igbomb
Footballguy
I have never looked at mine level when deciding whether to attack a base. I look at the numbers in the top left and then another look to see if I think the resources are in the mines or storage. Level of mines has no impact on me.
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sartre
Footballguy
Does anyone else read vertically as
SEE URL PCL
and then wonder what might be at pcl.com?
BroadwayG
Footballguy
Pots
Footballguy
It does, and you do even if you don't know it. You can raid up to 75% of uncollected resources but only up to 20% of collected resources. Thus a base who hasn't collected their resources with high collectors will make the 'numbers in the top left' you rely on much higher than a base with lower level collectors.
GregR
Footballguy
I tended to get attacked within 3 hours of logging out, at which point my undefended Town Hall is taken out and I get a 12 hour shield. I don't see it as an issue. An upgrade is +300 per hour for upgrades through level 10. 300 * 12 collectors * 3 hours = 10800 more resources. Only 50% of which can be stolen, so 5400 more resources than if you don't do the upgrade.
I don't think +2700 gold and +2700 elixir from one level of upgrades is going to make much of a difference in the level of attacks I face. Quadruple that and I don't think it will change much in the level of attacks I face.
Unless you're trying to lead the world in trophies and so are defending your TH, anyway.
igbomb
Footballguy
I still disagree.
The level of the mines isn't the driver. Higher level mines would simply lead to marginally more uncollected resources. The far bigger factor is how frequently players are collecting their resources.
A level 10 mine is only 7200 more gold per day, which means only 3600 incremental can be stolen per day (50% is the max). But I don't ever go a day without collecting, usually no more than 8 hours. So that is 1200 per mine, so less than 10,000 across all of my mines.
But the mine itself holds 100k. So the guy who rarely plays and lets a 16-hour shield run out without collecting from his mines is a far nicer target that I will be as a regular player, regardless of mine level.
sartre
Footballguy
I agree it probably would. But I think it skews the break-even points by quite a large margin.
I also think there is an impact on your stores as well, though admittedly to a much lesser degree.
To illustrate, imagine two bases with identical stores, containing what a looter would consider borderline ROI. The first base has level 10 mines that look slightly uncollected. The second base has level 3 mines that look nearly full. The former appears to have a higher "floor" (i.e., lower cost in case of failure).
Personally I would be more likely to take a stab (and go all-in) at the first then the second.
GregR
Footballguy
sartre
Footballguy
I concede that if you leave your TH outside, with the aim of getting free shields, then your juiciness as a target (determined in part by how much easy-access, uncollected gold/elixir your have around your base) is probably a relatively negligible factor.
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B-Deep
Footballguy
would you ever pass on someone because they had level 9 collectors instead of level 10?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Sheesh. I just "visited" the top guy in the top clan and it looks like he's playing a completely different game than what I'm playing. It's totally insane.
B-Deep
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
sartre
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
My bet is more that they're total morons that have sunk thousands of real dollars into the game. I bet that top guy has a billion of gold in his walls alone. Actually, probably twice that.
B-Deep
Footballguy
sartre
Footballguy
You probably should. There's a lot to evaluate in 30 seconds, for sure. But it's not just a matter of "resources available", but where those resources are located -- all in the store, behind 3 walls and heavy artillery, or is a good chunk of it around the perimeter within easy reach of goblins?
sartre
Footballguy
I read somewhere that to completely upgrade all walls, cost 2.2 billion gold. That's just absurd.
B-Deep
Footballguy
okYou probably should. There's a lot to evaluate in 30 seconds, for sure. But it's not just a matter of "resources available", but where those resources are located -- all in the store, behind 3 walls and heavy artillery, or is a good chunk of it around the perimeter within easy reach of goblins?
i look at the store and collectors to see where the resources are stored, but i canont identify i level 8 vs level 10 elixir collector, nor do i think i need to
GregR
Footballguy
I'm going to make them level 5 vs level 10 so it's a touch more relevant in the aspect I want to discuss, as level 4 just doesn't hold enough max capacity.
If he has, say, 50k lootable gold, and level 5 collectors, I get a good read on where his gold is located. His collectors can only hold 10k each of which 5k is lootable. If they look completely full I know about 20k of his gold is in his collectors. If however they show as empty (under 20% or 1k lootable), I know the bulk is in his storage and I will need to reach it to make an attack worthwhile.
If he has the level 10 collectors each can hold 100k of which 50k is lootable. Since he only has 50k lootable total, at most they each have 12.5k lootable (assuming he empties all of them at the same time). Under 20% (10k lootable) is the point where they show as completely empty. So his 4 mines could show as completely empty and I don't know if that means they have 0 gold and it is all in his collector, or if it means he has 9k gold in each and there's only 14k in his collector.
By having higher level collectors that he empties regularly, it took away knowledge on where his actual resources were. In the case where more of his resources are in his collectors, the lower level collectors increase the chance I'll hit them with a straight goblin rush because I can tell the resources are there. The higher level collectors I can't tell as easily if the gold is there, or if it is in his storage because "show as empty" encompasses a much bigger range.
It's also worth mentioning, the extra HP of the higher level collector does matter. Put 5k in a level 10 and you have to do more damage to it before you start getting coins out of it compared to 5k in a level 5. Same thing is true with storages, it is one of the only arguments in favor of upgrading storages before you need to actually hold that increased amount.
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igbomb
Footballguy
More or less. My criteria are a bit different, but it's a quick three second assessment.
I want at least 150K with at least 100K in either gold or elixir.
And if there are a ton of compartments, I'm out of there.
GregR
Footballguy
Pretty close for me too.
Though I don't always consider the barbian king as a skip. If he's out on the edge where I can draw him away from the base defenses, surround him with archers and barbs to kill him (which they can do pretty easily since he swings so slow), then it just comes down to whether the use of those troops to deal with him will detract from the rest of my attack.
Edit: igbomb's resource thing is closer to mine, and yes, compartments matter too. Grey walls (1 level 4 WB to breach) don't detract me as much as yellow walls or above (2 WB) for compartments.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
How many villages are you guys cycling through each time to find a target that meets those qualifications?
AcerFC
Footballguy
I pay 250 to see each village. Ill typically spend 15-20k until I find something. One time I spent close to 40
culdeus
Footballguy
I used to fear compartments, but lv3 lightning spells #### compartments up something fierce.
AcerFC
Footballguy
how so. I went level 3 heal and level 3 wiz. Skipped lightning cause I never use it
B-Deep
Footballguy
B-Deep
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
Look at the compartments and see what you fear the most, usually mortars. If it's in the center and he's got a nearby compartment or two you also want to hit you take out the mortar with two light spells and walls up to yellow are basically two giant hits from falling.
Now you've pre-broken down the walls, one mortar is down and nearby stuff is half down. WB to get into exterior troublesome air defense, giants kill it, healers, then once the giants work their way in out comes the archer horde.
babydemon90
Footballguy
2 days left before my TH7 finishes, I think I'll camp there for a bit.... Walls are still all gold, except for 3 sections I think I went pink! All my defense is either upgraded or upgrading though, so there's that. Collectors I just upgrade if I have time and nothing else pressing (which is rare). I have one high lvl gold collector, but I'd say my average gold collector is 8 or 9, and elixer collector is 7.
Thoughts on that massed barbarian/archer strategy? Is there a minimum # of troops to run it? I'm looking forward to the next camp at TH7, I've got 140 capactity now, which I think is too light to run that.
Thoughts on that massed barbarian/archer strategy? Is there a minimum # of troops to run it? I'm looking forward to the next camp at TH7, I've got 140 capactity now, which I think is too light to run that.
culdeus
Footballguy
I need to find it again. It's hard to locate. I basically took his gameplan of
2 healer
6 WB
2 light spells
12 Giants
Rest wizards
and changed to
Rest Archers
I can ruin any TH6 base with this with 150 ppl army. using clan troops also helps....
babydemon90
Footballguy
I pause at some of those 30k each bases.... wondering, should I bite the bullet and hit them? Better then nothing, but then I gotta wait the 15 min or so to recoup the troops. Maybe thats the benefit of lots of barbs, quick troop turnaround, just grab what you can, rebuild, etc... Healers take so long to rebuild.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
So you guys are looking at 60-80 villages each time to find a good target? Hmmm, maybe I need to be more patient. I'm hitting somewhat lesser targets than a lot of you. I'm probably only doing 20-30 at most.
babydemon90
Footballguy
yea, I usually cave at 20 or so and just hit anything that'll net me 40k of gold at least.
igbomb
Footballguy
Sometimes I get lucky and find one quick. Usually more like 10-20 but sometimes it can get 50+. It's hard to be patient but I like to guarantee my victory. Overwhelming force and all that.
babydemon90
Footballguy
This collectors - it's not the cost that deters me from going higher - they're not that expensive. It's tying up a builder for 3 days that I can't handle. Maybe if I sit at TH7 for a while I'll take the time to get them to lvl 9, right now, I always have something more urgent to put a builder on..
jplvr
Footballguy
I'm at like 860 million gold on the Gold Grab achievement. I have full lego walls (Level 9), and like 15 lavas (Level 10). It is absurd.
To those talking about sub200 a couple of pages back: Yes, it is a mindset some have and some don't. I still think it's the most efficient way to get gold as a TH6-8, but you pass up on dark elixir, and you have to stay online. I usually did about 2 mil an hour on average when I used the strategy, which was nice, but as you find at those TH levels, you don't have a lot of places to put all of that easy gold. Sure, farming is easiest at TH7, but if you're good at farming, you fly right through that level anyway. Farming is easy as can be until you start having to shell out 3 mil for one wall.
The inferno towers are a PITA. We're doing a trophy push in my current clan. I don't even mess with the disco balls (multi target), and stick to the ones set to attack singularly. I do Loonian and I'm trying to learn how to do hogs. The disco balls are to deal with hogs and loons. The single target infernos are set to repel attacks with Golems, I assume (GoWiWi and GoWiPe).
B-Deep
Footballguy
got_nugs
Footballguy
Yes, it's some construction site. It's actually the only way I read the intro anymore...glad i'm not the only weirdo.
GregR
Footballguy
This is where I'm going to be. TH7 and as mentioned before, I need 12m gold to spend for what only amount to about 12 defensive building upgrades left to do. And then another 32 million for walls. Even with those building upgrades being 3-5 days each I'm probably going to still have a lot of downtime for them to upgrade collectors. And a lot of extra elixir as it'll be the gold mines I'll want to upgrade anyway.
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