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CLE Starting WRs - Robiskie and Massaquio (1 Viewer)

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DevilintheDetail

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Every year, WRs come out of nowhere to put up solid WR2 or WR3 numbers. Neither of Cleveland's starting WRs are being drafted in many leagues. With McCoy looking better with the new west coast offense this year, is there any upside with this duo?

 
'zamboni said:
'DevilintheDetail said:
'CentralPA said:
Greg Little :thumbup:
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Why is Little still #3? He started all preseason with Mass hurt and then went back to third string as soon as Mass was healthy. Not that promising.
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The buzz is that he's been inconsistent and dropping too many passes. If he can work out the kinks and keep his head on straight, I think there's little doubt he'll be the #1 guy there.
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Little doubt? I don't know about that. I think Mass is the #1 and will be for the duration of this season. Mass is the guy to own IMO. Great value and he should see the most targets in the offense. I think he's the best WR on the team on top of it all.
 
'zamboni said:
'DevilintheDetail said:
'CentralPA said:
Greg Little :thumbup:
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Why is Little still #3? He started all preseason with Mass hurt and then went back to third string as soon as Mass was healthy. Not that promising.
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The buzz is that he's been inconsistent and dropping too many passes. If he can work out the kinks and keep his head on straight, I think there's little doubt he'll be the #1 guy there.
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I heard that in the beginning of camp but I thought he really came on strong towards the end. Guess I have to check the training camp report again.
 
'jurb26 said:
'zamboni said:
'DevilintheDetail said:
'CentralPA said:
Greg Little :thumbup:
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Why is Little still #3? He started all preseason with Mass hurt and then went back to third string as soon as Mass was healthy. Not that promising.
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The buzz is that he's been inconsistent and dropping too many passes. If he can work out the kinks and keep his head on straight, I think there's little doubt he'll be the #1 guy there.
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Little doubt? I don't know about that. I think Mass is the #1 and will be for the duration of this season. Mass is the guy to own IMO. Great value and he should see the most targets in the offense. I think he's the best WR on the team on top of it all.
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Mass had just 2 TDs last season and less than 500 yards receiving. Greg Little while unproven has more talent, I believe he'll surpass him eventually and take over at No. 1 overall sooner or later.
 
'CentralPA said:
'jurb26 said:
'zamboni said:
'DevilintheDetail said:
'CentralPA said:
Greg Little :thumbup:
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Why is Little still #3? He started all preseason with Mass hurt and then went back to third string as soon as Mass was healthy. Not that promising.
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The buzz is that he's been inconsistent and dropping too many passes. If he can work out the kinks and keep his head on straight, I think there's little doubt he'll be the #1 guy there.
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Little doubt? I don't know about that. I think Mass is the #1 and will be for the duration of this season. Mass is the guy to own IMO. Great value and he should see the most targets in the offense. I think he's the best WR on the team on top of it all.
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Mass had just 2 TDs last season and less than 500 yards receiving. Greg Little while unproven has more talent, I believe he'll surpass him eventually and take over at No. 1 overall sooner or later.
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They were also running an offense reminiscent of the Canton Bulldogs circa 1926 last season. MoMass worked with several veteran WR's as well as with McCoy this offseason. If he hadn't gotten hurt he would be getting drafted in every league, and is a WW bargain right now. He will be the #1 all year barring injury. Expect 60-800-5 or so.
 
I like Robiskie to post a lot of 5/50 type games, not flashy but a decent bye week flex guy. MM is too up and down. Robiskie had TDs in 3 straight games to end the 2010 season IIRC.

 
Also Mo Mass's 3rd season. He has talent. 2nd round pick. Worked hard this offseason to improve on the mental side of things with various all pro wr's. New system with a 2nd year qb that is more suited to his strengths.

MoMass is the #1 option in this system. I just see upside. Little is still a rookie, a 2nd round talent at that. Sorry but I just don't see him having any value in redrafts this year.

 
'Beerguzzler said:
Also Mo Mass's 3rd season. He has talent. 2nd round pick. Worked hard this offseason to improve on the mental side of things with various all pro wr's. New system with a 2nd year qb that is more suited to his strengths. MoMass is the #1 option in this system. I just see upside. Little is still a rookie, a 2nd round talent at that. Sorry but I just don't see him having any value in redrafts this year.
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We've seen time and again that the "3rd year rule" is not very valid, and quite often neither is draft position. Mo Mass seems to have some talent, but more like an occasional big play guy. Little seems to be a head case, but also more of the *it* factor in general and in this offense.Could be wrong, but I just see Little emerging more than a Mo Mass.
 
Why did Cribbs fall off the face of the Earth? Shurmur was praising the guy in several pre-season articles, and he seemed to be on the same page as McCoy in the first two preseason games. Did the return of MoMass bring Cribbs' transition to an end?

 
'DevilintheDetail said:
Every year, WRs come out of nowhere to put up solid WR2 or WR3 numbers. Neither of Cleveland's starting WRs are being drafted in many leagues. With McCoy looking better with the new west coast offense this year, is there any upside with this duo?
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I think someone has to catch passes in Cleveland. If the man they call Colt does not fall on his face, I can see one or two receivers getting 800-850 yards receiving.I guess your decision is more based on how good you think the QB will be.
 
'Ray_T said:
'DevilintheDetail said:
Every year, WRs come out of nowhere to put up solid WR2 or WR3 numbers. Neither of Cleveland's starting WRs are being drafted in many leagues. With McCoy looking better with the new west coast offense this year, is there any upside with this duo?
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I think someone has to catch passes in Cleveland. If the man they call Colt does not fall on his face, I can see one or two receivers getting 800-850 yards receiving.I guess your decision is more based on how good you think the QB will be.
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If i recall this correctly.. Robiske came out of OSU very young(20 maybe) and needed to put some weight/muscle on.. I thought he had a 4.4 forty time as well so he seems like he would have more big play ability than MM.. Little is the wr to own in dynasty but robiske looked good the last few games of the year with mccoy under center... Little is gone in all dynasties but BR can still be picked up.. Little is/was available in most redrafts but his name has had some buzz lately which is leading to him getting pulled off the WWire..
 
Massaquoi and Hakeem Nicks were on the same high school team, with Chris Leak as the QB. Think about stopping that as a high school defense. Nobody could.

However, back on topic, I think Massaquoi is a guy to keep tabs on, and depending on the depth of your league, he could be worth a late round flyer. Time will tell.

 
'Trizzler said:
Why did Cribbs fall off the face of the Earth? Shurmur was praising the guy in several pre-season articles, and he seemed to be on the same page as McCoy in the first two preseason games. Did the return of MoMass bring Cribbs' transition to an end?
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he got hurt
 
'beerbarron said:
'Ray_T said:
'DevilintheDetail said:
Every year, WRs come out of nowhere to put up solid WR2 or WR3 numbers. Neither of Cleveland's starting WRs are being drafted in many leagues. With McCoy looking better with the new west coast offense this year, is there any upside with this duo?
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I think someone has to catch passes in Cleveland. If the man they call Colt does not fall on his face, I can see one or two receivers getting 800-850 yards receiving.I guess your decision is more based on how good you think the QB will be.
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If i recall this correctly.. Robiske came out of OSU very young(20 maybe) and needed to put some weight/muscle on.. I thought he had a 4.4 forty time as well so he seems like he would have more big play ability than MM.. Little is the wr to own in dynasty but robiske looked good the last few games of the year with mccoy under center... Little is gone in all dynasties but BR can still be picked up.. Little is/was available in most redrafts but his name has had some buzz lately which is leading to him getting pulled off the WWire..
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I don't know what Robiskie's 40 time is but he has shown no ability to get separation. If Mass and Little develop on either side, he could be a poor man's Wes Welker some day.
 
'Beerguzzler said:
Also Mo Mass's 3rd season. He has talent. 2nd round pick. Worked hard this offseason to improve on the mental side of things with various all pro wr's. New system with a 2nd year qb that is more suited to his strengths.

MoMass is the #1 option in this system. I just see upside. Little is still a rookie, a 2nd round talent at that. Sorry but I just don't see him having any value in redrafts this year.
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You make it sound like a positive for Massaquoi but a negative for Little
 
'Captain Quinoa said:
'Trizzler said:
Why did Cribbs fall off the face of the Earth? Shurmur was praising the guy in several pre-season articles, and he seemed to be on the same page as McCoy in the first two preseason games. Did the return of MoMass bring Cribbs' transition to an end?
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he got hurt
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he's healthy now and I think he will be a factor. All the reports are that he's taken to the WCO. Not sure if he'll be able to earn starter reps, but I think they will definitely use him more on offense than they have in the past. Robiskie should be the odd man out- from what I've heard he just doesn't have NFL athleticism and can't separate, only time I've seen him make a play he pushed off. Granted I don't watch all that many Browns games
 
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'Ministry of Pain said:
I like Robiskie to post a lot of 5/50 type games, not flashy but a decent bye week flex guy. MM is too up and down. Robiskie had TDs in 3 straight games to end the 2010 season IIRC.
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i tend to agree with this. i think moore, little and cribbs are the only players with upside.
 
Too much confusion in this thread...

1. The Browns have switched to the West Coast Offense. The ball is going to spread around a lot. Don't expect a clear #1 WR to emerge. Think Green Bay from last year without Greg Jennings. I would bet that Mass, Robo, Little and Moore each end up with around 5/500/4 for the year (Robo will probably have a little less). Cribbs may approach that if healthy.

2. Out of all the receivers, Robiskie has the least talent BY FAR. The guy is not athletic and relies on the scheme to get open. He's struggled throughout training camp and there was even talk about him not making the team if Norwood/Mitchell stepped up. I would stay away from him.

3. Little clearly has the most talent but is a rookie and behind on the depth chart. He's just not going to see the field as much as Massaquoi. If you're going to pick a WR for consistent production pick Mass. If you want a higher upside guy pick Little. That said, we're talking about the Cleveland Browns here... they've had barely any time to prepare for a brand new system with a new QB and a couple new WRs. These guys aren't going to light anyone up.

Give Little another year and maybe we can talk about solid fantasy production.

However, if you're talking about TEs, Moore is a pretty good sleeper. He could potentially catch a LOT of TDs if the Browns are winning games.

 
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Don't forget about Ben Watson. He led the team in receptions& yards and tied for the lead in receiving TDs last year.

 
'Captain Quinoa said:
'beerbarron said:
'Ray_T said:
'DevilintheDetail said:
Every year, WRs come out of nowhere to put up solid WR2 or WR3 numbers. Neither of Cleveland's starting WRs are being drafted in many leagues. With McCoy looking better with the new west coast offense this year, is there any upside with this duo?
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I think someone has to catch passes in Cleveland. If the man they call Colt does not fall on his face, I can see one or two receivers getting 800-850 yards receiving.I guess your decision is more based on how good you think the QB will be.
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If i recall this correctly.. Robiske came out of OSU very young(20 maybe) and needed to put some weight/muscle on.. I thought he had a 4.4 forty time as well so he seems like he would have more big play ability than MM.. Little is the wr to own in dynasty but robiske looked good the last few games of the year with mccoy under center... Little is gone in all dynasties but BR can still be picked up.. Little is/was available in most redrafts but his name has had some buzz lately which is leading to him getting pulled off the WWire..
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I don't know what Robiskie's 40 time is but he has shown no ability to get separation. If Mass and Little develop on either side, he could be a poor man's Wes Welker some day.
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I don't recall Robiskie having that impressive a 40 time either. He came out as a very polished coach's son who might be the most NFL ready WR in that draft class. But despite his high football character and good route running, he just didn't seem to impress. I think a lot of people had him pegged as a high-floor/low-ceiling type. A good role player who could be a solid but unspectacular starter, but not athletically gifted enough to make a splash in fantasy circles.
 
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'Fallerjw said:
Don't forget about Ben Watson. He led the team in receptions& yards and tied for the lead in receiving TDs last year.
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dont forget about evan moore. hes gonna have a hernandez role as a te that is actually a wr. ofc, hes a walking concussion so he proly doesnt see the field, but if he does...
 
I think we can close the door on Robiske. It's been Massaquoi and Little with Cribbs as the 3rd today. I don't remember seeing Robiske on the field at all.

 
Robiskie seems slow and I mean straight ahead slow as well as cut quickness. I do not think he can physically get open. Massaquio has terrible hands. IMO, Little is the Clev WR if you really want to own a Clev WR.

 
4. Joshua Cribbs started at receiver in place of Brian Robiskie. It was Mohamed Massaquoi, Greg Little and Cribbs who received most of the snaps. Shurmur talked about the need to "get the playmakers on the field." Those three guys were targeted with 15 passes from Colt McCoy, and they caught 12.

5. Massaquoi made a terrific catch for 28 yards, putting the ball on the Colts' 1 late in the first half, with Peyton Hillis eventually scoring. Greg Little caught four of five balls tossed in his direction, and Cribbs was 3-of-3. No significant drops for the receivers.

6. For those who thought Cribbs' decline in production in 2010 was because his reworked contract tempered his drive, his explosive start to this season validates what Cribbs said a year ago -- he was playing with a significant foot injury. He's averaging 13.8 yards per punt return, 34.2 per kickoff. His longest kickoff return in 2010 was 37 yards, and he's had two for more than 50 yards already. His longest 2010 punt return was 17 yards. He had a 43-yarder Sunday and a 21-yarder last week.
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http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/blog/index.ssf/2011/09/terry_plutos_pregame_scribbles_30.htmlI wouldn't snooze on Cribbs in deeper leagues

 
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