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Chris Johnson - start him or sit him? (1 Viewer)

timmeresque

timmeresque

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Thoughts on starting Chris Johnson this week? Going up agains Jac who has given up 13 TD's on the ground so far.

Good idea/Bad idea?

 
I would imagine those that have stuck with him for this long would finally be able to start him without much thought. That isn't to say that he won't have 15/55/0 though...

 
Question is relative to other options on your team.

At that point, it would be better to ask in the AC section.

 
The Jags are a worse run D than the Rams he just ripped apart. Nothing is a guarantee but you don't sit him this week.

 
Is Chris Johnson the most underappreciated player in FF this season? He's the #12 rb in most formats and that was against a brutal first half schedule

 
As a CJ owner I drafted him knowing his schedule and knowing he would ride my bench until after his bye week. Started him last week and it paid off and he is now an every week starter based on his schedule until he shows me otherwise.

 
GordonGekko said:
timmeresque said:
Thoughts on starting Chris Johnson this week? Going up agains Jac who has given up 13 TD's on the ground so far.

Good idea/Bad idea?
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CJ2K runs with inconsistent effort.

If you neutralize him early, he gives up and just doesn't fight for yardage and goes down on first contact. Can't get yards because you are just being outplayed or outschemed is a part of the game. Can't get yards because you don't want them bad enough, is unforgivable.

The key defensively is SenDerrick Marks on the defensive line for Jacksonville. If he can be disruptive early and often, I see CJ2K having a lousy day. Unfortunately Marks doesn't get much help. Tyson Alulu is miscast as a 4-3 end, and is probably better suited as 3-4 Nose. Jason Babin is the Jason Wood of the Jags D line. He's there, he's being paid, he's not doing much useful, after a while, everyone wonders why you just don't replace him with someone with actual upside. I think the Jags would be better off running a base 3-3-5 set and find a veteran safety to help a young safety corps that needs an old hand back there for guidance. Will Blackmon also needs to see the field more.

Poor discipline in the unit and too many JAGs ( Just Another Guy) on the Jags. Irony for you. I just don't see Hayes, Evans, Miller and Ball starting for any other NFL unit.

CJ2K has a disturbing habit of playing down to his opponents. People point to schedule, I just see a guy who doesn't care all that much. He has David Robinson's mentality but not the same talent ( i.e. enjoys being a pro athlete more than actually playing the game)

Marks will be the key.
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Are you cj's shrink or just talking out of your ###? I'm going to go with the second.

 
C'mon, unless you got double AP type backs on your team your starting CJ..

Not saying he's a top 10 back every week, but he has the potential to be and if you have him you use him.

 
I drafted him high and although I left him on my bench for eight weeks but i'm hoping I can start him the rest of the way.

 
Reegus said:
GordonGekko said:
timmeresque said:
Thoughts on starting Chris Johnson this week? Going up agains Jac who has given up 13 TD's on the ground so far.

Good idea/Bad idea?
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CJ2K runs with inconsistent effort.

If you neutralize him early, he gives up and just doesn't fight for yardage and goes down on first contact. Can't get yards because you are just being outplayed or outschemed is a part of the game. Can't get yards because you don't want them bad enough, is unforgivable.

The key defensively is SenDerrick Marks on the defensive line for Jacksonville. If he can be disruptive early and often, I see CJ2K having a lousy day. Unfortunately Marks doesn't get much help. Tyson Alulu is miscast as a 4-3 end, and is probably better suited as 3-4 Nose. Jason Babin is the Jason Wood of the Jags D line. He's there, he's being paid, he's not doing much useful, after a while, everyone wonders why you just don't replace him with someone with actual upside. I think the Jags would be better off running a base 3-3-5 set and find a veteran safety to help a young safety corps that needs an old hand back there for guidance. Will Blackmon also needs to see the field more.

Poor discipline in the unit and too many JAGs ( Just Another Guy) on the Jags. Irony for you. I just don't see Hayes, Evans, Miller and Ball starting for any other NFL unit.

CJ2K has a disturbing habit of playing down to his opponents. People point to schedule, I just see a guy who doesn't care all that much. He has David Robinson's mentality but not the same talent ( i.e. enjoys being a pro athlete more than actually playing the game)

Marks will be the key.
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Are you cj's shrink or just talking out of your ###? I'm going to go with the second.
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Reegus said:
GordonGekko said:
timmeresque said:
Thoughts on starting Chris Johnson this week? Going up agains Jac who has given up 13 TD's on the ground so far.

Good idea/Bad idea?
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CJ2K runs with inconsistent effort.

If you neutralize him early, he gives up and just doesn't fight for yardage and goes down on first contact. Can't get yards because you are just being outplayed or outschemed is a part of the game. Can't get yards because you don't want them bad enough, is unforgivable.

The key defensively is SenDerrick Marks on the defensive line for Jacksonville. If he can be disruptive early and often, I see CJ2K having a lousy day. Unfortunately Marks doesn't get much help. Tyson Alulu is miscast as a 4-3 end, and is probably better suited as 3-4 Nose. Jason Babin is the Jason Wood of the Jags D line. He's there, he's being paid, he's not doing much useful, after a while, everyone wonders why you just don't replace him with someone with actual upside. I think the Jags would be better off running a base 3-3-5 set and find a veteran safety to help a young safety corps that needs an old hand back there for guidance. Will Blackmon also needs to see the field more.

Poor discipline in the unit and too many JAGs ( Just Another Guy) on the Jags. Irony for you. I just don't see Hayes, Evans, Miller and Ball starting for any other NFL unit.

CJ2K has a disturbing habit of playing down to his opponents. People point to schedule, I just see a guy who doesn't care all that much. He has David Robinson's mentality but not the same talent ( i.e. enjoys being a pro athlete more than actually playing the game)

Marks will be the key.
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Are you cj's shrink or just talking out of your ###? I'm going to go with the second.
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He does tend to run like he's looking for a place to lay down.

 
GordonGekko said:
Jason Babin is the Jason Wood of the Jags D line. He's there, he's being paid, he's not doing much useful, after a while, everyone wonders why you just don't replace him with someone with actual upside.
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:lmao:

No idea how you continue to get away with this shtick.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
GordonGekko said:
Jason Babin is the Jason Wood of the Jags D line. He's there, he's being paid, he's not doing much useful, after a while, everyone wonders why you just don't replace him with someone with actual upside.
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:lmao:

No idea how you continue to get away with this shtick.
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Damn, that's hilarious. As his quote in my sig line from about 3 years ago will attest, he's always been somewhat caught up in himself.

 
I think the better question is should I start Jake Locker against the Jags, or will the game be out of hand early and all we will see is CJ2K and Greene?

 
He's scored TD's in 3 str8 games... what kind of stupid question is it to even ask... Chris Johnson is on a roll right now... Anyone trying to dismiss him is upset they didn't draft him... never sit him during this stretch of his schedule

 
GordonGekko said:
Reegus said:
Are you cj's shrink?
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It's responses like yours that pollute the Shark Pool. Don't like my football opinion? Then come after my football opinion instead of ad hominem. ( You'll have to look up ad hominem on Google, I'm sure, read it carefully and try to learn something)

Irregardless of RB talent or number of snaps or opportunity, matchups between offensive and defensive lines are huge, and are often ignored in fantasy, esp by team owners who don't do IDP.

With so many teams running out nearly all the time in a base 3WR or 2TE offense, lots of defenses are stuck in their nickel packages most of the game. With a middling D line and no real playmakers at LB except Poz ( Allen is servicable, knows his job but won't give you much variable skill other than run support), if you bring in another nickel safety, you can set the most talented player on the defense, Jon Cyprien, free to roam. Running a base 3-3-5 set allows you to essentially use a safety much like the classic 3-4 or 4-3 will scheme to give you an Elephant or Leo position, except within the second level. This evolution started to some degree with Ed Reed, but the Packers with Charles Woodson were able to show how much damage you could cause to an offense with a hybrid safety. Cyprien is not a great pass defender and he can still be fooled as a rookie schematically, however let him run free and he will make skill players pay for it. The Jags just need to let that kid loose, they've got nothing to lose at this point.

Last year, you couldn't tell how much of the running game problem for the Titans was offensive line related ( Leroy Harris was by far the worst starting guard in the NFL) and how much was about CJ2K getting hit consistently behind the line of scrimmage and how much of it was a talent/effort factor from Johnson himself. Without Britt-le to stretch the field and with Locker looking very much like a young QB last year, plus his injury, there were a lot of reasons to hesitate on pinpointing CJ2K's effort

This year, Locker is vastly improved, the O line is vastly improved, Washington and Wright are doing enough, at least at replacement level, to stretch the field vertically and horizontally to open up some space.

There are times, IMHO, and far too often, CJ2k just doesn't want it bad enough. Watch some game film of Khiry Robinson and watch some film of Johnson. Robinson is naturally violent runner. He's not as talented as Johnson, but if you put that kid out there, he's the kind of player that makes defenses just want to throw their hands up in the air. Because he will keep coming at you like the Terminator. Blow him up and he will crawl at you. Crush him some more and he will drag himself by his fingers at you. Put him out there without a helmet and Robinson would still put his foot to the pedal, start a 15 car pileup at the line of scrimmage, punch a DE in the mouth, take his helmet and start beating up cornerbacks with it until someone hit him with a Taser. At some point, it stops being about scheme, about vision, about when to make your cut, about how you operate in open space, about your linemen, at some point, it's about going out and wanting to take someone elses lunch from them.

I've seen plenty of Titans ball and I'd like to see CJ2K run like someone was on the sideline holding a knife to his mothers throat. Instead I see a guy who looks bored half the time and dives for dirt faster than Todd Pinkston would reveal his alligator arms. Did he run great last game? Sure, because he knew he was going to get benched soon, and would lose some of that pro athlete lifestyle luster for it. Sorry for wanting a player who will give you everything, instead of doing just enough to keep his damn job.

Sam Phillips: You know exactly what I'm telling you. We've already heard that song a hundred times. Just like that. Just... like... how... you... sing it.

Johnny Cash: Well you didn't let us bring it home.

Sam Phillips: Bring... bring it home? All right, let's bring it home. If you was hit by a truck and you was lying out there in that gutter dying, and you had time to sing *one* song. Huh? One song that people would remember before you're dirt. One song that would let God know how you felt about your time here on Earth. One song that would sum you up. You tellin' me that's the song you'd sing? That same Jimmy Davis tune we hear on the radio all day, about your peace within, and how it's real, and how you're gonna shout it? Or... would you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourself.
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The above is something CJ2K would never understand, it's why I think he's a waste of potential.

People here can do what they want, but to me, CJ2K is the kind of player who will do just barely enough to keep his job. I wouldn't trust him pumping gas at an AM/PM, much less on my fantasy team.
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Exactly it is your opinion. You have no idea what Chris Johnson thinks. All that rambling didn't really prove anything except how you really feel about cj. He must have burned you last year.

 
GordonGekko said:
Reegus said:
Are you cj's shrink?
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It's responses like yours that pollute the Shark Pool. Don't like my football opinion? Then come after my football opinion instead of ad hominem. ( You'll have to look up ad hominem on Google, I'm sure, read it carefully and try to learn something)

Irregardless of RB talent or number of snaps or opportunity, matchups between offensive and defensive lines are huge, and are often ignored in fantasy, esp by team owners who don't do IDP.

With so many teams running out nearly all the time in a base 3WR or 2TE offense, lots of defenses are stuck in their nickel packages most of the game. With a middling D line and no real playmakers at LB except Poz ( Allen is servicable, knows his job but won't give you much variable skill other than run support), if you bring in another nickel safety, you can set the most talented player on the defense, Jon Cyprien, free to roam. Running a base 3-3-5 set allows you to essentially use a safety much like the classic 3-4 or 4-3 will scheme to give you an Elephant or Leo position, except within the second level. This evolution started to some degree with Ed Reed, but the Packers with Charles Woodson were able to show how much damage you could cause to an offense with a hybrid safety. Cyprien is not a great pass defender and he can still be fooled as a rookie schematically, however let him run free and he will make skill players pay for it. The Jags just need to let that kid loose, they've got nothing to lose at this point.

Last year, you couldn't tell how much of the running game problem for the Titans was offensive line related ( Leroy Harris was by far the worst starting guard in the NFL) and how much was about CJ2K getting hit consistently behind the line of scrimmage and how much of it was a talent/effort factor from Johnson himself. Without Britt-le to stretch the field and with Locker looking very much like a young QB last year, plus his injury, there were a lot of reasons to hesitate on pinpointing CJ2K's effort

This year, Locker is vastly improved, the O line is vastly improved, Washington and Wright are doing enough, at least at replacement level, to stretch the field vertically and horizontally to open up some space.

There are times, IMHO, and far too often, CJ2k just doesn't want it bad enough. Watch some game film of Khiry Robinson and watch some film of Johnson. Robinson is naturally violent runner. He's not as talented as Johnson, but if you put that kid out there, he's the kind of player that makes defenses just want to throw their hands up in the air. Because he will keep coming at you like the Terminator. Blow him up and he will crawl at you. Crush him some more and he will drag himself by his fingers at you. Put him out there without a helmet and Robinson would still put his foot to the pedal, start a 15 car pileup at the line of scrimmage, punch a DE in the mouth, take his helmet and start beating up cornerbacks with it until someone hit him with a Taser. At some point, it stops being about scheme, about vision, about when to make your cut, about how you operate in open space, about your linemen, at some point, it's about going out and wanting to take someone elses lunch from them.

I've seen plenty of Titans ball and I'd like to see CJ2K run like someone was on the sideline holding a knife to his mothers throat. Instead I see a guy who looks bored half the time and dives for dirt faster than Todd Pinkston would reveal his alligator arms. Did he run great last game? Sure, because he knew he was going to get benched soon, and would lose some of that pro athlete lifestyle luster for it. Sorry for wanting a player who will give you everything, instead of doing just enough to keep his damn job.

Sam Phillips: You know exactly what I'm telling you. We've already heard that song a hundred times. Just like that. Just... like... how... you... sing it.

Johnny Cash: Well you didn't let us bring it home.

Sam Phillips: Bring... bring it home? All right, let's bring it home. If you was hit by a truck and you was lying out there in that gutter dying, and you had time to sing *one* song. Huh? One song that people would remember before you're dirt. One song that would let God know how you felt about your time here on Earth. One song that would sum you up. You tellin' me that's the song you'd sing? That same Jimmy Davis tune we hear on the radio all day, about your peace within, and how it's real, and how you're gonna shout it? Or... would you sing somethin' different. Somethin' real. Somethin' *you* felt. Cause I'm telling you right now, that's the kind of song people want to hear. That's the kind of song that truly saves people. It ain't got nothin to do with believin' in God, Mr. Cash. It has to do with believin' in yourself.
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The above is something CJ2K would never understand, it's why I think he's a waste of potential.

People here can do what they want, but to me, CJ2K is the kind of player who will do just barely enough to keep his job. I wouldn't trust him pumping gas at an AM/PM, much less on my fantasy team.
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How many games has CJ2K missed? If sliding and avoiding pointless collisions means that he's almost guaranteed 16 games per season then that's absolutely the correct decision on his part

 
Simon Shepherd said:
Topes said:
Any CJ owner can attest this is not a dumb question/topic.
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If you own CJ and you won't start him this week, why on earth did you draft/acquire him in the first place?
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For BYE week coverage.

Neither McCoy nor Lacy is on BYE this week.

Many of the people projecting Chris Johnson to have a great week this week are not Johnson owners.

I can see good reason to project him for a great game.

But I've had him in this keeper league since his rookie year. I've seen a lot of suck in his stat line, especially where it shouldn't be.

For long-time Johnson owners with quality depth, starting Johnson is not a no-brainer. Sure, he's projected for elite stats this week. Nearly every week, one or more RBs projected in the Top-5 is a complete misfire. I'm completely fine with projecting him in the Top-5. Expecting him to meet those expectations, however..? That's a different ball of wax. It's been years since folks could put Chris Johnson into their starting lineups with deserved confidence.

Chris Johnson - start him or sit him?

Obviously, the answer requires context.

Personally, I'm on the fence about starting him over Lacy this week. I'm sure there are other owners trying to decide between Chris Johnson and another RB1.

 
Starting with confidence. Traded for him during his bye so I have been very happy with my one game sample.

Also, my other choice is Ray Rice.

 
SportsGuru311 said:
I would start him. he is still a very good back
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"still"? So does that mean you are giving him a pass on last weeks performance?

This whole thread is silly. I get that the question may be relevent to the small percentage of teams that have three RB#1s this week but for the other 99% of leagues he is a no brainer start. Ignore the fact that he is ranked as a top ten option. The whole fantasy world has been talking about how easy his end of season schedule is. So if you won't start him against the easiest possible opponent why would you be holding onto him?

 
Looking back at his 2013, the increased passing attention has really helped improve his overall stock.

Plus, his two true stinker games were against the Jets and Seahawks.

Still, he's nursing the 3.7 YPC number.

I'll certainly concede he's a good option for most teams this week. I still miss the Light Blue Jesus days. I'm old.

 
Topes said:
Looking back at his 2013, the increased passing attention has really helped improve his overall stock.

Plus, his two true stinker games were against the Jets and Seahawks.

Still, he's nursing the 3.7 YPC number.

I'll certainly concede he's a good option for most teams this week. I still miss the Light Blue Jesus days. I'm old.
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Besides the schedule getting easier, his numbers have really been helped by getting more targets in the passing game. Since week 5 he is 4th in PPG.

 
what are ppl doing this week against a strong AZ run defence? I'm not feeling real confident starting CJ_k this week to the point where I'm debating Cruz or Jordan Cameron.

 
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