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Chris Hogan, WR (1 Viewer)

After reading. The post about about how hogan fared in last years playoff game and knowing brady’s History vs Pitt how can you sit Hogan if he’s healthy and getting targets this weekend?  You’d have to have an elite option to play over him or be out of your mind.  
Very different dynamic this year.  Edelman was healthy (and was also super productive in that game with an 8/118/1), but otherwise, the horses weren't there for NE that would keep Hogan down in the pecking order, and the gaps in the Pittsburgh defense that are going to make the alpha options look so appealing this week weren't there.

The presence of Gronk this time, coupled with the absence of Shazier, is massive.  Hard to imagine a scenario where this isn't exploited over and over.  Shazier was Pittsburgh's best cover man and Gronk has a history of making Tomlin's life miserable.  Mitchell is no cover man, and the replacement linebackers are huge steps down from one of the NFL's elite cover LB's.

That hole in the coverage ability up front is also highly exploitable by the raft of capable pass catching RB's.  James White was really the only thing Pittsburgh needed to cope with last year.  (And again, a healthy Shazier made that a non-issue.)  But with Burkhead raging, White healthy, and Dion fully capable in that role, this might be so exploitable that Hogan gets pushed further down the priority list.

Add Cooks to the mix, of course.  The secondary is in tatters (maybe Haden comes back and helps somewhat; we'll see), but neither of these guys is an Edelman clone.  Any given week, it can be tough to suss out who's more likely to exploit a weakness in coverage.  In part because it's often impossible to tell how the D is going to try to scheme to cover any weaknesses.

It's not so much that Hogan couldn't possibly gash this team.  For me, it's more that Belichick isn't typically one to go for the path of most resistance.  With the underneath stuff looking so incredibly available, shots over the top are going to come only opportunistically, IMO, and this year Hogan's got to share them with a more talented wideout.  Hogan's strong in the red zone, and that's been his FF bread and butter this year, but this week, there are much more exploitable holes down there for Bill & Tom to pillage.

I like Hogan, but I simply don't love his place on this weekend's totem pole.  I wouldn't write him off, but I wouldn't start him over most seemingly "equal" players.  I just think his variance is a lot trickier.

 
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After reading. The post about about how hogan fared in last years playoff game and knowing brady’s History vs Pitt how can you sit Hogan if he’s healthy and getting targets this weekend?  You’d have to have an elite option to play over him or be out of your mind.  
1. Last time Hogan and Gronk both played for NE against PIT was week 7 in 2016. Hogan had 2/25/0 on 2 targets with a lost fumble.

2. NE didn't have Burkhead in their 2016 matchups. Over the past 4 games, he has 5 TDs and is averaging more than 4 targets per game.

3. Hogan missed 4 games in a row and, in his first game back last week, he had 1/1/0 on 5 targets.

I see it as just the opposite of you - I would have to be pretty desperate to play him this week. He could certainly rebound with a strong game, but I don't see that as particularly likely. Neither do others - Dodds ranks him as the #35 WR this week; Bloom has him at #26; DynastyPros has him at 33 (standard)/36 (PPR).

 
Not thrilled with the recent posts, but considering my other choices are Kearse (without McCown), Parker, Kittle and Deonte Thompson. I think I pretty much have to roll the dice with him.

 
1. Last time Hogan and Gronk both played for NE against PIT was week 7 in 2016. Hogan had 2/25/0 on 2 targets with a lost fumble.

2. NE didn't have Burkhead in their 2016 matchups. Over the past 4 games, he has 5 TDs and is averaging more than 4 targets per game.

3. Hogan missed 4 games in a row and, in his first game back last week, he had 1/1/0 on 5 targets.

I see it as just the opposite of you - I would have to be pretty desperate to play him this week. He could certainly rebound with a strong game, but I don't see that as particularly likely. Neither do others - Dodds ranks him as the #35 WR this week; Bloom has him at #26; DynastyPros has him at 33 (standard)/36 (PPR).
I see it the same way. While he could put up a very nice stat line I think he has a very low floor too. Not something I want to risk in the playoffs. 

 
Deciding to not start Hogan. Too risky... He could / "could" do well and get red zone looks and targets. Too many others I have more confidence in above him. Too many mouths to feed, although many will get fed. NE and Brady have been a tad off, and they "could" bounce back. Both defenses giving up big plays and points are the positive along with Gronk and the 3 RB's. Now PIT has fewer big play makers, hence fewer mouths to feed. I still see both teams putting 30 on the board and one or both may hang 40 burgers? If that happens then perhaps Hogan does get his share?

 
Call me crazy, but I think Richardson has a big game this week 
Thanks for the insight. What's the basis of your hunch? Rams have a fairly decent if not spectacular secondary with Joyner and the rookie Johnson, and NE's matchup vs PIT looks much juicier.

Some mention that the deep routes will be shared by both Cooks and Grionk, but doesn't Hogan play out of the slot? Siphoning touches to Burkhead is a concern, but seems like with Shazier out seems like the short in/out/seam routes may be there for Hogan as well.

I like Richardson and think he'll be active this game as well, but I think it's the choice between the higher upside/lower floor (Hogan) and lower upside/higher floor (Richardson). I'm leaning Hogan because of matchup and opportunity, and if I'm honest better name brand recognition, but really second guessing this as he could just as easily hang a 2 catch 10 yard game.

Hmm.

 
Ok let’s play a game.  

Hogan or Dede?

hogan or Kupp?

hogan or Robby Anderson?

hogan or Tyrell Williams?

hogan or Corey Coleman?

hogan or sterling Shepard?

hogan or Goodwin?

 
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Elevencents said:
I have Burkhead and Goodwin ahead of Hogan for my flex spot. Have been flip flopping between the two. 
I have this same choice, plus Woods, I'm sure a lot of people do. I think there's concern about the Miami game and what the hell happened there vs the promise of a back & forth scoring affair between NE/Pit. 

 
So what's the Shark Pool take on Hogan this year? He seems to be a productive player and would seem to be in a good situation heading into this season. Seems to me that potentially makes him a 4th-5th round guy.

For example, would you take him before or after Corey Davis? Emmanuel Sanders?
Is he a good WR?

 
So what's the Shark Pool take on Hogan this year? He seems to be a productive player and would seem to be in a good situation heading into this season. Seems to me that potentially makes him a 4th-5th round guy.

For example, would you take him before or after Corey Davis? Emmanuel Sanders?
Is he a good WR?
Talent wise I think Davis and Lilly taanders have more than Hogan.  ESP raw athletic ability.  

But fantasy wise I’d probably rather hogan than either of them.  Better qb, better offense.  And Hogan is no slouch either when it comes to talent.  

 
Talent wise I think Davis and Lilly taanders have more than Hogan.  ESP raw athletic ability.  

But fantasy wise I’d probably rather hogan than either of them.  Better qb, better offense.  And Hogan is no slouch either when it comes to talent.  
Thanks mate.  Looking for high upside guys in the front-middle of the draft.

 
Talent wise I think Davis and Lilly taanders have more than Hogan. ESP raw athletic ability.

But fantasy wise I’d probably rather hogan than either of them. Better qb, better offense. And Hogan is no slouch either when it comes to talent.
Lilly taanders? Tell me this is an actual nickname and not a typo.

I'd rather have Lilly and Davis over Hogan but would rather have Hogan in September if that makes any sense. Even if Edelman has lost a step I can still see Brady targeting him relentlessly when he comes back. 

 
Lilly taanders? Tell me this is an actual nickname and not a typo.

I'd rather have Lilly and Davis over Hogan but would rather have Hogan in September if that makes any sense. Even if Edelman has lost a step I can still see Brady targeting him relentlessly when he comes back. 
Hahahahaha!  Stupid autocorrect!!!  Lilly Anders = Emmanuel Sanders.  Lol too funny. 

 
Actually, it’s racist that you would THINK THAT my comparison stems from racism. I wasn’t thinking black/white at all.  I was just comparing what I see as far as ability.

But your mind went there!  Reverse racism!  Lol 
Just messing with you. 

Hogan played lacrosse at Penn State so at least from a cardio standpoint you could argue he's the better athlete.  Granted no would try to make such an argument, but....lol.

 
Hogan should lead the Patriots in targets & has averaged something like 1.3 RZ targets a game - that’s a guy I love. I’ve got him as a WR3 on one team and a WR4/flex on another. Hopefully in for a big year if he stays healthy. 

 
Hogan has a SPARQ of 135.4, hes in the 99th percentile for WRs.

Sanders has a SPARQ of 114.2, 77th percentile.
Wow that’s nuts.  Didn’t realize that.  When I watch him run in games he doesn’t strike me as more athletic.  He looks like he runs tighter.  Tighter hips.  

 
People said the same thing about Woodhead vs Sproles despite Woody being an actual atheltic monster and sproles being a pretty mediocre athlete.

Its always interested me, i think its a matter of perception.

 
wtf, only 5 targets?what a disaster. was in on 91% of snaps too. really thought he'd be a great play this year 
Welcome to owning a NE WR not named Edelman. Its how Bill operates. This week he could have 10 targets for a 8rec 120yd 1TD Line. 

 
Welcome to owning a NE WR not named Edelman. Its how Bill operates. This week he could have 10 targets for a 8rec 120yd 1TD Line. 
I swore off NEP WRs after having Deion “questionable, knee” Branch. Dude had knee surgery & was listed as “questionable” for 7 weeks.  :wall:

So naturally I get deeked  into taking Hogan by a heavy preseason.

that said,  he was targeted five or six times… If he catches even three of those, it might be a different story today 

 
I swore off NEP WRs after having Deion “questionable, knee” Branch. Dude had knee surgery & was listed as “questionable” for 7 weeks.  :wall:

So naturally I get deeked  into taking Hogan by a heavy preseason.

that said,  he was targeted five or six times… If he catches even three of those, it might be a different story today 
Had him last year and if not for a wonky draft would have him this year. I thought he would have a big game but that’s not to say this isn’t more of an outlier than a forecast for the future. 

 
I swore off NEP WRs after having Deion “questionable, knee” Branch. Dude had knee surgery & was listed as “questionable” for 7 weeks.  :wall:

So naturally I get deeked  into taking Hogan by a heavy preseason.

that said,  he was targeted five or six times… If he catches even three of those, it might be a different story today 
Would love to say HA HA ...but I played him and got a healthy 2 pts....Still suck at line up choices. He was the difference between win and loss. 

 
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This guy keeps getting ranked in the Top 20 receivers every week by the pundits but he is hot garbage right now. He creates no separation on his own and is totally overmatched except when he plays against zone defenses. The 2 TD's in week 2 were a mirage. This guy is getting no yards and few targets. Once Edelman is back and Gordon is up to speed then Hogan with be a complete afterthought on every play. He almost is now.

 
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This guy keeps getting ranked in the Top 20 receivers every week by the pundits but he is hot garbage right now. He creates no separation on his own and is totally overmatched except when he plays against zone defenses. The 2 TD's in week 2 were a mirage. This guy is getting no yards and few targets. Once Edelman is back and Gordon is up to speed then Hogan with be a complete afterthought on every play. He almost is now.
He can survive Edelman because the #1 CB will be on Edelman, freeing him up to beat the #2 guy like last year. It's Gordon that's the real issue since Gordon not only will erase Dorsett, he'll eat into Hogan's work if healthy. Darius Slay playing this game hurt his outlook, but the whole O was crap this game.

 
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Thoughts on Hogan going forward?  
Not great thoughts. In the pecking order, he is clearly behind Edelman, Gronk, and White for targets. Gronk and Edelman rarely played together with Hogan before. Hogan benefited from other players being out. 

A case could made that Gordon is going to leap frog Hogan soon. For now, Hogan is still seeing a high percentage of snaps but that hasn’t translated to much fantasy production. Moving forward, he will be a depends on the game plan / inconsistent fantasy option and very TD dependent. I own him but struggle to want to play him, He’s probably a fantasy WR4 moving forward (injury or bye week full in).

 
NESN's Doug Kyed reports free agent Chris Hogan is "garnering interest" from multiple teams.

Hogan had a down 2018 season with just 35 catches after a breakout the previous season. He turns 31 this coming October, but the free-agent market at wideout is as poor as any position, so it could benefit guys like Hogan. The Patriots figure to entirely rework their receiving corps behind Julian Edelman.

SOURCE: NESN

Mar 1, 2019, 7:34 AM

 
Adam Schefter‏ @AdamSchefter 5m5 minutes ago

Panthers signed former Patriots’ WR Chris Hogan.
I think its a good fit. I really do. If you own Hogan one of the better spots he could have landed IMO. They don't really have a receiver like him on the roster right now and the taller you are the better chance you have to catch Cam's high balls. Plus he's a good deep threat which means maybe he can chase down Cam's overthrows ;)

 
I think its a good fit. I really do. If you own Hogan one of the better spots he could have landed IMO. They don't really have a receiver like him on the roster right now and the taller you are the better chance you have to catch Cam's high balls. Plus he's a good deep threat which means maybe he can chase down Cam's overthrows ;)
The issue in NE was he couldn't get any separation. Not sure that Cam having accuracy issues helps in trying to throw to a guy that has struggled to get open. Maybe the Panthers offense will be easier for Hogan than the one in New England and the Panthers can utilize him more than the Patriots did. But I have my doubts.

 
This is not a good landing sport for Hogan.  It could be one of the top 5 worst that could have happened.
This^^^^^^^^^^ Dirt and air balls will be a challenge for Hogan. Points on the barbie..as it will be what was : in flames... and what is: all ashes.  No doubt Cam can make points by being more physical than others, but being an elite QB is not his gig. 

 
The issue in NE was he couldn't get any separation. Not sure that Cam having accuracy issues helps in trying to throw to a guy that has struggled to get open. Maybe the Panthers offense will be easier for Hogan than the one in New England and the Panthers can utilize him more than the Patriots did. But I have my doubts.
FWIW Chris Hogan was 2nd in the NFL is average separation per target.

 
FWIW Chris Hogan was 2nd in the NFL is average separation per target.
I suspect that is due to him being completely uncovered on some plays. Brady would look for him if he was open, but many games he could be covered one on one and was tough to target. And when Edelman was out he was covered pretty easily. He may be a decent piece, but IMO he’s not a WR1, may be a so so WR2, and should be more of an NFL team’s WR3.

 

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