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Clash of Clans (Official thread) (12 Viewers)
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D-Day
Footballguy
So then you are saying to hit the TH for the trophy and skip everything else as proper etiquette. I don't want to be labeled as "that so-and-so who raided my stuff when he should have known to only hit the TH."
AcerFC
Footballguy
coyote5
Footballguy
Maybe don't lightning drop on DE storage during raids... you can probably expect retaliation for that. But even that, who really cares, take anything you can get!
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Imagine how this place would go off if we actually lost a war.
AcerFC
Footballguy
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coyote5
Footballguy
sartre
Footballguy
I was saving up 40K DE for my archer queen, and was 95% of the way there. Some jerk from the other side of the world went all out to get to my DE, and succeeded, stealing nearly 2k. What really steamed me though, was that he made no effort to take the exposed town hall -- so I didn't even get a shield out of it.
Then I realized, if I were him and needed every last resource to get to the DE, I wouldn't worry about giving a stranger the free shield either.
D-Day
Footballguy
I agree. I messes up on an attack last night that didn't take out the TH. After review, I just thought it was like hitting an HR, watching the ball go over the wall, and then walking the bases. I took a shower after that one.
AcerFC
Footballguy
Dont think anyone is mad. Annoyed maybe, not mad. Its a fake game on a magic football site
I am going to the Ranger game in 30 minutes. Anyone mind if I hit 16. I wont be able to get back on tonight much
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
it's pac 12! i wish these guys showed up in full force, looked like they were gonna give us a run for our money for a change. whoever said earlier they show up in first half and flutter in the second was spot on. no heart in true Trojan fashion.
Go Bruins!
I mean go FBGs!
sartre
Footballguy
I totally agree with the bolded. I was a disappointed when I checked the score this morning, realizing this war wouldn't be competitive after all.
Brony
Footballguy
Yep. We haven't had a lot of richard's in the clan to date so no need to pick up pitchforks and torches just yet. We should stick to the strategy not so much cause it's a path to winning, but moreso because it's a way to keep 50 people organized. If you need to deviate, explain your reasoning, but expect some ribbing.
Cyclones
Footballguy
I think we are clearly all good with Linak now, he's an active member of the clan and has good history of success for us. No harm no foul here, looks like we should be fine anyway.
As someone above pointed out, I think it was the "I don't want to waste 10 dragons" comment on your target that was more the issue anyway. I went through 696k elixir on L3 dragons and lightning strikes, plus another ~200k for donations and 3 starred their 34 and 36 (I was our 29) to net me 365/365/380. We'd all like to max out our loot on wars and I've done it before too, I'm past it. And Linak did get us 3 stars, so it wasnt a complete waste.
As someone above pointed out, I think it was the "I don't want to waste 10 dragons" comment on your target that was more the issue anyway. I went through 696k elixir on L3 dragons and lightning strikes, plus another ~200k for donations and 3 starred their 34 and 36 (I was our 29) to net me 365/365/380. We'd all like to max out our loot on wars and I've done it before too, I'm past it. And Linak did get us 3 stars, so it wasnt a complete waste.
GregR
Footballguy
Just realize that being a good Samaritan and taking down someone's TH to give them a shield doesn't mean they won't necessarily still revenge you later if your base is worth hitting. If you are sitting on a ton of resources, may not want to give someone a TH level above you (who can still get 90% of your loot) the chance to scout you and build specific to attack you.
Other than that, I sometimes will just give a shield to be a nice guy. And with what sartre said... yes, there are plenty of times I don't take down an exposed TH because I'm using everything I have to get the resources which is why I attacked in the first place.
GregR
Footballguy
I don't think we need to be overly draconian about the +5 or +10 strategy (see what I did there... draconian... dragon attacks? I got a million of 'em!!).
Having people work together to maximize our outcome is good. Swap bases if need be. If you think going after your normal assigned base is a total waste, maybe hold your attack back and see if someone else feels great about that base with their 2nd attack, and see if they can take it out and free you up to go higher.
But I think the overriding rule of thumb that should trump anything else is, everyone should aim to 3 star at least a single base. If you fail to do that with the first attack, make sure you do on your second attack. If you failed to do it on your first attack and you went off script, then make damn sure you do it on your second attack, even if that means attacking low.
And lowest level guys, don't worry, we don't expect you're going to be able to 3-star yet. If you can, great, but mainly just make sure you get at least a star so you get resources out of it. You'll have your turn to carry the load when you've built your base up down the road.
Having people work together to maximize our outcome is good. Swap bases if need be. If you think going after your normal assigned base is a total waste, maybe hold your attack back and see if someone else feels great about that base with their 2nd attack, and see if they can take it out and free you up to go higher.
But I think the overriding rule of thumb that should trump anything else is, everyone should aim to 3 star at least a single base. If you fail to do that with the first attack, make sure you do on your second attack. If you failed to do it on your first attack and you went off script, then make damn sure you do it on your second attack, even if that means attacking low.
And lowest level guys, don't worry, we don't expect you're going to be able to 3-star yet. If you can, great, but mainly just make sure you get at least a star so you get resources out of it. You'll have your turn to carry the load when you've built your base up down the road.
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bshell27
Footballguy
That's the problem with this game. Those who are below stay below. Bases build up, but so do the bases that are ahead. Unless you buy the $99 gem pack a few times, you're moving up, but not catching up.
culdeus
Footballguy
coyote5
Footballguy
I don't think that is completely true. The higher you go the more expensive, and the LONNNNNNNGER the upgrade times. So there is some ability to catch up.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
even if you are at the bottom you can still be effective in attacking their lowest level bases. granted there will be plenty of times their lowest base outranks you, but there are opportunities. having said that, I noticed that until I hit TH5 fully upgraded into TH6, there really isn't much I could have done to be too helpful in wars. i'm finally hitting my strides at TH7.
coyote5
Footballguy
Ideally (to the bolded). But if some of the top bases can't be 3 starred, then this is impossible.
VA703
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Cyclones
Footballguy
I've gone from the 40s into the 20s in FBGs and from the 30s to teens in FBG2. It all depends on how active you are. I started as TH8 and am still there, but I raid/upgrade very frequently. 6 weeks ago I didn't have dragons and now I have L3 dragons, so you can move up, but it definitely takes some commitment to adding resources through raiding.
culdeus
Footballguy
Cyclones
Footballguy
coyote5
Footballguy
Dickies
Footballguy
This is pretty much how I feel. I'm near the bottom, so I imagine the +5 or +10 strategy doesn't really apply too strictly for me, but I always aim my 1st attack at the highest ranked opponent I am confident I can 3-star, then I hold off on my 2nd attack to see what needs to be cleaned up. Linak had good intentions and I don't see the problem at all. We always seem to have people that don't attack in the war, and that's the bigger issue to me. Regardless, it's a game and we're here to have fun.
Pigskin Fanatic
Footballguy
Greg said in chat yesterday that another war will start immediately following this one in FBGS so yes.
igbomb
Footballguy
Maybe Greg can post the 'Rules of War':
1. For 1st attack, follow the plan unless:
- The plan doesn't give you a target (i.e. ranked below 40 on a +10 strategy. Attack anyone you think you have a shot at three-starring)
- You agree with someone else to swap
- You are dropping because you don't feel good about your guy
I think the 2nd attack rules are far less clear. In some cases it will be obvious that we can start the honeypot early. In others there may need to be some cleanup. I think the bottom guys should absolutely honeypot. But keep in mind what your cc can hold so you don't needlessly chase some top 10 guy.
But as a rule, the first rule should never be to climb the ladder unless you have an agreed swap. It might seem a waste of resources but people always seem to think they can go higher than they can.
1. For 1st attack, follow the plan unless:
- The plan doesn't give you a target (i.e. ranked below 40 on a +10 strategy. Attack anyone you think you have a shot at three-starring)
- You agree with someone else to swap
- You are dropping because you don't feel good about your guy
I think the 2nd attack rules are far less clear. In some cases it will be obvious that we can start the honeypot early. In others there may need to be some cleanup. I think the bottom guys should absolutely honeypot. But keep in mind what your cc can hold so you don't needlessly chase some top 10 guy.
But as a rule, the first rule should never be to climb the ladder unless you have an agreed swap. It might seem a waste of resources but people always seem to think they can go higher than they can.
igbomb
Footballguy
culdeus
Footballguy
If you 3 star anybody on 1st shot then I say all 2nd attacks are fair game until we finally lose, which I doubt ever happens btw. If someone takes your +10 on their second round then show up earlier next time.
But we are getting to the point where the fbg1 guys are all super active. So getting a swap early enough shouldn't be a problem.
igbomb
Footballguy
beer 30
Footballguy
That's a pretty sweet move in and of itself. I was getting that a lot for a while where my base would rolled but the ******* would leave my exposed th and cut the attack short just in time to not provide a shield. It's fairly easy to do sub200, with a (almost) fully developed th7 mantis base it's pretty solid to time it correctly and max resources being stolen.
Last war I was in I used 8 lvl2 dragons + whatever on a th6 to assure 3 stars because the outcome was still in doubt. Actually all of the top 3 did that because our lower tier crew absolutely blows when it comes to attacking. That was a costly war for me, went through over a 1m in elixir to net 360k I think.
coyote5
Footballguy
The bolded is where the differences of opinion have come in. Some of our below 40s have lvl 2 dragons where they can easily shoot 20-25 ranks above them in some wars. The teens and 20s are just an overlapping area of targets.
beer 30
Footballguy
There is only one rule in war:
To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of their women
igbomb
Footballguy
I think it's better than telling them not to bother. Ideally they would coordinate with the guy who they are grabbing a target from. I know a lot of our higher guys would gladly hand over their target if it gives them the opportunity to aim higher.
If someone in the low end WITHOUT A TARGET IN THE PLAN wants to chase my target, more power to them.
I was dreamin' when I wrote this. Forgive me if it goes astray.
My rule is to use my first attack on the highest base I think I can 3-star. This means my first attack has been anywhere between their #1 and their #13 (I'm usually in the 8-10 range). I do not wait for anyone else to attack their +5, +10, +whatever. I just go for the highest 3-star, and I usually get it.
What if I'm waiting on a guy that doesn't attack until late in the war - when I'm possibly busy? What if I'm waiting on a guy that ends up not even attacking at all? Both instances are less than appealing for me.
For my second attack, I'll do the same, but I'll wait at least a few hours before hitting again - maybe even several hours. I have zero interest in a honey pot. What I want, however, is to win the war. That happens by getting stars. When I'm ready to play, I (and the clan) deserve to give myself the best chance possible to get three stars. If that means my second attack is in the 20s - which has happened a couple of times, that's perfectly fine by me.
I have never given credence to a +X strategy because it takes away from the decision making process. We have a lot of great attackers in these two clans, and they generally know what kind of base they can level. Of course we all make mistakes, but that's going to happen. We've shown over the last couple of months that - as a group - we can smash our average counterpart. I see no reason to put on handcuffs.
And while this may put the late arrivals in a bind, I'm okay with that. There have been two wars where I didn't have enough time to plan an attack until late Friday. There wasn't much left to hit, but each time I was able to move a couple of 1-starred bases to three - I think they were in the teens. Sure, I missed out on stars, but that's fine. I knew what time the war started and just couldn't make it until near the end. That will happen again this week. Oh well.
The only people I feel for are the super low level guys. If in the first hour of the war, our 38-45 completely wipe out our opponent's 42-50 - because that's as high as they could 3-star, there's nothing left for our 46-50. There's absolutely nothing that can be done. Get there early or just try to win some loot. Of course, with the +X method, this issue exists as well. No idea of how to fix it beyond reserving the lowest bases for them, but that's not a viable option in my opinion.
As far as second attacks, I know I'm in the minority, but I would much prefer everyone to continue to try to 3-star as high as possible. And by the time most are using their second attack, this could mean moving 1- and 2-starred bases to three. The Quest for 150 seems so close and so sweet.
Anyway - short version:
1st attack strategy: Attack the highest base you are pretty sure you can 3-star whenever you have the time to attack
2nd attack strategy: Attack the highest base you are pretty sure you can 3-star whenever you have the time to attack
My rule is to use my first attack on the highest base I think I can 3-star. This means my first attack has been anywhere between their #1 and their #13 (I'm usually in the 8-10 range). I do not wait for anyone else to attack their +5, +10, +whatever. I just go for the highest 3-star, and I usually get it.
What if I'm waiting on a guy that doesn't attack until late in the war - when I'm possibly busy? What if I'm waiting on a guy that ends up not even attacking at all? Both instances are less than appealing for me.
For my second attack, I'll do the same, but I'll wait at least a few hours before hitting again - maybe even several hours. I have zero interest in a honey pot. What I want, however, is to win the war. That happens by getting stars. When I'm ready to play, I (and the clan) deserve to give myself the best chance possible to get three stars. If that means my second attack is in the 20s - which has happened a couple of times, that's perfectly fine by me.
I have never given credence to a +X strategy because it takes away from the decision making process. We have a lot of great attackers in these two clans, and they generally know what kind of base they can level. Of course we all make mistakes, but that's going to happen. We've shown over the last couple of months that - as a group - we can smash our average counterpart. I see no reason to put on handcuffs.
And while this may put the late arrivals in a bind, I'm okay with that. There have been two wars where I didn't have enough time to plan an attack until late Friday. There wasn't much left to hit, but each time I was able to move a couple of 1-starred bases to three - I think they were in the teens. Sure, I missed out on stars, but that's fine. I knew what time the war started and just couldn't make it until near the end. That will happen again this week. Oh well.
The only people I feel for are the super low level guys. If in the first hour of the war, our 38-45 completely wipe out our opponent's 42-50 - because that's as high as they could 3-star, there's nothing left for our 46-50. There's absolutely nothing that can be done. Get there early or just try to win some loot. Of course, with the +X method, this issue exists as well. No idea of how to fix it beyond reserving the lowest bases for them, but that's not a viable option in my opinion.
As far as second attacks, I know I'm in the minority, but I would much prefer everyone to continue to try to 3-star as high as possible. And by the time most are using their second attack, this could mean moving 1- and 2-starred bases to three. The Quest for 150 seems so close and so sweet.
Anyway - short version:
1st attack strategy: Attack the highest base you are pretty sure you can 3-star whenever you have the time to attack
2nd attack strategy: Attack the highest base you are pretty sure you can 3-star whenever you have the time to attack
Dickies
Footballguy
1st dragon barracks in the works. While not the most necessary upgrade for me, I have so many other upgrades that don't cost much besides time that I figure it's a good time to get barracks upgrades out of the way since I hate not having all barracks available while raiding.
