Chris Wallace announces he is leaving Fox for CNN (1 Viewer)

[identikit]

I didn't say he didn't. I am sure Alan Colmes was sincere too, but like Colmes Juan Williams is a poor spokesperson for the liberal point of view. 

Agree to disagree

 

[Juxtatarot]

I know the right will wishcast the CNN+ failure into something that has to do with wokeism backlash or whatever, but FoxNews+ wouldn’t make it, either. As much as cable news seems to dominate the oxygen in the room, especially places like here or in any circles of people who tend to be consumed with politics, the fact is cable news viewership in general is still fairly low. So why the accounting nerds at Time Warner decided to add a paid version is beyond my comprehension. I spend most of my time here in the Stock thread and I’d be warning against buying that stock just based on the CNN+ decision alone. 

ESPN+ isn’t a good comparison because it really offers a ton of value if you like college football/basketball and soccer, especially. Well worth it in that case. CNN+? I mean, why? 

I don’t frequently watch cable TV news, but when I have, the commercials are awful. Regular viewers are used to it, of course, but I can’t imagine younger viewers will ever gravitate to that model.

TV news will have to change to a subscription based, ad-free model at some point. Exactly when and how that will happen, I’m not sure.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

CNN+ was always a terrible idea. The thought that a sustainable and growing number of people would want to pay for a streaming service focused on "news" seems laughable.

 

[jamny]

They don’t provide subscriber numbers, but I can see that doing well enough to survive since FOX more or less has the entire R viewership locked up (I know there’s other outlets but they pale in comparison) while the media landscape for everyone else is much more fragmented.

You say that FoxNews+ wouldn't make it but when it is pointed out that their version of CNN+ has been on for 4 years you give a "yeah, but"?

 

[McBokonon]

You say that FoxNews+ wouldn't make it but when it is pointed out that their version of CNN+ has been on for 4 years you give a "yeah, but"?

I don’t actually know how well they’re doing because they don’t report subscriber numbers. If they report subscriber numbers and show they’re making a decent amount of money (or a trajectory towards profitability) from them (as opposed to keeping the platform going despite no real financial success, which is also not automatically a bad thing during these early stages if they’re trying to build the subscription base and have a plan to monetize later) I’ll absolutely admit I was wrong. I have no problem with that. 

 

[ekbeats]

Agree to disagree

Been watching him for  40 years

There's no 'supposedly' with Juan.  He's believes what he says 100%

I don’t like Juan’s politics, but he is extremely effective at arguing the Liberal side.  Geraldo has lost his fastball with age.  Harold Ford Jr.  is classy and soft spoken, so I’d say he is more the Alan Colmes type that sqius was talking about.  Tarlov is classy and very reasonable.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Feels like Clemens leaving the sawx for the yankees, lol.

 

[The Dude]

I didn't say he didn't. I am sure Alan Colmes was sincere too, but like Colmes Juan Williams is a poor spokesperson for the liberal point of view. 

Wrong

 

[squistion]

Wrong

I have watched him for years and he is an embarrassment to represent progressives and/or liberal viewpoints (which is why Fox has kept him on all this time). 

 

[Sea Duck]

CNN+ was always a terrible idea. The thought that a sustainable and growing number of people would want to pay for a streaming service focused on "news" seems laughable.

The model seems to work for right-leaning media outlets, though.

 

[Phil Elliott]

The model seems to work for right-leaning media outlets, though.

I think it's more the content. All most every media company has a streaming service now. We went from one cable service to cutting the cord and a dozen streaming sources. Now I think we are going to see some consolidation of the services.

 

[ekbeats]

Feels like Clemens leaving the sawx for the yankees, lol.

“RAWJA CLEMENS IS IN GEORGE’S  BAWX!  OF ALL THE DRAMATICS!  OH MY GOODNESS , GOODNESS GRACIOUS!”

 

[McBokonon]

“RAWJA CLEMENS IS IN GEORGE’S  BAWX!  OF ALL THE DRAMATICS!  OH MY GOODNESS , GOODNESS GRACIOUS!”

This was the baseball version of Tom Cruise jumping up and down on Oprah’s couch.

 

[ekbeats]

This was the baseball version of Tom Cruise jumping up and down on Oprah’s couch.

Absolutely hilarious.  I listen to that clip at least once a year.  "Jorge Posada - he knew!"

 

[Ghost Rider]

Megyn Kelly's take on why CNN Plus failed: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNO2t93Gcsk

I suspect that is mostly accurate.  Kelly's arrogant "our ratings were so awesome" attitude can be eye-rolling, and she conveniently ignores the fact that Trump basically ended her at Fox (once their feud got ramped up, a lot of conservatives turned on her), but her take on CNN seems mostly correct.  They are a shell of what they were once. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

Megyn Kelly's take on why CNN Plus failed: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNO2t93Gcsk

I suspect that is mostly accurate.  Kelly's arrogant "our ratings were so awesome" attitude can be eye-rolling, and she conveniently ignores the fact that Trump basically ended her at Fox (once their feud got ramped up, a lot of conservatives turned on her), but her take on CNN seems mostly correct.  They are a shell of what they were once. 

If she's right on the viewer numbers, that's pretty incredible how low they are.

And make sense for why CNN+ failed. "Let's offer more of what they're not watching". 

 

[Joe Bryant]

It is interesting as I'm old enough to remember when CNN was seen as the impartial voice. 

I think Kelly hit it in the video, they went MSNBC but without the honesty. 

 

[Joe Bryant]

For another less gloating perspective than Kelly, Wall Street Journal had this. https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/the-journal/the-quick-end-to-cnn/65f20b85-6dcc-4426-a7ee-57cb5039843e

 

[Juxtatarot]

Megyn Kelly's take on why CNN Plus failed: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNO2t93Gcsk

I suspect that is mostly accurate.  Kelly's arrogant "our ratings were so awesome" attitude can be eye-rolling, and she conveniently ignores the fact that Trump basically ended her at Fox (once their feud got ramped up, a lot of conservatives turned on her), but her take on CNN seems mostly correct.  They are a shell of what they were once. 

She suggests that CNN would have been better off trying to be more neutral about Trump coverage.  I don’t think that would have worked either. People don’t want that anymore. They want to be engaged. There are many entertainment options these days. No room for plain.

 

[Ghost Rider]

She suggests that CNN would have been better off trying to be more neutral about Trump coverage.  I don’t think that would have worked either. People don’t want that anymore. They want to be engaged. There are many entertainment options these days. No room for plain.

I think her point was that they didn't do it with enough intellectual honesty.  It is easy to excoriate Trump using facts, but she feels that CNN did in a way that made them come off like partisan hacks, which is why many didn't start tuning it again after Trump lost in 2020.  It sure doesn't help that most of the CNN evening hosts have the charisma and personality of drying paint. I think the exception has always been Anderson Cooper (whom I know Megyn Kelly likes as she was on his show at least a few times way back in the day and you could tell they were pretty chummy).

 

[Joe Bryant]

She suggests that CNN would have been better off trying to be more neutral about Trump coverage.  I don’t think that would have worked either. People don’t want that anymore. They want to be engaged. There are many entertainment options these days. No room for plain.

I think what she meant is not neutral.

But not the "I have a personal responsibility to drop the objectivity as a journalist and instead try to do all I can to remove him from office".

There's a lot of range between those two points.

 

[dickey moe]

If she's right on the viewer numbers, that's pretty incredible how low they are.

And make sense for why CNN+ failed. "Let's offer more of what they're not watching". 

"... and ask them to PAY for it!" 

 

[FairWarning]

She suggests that CNN would have been better off trying to be more neutral about Trump coverage.  I don’t think that would have worked either. People don’t want that anymore. They want to be engaged. There are many entertainment options these days. No room for plain.

A lot of truth in this as NewsNation would be far bigger if people just wanted news.