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[culdeus]

In Silver I I'm loot capped just sniping and hitting exposed collectors/DE drills. If I get rolled for max loot I can make it back in 15-20 minutes of raiding. Few spells (just lightning to hit buried DE drills) and cheap TH8 barch troops. They're giving it away -- averaging something like 10k DE per hour since the update.

Small-ball might not be for everyone. But if you stay under a shield until it expires and then raid for 30 minutes before taking another one you'll come out way ahead even without the early-TH9 grinding I've been doing for the last few weeks.

Silver 1 is absolutely the place to be. Hard to get a shield as a th10 which can make things hard but whatever. I've been too lazy to drop.

 

[sartre]

 

[Cliff Clavin]

In Silver I I'm loot capped just sniping and hitting exposed collectors/DE drills. If I get rolled for max loot I can make it back in 15-20 minutes of raiding. Few spells (just lightning to hit buried DE drills) and cheap TH8 barch troops. They're giving it away -- averaging something like 10k DE per hour since the update.

Small-ball might not be for everyone. But if you stay under a shield until it expires and then raid for 30 minutes before taking another one you'll come out way ahead even without the early-TH9 grinding I've been doing for the last few weeks.

Silver 1 is absolutely the place to be. Hard to get a shield as a th10 which can make things hard but whatever. I've been too lazy to drop.

Champs is absolutely the place to be.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

In Silver I I'm loot capped just sniping and hitting exposed collectors/DE drills. If I get rolled for max loot I can make it back in 15-20 minutes of raiding. Few spells (just lightning to hit buried DE drills) and cheap TH8 barch troops. They're giving it away -- averaging something like 10k DE per hour since the update.

Small-ball might not be for everyone. But if you stay under a shield until it expires and then raid for 30 minutes before taking another one you'll come out way ahead even without the early-TH9 grinding I've been doing for the last few weeks.

Silver 1 is absolutely the place to be. Hard to get a shield as a th10 which can make things hard but whatever. I've been too lazy to drop.

Here were my last three attacks, capping my DE. Better than normal (and more troops than normal), but that's 3 attacks in three minutes for 200k G+E and 1500+ DE with no need to stop and rebuild. Chaining TH and collector/drill snipes is really profitable right now.

 

[Lionsfan011]

I'm a TH10 sitting in gold 1/crystal 3. Loot has been miserable here. Is the better play to move up to high crystal or drop down to silver? I know wdcrob in the post above is killing it in silver but that's as a TH9 and not sure if I'd see the same targets as a TH10 in silver.

 

[culdeus]

Overlooked healer nerf, it's not that bad

1 - no change

2 - no change

3 - 90%

4 - 90%

5 - 70%

6 - 40%

7 - 10%

So a tiny war impact and nearly no farming impact to speak of. So basically 5 healers does the same as 4.5 did before and 6 does the same as 5 more or less. Never take more than 6 for any reason at least on one single target.

 

[brady666]

In Silver I I'm loot capped just sniping and hitting exposed collectors/DE drills. If I get rolled for max loot I can make it back in 15-20 minutes of raiding. Few spells (just lightning to hit buried DE drills) and cheap TH8 barch troops. They're giving it away -- averaging something like 10k DE per hour since the update.

Small-ball might not be for everyone. But if you stay under a shield until it expires and then raid for 30 minutes before taking another one you'll come out way ahead even without the early-TH9 grinding I've been doing for the last few weeks.

Silver 1 is absolutely the place to be. Hard to get a shield as a th10 which can make things hard but whatever. I've been too lazy to drop.

Here were my last three attacks, capping my DE. Better than normal (and more troops than normal), but that's 3 attacks in three minutes for 200k G+E and 1500+ DE with no need to stop and rebuild. Chaining TH and collector/drill snipes is really profitable right now.

LOL @ PU**YDESTROYER...great CoC name in those attack logs!

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I'm a TH10 sitting in gold 1/crystal 3. Loot has been miserable here. Is the better play to move up to high crystal or drop down to silver? I know wdcrob in the post above is killing it in silver but that's as a TH9 and not sure if I'd see the same targets as a TH10 in silver.

Yeah... no idea how it would look for a TH10. Or even a max TH9 I guess. But I was farming in this league before the update hit, and it's been consistently better for me post-update. I keep track of how I'm doing and it went from ~7k DE an hour to something more like 10-11k.

 

[culdeus]

I'm a TH10 sitting in gold 1/crystal 3. Loot has been miserable here. Is the better play to move up to high crystal or drop down to silver? I know wdcrob in the post above is killing it in silver but that's as a TH9 and not sure if I'd see the same targets as a TH10 in silver.

Yeah... no idea how it would look for a TH10. Or even a max TH9 I guess. But I was farming in this league before the update hit, and it's been consistently better for me post-update. I keep track of how I'm doing and it went from ~7k DE an hour to something more like 10-11k.

This is in line with most of the reports I've seen. The most important thing is you can earn that with a very lightweight army. I'll have a lot of new 2nd hand info to share after this weekend. Doing an 11 clan mashup starting Friday so will get some exposure to some new people. For TH9 it's important to stay low enough below where TH10 get dropped on that much is clear. Also you will be very well positioned if they do the holiday 1 gem boost.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

I'm a TH10 sitting in gold 1/crystal 3. Loot has been miserable here. Is the better play to move up to high crystal or drop down to silver? I know wdcrob in the post above is killing it in silver but that's as a TH9 and not sure if I'd see the same targets as a TH10 in silver.

Yeah... no idea how it would look for a TH10. Or even a max TH9 I guess. But I was farming in this league before the update hit, and it's been consistently better for me post-update. I keep track of how I'm doing and it went from ~7k DE an hour to something more like 10-11k.

This is in line with most of the reports I've seen. The most important thing is you can earn that with a very lightweight army. I'll have a lot of new 2nd hand info to share after this weekend. Doing an 11 clan mashup starting Friday so will get some exposure to some new people. For TH9 it's important to stay low enough below where TH10 get dropped on that much is clear. Also you will be very well positioned if they do the holiday 1 gem boost.

That is just wrong. I'm absolutely crushing it in champs. Loaded TH9s everywhere. There is no reason for TH9s with big heroes not to push. Even with losing 5K DE a day, I've never had an easier time getting loot.

 

[AcerFC]

I added up all my losses since the upgrade

2,886,750 gold

2,392,434 elix

8,401 DE

 

[AcerFC]

Ill agree with Cliff. There is no real shortage of bases in champs that have tons of resources. The biggest issue staying there is that you lose it all as well

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Ill agree with Cliff. There is no real shortage of bases in champs that have tons of resources. The biggest issue staying there is that you lose it all as well

Yeah, not many crappy attacks against which sucks. But even if you can only go 1:1, you'll still be ahead because of the bonus.

 

[AcerFC]

I added up all my losses since the upgrade

2,886,750 gold

2,392,434 elix

8,401 DE

Then I added up my attacks which I only have 10 of right now since some have dropped off. I also dont know what the real bonus was so I just added 150,000 as a bonus to make it easy since 10 attacks = 1.5. I actually earned a little more as a few were above the 70% threshold

3,491,768 Gold

Net Profit of 605,018 Gold

3,507,399

Net Profit of 1,114,967 Elix

30,811 DE

Net Profit of 22,410

It does not seem like I will be able to upgrade much of anything with profits like that. Another

 

[AcerFC]

I didnt account for collectors in the above totals

 

[Sputnikv8]

My biggest gripe regarding this update is the PBT system and it's unpredictability with no visible clock. This post explains it in a flow chart. A phone game shouldn't have a PBT that is this complicated.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthread.php/945227-Understanding-PBT-in-one-simple-flowchart

I found the "grab a beer" terminal, pretty good. And the "really???" decision funny.

 

[Worm]

I'm a mid TH9 in Masters 2 with low walls getting wiped to 70+% within 30 seconds of no shield/vg.

Def not the place to be. Need to drop down to crystal probably.

 

[beer 30]

In Silver I I'm loot capped just sniping and hitting exposed collectors/DE drills. If I get rolled for max loot I can make it back in 15-20 minutes of raiding. Few spells (just lightning to hit buried DE drills) and cheap TH8 barch troops. They're giving it away -- averaging something like 10k DE per hour since the update.

Small-ball might not be for everyone. But if you stay under a shield until it expires and then raid for 30 minutes before taking another one you'll come out way ahead even without the early-TH9 grinding I've been doing for the last few weeks.

Silver 1 is absolutely the place to be. Hard to get a shield as a th10 which can make things hard but whatever. I've been too lazy to drop.

Champs is absolutely the place to be.

Gold III is absolutely the place to be

 

[culdeus]

My biggest gripe regarding this update is the PBT system and it's unpredictability with no visible clock. This post explains it in a flow chart. A phone game shouldn't have a PBT that is this complicated.

http://forum.supercell.net/showthread.php/945227-Understanding-PBT-in-one-simple-flowchart

I found the "grab a beer" terminal, pretty good. And the "really???" decision funny.

explain this to a kid

 

[=Smackdown=]

For my 1st attack in today's war I'll be doing a Lv3 Mass Witch attack on a TH11.

Chief Pat made it look so easy - what could possibly go wrong?

Saw first one of these. Horribly executed L3 mass witch with L1 warden, cake walk 3 star raid.

Horribly executed attack? Right up my alley !

Will report back with results.

Was so excited to attack with a Walking Dead again I completely forgot to gem the finish of my Lv3 Witches.

Used 10 LV2 Witches, 4 Healers for AQ, 10 WB and 11 Wizards.

Base was a mess - exposed Eagle, both Inferno on single, etc.

Managed to 2 star it - TH11 with max hero's - not sure how much of a difference Lv3 Witches would have done?

Going to attack their #1 TH11 next time - this time I hope to have Lv3 Witches.

 

[EYLive]

This is dumb.

I request CC troops, and log off while my army builds.

I log back on later and I see that I got attacked and my cc troops died defending my base.

I request more CC troops, and log off.

I log back on later and I see that I got attacked and my cc troops died defending my base.

...

What a retaardid ### game.

 

[freeannyong]

This is dumb.

I request CC troops, and log off while my army builds.

I log back on later and I see that I got attacked and my cc troops died defending my base.

I request more CC troops, and log off.

I log back on later and I see that I got attacked and my cc troops died defending my base.

...

What a retaardid ### game.

Uninstall

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Same story for me.

Also,can I get a ruling... Furs = defense or nah?

 

[freeannyong]

Same story for me.

Also,can I get a ruling... Furs = defense or nah?

With poison any high hp troop is reasonable defense

 

[EYLive]

This is dumb.

I request CC troops, and log off while my army builds.

I log back on later and I see that I got attacked and my cc troops died defending my base.

I request more CC troops, and log off.

I log back on later and I see that I got attacked and my cc troops died defending my base.

...

What a retaardid ### game.

Uninstall

I will.On the bright side I've never experienced this pbt thing that everyone seems to hate.

 

[freeannyong]

SC says they have maintainace planned to address the PBT issues. No idea when it will drop though

 

[culdeus]

Second day in a row hit the timer 30 minutes after waking up. There may be something funny about having it on WiFi. I supress notifications while on data.

 

[VA703]

might have to wakeup buttworms and surf sub200. will report back

 

[Sputnikv8]

SC says they have maintainace planned to address the PBT issues. No idea when it will drop though

"Anouska" from SC finally broke silence in the forums about this, but, doesn't sound like they intend to remove it. Maybe a visible timer? Not sure, heres the quote.

"...There will be a maintenance in the coming days to fix some bugs and hopefully implement some tweaks to the information available in-game in regards to the PBT, I'll confirm these as soon as possible..."

http://forum.supercell.net/showthread.php/946071-Anoushka-Comments-on-Update

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Last night was offering 39,967 gold, 7,192 elixir and 692 DE. Got hit with a max TH9 GoWiPe with all spells used.

This morning was offering 81,528 gold, 59,145 elixir and 874 DE. Got hit with an AQ walk, 16 furs, 12 wiz+ and all spells used.

Unreal.

 

[freeannyong]

Last night was offering 39,967 gold, 7,192 elixir and 692 DE. Got hit with a max TH9 GoWiPe with all spells used.

This morning was offering 81,528 gold, 59,145 elixir and 874 DE. Got hit with an AQ walk, 16 furs, 12 wiz+ and all spells used.

Unreal.

That's what you get for being in champs

 

[sartre]

Last night was offering 39,967 gold, 7,192 elixir and 692 DE. Got hit with a max TH9 GoWiPe with all spells used.

This morning was offering 81,528 gold, 59,145 elixir and 874 DE. Got hit with an AQ walk, 16 furs, 12 wiz+ and all spells used.

Unreal.

Perhaps they wanted your cups? To trophy pushers, available loot is often completely ignored; it's entirely about that number on line 4.

 

[JNox3]

Last night was offering 39,967 gold, 7,192 elixir and 692 DE. Got hit with a max TH9 GoWiPe with all spells used.

This morning was offering 81,528 gold, 59,145 elixir and 874 DE. Got hit with an AQ walk, 16 furs, 12 wiz+ and all spells used.

Unreal.

That's what you get for being in champs

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Last night was offering 39,967 gold, 7,192 elixir and 692 DE. Got hit with a max TH9 GoWiPe with all spells used.

This morning was offering 81,528 gold, 59,145 elixir and 874 DE. Got hit with an AQ walk, 16 furs, 12 wiz+ and all spells used.

Unreal.

That's what you get for being in champs

For sure. I also get 200k/200k/1200 for being in champs. I'm just shocked that I'm getting hit when there are so many other loaded bases out there. I won't attack one that has less than 2500DE and that only takes about 10 'nexts' to find. I routinely pass over stuff 250k/250k/1500.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Last night was offering 39,967 gold, 7,192 elixir and 692 DE. Got hit with a max TH9 GoWiPe with all spells used.

This morning was offering 81,528 gold, 59,145 elixir and 874 DE. Got hit with an AQ walk, 16 furs, 12 wiz+ and all spells used.

Unreal.

Perhaps they wanted your cups? To trophy pushers, available loot is often completely ignored; it's entirely about that number on line 4.

First was a 2* for 12 cups. 2nd was a 1* for 5 cups.

 

[Statcruncher]

This is dumb.

I request CC troops, and log off while my army builds.

I log back on later and I see that I got attacked and my cc troops died defending my base.

I request more CC troops, and log off.

I log back on later and I see that I got attacked and my cc troops died defending my base.

...

What a retaardid ### game.

I agree on this point. It seems like you should be able put CC troops in sleep or guard mode like the heroes.

 

[sartre]

SC says they have maintainace planned to address the PBT issues. No idea when it will drop though

"Anouska" from SC finally broke silence in the forums about this, but, doesn't sound like they intend to remove it. Maybe a visible timer? Not sure, heres the quote.

"...There will be a maintenance in the coming days to fix some bugs and hopefully implement some tweaks to the information available in-game in regards to the PBT, I'll confirm these as soon as possible..."

http://forum.supercell.net/showthread.php/946071-Anoushka-Comments-on-Update

A counter for PBT would resolve all of the complaints, would it not?

(I haven't yet encountered PBT but my understanding is that it's the uncertainty of it that is causing frustration)

 

[sartre]

Last night was offering 39,967 gold, 7,192 elixir and 692 DE. Got hit with a max TH9 GoWiPe with all spells used.

This morning was offering 81,528 gold, 59,145 elixir and 874 DE. Got hit with an AQ walk, 16 furs, 12 wiz+ and all spells used.

Unreal.

Perhaps they wanted your cups? To trophy pushers, available loot is often completely ignored; it's entirely about that number on line 4.

First was a 2* for 12 cups. 2nd was a 1* for 5 cups.

People get funny about revenging. Was either a revenge? If not, then yeah that is really odd to get attacked twice like that.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Last night was offering 39,967 gold, 7,192 elixir and 692 DE. Got hit with a max TH9 GoWiPe with all spells used.

This morning was offering 81,528 gold, 59,145 elixir and 874 DE. Got hit with an AQ walk, 16 furs, 12 wiz+ and all spells used.

Unreal.

Perhaps they wanted your cups? To trophy pushers, available loot is often completely ignored; it's entirely about that number on line 4.

First was a 2* for 12 cups. 2nd was a 1* for 5 cups.

People get funny about revenging. Was either a revenge? If not, then yeah that is really odd to get attacked twice like that.

Nope. And both were within 10 minutes of logging off.

 

[Statcruncher]

So what's the best TH8 base layout post update?

 

[culdeus]

A "farming base" is developing. People are setting their storage under full protection, but to the far other side of the base putting 30% of their base collector buildings and a few teslas. This accomplishes a few things, first some idiots will just drop a bunch of troops and give you a free shield. Second, even if they only drop a few goblins after three attacks of any time this resets your personal timer with or without a shield, thus avoiding falling into the PBT trap which is extremely important for the beginning and ends of wars.

I'm going to try this with my former max protect DE base and just pick iit up and shift it over.

 

[beer 30]

So what's the best TH8 base layout post update?

My suggestion for TH9 on down. Obviously need to tweak for different TH's, good luck

 

[VA703]

A "farming base" is developing. People are setting their storage under full protection, but to the far other side of the base putting 30% of their base collector buildings and a few teslas. This accomplishes a few things, first some idiots will just drop a bunch of troops and give you a free shield. Second, even if they only drop a few goblins after three attacks of any time this resets your personal timer with or without a shield, thus avoiding falling into the PBT trap which is extremely important for the beginning and ends of wars.

I'm going to try this with my former max protect DE base and just pick iit up and shift it over.

hmmm pretty sure this was my idea 3 pages ago

 

[culdeus]

A "farming base" is developing. People are setting their storage under full protection, but to the far other side of the base putting 30% of their base collector buildings and a few teslas. This accomplishes a few things, first some idiots will just drop a bunch of troops and give you a free shield. Second, even if they only drop a few goblins after three attacks of any time this resets your personal timer with or without a shield, thus avoiding falling into the PBT trap which is extremely important for the beginning and ends of wars.

I'm going to try this with my former max protect DE base and just pick iit up and shift it over.

hmmm pretty sure this was my idea 3 pages ago

Well it's a great idea if you don't care about gaining trophies. It's a little bit of a beating to try to keep cups low with this approach and it would likely not work in higher leagues whatsoever. And again, the primary benefit of this is that you can reset your PBT more quickly, it's not a free shield or anything unless the attacker is a moron.

 

[freeannyong]

A "farming base" is developing. People are setting their storage under full protection, but to the far other side of the base putting 30% of their base collector buildings and a few teslas. This accomplishes a few things, first some idiots will just drop a bunch of troops and give you a free shield. Second, even if they only drop a few goblins after three attacks of any time this resets your personal timer with or without a shield, thus avoiding falling into the PBT trap which is extremely important for the beginning and ends of wars.

I'm going to try this with my former max protect DE base and just pick iit up and shift it over.

hmmm pretty sure this was my idea 3 pages ago

The problem is the smart people will have a lot less to deal with to wreck you for 100%

 

[culdeus]

A "farming base" is developing. People are setting their storage under full protection, but to the far other side of the base putting 30% of their base collector buildings and a few teslas. This accomplishes a few things, first some idiots will just drop a bunch of troops and give you a free shield. Second, even if they only drop a few goblins after three attacks of any time this resets your personal timer with or without a shield, thus avoiding falling into the PBT trap which is extremely important for the beginning and ends of wars.

I'm going to try this with my former max protect DE base and just pick iit up and shift it over.

hmmm pretty sure this was my idea 3 pages ago

The problem is the smart people will have a lot less to deal with to wreck you for 100%

Well then you at least have a shield.

 

[AcerFC]

Im now very close to maxing gold and elix and still almost 8 days left until TH11.

How much is the eagle artillery thing.

 

[culdeus]

I think you will end up needing up to 3 bases

-A PBT reset base when actively in a war situation to ensure you do not get kicked, or if you see yourself getting kicked you can shift to quickly and try to get back online.

-A max protect DE base when holding DE and nothing else which provides lower protection for the other resources

-A southern teaser/troll type base when holding lots of more than two types of loot. Will need to bait the teaser with a few gold storages to drive people into the trap.

 

[jomar]

I think I'm done with the game until (and if) they return it to something similar to what it was.

I just upgraded to TH10 a week before the update. My issues now are that if I want to gain resources, I have to train a war army which costs at least 180k elixir. each attack will cost my another 100k elixir in spells so I'm spending 280k elixir. I can find bases with 450k/450k/2500 pretty easily but I can only get about half of that loot. so I'm gaining 225k/225k/1250 lets say. With win bonus I can get to break even or just above my 280k elixir depending on how well my attack went. I'm usually getting matched up with more developed TH10's so sometimes I don't even get half of the loot. anyway, I can't make any ground on elixir without expending massive amounts of time building it little by little. as I build my resources I'm also getting attacked and losing anywhere from 100k/100k/1000de to 250k/250k/2500de. so anything I'm making up on the attack side, I'm losing on the other side.

I have army camps to upgrade and a lot of research to do, which all costs massive amounts of elixir. It'll take me at least a month or two of hard work to gain (and keep) 7.5M elixir for a wiz upgrade. I don't have the time, nor is it any fun, to do that. last thing I want is a game that's not fun and that's what CoC has become.

in the forums I keep seeing people talking about all of the loot but any time I see a screenshot, they are gaining very little elixir and usually that's with max troops at TH10, which I don't have. So I think I'm kinda stuck and simply don't want to put in the massive amount of work it will take to keep progressing. of course I could buy a bunch of gems and do it that way but I'm not giving these people a dime of my money at this point.

anybody have any ideas to get me unstuck, I'd love the hear them. I don't see a way through other than to play this game for hours and hours trying to gain more than I lose. no thanks...

 

[Patrick the Pirate]

I think I'm done with the game until (and if) they return it to something similar to what it was.

I just upgraded to TH10 a week before the update. My issues now are that if I want to gain resources, I have to train a war army which costs at least 180k elixir. each attack will cost my another 100k elixir in spells so I'm spending 280k elixir. I can find bases with 450k/450k/2500 pretty easily but I can only get about half of that loot. so I'm gaining 225k/225k/1250 lets say. With win bonus I can get to break even or just above my 280k elixir depending on how well my attack went. I'm usually getting matched up with more developed TH10's so sometimes I don't even get half of the loot. anyway, I can't make any ground on elixir without expending massive amounts of time building it little by little. as I build my resources I'm also getting attacked and losing anywhere from 100k/100k/1000de to 250k/250k/2500de. so anything I'm making up on the attack side, I'm losing on the other side.

I have army camps to upgrade and a lot of research to do, which all costs massive amounts of elixir. It'll take me at least a month or two of hard work to gain (and keep) 7.5M elixir for a wiz upgrade. I don't have the time, nor is it any fun, to do that. last thing I want is a game that's not fun and that's what CoC has become.

in the forums I keep seeing people talking about all of the loot but any time I see a screenshot, they are gaining very little elixir and usually that's with max troops at TH10, which I don't have. So I think I'm kinda stuck and simply don't want to put in the massive amount of work it will take to keep progressing. of course I could buy a bunch of gems and do it that way but I'm not giving these people a dime of my money at this point.

anybody have any ideas to get me unstuck, I'd love the hear them. I don't see a way through other than to play this game for hours and hours trying to gain more than I lose. no thanks...

I would try this:

Drop cups like crazy. I was down below 600 at one point. It's pretty quick and easy to do. Drop a royal hit surrender, over and over again.

Get below 1000 cups. Attack and if its not worth your army, drop a royal and surrender until you find the one you want. Usually find one within 10-15 attempts.

Once you log off you are going to gain about 400 cups in a matter of minutes until someone hits you. Others are dumping cups too.

If you don't have resources, no one is going to hit you and you will even off around 1200.

You can save a certain resource but you just cant have all 3 or you're going to get steamrolled. So to save pink, spend all your gold on walls and use hogs or witches or golems in your army. If you are offering under 50K of gold and under 1K of black juice, doubt anyone is going to steamroll you even if you have 400k purple juice.