Cindy Sheehan calls it quits (1 Viewer)

[bigbottom]

I pray that one day she can find enough inner peace that the pain of losing her son doesn't become an all encompassing grief that she can't get out of. And I pray that because I know that if I lost my son the level of dispair and grief I would fall to would be impossible to climb out of. I don't know how military families do it.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

For those of you claiming her sons death meant something to you, can you explain what it meant to you?

 

[Warpig]

The woman lost her son.

That is precisely why I never had an issue with her actions. No parent should have to go through the unbelievable pain of burying their child.

Especially for one man's personal war.

 

[beavers]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country?

 

[redman]

If I lost my child I may go slightly crazy, too. I'm not saying she is or isn't (crazy, rational, smart, dumb, whatever). I'm just saying that I don't really begrudge her motivations.That being said, I do feel bad for her. I do think she was over her head, dealing with people (both her "enemies" and her "allies") who cared little about her or her ideas.There but the grace of god go I.

The parents and family members of the other 3500 members of the armed services who lost their lives in Iraq since 2003 have managed to avoid making spectacles of themselves.

Cindy Sheehan saw what she perceived as an injustice and fought long and hard against that injustice. I'm guessing that the majority of the parents and family members of the other 3500 dead don't view the Iraq War in the same way that Cindy does. So it's not so much that the other families "managed to avoid making spectacles of themselves," it's that, unlike Cindy, many of them see no injustice or meaningless sacrifice in their loved one's death.

Whether unanimous or the minority (referencing your "majority" statement), the fact is she's unique in that regard, and that speaks for itself in terms of how "reasonable" it is. Nobody disputes her right to speak, but it's fair comment on her discretion in that regard.

 

[Soonerman]

The woman lost her son.

That is precisely why I never had an issue with her actions. No parent should have to go through the unbelievable pain of burying their child.

Especially for one man's personal war. :(

Saddam, right?

 

[redman]

The woman lost her son.

That is precisely why I never had an issue with her actions. No parent should have to go through the unbelievable pain of burying their child.

Especially for one man's personal war. :(

Saddam, right?

Well, he certainly can't mean Bush. He's not smart enough to have pulled that off, doncha know.Maybe he meant Hillary . . .

 

[Warpig]

The woman lost her son.

That is precisely why I never had an issue with her actions. No parent should have to go through the unbelievable pain of burying their child.

Especially for one man's personal war. :(

Saddam, right?

Isn't he dead?

 

[Warpig]

The woman lost her son.

That is precisely why I never had an issue with her actions. No parent should have to go through the unbelievable pain of burying their child.

Especially for one man's personal war.

Saddam, right?

Well, he certainly can't mean Bush. He's not smart enough to have pulled that off, doncha know.Maybe he meant Hillary . . .

:( Hillary for PREZ!

 

[PatsWillWin]

The woman lost her son.

That is precisely why I never had an issue with her actions. No parent should have to go through the unbelievable pain of burying their child.

Especially for one man's personal war.

This is precisely my problem with this women.She became a political figure. By her own doing. Grief is one thing, and I certainly do not begrudge a human being their right to speak publicly about their grief and lash out at the war that took her son from her..but she went beyond that, and when she took on the mantle of the leader of the anti-War movement in this country, she became a political figure and stepped into a political ring.

Why is this a problem to me? Because of what is written above. She lost a son, and of course that is a horrible thing that no parent should ever have to suffer...but the idea that because she lost a son, she is beyond critcism for what she does in a political ring is offensive to me. So now you have this person, and other mothers, who have a political agenda who are supposedly above criticsm because eeeeeeeveryone is afraid to say a negative word about a greiving mother.

I think it's total BS, personally. SHE is the one who chose to politicize her son's death, it wasn't the evil media. Once she chose to do that, she becomes a regular figure like everyone else and is open to criticism like everyone else.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I now fully expect to get reemed. Ironically, that will prove my point.

 

[beavers]

The woman lost her son.

That is precisely why I never had an issue with her actions. No parent should have to go through the unbelievable pain of burying their child.

Especially for one man's personal war.

Saddam, right?

Isn't he dead?

Along with his weapons of mass destruction. What's this war about again? Liberation of the Iraqi's? WMD's? Removing Sadaam from power? Freedom french fries? Exclusive government contracts for Haliburton?Man, if I lost a family member over oil or a war that doesn't have a definition, I'd go crazy like Cindy too.

 

[Colin Dowling]

I imagine her grief is not something I can understand, so neither are her actions. THat said, from where I sit, the way she chose to go about protesting the war was inappropriate. The fact that she had a "right" to do so is immaterial; just like those Church folks who have a "right" to protest at soldiers funerals, I find the way it's done to be inappropriate.

Perhaps Cindy got caught up in suddenly being a visible figure. Perhaps she was trying to do something good and somehow the path ended up with her hanging out with Chavez. Maybe she was interested in the money more then anything and now that the book deals are done the appearance fees have dried up, she's heading home. Whatever it was, I don't care. I recognize her right to protest as she sees fit. I disagree with and do not respect the way she did so and I, for one, am thankful I won't have to see her anywhere in the news going forward (hopefully).

 

[Soonerman]

The woman lost her son.

That is precisely why I never had an issue with her actions. No parent should have to go through the unbelievable pain of burying their child.

Especially for one man's personal war.

Saddam, right?

Isn't he dead?

Along with his weapons of mass destruction. What's this war about again? Liberation of the Iraqi's? WMD's? Removing Sadaam from power? Freedom french fries? Exclusive government contracts for Haliburton?Man, if I lost a family member over oil or a war that doesn't have a definition, I'd go crazy like Cindy too.

I believe you.

 

[nortobc]

 

[dickey moe]

The woman lost her son. It's not like she wrecked a car that can be replaced. She's entitled to say whatever she wants, in any way she wants.

And we're free to call her out on any of her bull####.

 

[dickey moe]

For those of you claiming her sons death meant something to you, can you explain what it meant to you?

It meant he was willing to risk his life for this country -- the most noble act I can imagine.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country?

For me, the military, police, fire and other public servants are the most admirable of professions and each and every person's sacrifice, whether it be their life, their time away from families, or the risk of serious injury or harm they put themselves in on a daily basis is absolutely meaningful to me. Am I allowed to question the decision of the commander in chief and the politicians who choose how to fight this war? Sure. But this young man's decision to fight for our country should NEVER, F'N EVER be said to have been for nothing. He is to be honored and admired. SO FREAKING IRONIC THAT TODAY IS THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY AND I HAVE TO FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS.

 

[bigbottom]

If I lost my child I may go slightly crazy, too. I'm not saying she is or isn't (crazy, rational, smart, dumb, whatever). I'm just saying that I don't really begrudge her motivations.That being said, I do feel bad for her. I do think she was over her head, dealing with people (both her "enemies" and her "allies") who cared little about her or her ideas.There but the grace of god go I.

The parents and family members of the other 3500 members of the armed services who lost their lives in Iraq since 2003 have managed to avoid making spectacles of themselves.

Cindy Sheehan saw what she perceived as an injustice and fought long and hard against that injustice. I'm guessing that the majority of the parents and family members of the other 3500 dead don't view the Iraq War in the same way that Cindy does. So it's not so much that the other families "managed to avoid making spectacles of themselves," it's that, unlike Cindy, many of them see no injustice or meaningless sacrifice in their loved one's death.

Whether unanimous or the minority (referencing your "majority" statement), the fact is she's unique in that regard, and that speaks for itself in terms of how "reasonable" it is. Nobody disputes her right to speak, but it's fair comment on her discretion in that regard.

For those family members who do view the Iraq war as an injustice in the same way that Cindy does, I'm guessing that a fair number of those folks lack the courage, commitment and resolve that Cindy had to take on the administration in an attempt to effect change. What you call a "spectacle," some people call leadership, sacrifice and dedication to a cause. Sure, there were a lot of folks who tacitly supported the civil rights movement. But only a small fraction were willing to put their lives on the line in an effort to effect change. You or I may disagree with Cindy's fight, but I respect the fact that she was willing to fight the fight, against insurmountable odds, to do what she thought was right, despite the inevitability of people minimizing her cause by calling her an attention whore, and accusing her of besmirching the memory of her son. So comment on her however you like. You have that right and I'm not criticizing you for it. But to be frank, I sometimes wish I had the courage to dedicate myself fully to a cause I believed in. And I find it sad that after all that she has been through, she has been worn down and is now giving up.

 

[beavers]

For those of you claiming her sons death meant something to you, can you explain what it meant to you?

It meant he was willing to risk his life for this country -- the most noble act I can imagine.

For his country??? I am not sure what you mean by this.

 

[Soonerman]

If I lost my child I may go slightly crazy, too. I'm not saying she is or isn't (crazy, rational, smart, dumb, whatever). I'm just saying that I don't really begrudge her motivations.That being said, I do feel bad for her. I do think she was over her head, dealing with people (both her "enemies" and her "allies") who cared little about her or her ideas.There but the grace of god go I.

The parents and family members of the other 3500 members of the armed services who lost their lives in Iraq since 2003 have managed to avoid making spectacles of themselves.

Cindy Sheehan saw what she perceived as an injustice and fought long and hard against that injustice. I'm guessing that the majority of the parents and family members of the other 3500 dead don't view the Iraq War in the same way that Cindy does. So it's not so much that the other families "managed to avoid making spectacles of themselves," it's that, unlike Cindy, many of them see no injustice or meaningless sacrifice in their loved one's death.

Whether unanimous or the minority (referencing your "majority" statement), the fact is she's unique in that regard, and that speaks for itself in terms of how "reasonable" it is. Nobody disputes her right to speak, but it's fair comment on her discretion in that regard.

For those family members who do view the Iraq war as an injustice in the same way that Cindy does, I'm guessing that a fair number of those folks lack the courage, commitment and resolve that Cindy had to take on the administration in an attempt to effect change. What you call a "spectacle," some people call leadership, sacrifice and dedication to a cause. Sure, there were a lot of folks who tacitly supported the civil rights movement. But only a small fraction were willing to put their lives on the line in an effort to effect change. You or I may disagree with Cindy's fight, but I respect the fact that she was willing to fight the fight, against insurmountable odds, to do what she thought was right, despite the inevitability of people minimizing her cause by calling her an attention whore, and accusing her of besmirching the memory of her son. So comment on her however you like. You have that right and I'm not criticizing you for it. But to be frank, I sometimes wish I had the courage to dedicate myself fully to a cause I believed in. And I find it sad that after all that she has been through, she has been worn down and is now giving up.

It's possible to be a reasonable opponent of the war. Calling everyone who disagrees with you a liar/murderer, making anti-semitic statements, and hobnobbing with dictators is not going to maximize your effectiveness.That said, I feel sorry for her loss as well as all the parents of casualties.

 

[cartel]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country?

For me, the military, police, fire and other public servants are the most admirable of professions and each and every person's sacrifice, whether it be their life, their time away from families, or the risk of serious injury or harm they put themselves in on a daily basis is absolutely meaningful to me. Am I allowed to question the decision of the commander in chief and the politicians who choose how to fight this war? Sure. But this young man's decision to fight for our country should NEVER, F'N EVER be said to have been for nothing. He is to be honored and admired. SO FREAKING IRONIC THAT TODAY IS THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY AND I HAVE TO FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS.

I am not sure what your point is. No one on this board said her son's death was meaningless. Ms Sheehan did. I think she knows a little more about the value of her son's death in reguards to her then you do.

 

[Aaronl5]

I gotta give her props. It is cool to see someone stand up for what they believe.

 

[redman]

If I lost my child I may go slightly crazy, too. I'm not saying she is or isn't (crazy, rational, smart, dumb, whatever). I'm just saying that I don't really begrudge her motivations.That being said, I do feel bad for her. I do think she was over her head, dealing with people (both her "enemies" and her "allies") who cared little about her or her ideas.There but the grace of god go I.

The parents and family members of the other 3500 members of the armed services who lost their lives in Iraq since 2003 have managed to avoid making spectacles of themselves.

Cindy Sheehan saw what she perceived as an injustice and fought long and hard against that injustice. I'm guessing that the majority of the parents and family members of the other 3500 dead don't view the Iraq War in the same way that Cindy does. So it's not so much that the other families "managed to avoid making spectacles of themselves," it's that, unlike Cindy, many of them see no injustice or meaningless sacrifice in their loved one's death.

Whether unanimous or the minority (referencing your "majority" statement), the fact is she's unique in that regard, and that speaks for itself in terms of how "reasonable" it is. Nobody disputes her right to speak, but it's fair comment on her discretion in that regard.

For those family members who do view the Iraq war as an injustice in the same way that Cindy does, I'm guessing that a fair number of those folks lack the courage, commitment and resolve that Cindy had to take on the administration in an attempt to effect change. What you call a "spectacle," some people call leadership, sacrifice and dedication to a cause. Sure, there were a lot of folks who tacitly supported the civil rights movement. But only a small fraction were willing to put their lives on the line in an effort to effect change. You or I may disagree with Cindy's fight, but I respect the fact that she was willing to fight the fight, against insurmountable odds, to do what she thought was right, despite the inevitability of people minimizing her cause by calling her an attention whore, and accusing her of besmirching the memory of her son. So comment on her however you like. You have that right and I'm not criticizing you for it. But to be frank, I sometimes wish I had the courage to dedicate myself fully to a cause I believed in. And I find it sad that after all that she has been through, she has been worn down and is now giving up.

I agree with everything you wrote except insofar as you applied it to Cindy Sheehan. Perhaps it's a matter of degree rather than kind, but I think that her actions at least allowed her to be depicted, if not accurately depicted, her as a complete nutjob who exploited her son's sacrifice to make her political statement. People forget that she's not the only person in her family who lost something, and her son was the one who lost the most. Somehow his views on the subject are forgotten when it comes to discussing her.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country?

For me, the military, police, fire and other public servants are the most admirable of professions and each and every person's sacrifice, whether it be their life, their time away from families, or the risk of serious injury or harm they put themselves in on a daily basis is absolutely meaningful to me. Am I allowed to question the decision of the commander in chief and the politicians who choose how to fight this war? Sure. But this young man's decision to fight for our country should NEVER, F'N EVER be said to have been for nothing. He is to be honored and admired. SO FREAKING IRONIC THAT TODAY IS THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY AND I HAVE TO FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS.

I am not sure what your point is. No one on this board said her son's death was meaningless. Ms Sheehan did. I think she knows a little more about the value of her son's death in reguards to her then you do.

No. No she doesn't.Empirically, his sacrifice is meaningful. Period.

 

[Rayderr]

I gotta give her props. It is cool to see someone stand up for what they believe.

You think she's the only one? Hell, we got a couple dozen on this board that stand up for opposing beliefs.

 

[cartel]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country?

For me, the military, police, fire and other public servants are the most admirable of professions and each and every person's sacrifice, whether it be their life, their time away from families, or the risk of serious injury or harm they put themselves in on a daily basis is absolutely meaningful to me. Am I allowed to question the decision of the commander in chief and the politicians who choose how to fight this war? Sure. But this young man's decision to fight for our country should NEVER, F'N EVER be said to have been for nothing. He is to be honored and admired. SO FREAKING IRONIC THAT TODAY IS THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY AND I HAVE TO FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS.

I am not sure what your point is. No one on this board said her son's death was meaningless. Ms Sheehan did. I think she knows a little more about the value of her son's death in reguards to her then you do.

No. No she doesn't.Empirically, his sacrifice is meaningful. Period.

A sacrifice only has meaning if someone values it. You value his sacrifice she does not. Therefor the sacrifice is meaningful tp you not to her. To bad it is her son, because she is the one paying the emotional price.

 

[Mr. Chumley]

If I lost my child I may go slightly crazy, too. I'm not saying she is or isn't (crazy, rational, smart, dumb, whatever). I'm just saying that I don't really begrudge her motivations.

That being said, I do feel bad for her. I do think she was over her head, dealing with people (both her "enemies" and her "allies") who cared little about her or her ideas.

There but the grace of god go I.

This woman was willingly used and abused by both sides. She has sacrificed more then most of us and gained nothing from it. This is a very sad story.

Fixed. She wasn't forced at gunpoint to be the face of the anti US, anti war crowd.

 

[aardball44]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country?

For me, the military, police, fire and other public servants are the most admirable of professions and each and every person's sacrifice, whether it be their life, their time away from families, or the risk of serious injury or harm they put themselves in on a daily basis is absolutely meaningful to me. Am I allowed to question the decision of the commander in chief and the politicians who choose how to fight this war? Sure. But this young man's decision to fight for our country should NEVER, F'N EVER be said to have been for nothing. He is to be honored and admired. SO FREAKING IRONIC THAT TODAY IS THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY AND I HAVE TO FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS.

I am not sure what your point is. No one on this board said her son's death was meaningless. Ms Sheehan did. I think she knows a little more about the value of her son's death in reguards to her then you do.

No. No she doesn't.Empirically, his sacrifice is meaningful. Period.

Given where we are in this war in Iraq, I'd say his sacrifice was about as meaningful as the sacrifice made by Michael Vick's dogs. Bloody, violent, controversial, defended by a dwindling number of enthusiasts...and ultimately unnecessary.

 

[Rayderr]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country?

For me, the military, police, fire and other public servants are the most admirable of professions and each and every person's sacrifice, whether it be their life, their time away from families, or the risk of serious injury or harm they put themselves in on a daily basis is absolutely meaningful to me. Am I allowed to question the decision of the commander in chief and the politicians who choose how to fight this war? Sure. But this young man's decision to fight for our country should NEVER, F'N EVER be said to have been for nothing. He is to be honored and admired. SO FREAKING IRONIC THAT TODAY IS THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY AND I HAVE TO FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS.

I am not sure what your point is. No one on this board said her son's death was meaningless. Ms Sheehan did. I think she knows a little more about the value of her son's death in reguards to her then you do.

No. No she doesn't.Empirically, his sacrifice is meaningful. Period.

Given where we are in this war in Iraq, I'd say his sacrifice was about as meaningful as the sacrifice made by Michael Vick's dogs. Bloody, violent, controversial, defended by a dwindling number of enthusiasts...and ultimately unnecessary.

Just a few weeks later, on April 4, 2004, Sheehan was killed in action after volunteering as part of a Quick Reaction Force to rescue American troops.

 

[dickey moe]

For those of you claiming her sons death meant something to you, can you explain what it meant to you?

It meant he was willing to risk his life for this country -- the most noble act I can imagine.

For his country??? I am not sure what you mean by this.

Really? What else do you call it when you volunteer for military service?

 

[Franknbeans]

I gotta give her props. It is cool to see someone stand up for what they believe.

You think she's the only one? Hell, we got a couple dozen on this board that stand up for opposing beliefs.

I'm pretty sure they're sitting

 

[Funkley]

It's the hippies fault here. They've led everyone to believe that they were the one's that got us out of Vietnam. No one likes to point out to them that there was another 7 years of war after the height of the Vietnam anit-war movement. Now along comes Cindy Sheehan and all those old hippies who now work as editors and reporters tab her as the face of the new anit-war movement. The problem of course is that antiwar movements never get us out of wars. So now she looks like a failure for something she never had a chance of success on. I feel bad for her loss and like others I hope she can find some inner peace now.

 

[Rhino]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country?

For me, the military, police, fire and other public servants are the most admirable of professions and each and every person's sacrifice, whether it be their life, their time away from families, or the risk of serious injury or harm they put themselves in on a daily basis is absolutely meaningful to me. Am I allowed to question the decision of the commander in chief and the politicians who choose how to fight this war? Sure. But this young man's decision to fight for our country should NEVER, F'N EVER be said to have been for nothing. He is to be honored and admired. SO FREAKING IRONIC THAT TODAY IS THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY AND I HAVE TO FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS.

Good Posting doesn't cover it here... Excellent Posting.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country?

For me, the military, police, fire and other public servants are the most admirable of professions and each and every person's sacrifice, whether it be their life, their time away from families, or the risk of serious injury or harm they put themselves in on a daily basis is absolutely meaningful to me. Am I allowed to question the decision of the commander in chief and the politicians who choose how to fight this war? Sure. But this young man's decision to fight for our country should NEVER, F'N EVER be said to have been for nothing. He is to be honored and admired. SO FREAKING IRONIC THAT TODAY IS THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY AND I HAVE TO FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS.

Good Posting doesn't cover it here... Excellent Posting.

Not really. The day after Memorial Day doesn't have anything to do with explaining what you mean when you say someone's death meant something to you. And when the explanation is finally given that it is "absolutely meaningful" to him it seems more like empty chest-thumping, flag-waiving, patriotic-posturing posting than good posting to me.

 

[Colin Dowling]

Not really. The day after Memorial Day doesn't have anything to do with explaining what you mean when you say someone's death meant something to you. And when the explanation is finally given that it is "absolutely meaningful" to him it seems more like empty chest-thumping, flag-waiving, patriotic-posturing posting than good posting to me.

It disappoints me to think that one person's passion is so easily dismissed as posturing by another.

 

[bigbottom]

Not really. The day after Memorial Day doesn't have anything to do with explaining what you mean when you say someone's death meant something to you. And when the explanation is finally given that it is "absolutely meaningful" to him it seems more like empty chest-thumping, flag-waiving, patriotic-posturing posting than good posting to me.

It disappoints me to think that one person's passion is so easily dismissed as posturing by another.

Nothing says passion like ALL CAPS.

 

[dickey moe]

Not really. The day after Memorial Day doesn't have anything to do with explaining what you mean when you say someone's death meant something to you. And when the explanation is finally given that it is "absolutely meaningful" to him it seems more like empty chest-thumping, flag-waiving, patriotic-posturing posting than good posting to me.

It disappoints me to think that one person's passion is so easily dismissed as posturing by another.

It's typical in here. Lots of people claiming to know what goes on in the hearts and minds of others.

 

[NorvilleBarnes]

Not really. The day after Memorial Day doesn't have anything to do with explaining what you mean when you say someone's death meant something to you. And when the explanation is finally given that it is "absolutely meaningful" to him it seems more like empty chest-thumping, flag-waiving, patriotic-posturing posting than good posting to me.

It disappoints me to think that one person's passion is so easily dismissed as posturing by another.

It's typical in here. Lots of people claiming to know what goes on in the hearts and minds of others.

I agree. Which is why I asked in the hopes of getting an actual answer. And not to pick on Idiot, I'll ask again: For those of you claiming that her sons death meant something to you, what did it mean to you?

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country? :X

For me, the military, police, fire and other public servants are the most admirable of professions and each and every person's sacrifice, whether it be their life, their time away from families, or the risk of serious injury or harm they put themselves in on a daily basis is absolutely meaningful to me. Am I allowed to question the decision of the commander in chief and the politicians who choose how to fight this war? Sure. But this young man's decision to fight for our country should NEVER, F'N EVER be said to have been for nothing. He is to be honored and admired. SO FREAKING IRONIC THAT TODAY IS THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY AND I HAVE TO FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS.

Good Posting doesn't cover it here... Excellent Posting.

Not really. The day after Memorial Day doesn't have anything to do with explaining what you mean when you say someone's death meant something to you. And when the explanation is finally given that it is "absolutely meaningful" to him it seems more like empty chest-thumping, flag-waiving, patriotic-posturing posting than good posting to me.

You may not like the war. You may not like the president. You may not like the system of government. But the role of our servicemen and women is vital to our way of life and to the operation of our system. Believe this war is foolhardy. I may or may not argue with you. Believe Casey Sheehan's death was avoidable. You might be right. Try to tell me it was "meaningless" and I will argue that point with you to no end.

And whether his sacrifice was meaningful is unaffected by the justness or unjustness of the war. The meaningfulness of Pat Tillman's sacrifice isn't lessened by any errors that were made and/or how he was killed. Their sacrifices were established at the time they chose to serve and made the commitment to give their life for their country.

Bemoan all you want about the war, its real meaning, the decisions of the those in power...but that doesn't change for a second the fact that these sacrifices are MEANINGFUL.

End Rant. If you don't see it, you won't.

 

[Rhino]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country? :X

For me, the military, police, fire and other public servants are the most admirable of professions and each and every person's sacrifice, whether it be their life, their time away from families, or the risk of serious injury or harm they put themselves in on a daily basis is absolutely meaningful to me. Am I allowed to question the decision of the commander in chief and the politicians who choose how to fight this war? Sure. But this young man's decision to fight for our country should NEVER, F'N EVER be said to have been for nothing. He is to be honored and admired. SO FREAKING IRONIC THAT TODAY IS THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY AND I HAVE TO FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS.

Good Posting doesn't cover it here... Excellent Posting.

Not really. The day after Memorial Day doesn't have anything to do with explaining what you mean when you say someone's death meant something to you. And when the explanation is finally given that it is "absolutely meaningful" to him it seems more like empty chest-thumping, flag-waiving, patriotic-posturing posting than good posting to me.

Are you just focusing on the last sentence because it's in all CAPS? This is about more than just Memorial Day. This is about a man who put his life on the line and made the ultimate sacfrifice because his country asked him to. Set your political opinions aside for a minute and try to focus on that, whether you think the war is "right" or not.

 

[Rayderr]

I posted it a while back, but Casey died while on a RESCUE mission. That is hardly meaningless.

 

[Chadstroma]

I feel sorry for her. Instead of celebrating her son she tried to thrust her pain outward. I can not fault her for it- I can not begin to imagine what it is like in her shoes, but I also do not have to agree with her just because I empathize with her.

Hopefully by turning to her other children and spending her efforts with family she will begin to heal.

 

[aardball44]

I posted it a while back, but Casey died while on a RESCUE mission. That is hardly meaningless.

I'm not arguing his death was meaningless.I'm arguing it was unnecessary. This has always been an unnecessary war, from the day it began. Unfortunately it's a lot more worse things than "unnecessary" now.

 

[Foosball God]

Her son's death isn't meaningless just because she says so.

Her son found his calling meaningful. She's upset he's gone, but the fact that she refused to accept his choice is where I have a beef with the woman.

His death meant something. To him, to me, to this country. I'm saddened that she feels it meaningless.

Could you elaborate on what his death meant to you or to this country?

For me, the military, police, fire and other public servants are the most admirable of professions and each and every person's sacrifice, whether it be their life, their time away from families, or the risk of serious injury or harm they put themselves in on a daily basis is absolutely meaningful to me. Am I allowed to question the decision of the commander in chief and the politicians who choose how to fight this war? Sure. But this young man's decision to fight for our country should NEVER, F'N EVER be said to have been for nothing. He is to be honored and admired. SO FREAKING IRONIC THAT TODAY IS THE DAY AFTER MEMORIAL DAY AND I HAVE TO FREAKING EXPLAIN THIS.

I am not sure what your point is. No one on this board said her son's death was meaningless. Ms Sheehan did. I think she knows a little more about the value of her son's death in reguards to her then you do.

No. No she doesn't.Empirically, his sacrifice is meaningful. Period.

A sacrifice only has meaning if someone values it. You value his sacrifice she does not. Therefor the sacrifice is meaningful tp you not to her. To bad it is her son, because she is the one paying the emotional price.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It's obvious that she feels his death was meaningless. But just because she thinks it is doesn't mean it is. She's not the only one paying the emotional price. Her family is paying that price too, and they haven't come out and said his death was meaningless.

 

[Foosball God]

I posted it a while back, but Casey died while on a RESCUE mission. That is hardly meaningless.

I'm not arguing his death was meaningless.I'm arguing it was unnecessary. This has always been an unnecessary war, from the day it began. Unfortunately it's a lot more worse things than "unnecessary" now.

What is your definition of a "necessary" war?

 

[beavers]

For those of you claiming her sons death meant something to you, can you explain what it meant to you?

It meant he was willing to risk his life for this country -- the most noble act I can imagine.

For his country??? I am not sure what you mean by this.

Really? What else do you call it when you volunteer for military service?

Today, when you volunteer for military service, you serve the interests of select individuals, not the citizens of our country. Don't you remember the Iraq wars???

 

[aardball44]

I posted it a while back, but Casey died while on a RESCUE mission. That is hardly meaningless.

I'm not arguing his death was meaningless.I'm arguing it was unnecessary. This has always been an unnecessary war, from the day it began. Unfortunately it's a lot more worse things than "unnecessary" now.

What is your definition of a "necessary" war?

Our 2002 foray into Afghanistan comes to mind.

 

[Foosball God]

For those of you claiming her sons death meant something to you, can you explain what it meant to you?

It meant he was willing to risk his life for this country -- the most noble act I can imagine.

For his country??? I am not sure what you mean by this.

Really? What else do you call it when you volunteer for military service?

Today, when you volunteer for military service, you serve the interests of select individuals, not the citizens of our country. Don't you remember the Iraq wars???

When was this ever not the case? I don't recall a time when the citizens of our country wielded the power to command the military.

 

[Foosball God]

I posted it a while back, but Casey died while on a RESCUE mission. That is hardly meaningless.

I'm not arguing his death was meaningless.I'm arguing it was unnecessary. This has always been an unnecessary war, from the day it began. Unfortunately it's a lot more worse things than "unnecessary" now.

What is your definition of a "necessary" war?

Our 2002 foray into Afghanistan comes to mind.

That's not a definition, that's an example.