTLY moderately this season. The Cheifs are in first, Charles is 3rd in the NFL in rushing, and a top 5 fantasy back. He should finish with 240-260 carries which seems about right and he is fresh for the stretch run and playoffs. I see Charles being used no differently next year.

So you just play for the division( a weak one at that) and not try to win as many games as possible which would give you more home games in the playoffs? I would want home field if possible and if that means JC needs 20 carries a game then I do it. If KC is able to get 2-3 score leads early in games then he doesn't need the entire 20 per game. I would not stick to the script of having him on the sidelines for a less explosive runner if that means you lose those games. Unless of course you would prefer traveling to PIT, NE etc for playoff games instead of hosting them. I would think the KC brass would prefer home games come playoff time.

 

[philly2gain]

For as much grief as Haley has taken on this board, I think it is hard to argue that Charles hasnt been used PERFECTLY this season. The Cheifs are in first, Charles is 3rd in the NFL in rushing, and a top 5 fantasy back. He should finish with 240-260 carries which seems about right and he is fresh for the stretch run and playoffs. I see Charles being used no differently next year.

Jamaal Charles has 3 rushing TD's and Thomas Jones has 5 TDs -- only 3 times has Charles outscore Jones in my league's scoring format up to date. We are a TD heavy league and Charles is a high end #2 RB ranked 14th -- depending on match-ups I use him sparingly and I am often left shaking my head as see Jones' stat line . All that said, I agree 100% with how the Chiefs are using Thomas Jones to extend his career and freshness but for fantasy purposes, the current KC situation isn't the best and I definitely can understand Charles owner's frustration. This is the perfect example of how fantasy football corrupts real life common sense. Haley is doing the right thing.It's a similar argument with rookies such as CJ Spiller. So many expected so much more and the critics have been giving Bills management grief but IMO the Bills are doing the right thing protecting their investment and allowing him to learn the system.The Chiefs O-line should get a lot of credit for making BOTH backs so successful. In the future, should this change the more talented back would be relied on more. Bottom line, again just my opinion, having Jones in the Line-up has not affected the Chiefs W-L record and you can't criticize Haley.

 

[Bayhawks]

I would guess this means he should be starting next year instead of being the back-up to an inferior RB. Even Haley can't screw this up again right?

Haley doesn't care about FF. His team is in 1st place....he is doing things right in KC. Keeping Charles fresh may be the only reason he isn't breaking down like CJ or Felix Jones or Norwood or insert smaller RB that had a few good games only to get hurt/wore down.

In the pathetic AFC West I guess that's a valid point. If your goal is home field with the best record for the playoffs then perhaps you set higher goals. KC has a better chance of winning games( scoring more points) with JC getting more carries. Hopefully next year they try to win more games and not just settle for the division.

For as much grief as Haley has taken on this board, I think it is hard to argue that Charles hasnt been used PERFECTLY this season. The Cheifs are in first, Charles is 3rd in the NFL in rushing, and a top 5 fantasy back. He should finish with 240-260 carries which seems about right and he is fresh for the stretch run and playoffs. I see Charles being used no differently next year.

The only thing I'd like to see more of is Charles getting goal-line carries. He is effective, but he doesn't get the looks down there, kind of like the way Barry Sanders got pulled down there often in Detroit (and no, I'm not saying Charles is the next Barry Sanders.)

 

[thayman]

I would guess this means he should be starting next year instead of being the back-up to an inferior RB. Even Haley can't screw this up again right?

Haley doesn't care about FF. His team is in 1st place....he is doing things right in KC. Keeping Charles fresh may be the only reason he isn't breaking down like CJ or Felix Jones or Norwood or insert smaller RB that had a few good games only to get hurt/wore down.

In the pathetic AFC West I guess that's a valid point. If your goal is home field with the best record for the playoffs then perhaps you set higher goals. KC has a better chance of winning games( scoring more points) with JC getting more carries. Hopefully next year they try to win more games and not just settle for the division.

For as much grief as Haley has taken on this board, I think it is hard to argue that Charles hasnt been used PERFECTLY moderately this season. The Cheifs are in first, Charles is 3rd in the NFL in rushing, and a top 5 fantasy back. He should finish with 240-260 carries which seems about right and he is fresh for the stretch run and playoffs. I see Charles being used no differently next year.

So you just play for the division( a weak one at that) and not try to win as many games as possible which would give you more home games in the playoffs? I would want home field if possible and if that means JC needs 20 carries a game then I do it. If KC is able to get 2-3 score leads early in games then he doesn't need the entire 20 per game. I would not stick to the script of having him on the sidelines for a less explosive runner if that means you lose those games. Unless of course you would prefer traveling to PIT, NE etc for playoff games instead of hosting them. I would think the KC brass would prefer home games come playoff time.

In the losses Charles has had: 19 touches, 20 touches, 15 touches, 19 touches.

 

[KCC]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can argue that Charles should play a limited role. If you believe that, explain to me how it is in the team's best interest to gain over 2 yards less per carry? Charles may have an increased chance for injury with more carries, but that argument could be used to keep any outstanding player on the bench. The coach has a responsibility to field the most talented team and Charles is an elite player.

 

[tdmills]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can argue that Charles should play a limited role. If you believe that, explain to me how it is in the team's best interest to gain over 2 yards less per carry? Charles may have an increased chance for injury with more carries, but that argument could be used to keep any outstanding player on the bench. The coach has a responsibility to field the most talented team and Charles is an elite player.

Did you see Chris Johnson this year? Overuse some smaller RB's and they don't continue at that pace Felix Jones is another. But if you keep them fresh in a rotation...you keep them at that higher production for a much longer period.

 

[philly2gain]

In the losses Charles has had: 19 touches, 20 touches, 15 touches, 19 touches.

I believe that supports what I stated earlier.

The Chiefs O-line should get a lot of credit for making BOTH backs so successful. In the future, should this change the more talented back would be relied on more. Bottom line, again just my opinion, having Jones in the Line-up has not affected the Chiefs W-L record and you can't criticize Haley.

 

[KCC]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can argue that Charles should play a limited role. If you believe that, explain to me how it is in the team's best interest to gain over 2 yards less per carry? Charles may have an increased chance for injury with more carries, but that argument could be used to keep any outstanding player on the bench. The coach has a responsibility to field the most talented team and Charles is an elite player.

Did you see Chris Johnson this year? Overuse some smaller RB's and they don't continue at that pace Felix Jones is another. But if you keep them fresh in a rotation...you keep them at that higher production for a much longer period.

Nonsense. Smaller backs are not more prone to injury than larger backs. I could cherry-pick some examples of larger backs with more extensive injury histories (e.g. Brandon Jacobs), but it wouldn't prove anything. It should also be noted that Charles produced at this same level last year while serving as the primary back - albeit for half the season - showing that more carries per game did not produce "overuse". The coach's job is not to preserve players - it is to field the most talented team possible. Rushing production increases by 50% when Jones goes out and Charles goes in.

 

[philly2gain]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can argue that Charles should play a limited role. If you believe that, explain to me how it is in the team's best interest to gain over 2 yards less per carry? Charles may have an increased chance for injury with more carries, but that argument could be used to keep any outstanding player on the bench. The coach has a responsibility to field the most talented team and Charles is an elite player.

You make a great point -- coaches need to win-- but running backs are an investment and if you have a good one why overuse him? Charles was given between 15 and 20 touches in the Chief's losses. If I could afford a high end sports car I would have a second car for running daily errands and simple A to B runs -- no sense driving a Ferrari to the supermarket or using it as 4x4.

 

[tdmills]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can argue that Charles should play a limited role. If you believe that, explain to me how it is in the team's best interest to gain over 2 yards less per carry? Charles may have an increased chance for injury with more carries, but that argument could be used to keep any outstanding player on the bench. The coach has a responsibility to field the most talented team and Charles is an elite player.

Did you see Chris Johnson this year? Overuse some smaller RB's and they don't continue at that pace Felix Jones is another. But if you keep them fresh in a rotation...you keep them at that higher production for a much longer period.

Nonsense. Smaller backs are not more prone to injury than larger backs. I could cherry-pick some examples of larger backs with more extensive injury histories (e.g. Brandon Jacobs), but it wouldn't prove anything. It should also be noted that Charles produced at this same level last year while serving as the primary back - albeit for half the season - showing that more carries per game did not produce "overuse". The coach's job is not to preserve players - it is to field the most talented team possible. Rushing production increases by 50% when Jones goes out and Charles goes in.

Believe what you want. I'm letting Haley do his job and it's working out well. I think by using both RB's it keeps both fresh while wearing down the defenses. Play one RB too much, perhaps they won't be as productive.

 

[cvnpoka]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can argue that Charles should play a limited role. If you believe that, explain to me how it is in the team's best interest to gain over 2 yards less per carry? Charles may have an increased chance for injury with more carries, but that argument could be used to keep any outstanding player on the bench. The coach has a responsibility to field the most talented team and Charles is an elite player.

Did you see Chris Johnson this year? Overuse some smaller RB's and they don't continue at that pace Felix Jones is another. But if you keep them fresh in a rotation...you keep them at that higher production for a much longer period.

when was felix jones overworked? when was felix jones a productive back that declined? i dont think he belongs in this discussion.expectations for chris johnson were always too high. he ran absurdly hot (read: lucky) last year and ppl expected it to continue. its certainly possible that his workload wore him down some but he was coming back down to earth regardless. the stars need to align perfectly for years like that and they simply arent all that repeatable. he wasnt gonna continue to routinely break off 80+ yard td runs. ppl act like he has dropped into mediocrity when he is actually having a fantastic year. hes on pace for over 1600 yfs and 12 tds.

 

[philly2gain]

Play one RB too much, perhaps they won't be as productive.

I agree, when I watch a game it definitely seems like some blocking schemes and plays are intended for different purposes. The bruising back is usually running up the middle for short yardage (north/ south) and isn't asked to go east /west or be creative.

 

[tdmills]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can argue that Charles should play a limited role. If you believe that, explain to me how it is in the team's best interest to gain over 2 yards less per carry? Charles may have an increased chance for injury with more carries, but that argument could be used to keep any outstanding player on the bench. The coach has a responsibility to field the most talented team and Charles is an elite player.

Did you see Chris Johnson this year? Overuse some smaller RB's and they don't continue at that pace Felix Jones is another. But if you keep them fresh in a rotation...you keep them at that higher production for a much longer period.

when was felix jones overworked? when was felix jones a productive back that declined? i dont think he belongs in this discussion.

Felix Jones:2008: 30 for 266 8.9 2 receptions 3 TDs= 32 touches2009: 116 for 685 5.9 19 receptions 3 TDs= 135 touches2010: 133 for 531 4.0 40 receptions 1 TD = 173 touchesThis is by far his least productive season....but the most he has been worked.

 

[cvnpoka]

your analysis and conclusion of the effect of felix's "workload" on his production is laughable.

in 2008, he played in 6 games before getting injured. thats why his workload was so small on a season long scale. also, you failed to incorporate kick returns which are far more detrimental than single carries.

its really tough to sell that a guy is being overworked, who since being more incorporated in the offense (week 4 this year), is still only averaging 16.3 touches a game.

 

[tdmills]

your analysis and conclusion of the effect of felix's "workload" on his production is laughable.in 2008, he played in 6 games before getting injured. thats why his workload was so small on a season long scale. also, you failed to incorporate kick returns which are far more detrimental than single carries.its really tough to sell that a guy is being overworked, who since being more incorporated in the offense (week 4 this year), is still only averaging 16.3 touches a game.

Whether you think it's laughable or not is relative. I was laughing last offseason when people were throwing out all these numbers for Felix. He has shown time and again that he constantly gets injured and can't carry the full load.His YPC going down significantly 3 years in a row is enough evidence for me.

 

[cvnpoka]

as if his ypc could go in any other direction when it was at 8.9. sick logic itt. dont consider any other changes like a drastically worse offensive line and felix gaining like 20 lbs and getting slower. nah, its proly bc he was overworked with his 10 carries a game. and then, somehow you extrapolate that on jamaal charles situation.

 

[Fensalk]

I would guess this means he should be starting next year instead of being the back-up to an inferior RB. Even Haley can't screw this up again right?

Haley doesn't care about FF. His team is in 1st place....he is doing things right in KC. Keeping Charles fresh may be the only reason he isn't breaking down like CJ or Felix Jones or Norwood or insert smaller RB that had a few good games only to get hurt/wore down.

In the pathetic AFC West I guess that's a valid point. If your goal is home field with the best record for the playoffs then perhaps you set higher goals. KC has a better chance of winning games( scoring more points) with JC getting more carries. Hopefully next year they try to win more games and not just settle for the division.

I agree with this. A team needs to give everything they've got to win every game, not just to make the playoffs but secure home field and a bye. If the Chiefs feel compelled to reduce the number of touches their "franchise back" gets out of fear of him breaking down, then he isn't a franchise back and shouldn't earn franchise back money, and in fact maybe they ought to think about replacing him.

 

[philly2gain]

I agree with this. A team needs to give everything they've got to win every game, not just to make the playoffs but secure home field and a bye. If the Chiefs feel compelled to reduce the number of touches their "franchise back" gets out of fear of him breaking down, then he isn't a franchise back and shouldn't earn franchise back money, and in fact maybe they ought to think about replacing him.

Everybody making this argument needs to explain how those 10 or 15 more touches (Charles gives to Jones) would have made the difference in the Chief's 4 losses this year. The Chiefs already lead the NFL in rushing so their losses probably weren't a result of poor running performances. Is it impossible that the difference in YPC can't be because the 2 backs have different running assignments? Isn't Jones the more bruising north / south back? Bill Belichik is the best coach in the NFL and he platoons a lot of players -- the goal is to be in the right situation at the right time. Haley looks pretty smart to me and I'm a frustrated Charles owner.If you run a marathon it doesn't pay to sprint start to finish and you don't take a sports car offroading.

 

[Routilla]

In the losses Charles has had: 19 touches, 20 touches, 15 touches, 19 touches.

I'm not trying to get hung up on a number whether it's 15, 19 etc. My point is he should be the bell cow until you have a 2 score lead. He may need 25 or more carries in tougher games to give the team a chance to win those. In others he may not need more than a dozen. But every drive, when the game is in question, should start with him in the backfield.

 

[Bayhawks]

Did you see Chris Johnson this year? Overuse some smaller RB's and they don't continue at that pace Felix Jones is another. But if you keep them fresh in a rotation...you keep them at that higher production for a much longer period.

This is a ridiculous statement, and it makes any other arguments you might want to make less valid, IMO.Chris Johnson had a once-in-a-lifetime year last year.This year, he is merely having a great year.He is on pace for over 300 carries, over 1600 total yards, and 12 TDs.After Barry Sanders' 2000 yard season, he ONLY had 1700 total yards. According to your logic, that's the Lions' fault for "over-using" him.Following your same logic, Peyton Manning ONLY having 3700 yards and 28 TDs the year after his 48 TD year must have been because he was "over-used."And Jerry Rice ONLY scoring 10 TDs the year after he put up 23 must have been because of "over-use."Give me a break.

 

[faulknromos]

Did you see Chris Johnson this year? Overuse some smaller RB's and they don't continue at that pace Felix Jones is another. But if you keep them fresh in a rotation...you keep them at that higher production for a much longer period.

This is a ridiculous statement, and it makes any other arguments you might want to make less valid, IMO.Chris Johnson had a once-in-a-lifetime year last year.This year, he is merely having a great year.He is on pace for over 300 carries, over 1600 total yards, and 12 TDs.After Barry Sanders' 2000 yard season, he ONLY had 1700 total yards. According to your logic, that's the Lions' fault for "over-using" him.Following your same logic, Peyton Manning ONLY having 3700 yards and 28 TDs the year after his 48 TD year must have been because he was "over-used."And Jerry Rice ONLY scoring 10 TDs the year after he put up 23 must have been because of "over-use."Give me a break.

 

[WiDDoW_MaKeR]

I honestly don't understand how anyone can argue that Charles should play a limited role. If you believe that, explain to me how it is in the team's best interest to gain over 2 yards less per carry? Charles may have an increased chance for injury with more carries, but that argument could be used to keep any outstanding player on the bench. The coach has a responsibility to field the most talented team and Charles is an elite player.

Did you see Chris Johnson this year? Overuse some smaller RB's and they don't continue at that pace Felix Jones is another. But if you keep them fresh in a rotation...you keep them at that higher production for a much longer period.

when was felix jones overworked? when was felix jones a productive back that declined? i dont think he belongs in this discussion.

Felix Jones:2008: 30 for 266 8.9 2 receptions 3 TDs= 32 touches2009: 116 for 685 5.9 19 receptions 3 TDs= 135 touches2010: 133 for 531 4.0 40 receptions 1 TD = 173 touchesThis is by far his least productive season....but the most he has been worked.

Is this a serious post?Lastyear/// Chris Johnson was worked pretty damn hard. He seemed to respond pretty well. Same with Jamaal Charles over the last half of the year. Guess what? They are both fine this year. Neither has lost a step. Chris Johnson's team may have gone downhill... but given the same opportunities, he is the same runner.

 

[ponchsox]

As the season goes on, the more I think Haley is doing the right thing by keeping Jamaal Fresh. Chris Johnson is a perfect example. The shelf life on these backs is a few years of prime play before they turn into Priest Holmes or LT. It may not be the best for fantasy owners, but the Chiefs are protecting their investment. If you bought a brand new Mazerati, would you use it to commute 100 miles every day or would you keep it in the garage for fun and play?

 

[FUBAR]

As the season goes on, the more I think Haley is doing the right thing by keeping Jamaal Fresh. Chris Johnson is a perfect example. The shelf life on these backs is a few years of prime play before they turn into Priest Holmes or LT. It may not be the best for fantasy owners, but the Chiefs are protecting their investment. If you bought a brand new Mazerati, would you use it to commute 100 miles every day or would you keep it in the garage for fun and play?

LT's on pace for another 1,500 yard season at age 31.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I would guess this means he should be starting next year instead of being the back-up to an inferior RB. Even Haley can't screw this up again right?

Haley doesn't care about FF. His team is in 1st place....he is doing things right in KC. Keeping Charles fresh may be the only reason he isn't breaking down like CJ or Felix Jones or Norwood or insert smaller RB that had a few good games only to get hurt/wore down.

In the pathetic AFC West I guess that's a valid point. If your goal is home field with the best record for the playoffs then perhaps you set higher goals. KC has a better chance of winning games( scoring more points) with JC getting more carries. Hopefully next year they try to win more games and not just settle for the division.

For as much grief as Haley has taken on this board, I think it is hard to argue that Charles hasnt been used PERFECTLY this season. The Cheifs are in first, Charles is 3rd in the NFL in rushing, and a top 5 fantasy back. He should finish with 240-260 carries which seems about right and he is fresh for the stretch run and playoffs. I see Charles being used no differently next year.

That's certainly one take.Another possibility is that Haley kept Charles on the bench last year, inactivated him for a week, preferred Larry Johnson for nine weeks (and only stopped doing that when Johnson challenged the coach and imploded in the press), then tried to initiate a time share between Kolby Smith and Charles. And only when Smith (Kolby Smith!) went down turned the ball over to Charles.Then coming into this year Haley pretended like the 2nd half of the season last year never happened. He talked about all the things Charles was not. Hyped Thomas Jones at every opportunity. Gave Charles 39 touches in the first three games, while Jones had 54. And only when Charles made him look like a raging idiot for a 2nd time decided that maybe he ought to give his best player the ball and maximize his team's chance to win games.In short, that Haley has handled Charles like a tool and refused to see what's as plain as plain can be.

 

[tdmills]

as if his ypc could go in any other direction when it was at 8.9. sick logic itt. dont consider any other changes like a drastically worse offensive line and felix gaining like 20 lbs and getting slower. nah, its proly bc he was overworked with his 10 carries a game. and then, somehow you extrapolate that on jamaal charles situation.

Then what happened for year 2 to year 3? The 20 lbs was supposed to help with the injuries... I also thought that by gaining weight he didnt lose much speed(per the some SP's).

 

[tdmills]

Did you see Chris Johnson this year? Overuse some smaller RB's and they don't continue at that pace Felix Jones is another. But if you keep them fresh in a rotation...you keep them at that higher production for a much longer period.

This is a ridiculous statement, and it makes any other arguments you might want to make less valid, IMO.Chris Johnson had a once-in-a-lifetime year last year.This year, he is merely having a great year.He is on pace for over 300 carries, over 1600 total yards, and 12 TDs.After Barry Sanders' 2000 yard season, he ONLY had 1700 total yards. According to your logic, that's the Lions' fault for "over-using" him.Following your same logic, Peyton Manning ONLY having 3700 yards and 28 TDs the year after his 48 TD year must have been because he was "over-used."And Jerry Rice ONLY scoring 10 TDs the year after he put up 23 must have been because of "over-use."Give me a break.

He isn't as successful....probably the team has some to do with it....but his overuse last year to go for the record is part of it as well.Now back to Charles. Taking FF out of it....get the thought of more production from your teams out of your head. Ok moving on. Who is to say that those extra touches would help per game? Or that those extra touches would make him a less effective RB overall? Kind of like keeping in Antonio Gates right now with his injury on running downs to make the defense think they are going to pass. Will it make the plays more effective? Yes. Will it wear out Gates because of his injury and not help the Chargers in the long run for the season? Yes as well.

 

[Smarge]

Does anyone understand that Charles had shoulder surgery in the offseason? I know it's been said before, so I'd hope all of the experts here remember. That has everything to do with his usage this season and the desire to bring in and use Jones. It's no more complicated than that. They obviously understand how valuable the guy is after the contract they just gave him. But watching him everyday probably affords them a bit more intelligence about how much he can handle week to week and remain effective.