CLE: Lewis and Harrison owners (1 Viewer)

[chris1969]

Roger Brown of The News Herald is reporting that Brown's Insiders state Harrison will see a lot of playing time in Chud's new offense. My guess would be that if this were true, it would be in a Kevin Faulk type role.

Take it for what it's worth. Roger Brown is definitely not one of my favorite sources for Browns info, but even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.

 

[zed2283]

I drafted Harrison last year and he hardly saw any significant time, even when guys were injured. Why would this year be any different?

 

[chris1969]

I drafted Harrison last year and he hardly saw any significant time, even when guys were injured. Why would this year be any different?

The previous OC didn't like Harrison because his pass blocking skills are pretty horrible. They have a new OC with a new system, my guess is they'll put him in situations where he doesn't have to pass block.

 

[Restricted]

Believe it when I see it. I'm sure that Harrison's gonna go off this preseason again and make it way difficult to cut him when I have to make a roster decision...

 

[Football Jones]

I believe UDFA Jerome Jackson (Michigan) will make the team (probably taking Jason Wright's spot). I've always liked Jackson despite his sparse PT. Interesting sleeper, IMO.

 

[CA_7]

Found the actually story and I interpret it a little differently: "Browns insiders insist that second-year running back Jerome Harrison will be a major surprise in training camp - and will earn more playing time this fall than you think."

http://www.news-herald.com/site/news.cfm?n...21848&rfi=6

Definitely sounds like insiders think he is having a great off-season but no one is giving the snaps just yet...

 

[mlball77]

Interesting stuff here. Thanks for the head up, Chris1969.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

I drafted Harrison last year and he hardly saw any significant time, even when guys were injured. Why would this year be any different?

Joe Thomas/Eric Stienbach.Since the Browns have a legit blind side protector and the makings of a solid left-side to their O-Line the blitz pickup and pass protection of the Browns RBs won't be the primary prerequisite before they can get on the field. Also Jerome has put on weight and reportedly is up at 212lbs which would make him more solid with more potential to pick up the blitz. Their was no way that Harrison was going to see the field last year since he was a rookie and didn't know his blitz pickups and then when they used him they avoided putting him in situations where he was reposnsible for helping Schaffer seal the edge rush lane or to chip his DE AND pick up a blitz. Joe Thomas is going to give all of the Browns RBs more freedom/flexibility to become receivers in the passing game but Jamal Lewis has never been much of a receiver out of the backfield so I think Harrison DEFINITELY is whom Chud is trying to get more involved on passing downs and potentially to change things up.

Also if the rumors of 'The Ghost's' newly gained bulk are true he could contend for more carries but look for him to be used more in a Reggie Bush receiver/misdirection type of role.

Last year Mo tried to use FBs more in the offense, probably because he was a FB as a player and felt he could make the FB the key to his offense. But he was a new OC and trying to put his stamp on the offense and make a name for himself. This year the new OC, Chudzinski, is out to make a name for himself. In taking stock of the weapons he has at his disposal, Jerome Harrions looks like Chud's best chane to get big plays from the RB position. I think Chud is going to try and put Jerome in situations where Harrison stands a good chance to make some big plays ALA Reggie Bush. Now if that plan works remains to be seen. Last year Mo Carthon's FB centered offense failed miserably so I wouldn't count any chickens but going back to the original premise I believe Joe Thomas/Eric Steinbach are the key.

A legit blind side protector and a dominant side to the offensive line is the main thing that has changed from last year to this year. The left side of the Brown's offensive line is going to open up/free the offense in general and I think that is the main thing which has changed to make Jerome 'The Ghost' Harrison a contender for more PT this year.

But is just my humble opinion.

 

[chris1969]

I drafted Harrison last year and he hardly saw any significant time, even when guys were injured. Why would this year be any different?

Joe Thomas/Eric Stienbach.Since the Browns have a legit blind side protector and the makings of a solid left-side to their O-Line the blitz pickup and pass protection of the Browns RBs won't be the primary prerequisite before they can get on the field. Also Jerome has put on weight and reportedly is up at 212lbs which would make him more solid with more potential to pick up the blitz. Their was no way that Harrison was going to see the field last year since he was a rookie and didn't know his blitz pickups and then when they used him they avoided putting him in situations where he was reposnsible for helping Schaffer seal the edge rush lane or to chip his DE AND pick up a blitz. Joe Thomas is going to give all of the Browns RBs more freedom/flexibility to become receivers in the passing game but Jamal Lewis has never been much of a receiver out of the backfield so I think Harrison DEFINITELY is whom Chud is trying to get more involved on passing downs and potentially to change things up.

Also if the rumors of 'The Ghost's' newly gained bulk are true he could contend for more carries but look for him to be used more in a Reggie Bush receiver/misdirection type of role.

Last year Mo tried to use FBs more in the offense, probably because he was a FB as a player and felt he could make the FB the key to his offense. But he was a new OC and trying to put his stamp on the offense and make a name for himself. This year the new OC, Chudzinski, is out to make a name for himself. In taking stock of the weapons he has at his disposal, Jerome Harrions looks like Chud's best chane to get big plays from the RB position. I think Chud is going to try and put Jerome in situations where Harrison stands a good chance to make some big plays ALA Reggie Bush. Now if that plan works remains to be seen. Last year Mo Carthon's FB centered offense failed miserably so I wouldn't count any chickens but going back to the original premise I believe Joe Thomas/Eric Steinbach are the key.

A legit blind side protector and a dominant side to the offensive line is the main thing that has changed from last year to this year. The left side of the Brown's offensive line is going to open up/free the offense in general and I think that is the main thing which has changed to make Jerome 'The Ghost' Harrison a contender for more PT this year.

But is just my humble opinion.

That sounds like a credible assessment to me. We haven't had a player with a role like that since Eric Metcalf.

 

[Fallerjw]

I drafted Harrison last year and he hardly saw any significant time, even when guys were injured. Why would this year be any different?

Joe Thomas/Eric Stienbach.Since the Browns have a legit blind side protector and the makings of a solid left-side to their O-Line the blitz pickup and pass protection of the Browns RBs won't be the primary prerequisite before they can get on the field. Also Jerome has put on weight and reportedly is up at 212lbs which would make him more solid with more potential to pick up the blitz. Their was no way that Harrison was going to see the field last year since he was a rookie and didn't know his blitz pickups and then when they used him they avoided putting him in situations where he was reposnsible for helping Schaffer seal the edge rush lane or to chip his DE AND pick up a blitz. Joe Thomas is going to give all of the Browns RBs more freedom/flexibility to become receivers in the passing game but Jamal Lewis has never been much of a receiver out of the backfield so I think Harrison DEFINITELY is whom Chud is trying to get more involved on passing downs and potentially to change things up.

Also if the rumors of 'The Ghost's' newly gained bulk are true he could contend for more carries but look for him to be used more in a Reggie Bush receiver/misdirection type of role.

Last year Mo tried to use FBs more in the offense, probably because he was a FB as a player and felt he could make the FB the key to his offense. But he was a new OC and trying to put his stamp on the offense and make a name for himself. This year the new OC, Chudzinski, is out to make a name for himself. In taking stock of the weapons he has at his disposal, Jerome Harrions looks like Chud's best chane to get big plays from the RB position. I think Chud is going to try and put Jerome in situations where Harrison stands a good chance to make some big plays ALA Reggie Bush. Now if that plan works remains to be seen. Last year Mo Carthon's FB centered offense failed miserably so I wouldn't count any chickens but going back to the original premise I believe Joe Thomas/Eric Steinbach are the key.

A legit blind side protector and a dominant side to the offensive line is the main thing that has changed from last year to this year. The left side of the Brown's offensive line is going to open up/free the offense in general and I think that is the main thing which has changed to make Jerome 'The Ghost' Harrison a contender for more PT this year.

But is just my humble opinion.

That sounds like a credible assessment to me. We haven't had a player with a role like that since Eric Metcalf.

Metcalf worked out pretty well until Bill B came in and tried to run him up the middle.

 

[Chop_Block]

One thing that occurs to me is -- the Browns are certainly happy enough with the current RB roster that they didn't take Peterson when they could (or you could argue SHOULD) have, used the second pick for Quinn and traded their first pick away for next year.

It's not anything i can back up with proof, but seems to me that not drafting a RB with their first couple of picks PLUS dropping their first pick to someone else when it's likely to be a great spot for a Top Rb next year says they have confidence in SOMEONE there. Lewis is good for maybe a year, possibly 2.... but they'll need someone long term.

I like Harrison - could he be it?

 

[Fallerjw]

One thing that occurs to me is -- the Browns are certainly happy enough with the current RB roster that they didn't take Peterson when they could (or you could argue SHOULD) have, used the second pick for Quinn and traded their first pick away for next year.

It's not anything i can back up with proof, but seems to me that not drafting a RB with their first couple of picks PLUS dropping their first pick to someone else when it's likely to be a great spot for a Top Rb next year says they have confidence in SOMEONE there. Lewis is good for maybe a year, possibly 2.... but they'll need someone long term.

I like Harrison - could he be it?

It's tough to tell, but picking up Thomas and Steinbach had to help. I know this is "old", but he did perform well in college and in the combine.

senior season

308 carries

1900 yards

6.2 ypc

16 TD

Jerome Harrison had the best BJ of 10-4, and he was tied for 3rd place with his 20 yard split time of 2.63 seconds, only behind Joseph Addai (2.53) and Wendell Mathis (2.62). However agility is where he really shined with the best 20 yard shuttle run of 4.07 and the very best 3-cone drill time of 6.77. He also ran a 4.47 - 40 and completed 19 reps on bench.

College performance and a good combine don't always lead to a good NFL career, but it seems like he should at least get an opportunity.

 

[Bracie Smathers]

One thing that occurs to me is -- the Browns are certainly happy enough with the current RB roster that they didn't take Peterson when they could (or you could argue SHOULD) have, used the second pick for Quinn and traded their first pick away for next year.It's not anything i can back up with proof, but seems to me that not drafting a RB with their first couple of picks PLUS dropping their first pick to someone else when it's likely to be a great spot for a Top Rb next year says they have confidence in SOMEONE there. Lewis is good for maybe a year, possibly 2.... but they'll need someone long term.I like Harrison - could he be it?

If you look around the league at the 'stud' RBs, none of their teams have had much success with post season wins. LaDalian Thomlinson has never won a post season game in six full NFL seasons and only has made the post season twice when his teams coincedentally had Pro Bowl QBs at the helm. If the Browns would have taken AP they would have had to do so with their first pick, #3, which would have prevented them from taking Joe Thomas. AP behind Cleveland's offensive line without JT would have been a poor fit. Steinbach would more than likely have had to move to OLT and that would have created a cascading effect along the line. Also the QB position truly HAD to be addressed. I would have to refer you to other posts on that subject covered in detail.I wouldn't completely rule out Jamal Lewis either. He ran for 4.4 yards per carry behind Ogden in Baltimore (edit: Jam ran for 4.4 behind Baltimore's left side of their offensive line where Ogden was but less than 4 YPC everywhere else) but you are right, Savage signed him to a one-year contract so their is NO CAP HIT at the RB position for next year which brings up two exciting possible RB free agents for discusssion. Michael 'The Burner' Turner and Larry Johnson who has not signed an extension to his contract and has made neagtive comments about the Kansas City area. LJ may also not be pleased with the state of the KC team, more precisely his offensive line. Now in Cleveland, with Stienbach and Joe Thomas, the Browns offensive line would be a calling card for any free agent RB who hits the market. As a matter of fact Phil Savage seemed to leak to Jamal that he was going to address the offensive line before Jam signed with the team. The AFCN is a very tough division with killer defenses in Pittsburgh and Baltimore to square off against but I would imagine Lewis can't wait to play Baltimore and test out his new offensive line. He has always had great success against Cincinnatti as well as the Browns so he could end up suprising many who have already written him off. Per Jerome Harrison, one other aspect to last year. Charlie Frye went down with an injury and the Browns had no one behind Derek Anderson so it was crucial that DA be protected and Harrison was a rookie just learning blitz pickups and he was also undersized last year and just not someone that the team was willing to risk having in to protect the QB down the stretch. Harrison was listed inactive for four games last year, three of them after Frye went down with injury. He's bulked up and should know his blitz pickups coming in this year. I'm sure Chud wants to utilize him in the passing attack. We'll just have to wait and see what/if anything he brings to the table but he should get a legitimate shot this year.

 

[DoubleG]

One thing that occurs to me is -- the Browns are certainly happy enough with the current RB roster that they didn't take Peterson when they could (or you could argue SHOULD) have, used the second pick for Quinn and traded their first pick away for next year.

It's not anything i can back up with proof, but seems to me that not drafting a RB with their first couple of picks PLUS dropping their first pick to someone else when it's likely to be a great spot for a Top Rb next year says they have confidence in SOMEONE there. Lewis is good for maybe a year, possibly 2.... but they'll need someone long term.

I like Harrison - could he be it?

It's tough to tell, but picking up Thomas and Steinbach had to help. I know this is "old", but he did perform well in college and in the combine.

senior season

308 carries

1900 yards

6.2 ypc

16 TD

Jerome Harrison had the best BJ of 10-4, and he was tied for 3rd place with his 20 yard split time of 2.63 seconds, only behind Joseph Addai (2.53) and Wendell Mathis (2.62). However agility is where he really shined with the best 20 yard shuttle run of 4.07 and the very best 3-cone drill time of 6.77. He also ran a 4.47 - 40 and completed 19 reps on bench.

 

[Fallerjw]

One thing that occurs to me is -- the Browns are certainly happy enough with the current RB roster that they didn't take Peterson when they could (or you could argue SHOULD) have, used the second pick for Quinn and traded their first pick away for next year.

It's not anything i can back up with proof, but seems to me that not drafting a RB with their first couple of picks PLUS dropping their first pick to someone else when it's likely to be a great spot for a Top Rb next year says they have confidence in SOMEONE there. Lewis is good for maybe a year, possibly 2.... but they'll need someone long term.

I like Harrison - could he be it?

It's tough to tell, but picking up Thomas and Steinbach had to help. I know this is "old", but he did perform well in college and in the combine.

senior season

308 carries

1900 yards

6.2 ypc

16 TD

Jerome Harrison had the best BJ of 10-4, and he was tied for 3rd place with his 20 yard split time of 2.63 seconds, only behind Joseph Addai (2.53) and Wendell Mathis (2.62). However agility is where he really shined with the best 20 yard shuttle run of 4.07 and the very best 3-cone drill time of 6.77. He also ran a 4.47 - 40 and completed 19 reps on bench.

think combine.........broad jump

 

[chris1969]

What was the name of the girl that gave the BJ while he was broad jumping?

 

[Bri]

I drafted Harrison last year and he hardly saw any significant time, even when guys were injured. Why would this year be any different?

The previous OC didn't like Harrison because his pass blocking skills are pretty horrible. They have a new OC with a new system, my guess is they'll put him in situations where he doesn't have to pass block.

you can't be a 3rd down back and not be a good pass blocker, it just doesn't work

 

[chris1969]

I drafted Harrison last year and he hardly saw any significant time, even when guys were injured. Why would this year be any different?

The previous OC didn't like Harrison because his pass blocking skills are pretty horrible. They have a new OC with a new system, my guess is they'll put him in situations where he doesn't have to pass block.

you can't be a 3rd down back and not be a good pass blocker, it just doesn't work

Have you watched Bush's pass blocking skills?

 

[Bri]

I drafted Harrison last year and he hardly saw any significant time, even when guys were injured. Why would this year be any different?

The previous OC didn't like Harrison because his pass blocking skills are pretty horrible. They have a new OC with a new system, my guess is they'll put him in situations where he doesn't have to pass block.

you can't be a 3rd down back and not be a good pass blocker, it just doesn't work

Have you watched Bush's pass blocking skills?

Bush/=Harrison nor would I call Bush a prototypical 3rd down back.Originally you have Harrison as a Kevin Faulk type. Kevin Faulk is/was a very good blocking back and as a result Brady is always healthy enough to play. This is not to say Romeo and co can't teach Jerome and he can't be much improved by the summer. You don't draft a franchise QB and then knowingly leave him out there to get smacked unless you're the Texans or somesuch. That's just how it is. I've been grumpy that some young player didn't play more because of this many times over the years. All you can do is hope Harrison learns so he can get in there. It doesn't seem that hard to get to be an OK blocker and many young RBs are at that point in year 2. It's very possible, but he won't be their 3rd down back unless he does learn.

 

[AB in DC]

I believe UDFA Jerome Jackson (Michigan) will make the team (probably taking Jason Wright's spot). I've always liked Jackson despite his sparse PT. Interesting sleeper, IMO.

So is Jason Wright now behind Harrison on the depth chart?

 

[CA_7]

There's a sense James Harrison will be a significant part of Rob Chudzinski's new offense. The running back from Washington State is a solid 212 pounds, and he had a solid preseason a year ago. But the Browns backed off him early in the season. He seems back in favor now.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/ohio/sports/footba...leveland_browns

 

[Football Jones]

I believe UDFA Jerome Jackson (Michigan) will make the team (probably taking Jason Wright's spot). I've always liked Jackson despite his sparse PT. Interesting sleeper, IMO.

So is Jason Wright now behind Harrison on the depth chart?

I believe so. Like I said before, I believe Jerome Jackson will beat out Wright for their RB3 spot. I wouldn't roster Jackson right now unless you're just taking a flyer, but he's someone to keep an eye on, IMO.

 

[chris1969]

If Lewis were to go down, Wright would take over. Harrison isn't built for a power running game.