Chris givens or Brian quick? (1 Viewer)

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Austin Pettis is listed as a "projected starter" opposite Chris Givens on the Rams' training camp press release.
It isn't more than a reward for a strong offseason — and possible motivation for Brian Quick and Tavon Austin — but is notable nonetheless. If nothing else, it's an indication that Pettis is in the driver's seat for a roster spot. With the Rams' receiver corps entirely up in the air, Pettis is currently off the fantasy radar.

Related: Chris Givens

Source: stlouisrams.com

Brian Quick isn't listed as a "projected starter" on the Rams' training camp depth chart.
Quick is relegated to "key contributor" status. Summer depth charts are little more than coach-fueled propaganda, but it's at least confirmation the Rams have no plans to hand Quick a starting job despite their major need on the outside. Quick ended OTAs No. 4 on the depth chart even though he was reportedly turning heads. Few teams have as much to sort out in camp as St. Louis.


Source: stlouisrams.com

Chris Givens is listed as a starter on the Rams' training camp depth chart.
As he should be. Ticketed for a bigger role after excelling as a deep-ball specialist as a rookie, Givens is perhaps the only known commodity in the Rams' nebulous receiver corps. Givens is currently the 44th receiver off the board by ADP, coming in just behind DeAndre Hopkins, and ahead of Emmanuel Sanders.


Source: stlouisrams.com

 

[Faust]

Chris Givens working to diversify game

By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com

EARTH CITY, Mo. -- It should have come as no surprise Thursday night when Rams receiver Chris Givens settled under a long pass from quarterback Sam Bradford and hauled it in for a 59-yard gain.

In his 2012 debut season, Givens made the long ball his personal calling card. So he and Bradford decided to let it be known right away in the preseason opener against Cleveland that their home run connection wasn’t going away.

“Me and Sam decided to try and send a message, ‘This is the effort you’re going to get every Sunday,’” Givens said.

Buoyed by the type of sprinter’s speed that the Rams hadn’t had at receiver since the days of Torry Holt, Givens garnered some national attention as a rookie for his ability to make big plays.

Along the way, Givens set a rookie record for consecutive games with a 50-plus yard reception with five; all of those coming within the first half of the season.

Givens finished the year with 42 receptions for 698 yards and three touchdowns. Following the offseason departures of Danny Amendola (New England) and Brandon Gibson (Miami), Givens is the team’s leading returning wideout in yards and yards per catch (16.6) and tied for first in catches.

Those numbers would seemingly put Givens in position to become Bradford’s top target in just his second season. But for that to happen, he’s going to have to prove he can be more than a one-trick pony.

By the time his rookie season was through, Givens had tallied 274 of his 698 receiving yards on those five deep balls, good for 39 percent of his total output.

After Givens’ 50-yard touchdown catch against New England on Oct. 21, teams finally became hip to his deep ball abilities. Bracket coverages became the norm and space in the secondary became hard for Givens to find.

So Givens and the Rams adjusted and began to get him the ball with short screens and quick routes. The short pass actually became even more prevalent in Givens’ game than the long ball as 27 of Givens’ 42 receptions came either behind the line of scrimmage or within 10 yards of it. He had six grabs of 21-plus yards.

For Givens to take the next step in 2013, he must diversify his game by becoming stronger and smoother on intermediate routes. He had just nine catches between 11 and 20 yards as a rookie.

During the offseason program, Givens pointed out that adding those routes to his game was his primary focus. As part of the plan, Givens added a few pounds to push his weight just north of 200 pounds.

Already in this training camp, Givens has made progress with his improved route running. Former Rams receivers Isaac Bruce and Holt have come away impressed with Givens’ work.

Bruce said Givens is not as “herky jerky” with his routes and appears to be smoother transitioning from running the route to catching the ball. Holt echoed those sentiments.

“He’s done a really good job with his routes, cleaning up his routes,” Holt said. “Speed, big play ability, nice size, there’s still some things that he can work on from a technique standpoint. I think he’s working on it. He’s asking a lot of questions. He’s wanting to improve his game.”

The Rams clearly trust Givens to do more than just run 9-routes deep down the field as he’s actually lining up at all three receiver positions in this camp.

In Thursday night’s game, Givens’ biggest grab was the first one but that one probably wasn’t his most impressive. He broke off a short route to catch a 3-yard touchdown pass and that, too, wasn’t the catch that had the coaching staff excited.

Instead, it was the 20-yard grab he made on a deep out route that caught the eye of coach Jeff Fisher.

“He’s doing that on the practice field,” Fisher said. “He didn’t have a lot of opportunities last night but he knew what was going on and made a real good adjustment on a fine throw.”

If Givens can continue to diversify his game, opportunities won’t be lacking.

 

[Faust]

Camp Confidential: St. Louis Rams

By Nick Wagoner | ESPN.com

Excerpt:

While Austin and Cook are garnering a lot of the attention, Givens has been perhaps the most consistent pass-catching option the Rams have in camp. Matched up against cornerback Janoris Jenkins more often than not, Givens has continued to make tough, contested catches and is running crisper routes than he did as a rookie, particularly in the intermediate areas.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Givens all day. Pettis too over Quick.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think Givens is the guy to own there. I envision a Desean Jackson like talent. But without the headaches. In fact I think 62 catches for 1167 sounds about right for Givens (that was Jackson's sophomore season).

 

[Faust]

Dynasty or Redraft?

At their current ADP?

These are important questions that can change the answers to the original question!

 

[Sabertooth]

I like Givens in both by a good margin.

 

[Hoss Style]

I like Givens in both by a good margin.

Agreed. Givens has obviously put in the work this offseason. When you couple that with his raw talent it's looking pretty darn good for the future (assuming he keeps this work ethic).

 

[bulger2holt]

Givens all day. Pettis too over Quick.

Not sure about Pettis over Quick, especially on the outside. Quick looked really good in the first pre season game. He put a lot of work in the offseason and understands the playbook now. He's not thinking what to do. At 6'4 225, he will be tough to stop, especially since he most likely will be going against D'2 #2 or #3 Cb's

 

[saintfool]

i think quick has really benefitted from having holt and bruce there the past week.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Chris Givens has lined up at all three wide receiver positions in Rams camp.
Givens was a one-trick-pony, deep-ball specialist as a rookie. The Rams want his route tree to diversify as a sophomore, and it showed up in Thursday's preseason opener as Givens burned the Browns' defense on receptions of 3, 20, and 59 yards. Through the first week of exhibition games, there aren't many bigger fantasy risers than Givens, who's shaping up as a high-ceiling WR3.

Source: ESPN.com

 

[TwinTurbo]

Givens all day. Pettis too over Quick.

Not sure about Pettis over Quick, especially on the outside. Quick looked really good in the first pre season game. He put a lot of work in the offseason and understands the playbook now. He's not thinking what to do. At 6'4 225, he will be tough to stop, especially since he most likely will be going against D'2 #2 or #3 Cb's

Yes Quick admittedly struggled to grasp the playbook in his rookie year. He's had more time to learn it, but he still seems behind Givens and even Pettis in this area. It's difficult to say conclusively if the issue is that Quick is still too raw and inconsistent or if Brian Schottenheimer just continues to suck as an OC, or both. But honestly, I'm avoiding all Rams in general due to BS running the offense. I think only Givens offers value at his current ADP.

 

[bulger2holt]

Givens all day. Pettis too over Quick.

Not sure about Pettis over Quick, especially on the outside. Quick looked really good in the first pre season game. He put a lot of work in the offseason and understands the playbook now. He's not thinking what to do. At 6'4 225, he will be tough to stop, especially since he most likely will be going against D'2 #2 or #3 Cb's

Yes Quick admittedly struggled to grasp the playbook in his rookie year. He's had more time to learn it, but he still seems behind Givens and even Pettis in this area. It's difficult to say conclusively if the issue is that Quick is still too raw and inconsistent or if Brian Schottenheimer just continues to suck as an OC, or both. But honestly, I'm avoiding all Rams in general due to BS running the offense. I think only Givens offers value at his current ADP.

I'm avoiding all Rams WR's because with Givens, Austin, Cook, Bailey, Pettis and Quick, they will spread the ball around. Bradford went no weapons, to a plethora of really good ones. I don't think people realize how good this group will be soon.

 

[Sabertooth]

I think Givens has the best chance to emerge this season because of his skill and experience. I don't know that Austin will be useable for a high volume because he's just so tiny. I don't know about Cook either, he's a borderline bust. Sure he could turn into Vernon Davis, but he could also be a guy like Ben Watson. Pettis is meh and so is Quick.

 

[Faust]

According to the Post-Dispatch, "no Rams receiver has been more consistent" than Chris Givens during training camp.
Givens got lost in St. Louis' offseason headlines stolen by Jared Cook and Tavon Austin. But he burst back onto the scene in Thursday's preseason opener, recording a 3/82/1 line while playing just 11 snaps. There's evidence that he's more than the mere straight-line speedster he was a rookie, giving him heaps of upside. The explosive Givens is ticketed for an every-down role.


Source: St Louis Post-Dispatch

 

[Faust]

Receiver Chris Givens playing like Rams' best playmaker:

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